| IVOD_ID |
16601 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16601 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T08:31:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T11:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:24:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eae79a2056330309a2bdae56b7a60aa52c4af80a8cb003b9ba587f1432db4a5fa55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:07 - 11:56:00 |
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好 我們開始開會 請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員14人 已足法定人數好 我們現在開始開會進行報告事項 請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第三會期內政委員會第十次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年4月16日星期三上午九時四分至十一時十九分 地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人 列席委員林德福委員等16人 |
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列席官員、客家委員會主任委員古秀菲及相關人員、財團法人、客家公共傳播基金會董事長陳邦整及相關人員、客家電視台台長向聖岩、主席張昭吉委員洪璐。報告事項,宣讀上次會議議事錄決定、確定。二、邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人、客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務該況並備質詢。 |
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好 請問各位委員 上次會議事務有無錯誤或遺漏 |
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好那意思如確定那我們繼續進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況並被質詢宣讀完畢好我們現在介紹在場委員及列席官員張志倫委員黃婕委員 |
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王美惠委員來囉,徐欣怡委員海委會主委管碧玲管主委海巡署副署長張忠榮海洋保育署署長陸曉雲國家海洋研究院副院長李寶欽 |
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好那現在進行詢問 委員諮詢前原例做幾...為了趕時間 因為今天跟司法聯席請海洋委員會 我們管組委員報告 |
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各位委員 各位同仁 各位媒體朋友 大家早安今天應邀列席大院內政委員會就主管業務提出報告並被質詢 倍感榮幸敬請委員給予指教賴總統113年國慶演說提到要強化台灣的韌性應對極端氣候風險邁向全球2050年淨零轉型的目標 |
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所以我们也正遵循行政院所定的国家希望工程的施政目标跟工作重点加速各项海洋事务让国家更安全让台湾航向世界也让世界拥抱台湾那么在今年1月22日我们向国人报告113年海洋治理的四大突破当中我们说明包含了毒品枪弹阻拦倍增 |
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海洋保育法通过海洋污染防治基金成立以及海洋平权大步向前走除了这四大突破以外我们也首度颁发了海洋文化奖携手地方政府办理海洋素养教育国家传媒实验室动土 |
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海洋调查船动工以及明定每年11月8日为海巡节张选海巡人员的无私奉献在面对三个墙台侵台造成十余艘民间船只的搁浅我们迅速动员紧急应变尽可能减少对环境的冲击另外也持续落实三岸四海的责任让台湾成为更安全更有韧性的海洋国家 |
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感謝各位委員的指導與支持以下請就本會近期的重要業務推展跟未來的施政重點則要提出報告首先在堅守三岸捍衛國土的部分我們113年期間應對了4次中國大陸的軍演其中同時發現小目標偷渡都有棄貨 |
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但是我们也及时的期货了这小目标的偷渡保卫了国家的安全我们完成了三次远洋巡护任务执行26艘次的公海登舰我们于台日及台飞的海域各派遣128及134航次编排东沙巡护65 |
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南沙巡护31航次驱离违法越界的陆船1671艘次扣留20艘另外接获电信海岸损坏的通报提升层级以国安程序处理我们其中洪泰58切断海岸案 |
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司法机关业余起诉有关于海域治安的部分我们弃货枪支60支枪弹1647颗各级的毒品10532公斤包括昨天都还有新的毒品被弃货那么农渔蓄产品341,001公斤屍灸136公升以及活体动物达2942支并查获偷渡犯73人 |
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另外我们也调高了偷渡贩的检举奖金有关入籍的偷渡贩每年检举奖金我们调高为每名五万元有关于本国跟外国籍的话每名是一万元从113年迄今也没有越界盗杀的情势了 |
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有关于保障国人平安的部分以及油气安全提升的部分我们优化了GoOcean的APP我们投入了3620万元支持32项计划来推动智慧海滩的管理我们并且设立了免费救生仪的借用站执行了救生469人及救难449人有关于守护污染有关于防治污染提升应处能量的部分 |
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我们现地查核了22处的猎管事业传播646艘次而且充实了10处应变资产的仓库我们总共实兵训练了27个场次扩大稽查猎管事业与港口的污染达3913件次 |
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我们也设置了牡蛎养殖区的海域水质自动监测站两处 |
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并且本年还会再加码补助试做那么有关于海费治理的部分我们补助地方政府办理回收渔网及保利龙累计回收344.04公吨其中有247.5公吨有拿来做海费的再利用我们并且强化海费再生联盟的体质累计成长到了66家开发海费高质化的产品达56种 |
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为了完善科学的佐证在生态保护的部分我们执行了七大类物种的监测调查推估大约有3.6万只的智归孵化 |
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我们在救援搁浅的鲸豚的部分达208只以及海龟440只审查野生动物的输出入申请案达938件开放友善钓鱼的钓点开放158处我们也结合了20家潜水业者认养了40处的珊瑚礁的棲地 |
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我們為了要推動海洋保育的ESG我們成立了海洋保育的ESG的媒合平台而且上市上櫃永續發展15守則也已經納入了海洋ESG作為公司評鑑的範例這是一個很大的突破我們多館旗下的也在探索海洋 |
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国家海洋科技营运中心的设置条例草案宋大院今天也在司法法治委员会联席会议当中审议之中行政院核定我们海洋污染防治基金收支管理及运用办法了之后我们也已经开了第一次的管理会另外我们也发布了海洋污染防治的白皮书在各项工作当中的国际合作海洋科学研究的部分 |
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我们也跟印度的地球科学部合作跟所属的机构共同的签署MOU并且把国际的OSS教材入校教学总共我们补助了五个地方政府来办理有5621位师生来参与鼓励文化振兴的部分以及推动其他的国际合作的部分还有组织编制的精实以及建立友善职场的部分 |
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请委员参阅书面资料在自弹期间也都有新的成效出现至于未来施政的重点仅仅要说明我们未来的方向 |
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未來手中推動的還是我們必須因為是在國家船舶實驗室以及調查船已經在興建的過程當中所以有關於我們的科技營運的中心的這個行政法人今天在司法法治委員會 |
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審議的這個條例對我們下個階段的工作目標來講至關重要因為相關的公共建設都已經在進行的過程當中這個行政法人必須要趕快的能夠訓練跟禁用專業的人才來進行相關的工作的進行相當的重要所以這個將會是我們下個階段工作當中非常重要的一個重點 |
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另外在科技服勤强化执法的能量能够保护我们的国安治安与平安的部分为社会舆论非常重视的一块因此我们也在推动海空一体精锐海巡的中长城计划的审议过程当中这也是我们下个阶段这个海空一体的中长城计划的审议将也是我们下一个阶段推动工作当中的重中之重也都持续的在进行相关的会议的审议 |
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另外有关于民间的力量的投入然后共同的来保护海洋的这个部分也将会是下个阶段的工作重点所以海洋保育的ESG我们有了媒合的平台以后接下来的挑战是我们必须去媒合出更多能够投入海洋保育的民间的企业民间的力量共同的来参与总之展望未来我们会聚焦在以科学为基础的生态保育 |
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兼顾灾防及国安的海洋科研以及海空一体的精锐海巡三大施政方向容我再重复一遍这三大施政的方向将是以科学为基础的生态保育兼顾灾防及国安的海洋科研 |
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以及海空一体的精锐海巡这三大施政方向将是我们下个阶段要全力推动的主要的方向以上简要的报告再次感谢委员对于本会的爱护跟指导敬请指教 |
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好 我們現在進行詢答 委員諮詢前原力做幾點宣告每位委員發言時間 本會議員5加2然後非本會議員5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記那今天就不處理臨時提案各位有沒有什麼意見沒有好 那我們請登記第一位的張志倫委員 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早是有請那個海委會管閉營主委好請管主委 |
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委員好主委好主委辛苦了首先本席在這邊也代表立法院代表我自己非常感謝我們這個海委會海巡同仁的辛苦跟辛勞那依據這個海委會今天的業務報告第二頁中國大陸的公務船舶軍艦常態性的在我國台灣的周邊海域活動頻繁的進行軍演以及灰色地帶的行動那本席想要請教這個主委的部分 |
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現在就最近的新聞顯示這個大陸的這個不管是軍艦或是船舶基本上都有靠近我們臺灣的這個海域的24海里那我想要請教我們海巡海委會這邊的想法是說現在是不是很多的這個軍艦都會靠著我們的24海里這邊周邊來去做海警船海警船海警船海警船然後那是不是有些漁船船舶會進到我們的24海里 |
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我們都在驅離,去年驅離1600多艘次是,那我的意思是說他們現在除了這樣子類似有點軍事演習跟這些公務的傳播的巡弋以外是不是還有在做其他的灰色地帶的形式的 |
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謝謝委員跟委員報告除了軍演以外那另外就是平常除了海警船其實各類的公務船也都有襲擾的行動包括他們的海事的船舶另外是科研船尤其是科研船的評次也非常的高甚至於有一些比較機敏的拖船那另外跟委員報告我們也掌握了某種程度也掌握了他們的民兵船的活動 |
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所以我們對於這些船舶的掌握其實是非常的複雜非常的龐雜那另外就是說我們目前高度密駐的高度密駐的是小目標的偷渡的背後因為他們幾乎就是一個模組了 |
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所以小目標的偷渡尤其是高度的扣合者軍演每一次的軍演過去的4次的軍演每一次的軍演在當天的早上或者是前一天的晚上等等都有小目標的偷渡進來所以那個高度的扣合我們也在密注 |
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主委現在也講到我剛剛下一個問題所以現在不管大陸的灰色地帶行動其實我認為海巡跟海委會其實很認真不管在情報蒐集巡邏部署跟跨部會協調部分都非常的辛苦那我請教這個主委的部分那我們現在 |
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面臨到這樣的情況我們有沒有想說如何加強跟其他國家比如說日本或美國在我們台灣的海域安全方面的共同的合作共同來因應現在目前大陸在我們台灣海域這樣的擴張行為 |
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跟委員報告我們跟周邊國家確實有很多多邊的合作那這些多邊的合作就是容我請委員諒解就是說我們會跟委員的辦公室來做公開我們可能就不適合原則上就是說整個印太地區共同的利益這個區域的和平是大家共同的利益另外我們也非常的加重在 |
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人民的福祉的創造也就是救生救難方面所以無論是國家安全或者是人民的保障這個部分我們都有多邊的合作是好那我請教主委最近一個新聞我相信也是很多人所關注的就是有個新聞是說因為現在很多大陸相關的一些擴張行為包含有大陸的漁船或會掛台灣的這個這個AIS就是識別的系統來去讓這個 |
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我們的海巡比較難去做一些的識別那剛剛您在報告的時候我好像有聽到不知道是不是您口誤那是不是有台灣的漁船會掛中國的AIS那它的目的為何這個是我剛有聽到這一段是我不知道沒有寫在報告裡面是是真的嗎 |
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這是一個事實,我們確實是有查獲到台灣的漁船掛中國船舶的假名他的目的為何?應該是在大陸的海域捕魚,或許對他們來講有所方便 |
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但是我們現在遇到的困擾是說相關於就是在AIS上面的引力或者是這個詐騙吧它的這種訛詐就是在使用AIS上面的訛詐這個部分我們還必須去修傳播法才會有罰則我瞭解 所以現在是無法可管的部分嗎 |
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呃我們在在相關的管理上面我們當然會有指引會有各種的管理齁但是罰則的部分我們還需要再再再修好那這邊我也希望主委我們盡快提出相關的呃這個是屬於交通部門所以我們跟航港局已經有表達而且雙方也都有有過會議在討論那草案也已經有了目前在呃行政院內部的審議程序之中好謝謝主委修傳播法 |
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好 那希望說這個相關如果有這樣的情況我相信也是勿往勿中應該有相關的法令來處理這樣的事情那再接下來我請教就是其實我們非常關心海巡這個相關弟兄他們的裝備那之前殿察院的調查報告有顯示這個海巡署在之前我們講的比如說驚嚇事件或無人機的採購上有一些採購跟使用上的一個缺失 |
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那我想請教現在主委的部分就我所了解之前像這個驚嚇事件的密錄器之前有一些說 |
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密錄器不足的用手持的一些部分的問題好像已經有改善蠻多的那我想要請教接下來就是說因為海巡的人員非常辛苦所以未來執勤的部分可能會使用類似無人機的一些的方式來去增強這個海巡人員在執勤上面的一些方便性那可是之前的新聞有顯示說有些無人機的部分好像採購的部分其實是沒有辦法因應我們這個台灣海域的有些東北季風的所謂的影響 |
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所以造成我們的一些無人機的一些損傷的部分那我想要請教主委針對無人機不管是在使用人員有沒有人可以操作跟我們現在無人機的一些整個品質的方面有沒有一些精進的報告或是你們現在做的情況為如何或者說你們未來有沒有考慮要擴大無人機的使用範圍 |
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增加空中的量能是下個階段海巡發展也是一個重點我剛剛有報告海空一體的中長期計畫裡面確實我們會希望能夠部署無人機過去海巡算是我們國家政府的內部最早採用導入無人機科技的一個機關 |
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所以它在導入的初期都是第一階段的嘗試因此監察院當時對我們會有一些糾正是因為大家都是初期的經驗這是第一點第二點就是無人機基本上它分很多種類型那其中耐浪性比較不足的這一些的類型呢我們目前當然也有那現在有沒有統整就是說我記得我們現在海巡大概只有幾台的無人機 |
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20台無人機嘛那現在有沒有幾台也沒有統整出來說哪一些是不耐這些強風的哪一些未來還要再繼續就是還可以耐強風可以來支持未來我們會增加不同形態不同型形態的機型好那就拜託說看說會後是不是可以提供個報告讓我們委員知道說我們現在無人機未來在海巡的這些發展上我們會希望我們 |
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因為中長堤計畫還沒有被核定所以我們大概就是一個蓋瓜的方向好不好好那最後一個問題實際的關係那其實最重要的就是海委會跟海巡對我們台灣的這個沿岸的防治機制有沒有一些具體的改善措施因為大家最近都知道看到新聞說大陸這個漁船有越界捕魚的情況甚至這個有海警船在我們金門海域活動那我覺得讓這個我們 |
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台灣人民感覺到之前最震驚的一個新聞事件就是有這個中國籍的男子闖入淡水港的事件那當時是就新聞報導所述就是說因為當時沒有就是說有發現可是不知道這個船是大陸的漁船然後讓這個男子中國籍男子有闖入我們淡水港的事件那後續整個 |
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我目前看到新聞還有跟海委會所詢問好像這個的防堵機制有沒有一個更完整的一些防堵機制是不是可以諸位各位報告就是說淡水河是人為的疏失但是那個疏失是出在那個判斷 |
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就是以當時是白天然後直衝而入然後他們從這個整個判斷上把它判斷成是我們的漁船回來沒錯沒錯所以就是說判斷的問題嘛但是有的部分呢它是因為裝備設備的不足但是跟我們報告我剛有報告過你看我們四次軍演四次軍演每天每一次的軍演配合的小目標偷渡我們都抓到那其實很多抓到的並沒有揭露出來 |
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那基本上我們海巡在這個部分的防守是值得人民信賴主委我想要說的是過去從人為判斷有沒有改變的一些方式是不是可以在這邊稍微跟民眾說明一下第一個我們在岸際我們在岸際的監測的部分我們有加強未來也會更加強那未來加強的部分會需要一點時間但是單獨的個別的熱點的加強的部分我們陸續有在做會比較快 |
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好 謝謝主委 那大家辛苦了 謝謝好 我們請蘇喬惠委員好 謝謝主席 我們請管主委好 請主委 |
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主委剛剛您在進入會場的時候議場的時候其實我看到有非常多的媒體記者都在追著你詢問現在大家很關心的這個我們的這個海巡弟兄啊或者上次有說要進行大規模的這個調查了解狀況以後看看部隊裡面是不是也有人有這個中國拘留證的問題你有一個方回答我想請主委在備詢台上是不是正式的跟我們說明一下調查的如何 |
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後續要怎麼處理好 各位也說明就是說定居證是沒有沒有定居證的沒有定居證所以剛剛說沒有剛剛跟媒體說沒有是定居證沒有那居住證有三位護照也沒有所以護照定居證都沒有但是有三位那這三位你怎麼處置三位是在我們招募之前取得的那已經依法全部都註銷了那會涉及到機敏的業務嗎 |
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目前他們沒有都沒有嗎我想是這樣國安的問題是絕對不容跨線的所以它在方方面面的處置上面其實我們都要非常的注意這個是我想政府一體大家都是應該要注意的各單位都應該注意 |
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所以我今天除了剛剛要再讓您說得更清楚一點的這個拘留證的問題之外我也想來談談最近大家討論很多的海底電纜都被破壞 頻頻被破壞的這個部分我想先請問主委主委你知道我們這個台灣周圍很依賴在海底電纜嘛那海底電纜有分通信電纜跟電力電纜兩種我們的通信電纜在有多少 |
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我們有國際的14條 國內的也有10條 有這麼多的電纜那最近發生的電纜被破壞的事件大概有多少嗎 |
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呃 數字大概是今年是30年 電力也有一件喔電力有一件對 我沒有要抽考你這種問答題 備答附送的啦資料都在這裡我們是跟速發部調出來的資料速發部給我們的資料是從2021年迄今有三十幾件啦有三十幾件這樣子的狀況喔而且我問他說為什麼沒有2021年之前的我猜想喔 我自己猜想的 |
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是也許是在2021年之前沒有這麼頻繁發生的狀況所以某程度我們是不是也可以覺得這種發生的頻率已經開始有電纜被破壞的常態化的狀況呢這個數字是速發布給我們的而且我們可以看到每一次這個電纜如果是壞掉的話平均的修復大概就是要2000萬左右那修復的時間還沒有辦法確定 |
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所以可以看得出來這其實是一個很嚴重的狀況主委你應該了解這個電纜被破壞的狀況嘛而且這個破壞的電纜還是我們請署長回答也可以看哪一個單位就是這個被破壞的狀況看起來都大概是什麼樣的原因發生的 |
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有第一個有自然的斷裂第二個有也其實也有些案例是漁船意外那我們晚進比較高度密駐的是有一些權宜輪是不是故意那以這一次虹太來講那檢察官初步調查的結果是認為說是有故意我們也認為說我們長達三天監控他然後這中間誰去監控他我們海巡 |
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是海巡嘛好那我其實這就是今天我最重要的問題我們可以看到這個通信電纜是重要的它的破壞頻率在增高而且破壞的看起來大部分是中國的抽砂船中國的漁船還有當然有其他商船自燃的這樣的狀況 |
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好 那處理的人是誰第一線處理的都是海巡單位可是這些電纜的主管單位是誰呢這些主管單位我看得出我去調查了一下主管單位海底電纜因為是電信業所以它屬於通船會處理的然後因為海底電纜又是關鍵基礎設施所以其實又歸速發部管那這些船來破壞海底電纜的船是誰呢因為船的出入是屬於交通部航管局所以所有的主管機關都是別人 |
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可是去第一線處理的是誰是海巡啊我想請署長或者是主委你可不可以跟我們分享一下你們在實務上你們不是主管機關但是卻是第一線的主管單位你們會不會有困難會不會有什麼辛苦在這裡讓你有時間說明一下 |
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跟委員報告 因此就會有一些狀況是非常需要進一步去做跨部會的合作的譬如說晚進的兩艘船所造成的斷纜事件來講的話那前面的順興99跟後面的宏泰168 |
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兩艘船的處理程序就不一樣那前面的順興其實他是願意配合我們進港所以他從當天我們抓到他以後他一直配合我們等著要進港就等到第二天的早上他說他們沒辦法再等了 |
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那這個時候就是跨部會的程序在當時因為它是解編了我們的海底電纜曾經解編成為非關鍵基礎設施所以那個時候它還不是關鍵基礎設施所以它因為一般的程序所以它進港就有困難 |
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在這種情況之下所以經過這個事件以後我們就把它恢復為關鍵基礎設施我沒有反對它是關鍵基礎設施我只是本來要借用這個單位借用這個時間邀請主委主委剛剛已經講了在法規管理上面的困難張署長我也想請你分享一下你第一線地修會不會有什麼問題吃苦耐勞真的很辛苦 |
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署長我寫寶貴的時間給你要不要分享一下特別跟委員報告那我們對於海域的監控部門我們還允許適用我們的雷達包括跟友軍的聯合勤監的部門那對於在自由在海岸區域的這些船舶我們會去監控它另外重要的 |
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畢竟對於海嵐部分它有一個告警的設施那我們根據這個部分我們去第一個時間點我們發現可疑滯留或者是有可能是這個權益輪波我們就會派艦去處理第一時間就會處理所以我們第一時間我們會主動發現可疑我們就去處理這是本於你們權責嘛在海疆上面發現狀況你們就會過去可是過去了以後要處理的時候你的權你的責 |
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清楚嗎你有辦法處理嗎你的困難在哪裡這個部分就是說如果是我們覺得有犯罪可疑我們會去處理第一個部分如果沒有犯罪可疑他在那個區域我們先處理告警然後通知航港單位做航空管理先廣播那如果不行的話我們的海巡署的艦船也會去做相關的處理跟所有的勤務作為 |
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謝謝署長啦我想這個行行都有專業啦因為我在3月的時候也跟海委會跟海巡署這邊討論過我們辦公室有來討論過所以在海上執法是櫃會的專業那定立法地修正法令應該是我們立法委員應該要盡的職責我發現有幾個部分啦齁這個其實我們討論過嘛現在海巡署在執法的時候的困難 |
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應該是可以有比如說船隻定位系統GIS為常態且為正確的開發目前無法則導致可以船隻抓不勝抓那我覺得這個就可以討論了嘛然後電信管理法的72條所稱未遂犯定義不明什麼是未遂犯這個部分應該要讓海巡署可以 |
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有清楚的定義讓你們執法能夠順暢也不會遭到這種抗拒等等然後再來現行的處罰沒有包括船隻禁止再進入有國海域扣押或沒入等樣態船隻常常遭到驅離之後又再繞回來防不勝防 |
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我想這幾個都是海巡弟兄其實在實務執行上面會發生的狀況所以我非常同意也期待主委因為主委你的經驗和高度其實很可以跨部會剛剛說的這部分我是認為其實應該在進行修法的部分海巡組的弟兄當然裝備要有要錢給錢 要人給人我總是這樣講所以剛剛聽到裝備 |
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要增裝備 我就想到我們的預算被煽動這麼多實在是還要說要裝裝備 這實在是很辛苦不過我覺得法規要能夠明確讓各位有權才能夠請他們負責 我覺得這也是必要的啦謝謝委員關心 剛剛委員真的是真知灼見譬如說剛剛提到AIS沒有罰則的部分那我們海巡就去跟港港局聯絡 希望他們去修傳播法 |
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那另外譬如說前天之所以被判決沒入的那個抽砂船也是我們去請委員替我們修法所以呢那個船舶最後沒入才會被判決定這樣子 |
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那我是希望主委把這些相關的法條其實是可以請這個在會後給我們一份報告讓整個委員會一起來為您做支持就是說以電力來講的話現在電力的纜線斷掉它的法則跟電信就不一樣我們要修電業法才能夠對齊這個也是我們也有在溝通好那請提供資料給委員會謝謝好請回答我們委員 |
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主席 我們請主委請主委主委好主委 剛才我聽到蘇貿委員有跟你談到我們裡面有說在裡面 |
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之前在10月本席有跟你提起說,我們裡面的人可能有問題跟你說你的手中,還有那個茶,還有碗,他們知道他們自己的不對 |
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出來主修,因為我認為海巡署是對一個國家的重要性,裡面如果有插隊,不應該插隊的人,是非常嚴重。主委是不是剛才所說的,裡面中國的新聞局, |
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這是有三個基礎症 基礎症那現在要怎麼處理他已經取消了 跟委員報告他已經在海巡陣場拿到的中國就很方便 幫我們補助補助的 給我們一些優惠叫我們去申請 我們沒有金錢嘛所以他是在海巡陣場他拿到的我們現在調查的時候 後來都委員已經取消了 |
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這樣就是表示主委我們裡面的人他沒有做機密的工作喔 他沒有做機密的工作因為我們那麼煩惱的就是我們那麼煩惱的就是剛才委員關心的洩密的共諜那個部分我也是很憂心的因為是怎樣呢 當國防部宣佈說他們裡面有60多個人是有中國的新聞證的 |
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這是非常嚴重所以我覺得每一個單位我們都要重視去注意尤其現在港鐵在中華民國的台灣以前我們常常會想說國會在你身邊我們都會想說不然大家又要反攻大陸他們的家也不敢來回家但是現在就是有理應外合 |
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有很多問題出在於我們中華民國的台灣尤其在台灣 |
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是很恐怖的,所以說主委,他這次你說要補充什麼,因為我看你的看資料,來這是有關那個工地的部分,現在有案件嘛,有的案件是已經有在判刑的階段,還沒定案,有的案件是要在偵查的中間,還沒起訴 |
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但是對我們來說,我們看到這個政案已經判刑確定的,那是很嚴重的那很嚴重,去人頭錢嘛我有說過,我手頭都很嚴重,因為大家檢舉後手頭有責任嘛,我們都一直在對著因為主委,我們尊重使喚啦,不然判出來的時候,我們都認為他沒有罪啦 |
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但是看出來的時候你看到他們的惡質真的對到台灣這個海巡的 |
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整個的規定,我們非常擔心他用這個金錢,那個養豬是超級的不符合比例的養豬在引誘非常非常重金在引誘你拿一張名片可以兩萬塊、一萬塊你如果說拿我 |
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找一個人 我就給你五十萬 這件事實在是很惡劣很惡劣的那前面的地盤 我也覺得很奇怪為什麼在地下之爭 都知道什麼人騙錢 主動來在觸摸所以我說理性外合就是這樣 裡面的人知道什麼人騙錢 |
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又去補給他來接受來處理啦所以我覺得你們要先去注意啦不是說實話這樣做說實話也對一個國家非常 |
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所以我們在第一線在面對中國我有一個很深的感受我是認為像我們在海上保護國家在拚命我們都很希望社會給我們很大的力量給我們支持變成一種無形的國防所以我們團結如果中國做不對的時候不要反倒在賣我們的生活如果中國做不對就是團結我們要有一個力量去對抗中國 |
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不要鼓勵我們台灣害損的人你還說香港要賣台灣人賣這裡的害損工作你還不好啦這是我最大的惡質啦譬如說我害損有共諜我是小孩啊 |
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做不對的就是中國啊你這樣把我們滲透啊所以這時候如果有說到我要叫我們的總統陸大臣我在海運委員會我這樣在看我實在是覺得很痛心絕對是不對的風險嘛你如果用這種流量專民團結來說給中國聽大家也去中國跟他們的關係也都不錯的時候趕在他們的面前跟他們說這裡是有的沒有有啦所以說喔主委你直接說嘛 |
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中華民國,台灣的百姓,看清人的名字,什麼人敢去告台灣這塊土地的啦?我們有說過去有的,你還要去替別人騙自己的人,這是非常不應該啦!主委,你剛才說痛心,心肝乾脆,你還要那麼乾脆,因為今年的疫情,對你來說是非常挑戰! |
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因為在這裏我相信每一個人有去關心我們的綜藝生都有去瞭解因為大家想想久久一般的那些說跟你們的綜藝生增加五十幾億跟你們是要看什麼還是什麼但是在本席看起來跟你們提供好關的我們讓你們做的資料看 |
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我們最擔憂的就是海巡執行的設備裡面,主要是高原管那這樣你聽到有發動他們的裝備,去處理就好 |
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因為我覺得這裏面有很多啦 跟我們接觸的時間也不夠啦就算那裏面有兩隻船你要交集 你也沒辦法交如果沒辦法交的話 這兩隻船會放在海邊好營運啦沒有辦法去保護台灣啦 |
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我們當然是希望我不要再糾纏,你尊重要好好的,有好的錢給我們補貨你又沒有錢給人家,怎麼讓你補貨不是說我去買豬肉給你寫,不要再給我們寫本來是年底要糾纏,這兩隻其實也算大錢 |
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我們就沒辦法 那個設備呢?設備是這樣 設備實在是小名的 委員當然啦 這是顧到愛心船 它會保護全台灣中華民國的安全 |
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所以我一定要替他報他要買防彈背心他要買短武器所以我一定要替他報他如果我說我不是你選擇我跟你同情你又要怎麼講主委他這個有台有台喔有台之後我就必須替他報所以替他報 替他報到最後就是兩下子沒辦法了 |
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這兩層說實在很好笑的因為我覺得長久以來都為了國家的保護你一層做好了可以高的選擇你覺得沒有這個議程之后我們連江縣沒有跟議程做新聞那是配偶的議員在議會這層配偶的副管理員還是管理員叫他要去跟我們問因為我們連江縣一層軍在那裡驅離 |
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一大早以後,居民都會很高興連一大早做的事,就要配合議員去勞軍每一大早其實都要去勞軍這時候有時候我們的時間比較不充足拜託你給我一個宿命 |
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尤其這兩天我們沒有預算的時候 未來要怎麼樣?還有這個蝦皮糕要怎麼樣?要怎麼樣?以上好 謝謝好 我們請黃建民委員好 謝謝主席 我們有請海委會管主委好 請主委 |
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主委早 主委今天是海委會的業務報告本席看完了海委會的報告之後想要針對一個議題跟主委來聊聊因為這是最近台中鄉親非常關心的一個議題在我們海委會的報告裡面有提到一個業務就是落實離岸風場生態影響評估我們目標就是要確保離岸風場開發對於生態環境的影響降至最低 |
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那113年我們監管了四座離岸風電水下基礎工程包括雲林台電二起海龍二號三號風場並且與我們的環境部來合作進行七次的這個稽查包括五次的陸域檢查跟兩次的海岸海域巡查 |
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那由此可見我們對發展離岸風電跟生態之間的保護海委會尤其是海保署扮演的非常非常重要關鍵的角色在海保署的官網上面我們也特別提到為了海洋保育以及資源的永續利用海保署積極的參與各項各機關海洋保育案件的審查跟這個審議 |
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那就我們海域生態跟海域水質等提供相關的意見並且依照我們這個環境評估法環境影響評估法裡面參與的這個委員會專案小組會議還有環境監督會議參與離岸風力發電的相關的這個審議 |
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那為什麼不是這個地方說的這個事情我們特別挑這件事因為最近有風電的業者講在台東的海岸線設置大型的風電機那這件事情其實引起我們當地居民很大的爭議本是要強調雖然他們目前規劃的是陸域的風電但是他的業務就在我們台東的海岸線電管所以因此跟我們這個海洋保育息息相關我們還是要關注 |
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是相信像主委你也非常清楚我們台東海岸線可以說全國是全國最美的海岸線那還有會其實這幾年其實也投入很多在做海洋保育這一塊在台東那我想尤其我們整個海岸線的這海洋生態資源非常的豐富台東可以說是面對太平洋的最前線 |
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因此這個緊鄰海岸的這個風電不僅是對居民會造成影響我相信它還對沿海的生態會造成衝擊那尤其這個開發業者他預計是要在台東的海岸線設置將近60座由南到北將近60座的這個風力發電機我想這一旦生育下去我們台東這最美麗的海藏可能就不復存在我想台東也會斷送台灣也會斷送一處這個文明國際的這個風景 |
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那關於我們目前業者在台東的這個陸域封建的規劃案負責審查的機關是主要是經濟部跟環境部啦那本期其實在立法院也不斷地強表達地方的心聲那我們堅決不同意未經共識的開發案破壞我們的環境而且要求主管機關要嚴格來審查我們目前已經有陸續獲得經濟部長跟環境部長的這個 |
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表態就是他不支持陸域風電在我們東海岸的推動那根據我們經濟部能源局過去委託台灣地區風力潛能分佈模擬分析的結果我們台灣主要的風力潛能蘊藏區除了澎湖的離島之外主要分佈還是在西部的這個沿海地區這是它邊國的部分那一直對於我們東部的鄉親來講我們很難想像有一天風電會進駐在 |
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台東可能要發展這個風電那這個對當地的環境恐怕也會造成很大的這個影響不過我想除了這一次台東的風電事件之外其實在2020年的時候也有曾經業者討論在台灣的這個東北部的這個外海就是北 外海的北方的這個三個島嶼設置風電廠會引起那個疑難的漁民很強烈的抗議我想這些案例都 |
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看到就是代表這些風電業者已經目標將這個方向轉到東部來規劃雖然說我們海委會主管的是離岸風電我們這邊也想要請教管主委我身為我國海洋保育的主管機關的首長 |
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那針對未來無分市離岸風電或者是陸域風電的開發案若是在我們全國最美麗的台東的海岸線來進行或者是會可能影響到我們珍貴的海洋生態是不是會堅持 堅守我們主管機關的權責積極的傾聽我們在地的聲音 |
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這沒有經過共識的開放破壞環境我想也在環評的過程裡面積極的扮演這個監督的這個功能一起來守護我們台東的海洋資源這部分想要請主委來表態一下跟委員報告分三個部分第一個部分是我們今年度對台東縣政府在海洋保育方面的補助大概是1700萬 |
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1716萬那這個是第一另外就是說我們有在地守護的計畫有在地守護團隊的話那他們依在地的聲音在地的守護的團隊如果有出來提案我們也會扶植他們所以在台東也有在地守護的團隊在 |
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那他主要是做那個資源調查好那那另外就是說我們對於這個案其實海保署陸署長他也已經有關注到雖然他是陸域的案但是他有在關注好那我們會積極主動的關注那我想環境部也部長也有對對這個案表達他基本的態度好那基本上就如同我在報告中所說 |
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我們會建立以科學為基礎的生態保育所以在科學為基礎的話很重要就是要調查所以在調查的這個部分我們會主動的來關注我會主動的來做謝謝主委 |
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這個問題讓台東人很驚訝就是說這整個生態會造成很大的影響那我想我們一起來守護我們整個海洋資源也守護我們東部美麗的海岸線那謝謝主委這邊的謝謝主委謝謝主委謝謝主席好 謝謝黃建民委員再來我們請張宏祿召委 |
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那我請主委跟那個副署長我請主委跟署長請主委跟署長 |
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主委跟署長其實剛剛很多人都在講我們的海嵐被斷的事情其實衍生出來問題我們的球場幾乎都反而我們要賠錢才對吧這個署長可以回答我們是不是幾乎都要賠錢我請署長回答我們過去只有兩個案成功 |
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對請署長回答這邊跟委員報告我們從開始有海瀾被破壞以後我們有兩件事酋長成功那你只救你的這個部分就好了那個什麼電纜的修復那個是他們的事情齁那是中華電信機啊救我們的救我們的 |
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那個跟委員報告因為我們要投注在防制海濫這個安全的部分我們投注很多心力那我們那我們現在就是說海濫部分第一個部分就是我們除了要關注在周邊航行的船舶以外我們還要派很多勤務去做船舶便士這個是等下我跟你講船被扣押的時候船舶的停泊費誰出啊 |
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呃之前是就是我們處理機關來處理我們處理但是後來1月6號以後還有會有開過跨部會會議那這個部分只要是犯罪證據明確的話是全部由中華電信跟韓港局來處理啊再來人員勒 |
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他上面這個犯罪的所有人員船長什麼這些呢?這個全部都是由中央電信跟航港局來處理後續的是由他們包括他們的這個所有的站面的補給啊這些由代理行他們的全部來處理這個賽上次1月6號開的快播已經協調了 |
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所以現在都他們嘛是那再來如果船隻扣押之後呢那個拍賣的錢現在是歸我們還是歸拍賣就歸國庫他是由法院來拍賣對不對這個是中華電信這個海嵐這個事情嘛現在是這樣但從以前到現在我們只要扣押了船 |
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幾乎我們都賠錢比較多吧對有沒有賺錢過的因為像桌上停泊費、保管這些全部我們很清楚在處理我知道啦我們是不是都賠錢比較多是都賠錢比較多嘛那再來他的人員呢他的犯法的人員呢可能關一關也就走了吧 |
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這個部分就是法院判決如果是他是有罪的話就會判處徒刑那在台灣就會服完刑期以後由透過陸委會方式跟移民署方式來遣返 |
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對啦 就是廣完就走了嘛 對不對剛剛也有委員說啊 就很多的問題啊希望我們啊 這個海委會啊能夠把它整理出來我們該修法的就修法像這種的我跟你講 尤其對惡劣的對我們的對岸惡劣的這種的因為我們 |
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如果修法然後要求他有一些賠償或什麼的或更多的責任我覺得才會嚇阻啦不然我跟你講反正喔他來都是有目的的啦他拿到的代價比他被關的還多啦每個人都會繼續來啦那我們如果台灣不修法這個問題沒有辦法解決啦不知道主委你的看法 |
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謝謝委員馬上就可以提的就是說那我就比照抽砂船啊抽砂船現在我們經過修法也是很感謝委員們的支持之後呢第一個我船就可以沒入了所以前天就判決了沒入發回更審然後沒入第二個我還可以同時給他病科這個罰金 |
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所以如果我們把它修在電業法是電力的嘛輸配電的然後電信那個電信管理法是是這個海嵐的斷纜的船嘛目前沒有目前沒有這個這個條款那確實是可以可以修目前是只有刑責但是船的沒入啊罰金等等這些我們可以來修 |
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對 我的意思是說 我舉這個例子那我們來修這個法但可能要請你們再多想不是 請你們要再多想一點有 像AIS的部分我們也去請那個 航港局修了那另外就是說 小船小船不掛AIS 小船沒有納管的事我們也一直都在溝通現在波特船也是很嚴重的一個問題所以很多 |
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其實很多法都是我們海巡這裡執法以後反應給主管部門去修法來的對 我的意思就是這樣以這一個全漁船的這種例子這樣子啦包括現在很多的甲漁船我們應該要修法能夠想到的一次就圍堵啦 |
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不夠的再來補不要說一個一個來修要修法就一次然後各單位所以我才今天說要請你們海委會包括跟海巡署有相關的你們實際上遇到的要就一次我們來做盤點如果有委員的支持我們在跨部會的協調會更方便更好我們一定支持這個也不是為了委員有好幾個法我們都認為說應該要啟動修法 |
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這個是為了台灣啊包括我剛剛講的那個電液法的部分我們如果是電力像我們不久以前去取締一個電力斷纜那個是出配電喔他斷纜喔那我們去抓到了船喔那結果呢他那個意外就非故意過失他就不罰他就沒有處罰過失這個有很多啦很多樣態啦我現在講的就是我們把全部的樣態拿在一起一次處理啦是賣負又一個一個來啦賣負啦 |
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人家是非常惡意的而且你們現在沒有錢沒有油你們連油費都不夠的情況之下你們能夠百分之百的確保說能夠保護到我們漁民保護到所有的人民嗎然後可以抓走私嗎我覺得這一點我相信主委你也不敢保證吧在沒有錢沒有油的情況之下 |
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跟委員報告我們才前幾天回來的我們一千來回一千多海里然後想要去救一個船長因為他中風後來把他戒護回來光油錢光油錢大概都五六百萬那像這樣的遠洋救援我們就要五六百萬 |
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那另外就是我們24小時的運作然後全國有這麼多的安檢所等等那我們的電費也不夠去年的電費都還用第二預備金替我們付了一千萬那今年水電費這樣一山我們現在也是苦哈哈也是很自愛我知道啦 主委電費齁 |
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也很重要啦 但可能冷氣不用吹啦但油錢不夠 連救人都不行啦這個才是重點啦 主委謝謝謝謝委員謝謝張宏錄 張偉好 那再來我們請李博義委員 |
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謝謝有請管主委跟署長好請主委跟署長委員好肩負台灣的這個海岸安全而且有我們所有周邊的這些沿海的安全那我想海委會海巡署壓力非常的沉重 |
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在這邊先給所有海巡署的同仁們加油我們還是希望站在執政黨的委員我們雖然在 |
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去年1月以及後來的復翼案都沒有能夠成功把海委會海巡署相關的預算可以爭取下來但是我覺得我們必須要在這邊跟國人來講清楚這些預算去了哪這些預算發生什麼事我先講海底電纜每個人都在講海底電纜今年的1月3號有一個有一艘 |
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柯麥隆級的貨船它的拋錨導致海底電纜受損那很快的國防外交委員會的林義軍召委他就召開了這一個專案報告國安局提出幾點建議包含加強電纜周邊的海域重點巡查這個是海巡署的工作 |
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完備海染設施防護演練這個海巡署的工作推動國際交流提升合作聯防加強權宜輪檢管管制通報這也是海巡署的工作很多海巡署的工作演完這一場專案報告之後呢1月21 1月22藍白漏葉表決通過史上最大筆的預算煽動案 |
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我講一下這個時序接下來2月25號又發生了一件 |
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台澎三號海纜全斷障礙經過經查之後是由多哥級的鴻泰號郵輪這台鴻泰號就是剛剛主委有跟其他委員討論到的全一輪它不但有中國的這些身份之外它同時也有註冊台灣的 |
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台灣是宏泰58那他在中國是金龍吧 |
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他有很多的名字還有善美還有宏泰168跟宏泰58所以剛剛主委講到的這個必須要做這些我們在處理我們在處理上一個法案的時候我們有增加這些罰則他罰錢之外那我們希望還是要增加刑責針對這個蓄意用灰色手段在破壞台灣電纜的這些船隻接下來3月12號 |
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我們給藍白一次復議機會那也給我們海巡署再一次機會我們能不能再把這些經費要回來3月12號總預算的復議案對不起我們還是沒有辦法得到國民黨跟民眾黨的支持所以我在這邊要問主委的是在這兩次預算案裡面被刪掉的預算裡面 |
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我看到的資料是3減10億 凍結11億我想要重複一下 我記得我們在內政委員會我們守得很辛苦啊 我們努力的說服國民黨及內政委員會的委員不要刪凍這麼多我想請主席處長說明一下我們在內政委員會被刪除凍結的預算是多少 |
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包包委員 那個我們在內委會被刪減了1530萬1530萬 但是我們到議員會的時候發生什麼事被刪了10.8億 通山的部分被誰通山那時候就是民眾黨團有提一個通山決 通山的提案就是這一份 通山案通山海巡署15%的預算 |
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凍結11億的預算就是這一份民眾黨在院會通山海巡署15%也就是10億的預算裡面再加上國民黨在內政委員會做了什麼決議 處長 |
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國民黨委員在內政委員會做的刪除的決議不得留用刪除的預算不得留用的決議因為那個在通商裡面的話以前都有一個為了執行彈性嘛所以他有一個執行彈性今年的話他有限制通商部分的話取消留用的規定國民黨在內政委員會取消留用的規定台灣民眾黨在院會刪除15% |
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也就是說你今年度可能要交的船會沒有辦法交船來 主委 這個是不是請你回應 |
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各位委員報告 刪掉的這10億多呢我們最後 最後悄悄來悄悄去大概就是兩艘船沒辦法交船為什麼兩艘船沒有辦法交因為我們以前若是希望抬掉的錢我們有一個決議 那個決議就是說我們可以去替代對 我剛剛講過了嘛 這個決議已經被國民黨委員在內政委員會決議拿掉了 |
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拿掉了我們現在變成不能補回來不能補所以今年這兩隻船就沒辦法航船但是最好他好了對不對 造好了對不對年底會造好年底造好但是依今年被30億的預算是沒有辦法交船的對那另外就是說其實最嚴重的不是這個我們現在第一年 |
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七上八下還懸而未決的是那六百多億怎麼辦那六百多億萬一到時候真的必須刪然後分配而下現在講的只有這個統三的啦還沒有包含六百多億還沒有包含六百多億行政院跟我們現在海委會還沒有辦法算出來到底六百多億海委會必須要被刪幾億嗎那可能是好幾十億就是我全部解凍都還不夠啦 |
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所以你解凍也沒辦法啦你不用解凍 因為你解凍那些都要抬掉的又不夠給台我們把海巡署視為國防的一部分國民黨加民眾黨這幾個預算的決議其實就是讓台灣的海巡 讓台灣的國防敗殼了主委你同不同意這樣我剛剛有舉例 譬如說我們的連江艦好了那我再舉例 譬如說鴻泰鴻泰一艘船 |
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要海底電纜我首先在那裡感到好我一台大船去就有辦法抓到你的時候還是兩台船就有辦法包抄給你找不到的時候這兩台船就牽涉到我斷纜的船抓到沒有啦 |
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那個斷纜的磚是幾六千甚至萬噸的,是貨輪我們的磚更大一台也兩千噸、六百噸、最大一台四千噸但是我兩台過去的時候,你更大一台不敢把我弄的時候,我可能也抓到你會中這邊風太,我們就是去找他嘛我就不怕你遭,我抓到你會中 |
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對 船上的人的安全設備我兩台船我就有辦法抓斷纜船了啦你現在兩台船沒辦法搞船 你看影響多大啦阿剛才我舉的連江艦的例子 一台艦喔一台艦它就有辦法給陪侯抓 頭土魚抓得很開心啦抓到他的魚丸 要再叫管隊少這兩台船 你剛剛講的海底戀郎跟漁民的安全都發生疑慮我們必須要跟國人說明清楚 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝李博弈委員再來我們請麥玉珍委員謝謝主席 尤其主委好 請管主委 |
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好主委好首先我們都沒有分黨派我們都大家都肯定我們海洋委員會在113年推動了就是堅守三岸守護四海伸手海洋的努力並在國家海洋的治理邊境的安全海洋保育及 |
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近鄰轉型等政策面的不錯的進展我們都很肯定還有加上說我們每一個部會啊到處招搖 鋪天蓋地但是我們的管組委 |
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所以我們的海委會在2014年編了335億 |
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3886萬還增訂比去年多了53億還有我們海洋科研海委會的也是在今年也增資了7500萬也通過30案入選這些都是我們的預算裡面所以說面對當前的極端氣候差距所以我們的 |
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灰色地帶的衝突高還有以及的全球對燃炭與生態的法制的高度的關注台灣若成為一個真正的海洋國家因為我們在這裡看到那邊是溫良家所以說我們覺得海洋的國家真的是很重要大家就是做一個 |
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不只是具備海上的防衛能力還更需擁有的科學為基礎我們的制度為骨幹跨領整合維和的核心的 |
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治理架構所以我們的主委真的是給你拍拍手所以我們都會認同你也是覺得說整個經費你都沒有再去向其他人所以這些委員一直要提出提出讓你不得你要去講一下所以說我們希望我們歸會在報告中有三個重點政策方向提出幾個問題我們希望說 |
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我們的組委要給我們一些建議所以我們是看到在113年的時候再到114年3月我們的海委會針對我們中國大陸的業界的 |
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的距離1671艘還有扣留20艘還有罰了730萬元沒入的這8艘這個量真的很龐大但是我們戰略防疫角度的觀之才有就是重要的幾個問題需要說一個澄清就是因為灰色地帶有就是 |
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超常就是這個常態化了海巡高感知知能力還有仰賴的是科技的補全還有 |
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請問在截止日前全國完成部署的紅外線的夜影還有監控的共點有幾處這個部分還有說我們已經是是否該含就是所有的高風險的熱帶區還有是否具備夜間辦事與AI的警能力 |
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這個部分是不是說我們的主委這邊這幾點可以說明一下謝謝委員關心也謝謝委員的肯定那我跟委員報告就是說是不是容我來辦公室跟委員說明剛剛的這幾個部署詳細的部署的內容因為比較不適合機敏的 |
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没问题没问题我们都欢迎最资深的立委又最认真的主委所以我们希望就是这个就是我们要有准确性再来去又没有说可能会误判或者误判后呢我们要如何查证人力如何配置还有说我们能够快速排除这些状况这个部分也希望说 |
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我們主委這邊我們很少有誤判的狀況對有一些就是關於這個希望說是誤判的一次那我也馬上第二天第二天上午就馬上該懲處就立刻懲處我們要是非分明所以我們希望說就是聯合這些監控的小組 |
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就是要研究啦就是我們希望是有這個部分想要更了解因為我們就是大家做事情就是要那個穩重又有實際所以我們希望說有這樣子的一個一個關注希望說我們主委這樣子的硬硬的這樣子的威脅的話這個就是灰色地帶的威脅所以我們希望說有這樣子的一個 |
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所以你說你要到辦公室跟我講所以我們第二個就是說在請教就是關於就是我們海洋污染還有生態退化的問題所以在113年至114年3月也是海污緊急的應變達到256件海難事件也佔了140件所以我們 |
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非海南的116件請問256件的應變中心實際有污染後的效果為何還有我們的量能允許下座第一線的應變人員平均反應的時間還有出勤的 |
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這出勤力的列管所以我們希望說然後就是因為時間的關係所以我們主委可以在針對就是海洋保護一個公告後第一階段的實施後續就是何時可以完成這兩件可以給我一個回應 |
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那個出勤的時間的部分 可能就比較沒辦法 為什麼呢因為出勤的人員 中央地方政府還有民間是這樣三合一一起在應變但是屬於我們海委會海保署的人員 各位有報告齁我看到那時候譬如說玉洲啟航 半月三點半在調度 |
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我們一定要它要不然汙染的時候我們就必須要把資材整合好然後運到現場然後開始拉攔油索還沒汙染就要開始做了所以那個LINE的資料都可以讓大家看到會感動到掉眼淚我們本來三點半要在連絡這些事情所以初勤我是覺得初勤、濾勤大家不用擔心我們台灣的海域 |
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來一次颱風 來兩次颱風總共就11艘大船擱淺 |
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那個海汙的處理到現在還在處理蘭嶼的船還有獄舟起航還有擱淺的那些還有三艘加起來還有五艘到現在還在處理所以請為我們放心我們是日以繼夜非常積極的在應變因此我們海上的污染多半都事先防範或者是立即捕捉到目前為止這幾年來 |
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都沒有嚴重的污染出現那背後就是大家的努力就是詳細也真的有用心所以就是讓你多講讓更多我們就是對我們的海委會我們海保人力非常少我們覺得說這個真的是要多讓更多人知道 |
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因為有時候資料不足或者是沒有完整所以我們希望說這些都要去完整讓我們可以更了解更清楚對我們的海洋國家就是名副其實 |
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這樣子的話我們才會有這樣子的制度還有科技還有就是跨部會的治理我們希望說我們的主委你主動提出改革也主動說要來在我辦公室要跟我們做報告還有預算性的效力還有執行的效力我覺得這個就是我們 |
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大家都是肯定的我們謝謝我們的主委對我們的用心對我們海洋國家的用心謝謝好我們請黃婕委員好謝謝主席我們請管主委好請主委 |
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委員好 |
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好 主委好首先我還是要跟您再次的請教這個預算的部分因為其實很多委員都有提到了3月底公告的這個總預算被刪減跟凍結的結果很可能造成很多重要的預算沒有辦法執行下去那我就我幾個非常關心的部分來跟您請教第一個是國外旅費的部分被刪了60%那這一點我非常擔心是因為還記得上一次總諮詢的時候我也在 |
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一場請教主委說我們是不是應該要針對最近的海瀾的狀況來加強擴大跟國際聯防在海瀾外交以及國際安全上面做更多的區域聯防那當時我認為接下來很重要就是利用這個國外旅費的部分來參加更多的國際安全的會議然後像波羅的海周遭的國家一樣進行海瀾的外交結果 |
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現在我們國外的旅費被通刪了60%這是一個非常非常大的打擊等於直接銷入我們在海域安全上面跟其他國家的交流這是我在這邊要非常嚴厲譴責也要在這邊 |
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希望呼籲接下來如果還有類似的經費絕對不能這樣亂刪因為這跟我們接下來非常關注的海域跟其他國際上的交流非常之重要啊尤其是我才剛提到海南外交結果就被砍掉了各位原報告 |
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就是海巡的部分有特別做一個決議說海巡35%就好那海委會整體還是在60%但是問題在海巡更嚴重為什麼呢他雖然3的%數是15%但他弄一個不得留用不得留用的意思就是說你不夠欠錢過去是我海委會可以給你每年都給我海委會出國的錢 |
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因為海巡你要去跟其他的國家交流要去跟他們學習 要去跟他們訓練我們的海巡是很多 還要去跟他們做外交所以他們都沒辦法 已經每年都沒辦法 都要我幫忙 |
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現在連港澳客也不能和他因為他就規定不能留用所以這個部分說起來數字裡面常有實在是不為人知的苦楚在裡面所以國外的旅費對我們來講尤其是海巡不得留用的這部分是很大的傷害那國內的旅費 |
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我們真的是很辛苦跟委員報告國內的旅費刪除的結果雖然你說總額幾千萬不多但是委員我們就因此我們東沙的弟兄他們要回來休假都要搭飛機來回我們因為國內旅費刪減的結果 |
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我們三百分之二十而且不得留用導致於我們東沙的弟兄沒有辦法百分之百的就可以搭飛機來回休假是影響他們休假的權益嗎 |
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我們就變成在調度上會影響我們在調度上面的摯愛那另外就是他要花更多的時間在交通我們就要去把他喬準出來所以他沒有多少行李我們就要去喬準喬準的時候時間就比較長所以休假的時間還有交通的時間長長就影響我們的調度 |
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我們都不可以到外面看不到整個海巡現在變成國內的出差、散雜費全部不能領出差有時候要買一個便當現在自己出錢了以前就是出差、散雜費現在都完全不能領 |
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是啦 對於公務員真的很辛苦啦這個我們大家也是非常努力做事為了國家為了海域的安全在努力結果現在被刪成這樣對於我們公務員的打擊士氣打擊也是非常大那我在這邊講一個我認為也是非常嚴重的啦就是設備費因為這個海巡在第一線是非常非常需要良好的設備來守護他們的安全還有進行搜救的安全結果這次設備費砍了6% 8.9億 |
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那是不是他們在個人的設備上面的更新都會受到影響啊本來有影響就是說我那個設備裡面已經有新的案嘛新增預算 新增預算不是說增加就很快樂增加都是救命錢啦實在是一塊錢都不應該省啦為什麼我要買防彈背心的啦我要買藍解鎖的啦我要買短武器的啦 |
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我要買救生救難設備這個我們都有看過海巡人員在海上第一線的這個工作執行是非常辛苦的非常高風險的 |
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所以講到這邊我是覺得很難過啦也替我們海巡人員感到很不捨啦就不敢咩所以在這邊也是再次的幫我們辛苦的海巡人打氣啦那在這邊還有一點時間我要講一下這個海嵐的事情因為其實我在總質詢也提過了包括說現在我們海嵐受到的風險是非常高的 |
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那其實在4月1號我知道行政院也因為我們非常有的很多委員都很關心所以有開了一個強化我國海嵐的研討會議那之後也有提相關的修法的準備那我不知道說現在準備的進度到哪裡了那我在這邊提一個喔因為其實最近中國他們不只是用貨船用漁船最近還用科研船 |
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那他們這種類似的間諜船越來越多了那最近有一個中國的研究是說他們會把這個切斷海欖的工具搭載在科研船上面然後不只是淺海的海欖可以切斷連深海的海欖他們也覬覦 |
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那這種間諜船在我看來是風險非常高那最近澳洲也因為中國的這個探索一號直接跟著他們的海嵐的路線沿著他們海嵐路線在行駛讓澳洲非常警戒 |
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那像這種間諜船接下來是不是也會影響如果他們不只是在我們台灣海峽未來他們在我們東部在我們北部開始覬覦我們的深海的海嵐該怎麼辦是不是應該眼光看遠一點他們現在包括我知道你們最近終於把這個台澎三號 |
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虹泰58終於可以用司法來制裁嘛這個初步有一個好的結果那未來除此之外其他法律修法相關之外我們這些深海的海嵐到底有沒有一些防範的方式以及往前看到底該怎麼預防 |
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我想中華電信本身也很努力他們也在對於他們的海嵐的汰換或者是海嵐的這個發展的各方面的技術還有備援系統等等他們都有努力的在精進那對於海嵐的守護他們也有智慧的監控的系統 |
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那我晚近也有陸陸續續在請海巡跟他們建議就是說無人機隊的守護說不定也可以引進我們國內已經有無人機隊被僱用來巡查直升機隊巡查離岸風電 |
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那直升機隊能夠民間如果租賃 雇用來幫忙也做巡查那我們海巡就會有中華電信 航港局跟海巡之外我們有三層的防護之外 再加一層空中這樣的一個巡防那我們最近也都有在溝通 |
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那委員剛剛講的修法的部分我們4月22號要開第二次會議行政院政務委員會來主持各部會就分頭回去他們需要修的法分頭回去研議那第二次會議是4月22號會開太好了4月22號開第二次會那我也希望盡快啦因為我看起來是非常迫切 |
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就最近這個澳洲的例子看起來然後再加上因為我們現在的法律上法律工具真的很不足包括說現在只能預警啊驅離啊那什麼時候可以沒入什麼時候可以開罰不知道是有刑責也可以開罰但是對於船的沒入目前還沒有像那個那個塗財法跟專精法一樣就是說 |
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以我們現在的民刑法的體系來看這一艘船的船東是別人然後犯罪行為人是船長跟船員那以我們現在的司法體系呢它又不是他們的船那又不是船東犯的法所以你要沒入的話法律是不允許的所以我們必須去修法說這種犯刑的船雖然非屬行為人所有也 |
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應該沒入也可以沒入好必須修這個法我們才有辦法得到得到法院的支持好謝謝那我也希望朝這個方向再加緊研議好謝謝主委謝謝謝謝好請您去定位謝謝主席管主委有請好請主委 |
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主委早安今天先從海底電纜的事件開始探討這個今年國內有四次的海底電纜斷裂的事件這個1月3號基隆的外海國際海纜被順興39拖斷1月15跟1月22台馬3號跟台馬2號後來按照海委會的查詢結果應該是自然裂化就是斷裂2月25號颱風3號海纜遭中國權益論這個鴻泰來拖斷 |
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那我想要請從這幾個事件裡面討論幾個事情就以1月3號基隆外海國際海欄斷裂事件來講這個當天啊這個7點45分其實就發生海欄斷裂的狀況那當然海巡到中午嘛12點40分左右其實才接到中華電信的通報然後來針對順興號來去做攔查這個中間的時間好像長了一些啦你們彼此之間這個政府之間的跨部的通報的 |
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時機跟跨部的協調這是不是應該有一些改善的空間你們還有會做哪些努力 |
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跟委員報告我們經過國安程序之後有稍微縮短時間但是之前時間比較長倒也不是疏忽或者是疏失最主要是我們判斷到什麼階段的問題跟委員報告我們海巡會遇到一種狀況就是第一次判斷出來的點位我們的船去了結果告訴我們說不對不對在另一個點位 |
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中間會差三四十海域所以你們判斷點位的資料來源其實也是來自於中華電信嗎所以其實給他們時間做精確的判斷是有必要但是如果說我們判斷說是故意行為的可能性很高的時候呢我們海巡就願意我們也願意負擔這種成本 |
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像我們在剛剛委員講的這幾次當中我們就有齁出去結果說不對又回來所以這個有兩個問題嘛第一個是說這個海嵐的所有者基本上都是中華電信來做管理等等他有沒有辦法第一時間精準的通報資料這第一個這個需要你們政府跨部的加強溝通跟協調啦這個時間總算要縮短第二個是你有辦法第一時間去掌握相關船舶的位置跟狀況嗎 |
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宏泰就是我們事先就監控他 監控了三天我現在就先講順興這件事 還有他衍生出來一些問題以順興號來講 其他就是AIS他可能會關掉或是想辦法規避這件事情那就本期的了解 這個現行傳播法應該是要規定就是說要理論上應該要開啟AIS系統但如果沒有開啟好像也沒有罰則對不對對那這個部分是不是應該要做一些修正跟加強的把控呢 |
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傳播法這一次研議的內容也包含這一點還包括說它變換或者它開了又關 開了又關沒錯嘛 它可能有意規避奇怪的行為嘛那我們現在先分級我們有一個黑名單 |
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分級的指標裡面就有你是不是開了又關開了又關我今天要問這個問題的關鍵其實在傳播法到底什麼時候要修法你們政府現在有沒有打算要針對這個地方做規制的調整我們持續在跨部會的開會協調之中那有沒有一些比如說時間進度上的安排因為我覺得這好像是看起來這個事情是國安危機嘛對不對4月22號要開第二次會議 |
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4月22號開第二次會議有沒有預計什麼時候會把這個修法跟妳剛剛講的分級制度也許都是一個可以改善的狀況因為其實我們是執法單位業務主管不是我們法不是我們修是我們去要求修所以你們在提出需求的時候現在有沒有人給你阻力就是他們不想做麻煩這個怎麼會嗎因為傳播法修法我們其實講很久我們當然希望越快越好所以那個製造阻力的單位是誰我們來幫忙溝通一下我跟委員報告就是說 |
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這個修法為什麼會那麼困難因為它涉及一修法的時候它適用的範圍是包括所有的漁民那這個部分的話溝通的時間就會比較長時間成本就會比較高你剛剛都講時間很長你總要有一個比如說目標吧比如說半年之內我要整合完初步的意見然後刑事初步的法條然後怎麼樣什麼時候要送到行政院來核定再進到立法院來審查你們現在有這個時間表嗎 |
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我們不是主管機關沒辦法定時間表但是以我們來講我們就是很積極的在溝通另外一個是預先預防的一個機制啦雖然你沒有辦法第一時間判斷海嵐發生斷裂的地點在哪裡對不對但海嵐的位置總是固定的嘛 |
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那現在看起來以海委會公布的一些新聞等等也好大概就是有些把毛放下去然後跑嘛然後毛會把海欄勾斷嘛對不對現在看起來這個行為看起來是長這個樣子那有沒有什麼比如說禁毛區啊或怎麼樣一些設置的一些事前預防的機制海委會有沒有一些準備呢 |
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海岸區作為禁錨區那個是會需要經過公告然後去界定它的範圍那經過這兩次事件以後呢範圍應該要如何重新公告跟法定有在考慮 |
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那這一部分應該會比修傳播法稍微簡單一點吧這個部分比較快 下個禮拜會開會下個禮拜會開會 什麼時候會有進到公告的程序呢會處理這個 這個都是航港局的權責我想不管是修傳播法也好 或者是你公告競跑局或者說你剛講的一些分級等等你總要有一些事前預防跟可以先處理的機制我們現在已經都在事前預防 是 |
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這個強度要出來嘛你才能避免就這樣子奇怪的事情在發生所以我們可以抓到宏泰就是因為他還沒斷的時候我們已經去到他的我們要確定的是接下來類似這樣的事情你可以有預前掌握嘛或者是預防其實除了宏泰我們後續還抓了抓了兩次沒關係你後續的一些成果我們有一個案喔委員我們有一個案是同時抓到兩艘沒關係你後續有一些成果跟你現行的機制跟 |
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有不足之處跟你遇到的困難你在會後你整理個詳細的報告我都已經很明確的講就是說要預防這樣的事情其實大家都會覺得說這個為了海南的穩定性啊為了國家安全大家會願意去支持那主力在哪裡你總要講出來嘛大家才能夠趕快溝通啊搞不好大家可以一起把這個事情加速嘛所以你把遇到的障礙跟困難跟預計的時間會後整理一份資料 |
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最後一分鐘我一定要問現在大家都真正在去執行這些事情當然就是辛苦了海巡的弟兄嘛我們修正警察人員人事條例保障退休人員的權益但限職人員也很重要啊現在大家越來越多人去講因為實務上以台海兩岸的特殊狀況來講海巡常常是在第一線嘛 |
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有的時候拍那個貢獻的照片海軍拍得比海軍清楚對不對可是最近現在大家在講我們要加強國防戰力我們要改善志願役弟兄的待遇增加了他的戰鬥佳績海軍都增加了那請問我們海巡署的弟兄他們算警職人員嘛那麼警職人員這些待遇他們做的事情其實跟海軍沒什麼兩樣甚至大家都講現在海軍要變成所謂的第二海軍了那他們做的事情竟然沒有什麼兩樣而且甚至風險跟前線變化都更多那請問海軍的現職人員的待遇應不應該提升 |
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警職的部分因為海巡就是軍警文三種身份那軍職的話我們隨著軍職的調升都有做相當的配合跟著這個軍職的部分走現在是警職的部分那警職的部分其實這幾年也陸陸續續有調升一些那晚進我們也在爭取一兩項那能不能容委員就是在我這裡先先不去 |
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沒關係你詳細資料跟你的方向我一樣會給你時間來做處理但是我只是要藉這樣的機會提醒我們在爭取然後有十分得到人事部門的了解沒關係你都整理好一樣跟剛剛一樣把它整理好因為關鍵是你現在在執行的狀況甚至第一線有些警職人員甚至文職人員也要到第一線去處理嘛 |
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7590.583 |
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7607.295 |
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那你不要說大家是同工但不同酬的狀況然後去影響基層的士氣所以我們講我們支持海巡支持軍警等等都是不分退休還是限職都應該要合理的提升這是我們的立場所以如果我是希望海委會這邊也要很積極嘛如果說軍事人員都提升了你應該要比照嘛 |
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7629.161 |
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各位委員報告我一面非常積極的在爭取一面呢我勧勉勉勵我的同仁我們國家的責任扛在身上讓他們信賴長官心情不要浮動那當然嘛那我一面有安撫這個事情也都我們署長也都到第一現場這個都是你們本來就應該要做的事情嘛但尤其是我今天特別會提這個事情就是因為 |
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我特別會提醒這些事情就是因為現在國防外交委員會等他們已經開始在討論軍人待遇的提升嘛那不要出現落差影響士氣嘛所以我覺得海軍這邊要去做準備好不好所以你把相關的一樣你的規劃跟你的接下來的節奏跟也許會遇到的障礙你一樣先整理嘛我們大家都一起來協助溝通然後幫海軍弟兄爭取更好的待遇這樣可以嗎好謝謝主委好謝謝主委辛苦了好我們請區議長委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們請管碧玲管主委好 請主委 |
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主委好主委好主委我想今天針對這個我們海委會的這個報告我想我們其實大家都很關注就是說我們台灣是現在身處在印太的這個前線那也是地緣政治的一個焦點那也是數位戰爭的第一線所以海底電纜這個就像是數位生命線的保護已經我想已經不單純只是商業問題而且是攸關國家的這個戰略問題 |
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那當然今年一月短短三週內台灣就發生了三期的海底電纜的事故除了順興39號之外然後另外在台澎三號電纜更是被鴻泰貨輪斷纜那另外在上個月這個中國大陸也公開的展示一種新型的海底電纜切割機說號稱它可以深入4000公尺海底切斷最堅硬的裝甲電纜那請問主委 |
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7743.66 |
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台灣目前的海巡設備是否具備對三千公尺以下的海域的偵測與干擾能力對於水下無人設備進行電纜的迫害作用那海委會是不是已經有跨部會的應對計畫 |
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7761.699 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員關心有關於水下的偵測的部分呢目前我們還屬於在規劃的階段那大概什麼時候可以規劃可能沒有辦法非常的快比如說有沒有一個時程的規劃涉及就是說我們有沒有要 |
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國產化如果有的話那國內現在的發展的這個進度的掌握呢基本上我們都在所以如果依主委現在的回答其實等於是還沒開始嗎 |
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有 我們都已經開始 開過很多會開過很多會 可是剛剛講的嘛針對要用哪一種方式 哪一種方法好像都還在討論中嘛在討論中 這個是事實就已經發生了三期的這個電纜的這個事故啦所以我是覺得應該是要加快加快這樣子的一個評估的一個階段要怎麼來做喔因為這個我想這個攸關我們整個的這個數位的這個生命線的一個相關的訊息啊 |
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就是相關的守護的途徑非常的多元那包括業主中華電信的本身他們也都在精進那什麼樣的權責什麼樣的技術配屬在什麼樣的部門也都有分工 |
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那以海巡來講的話我們目前水下或者是水面的無人載具的部分我們目前的進度就是我們開始在規劃研議我們也開過了研討會但是空中我們會比較成熟那請問要研議多久的時間才會比較具體的這個 |
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就是針對我們3000公尺以下的這個海域的偵測跟干擾人力這樣子的一個派巡設備目前的進度來講如果很具體的要回答這個問題的話有一個指標就是說我們今年來不來得及提出從明年開始的中產業計畫最快最快 |
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今年開始的中長期計劃今年來不來得及提出來那這個部分我們還不是那麼有把握我們用情監偵系統我們用中華電信的智慧監控系統跟港港局的智慧航安系統跟海巡署的情監偵系統我們三道防線 |
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7914.385 |
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那侦测完之后有什么防护的所以我们既抓到了顺兴99我们也抓到了宏泰56那顺兴没有进来是因为那个时候它还不是关键基础设施所以它的进港程序就比较会受到现有制度的影响我想我们目前应该要探讨的是怎么不是只有我们侦测是未来要怎么去预防这样的一个状况发生因为一旦台北电缆被切断之后 |
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因為預防所以才抓得到你要再恢復要花更久的時間跟更久的精力跟金錢所以跟委員報告我們關係是對的你一定要事先預防所以事先預防的部分呢也是因為我們事先預防所以我希望能夠加快這個時程還沒有斷我們就在現場那是不是可以加快這個時程好不好剛剛講這個言語的時程 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
然後另外就是剛剛提到就是說我們如果發現這個可疑傳播靠近敏感海嵐區域的時候我們的線上巡邏艦艇能夠幾個小時到達現場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我們要看第一個我們要看第一個我們的距離是多遠然後第二個涉及當時的海象跟委員報告就是鴻泰我們監控了他三天那海象一可以我們馬上就去了所以還沒有斷五年財那如果海象惡劣的狀況之下呢會不會就束手無策海上也不會束手無策那會用什麼方式因為如果是如果是那個我們用雷達還是監控著他如果真的是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
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發生斷纜的時候我們還是要去追現在我們這個海巡署這邊是不是有全天候的輪班跟快速應變的機制呢有我們都有都有整個機制我們可以請請海巡的同仁來來做詳細的說如果有需要的話 |
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好那是不是可以因為時間關係是不是這個是不是會後再把詳細的資料送到辦公室好嗎跟委員先補充說明一下就是我們現在在六大徵景區每一天都固定有一艘大艦在線上那另外在12海浬內我們固定都有每一個海巡隊都有兩艘巡防機在線上所以我們第一時間就可以掌握海面所有的目標那剛剛委員有特別提示到就是說我們多少時間會到那取決於我們距離通報點多遠 |
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那目前我們把海嵐那個區域一接收到通報之後你們就會馬上過去那我們現在是把那個海嵐的區域列為我們的巡查的重點之一所以虹台為什麼那麼快到是因為我們就在現場那剛剛您提到的海嵐區域是不是已經被列為受保護的海域那台灣是不是有這個海嵐防衛地圖呢 |
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就是我們現在海欄區在電子地圖電子海圖上面都有公告都有公布我們是不是有這個海欄防衛地圖有有有那中華電信它對於每個海欄都有一個告警設置就是Source的一個系統所以只要船舶 |
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超過20公尺然後航速低於5節然後接近海南1公里它這個系統就會自動告急那我們同時也會收到這個告急我想海底電纜被破壞會使台灣的基礎建設可能會跟經濟的運作會造成長期的壓力那其實也非常需要海委會跟海巡署大家強藉乎那當然如果有需要相對應的經費不管是人啊甚至需要家人要造船需要相關的加班費 |
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我想 海委會也可以積極地來續上我們的財政跟儲計單位爭取只要預算送來立法院 我們一定會全力支持這樣可以嗎 主委 |
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我們就是遇到今年有兩艘船不能不能交船的困難因為今年的預算刪減的結果就造成了這個困境如果委員能夠支持我們就是希望未來不要再有發生這樣的狀況謝謝委員剛剛我已經提過就是說只要有需要相關的經費其實你們提出來跟財主還有跟這個主計單位提出那再送到立法院來我們一定會全力支持 |
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那當然因為海巡弟兄說實在相對非常的辛苦啦所以我也希望說而且他們面臨其實很多都是高危險這個高壓力的所以說我想這個部分也希望說我們海委會這邊能夠針對海巡署的部分我們多給他們一些相關的經費那需要我們立法院來支持的我們一定會全力協助謝謝主委謝謝 |
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鄭正琴 鄭正琴 鄭正琴委員不在 我們請高津素美委員謝謝周浩文 有請主委好 請主委 |
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主委早看到4月14號海委會的國家海洋研究院還有中山大學主辦的2025國際太平洋海洋教育工作者網絡國際研討會你們邀請了日本加拿大美國還有澳洲等地的學者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
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針對傳統生態知識視角下的海洋素養來對話來自亞太的聲音的議題探討然後最後閉幕的時候你們還發布了一個打狗宣言那打狗宣言的重要內容包含優先考量傳統生態知識系統並且要保障傳統族群的權利 |
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8239.446 |
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然後各國要建立制度框架來保護並且來支持傳統生態知識的社群權利還有海洋保育中傳統生態知識要納入政策制定的核心要素以及促進海洋科學家跟社區居民的深度合作還有海洋科學研究資金優先支持來社群參與然後建立國際平台有七大承諾很多沒有錯吧 |
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請問主委你有共同連署了嗎他們的連署主要以他們的成員為主那我們有象徵性的連署但是那個連署書沒有要讓他們帶去聯合國帶去聯合國去倡議的部分是他們自己社群的人才有資格做連署所以我們有象徵性的連署所以象徵性也就是說海委會你們願意承諾海洋政策會往這個方向來進展對不對 |
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各位原報告我在這個會中我也去分享了我們已經有做的部分那他們對於說我們的海保法可以把原住民的諮商同意權放進去可以把原住民家漁民成為少數有否決權 |
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他們對於這兩點印象非常的深刻因為這就代表著說我們原住民族的傳統的海洋的智慧傳統的生態的知識是被我們引進到決策的程序那這一點他們覺得我們做得很好對也就是大家非常的努力嘛然後你這個打狗宣言的其實也跟本席 |
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8334.013 |
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當時我們在審海洋保育法的時候我非常堅持的核心理念所以我們可以說是創紀錄的把這個少數否決權放進來所以因此我們有要求要求六個月之內要在原住民地區各縣市辦理至少三場次的相關法案的說明會 |
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并且也邀请我们组人参与然后积极来沟通嘛对不对然后让我们的组人了解一下这个法的利弊得失还有后续的会有影响请问一下现在我们这个场是办理的怎么样我们办完了五场然后执法的部分你知道参与的人数有多少吗然后执法的人数我们也都陆陆续续有做你知道有多少人参加吗这三场总共是一百多人那详细的情形我是不是请组长来说明 |
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好可以為什麼這麼少人委員我們當時解讀的這個然後也跟溝通的過程所以當時的認定是沒有我現在問你為什麼那麼少人我們基本上在地所有的部落我們其實都有發你們進入到部落了嗎然後你們去你們去這個這個這個開展的這個座談會是在禮拜幾所以其實問題蠻大的所以呢其實我也看到了我們的主任他有在這個 |
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8410.051 |
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雖然105個人參加他有提出幾個疑慮啦第一個疑慮就是要求你們要到部落再去召開說明會對吧然後還有誤犯的時候怎麼樣來減輕這樣的機制還有就是原住民文化記憶之間跟我們這個法律的競合問題還有 |
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批戶區劃設的原住民代表的比例其實呢這些都是我們在修這個癌包法的時候本席非常堅持的立場那請問一下我們有第8條第19條第26條對不對好這個我就不再因為時間的關係我就不再說明了那這這三條當中我們有講到非常多的問題就是你的配套執法請問一下配套執法什麼時候會出來是 |
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8460.755 |
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也跟委員這邊說明一下目前我們所有的14個執法應該現在有8個已經預告完成了那我剛剛講的第8條第19條第26條這跟原住民都有相關的問題而且也跟你們剛剛主委所說的打狗宣言的這個不謀而合我們的理念是不謀而合是跟委員說明第26條就是針對如果他之後有任何的 |
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不OK受罰的他必須要受獎習課程那這是第26條那目前這個執法已經預告完成然後再做後面的法制作業有嗎有這三條有嗎第8條第19條第26條有嗎第19條是獎勵的部分那獎勵的部分基本上是我們已經有這個獎勵辦法已經完成已經是在會內作業那第26條呢保育獎期的課程要納入原住民族知識還有原住民族生物多樣性的課程 |
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是跟委員說明一下就是這個的執法是已經預告完成然後現在在做法沒有我現在跟你問你的是這第19條對有26條內容是什麼內容有包含他必須要含原住民相關的這個知識跟原住民相關的內容那你們該怎麼做 |
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8537.578 |
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他如果受罰之後他基本上有不同的課程要上那我們在去年的十月也開始起了一個標案就是針對這些的課程開始要編這些的教材那目前的規劃是他會有兩個小時的教材四個小時的教材跟八個小時的教材那裡面都有含教材怎麼來呃先跟呃跟委員說明是這些教材現在在走的過程裡面他有涉及原住民相關的這個部分我們會請原住民的呃專家老師跟部落的人幫我們看過那原是去年十月你知道現在園民會有建立一個知識體系嗎 |
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這個也會納在這個的這個標案他們去參考的裡面那特別針對原住民用海的部分我們今年也有一個計畫是在調查整個東海岸的原住民的傳統用海所以他等於是從那個資料庫裡面他有理論的知識然後再透過今年的這個原住民用海的這個調查他會有各種不同的案例所以這些都會納在這個因為時間的關係在這邊我有三個強烈的要求好不好主委您聽一下第一個呢打狗宣言竟然強調的是傳統生態知識 |
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8593.282 |
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我們希望你們拿出具體的規劃、期程還有做法第二個海洋保育法裡面的國際交流補助你們應該要編列專門的經費來支持族人怎麼樣去推廣跟交流傳統生態知識第三個海洋保育法裡面原住民知識跟原住民族生養多樣性的課程我認為你們應該要結合原住民族知識體系 |
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8612.655 |
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也就是原民會現在其實已經建立了必須要由海委會教育部還有原民會你們來進行這個所謂的橫向平台要真正來落實合作跟對話可不可以我們把備案做好因為現在委外在研究我們備案出來以後跨部會會來協調 |
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8629.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
最後我要提醒主委蔡總統她在105年的時候她跟原住民道歉她曾經承諾過要推動原住民的自治要推動原住民的土地跟海洋海域法然後轉型政業要納入原住民可是到現在全部都飄跳 |
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8630.639 |
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8657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
跳票了所以我在想既然剛剛主委您也非常贊同而且你們也簽署了這個所謂的打狗宣言要強調傳統知識保障跟維護我們真的希望拿出具體的作為然後以上可能還沒有辦法具體講述的部分我也請相關的業務同仁能夠到我的辦公室來我們到一定的進度有內容的時候我們就跟委員報告好謝謝 |
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8683.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
好 我們請新穎委員好 謝謝主席 我們請主委好 請主委 |
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8715.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
主委好管主委好今天我想很多委員都很關心我們這個海底電纜的安全的問題那當然您也有表達這個海委會是執法單位執法單位因為海底電纜它這個涵蓋的這個部會還有層面都很廣包含國安包含通訊那您也有提到說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8740.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
已經有在做跨部會的整合 是那請問跨部會的會議是誰來主導 誰是那個主責的看項目 如果是所有的法令規章各部會負責的部分都必須要修的部分那就是政委會主持我們負責法制的政委會主持法制的就是政委 對 法制的 |
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8740.515 |
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8752.93 |
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那像譬如說事發一開始的時候是我們海委會來招集那看看項目那譬如說下個禮拜要開的修電纜是誰修電纜的電纜壞了 |
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8773.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
電纜壞了那個技術面我們大概就是中華電信他們跟速發部去處理那譬如說下禮拜要開的是有關於海纜涉及的海域我們到底要公告多大範圍作為禁錨的區域那這個就由交通部 |
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所以那個區域反而是交通部那是交通部委會不是海委會沒有 我們是執法我們就都不是權責機關所以你們是按照他們規定區域多少我們提供修法的需求然後是主管部門必須去修區域他們規定了以後你們按照那個區域來做執法所以這一次就是今年2月的這個鴻泰58號的事件那您也說你們監控了三天大概三十幾個小時 |
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8834.12 |
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那现在最大问题不止三天不止有啦有啦因为它跨中间第一天后段跟第三天前段那所以你们因为很明显的就是等于是监控长达三十几个小时然后又广播七次然后都不听对都不听然后我们反而都已经监控了还让海揽被破坏所以这个就凸显出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8854.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我們到現場以後才破壞的警告了而且監控了但是沒辦法把他驅離沒有辦法去驅離取締就是因為法令不足所以我們很希望要重判他真的是不可原諒七次耶 |
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8877.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
對對對那通常警告不從我們應該就可能可以驅離甚至取締為什麼不做這個動作當時海象的問題是海象的問題今天是因為海象就算有法令也還是沒辦法取締跟驅離可是我們是實在是奮勇泛濫因為海象 |
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8877.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8894.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
有时候我们硬顶都得顶出去但是连顶都顶不出去的时候这个就变成我们要监控那么久本席想了解的是就算法令完备了可以取缔可以驱离也有可能因为海象我们没办法吗 |
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我們基本上最近的這些案例我們基本上有的是事先會到譬如說鴻泰另外譬如說順心99是我們追到追到的案子不只順心99我們大多數都會追到現在主要本席就想建議有沒有在考慮好像有蠻多學者專家有在考慮是不是要有一個海底電纜的安全專法 |
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那來統合整個的海事電信國安以及基礎設施那也包含了你們他們這個違法的時候我們是要驅離取締因為我覺得太誇張了廣播七次然後監控三十幾個小時最後我們的電纜還是被破壞了那當然我們都覺得那個船隻很故意而且很有問題 |
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您重判我們也認同但是我們自己的專法在哪裡這是一個問題第二個本席想要問我們都已經看到它一直在那個區塊然後我們自己也知道底下可能有海嵐 |
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有電纜其實他自己也知道因為他那個海圖會顯示所以我們給人家知道那重點就是說我們有沒有水下無人機可以去確認譬如說他一直在那裡我也不知道他有沒有破壞那我們有沒有水下無人機 |
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我們目前沒有我們目前的我們大調查船有附帶一個水下無人載具將來可以調用它來用那這個東西最近行政院核定要讓我們買了但是還沒有製作出規格 |
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所以未來會買這個是我們調查船附帶有那到時候調查船就可以徵用來做這個事所以那海巡還沒有海巡還沒有但是國海院有我剛剛講的這個是我們的國海院所以我海委會呢已經有一個水下溫宅局同樣都是海委會的而且他本來調查船這種時候有可以出去 |
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那所以這個海底電纜的安全專法有沒有考慮設專法目前因為權責不在我們所以我這裡沒有在考慮這個方向我沒有提專法為什麼呢因為它其實涉及的都是非常專業的各部會的專業所以我們一方面有電信管理法 |
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那本席請教你海底店究竟是誰管轄誰是管轄者 |
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它歸NCC跟速發部的部分比較多所以這個必須要明確問問還有誰可以進行相關的修正但是航安的部分是交通部那我們是執法我們都執法所以我們還是希望我們海底電可以說是我們台灣通訊的生命線千萬不能讓這個生命線長長斷長長斷這就是國安危機 |
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接著還有一點點時間本席想要請教去年本席也有請教過主委我們有在規劃無人機是空中的無人機我們也看到原本預計的114年度就是今年要驗收的無人機突然出問題廠商無法履約 |
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你們又重新開始所以本席想請教你這個無人機第二代的無人機計畫經費是兩億多嘛兩億一千八百三十五萬七千元那現在你重新修正計畫你的經費的部分我請署長說明前面執行了一兩年結果最後這個無疾而終因為我們要求的那個功能他最後做不出來那我請署長說明 |
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這邊跟委員說明那我們那個計劃是112年開始到114要開始交今年要交市價那我們在整個測試的過程當中因為他沒有辦法達到我們想要需求滯空兩小時的這個時間所以這個部分經過所有的法律程序以後因為這個合約最後他沒辦法履約最後解約那按照解約的話我們經費是怎麼樣 |
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原本兩億多嘛現在那廠商拿多少最後這個解約以後因為他還要做相關的這些賠償我們知道我們現在要重新起案的也是兩億多只有差了將近五千萬左右 |
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所以用原來的錢再補五千萬然後我們重新四月嘛我看你們四月提修正計劃好那我們當然我們對就是海委會我們海巡這裡我們的配備我們一定支持那當然我們也希望這個國家的計劃我們不希望一再的落空所以這個部分我們大家一起加油好謝謝 |
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好我們請陳培宇委員好謝謝主席我就直接請海保署好了可以更直接的就不勞煩主委了謝謝來請海保署 |
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好呃是署長是署長你好我想要直接跟您討論關於離島是金門還有馬祖也就是連江縣他們過往在遇到海廢的問題喔來下一張呃基本上這些海廢喔其實是我們在現場實地拍攝照的照的照片那根據相關的統計資料每一年相關要清出來在金門還有連江也就是馬祖清出來的海廢喔 |
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其實超過數百噸我想這個數字你們一定非常非常的清楚可是我覺得最大的困境就是目前這些海廢其實有大量是來自於中國沿岸的生活廢棄物還有來自海上的航道儀器物當然也有來自我們台灣本島的漂流物我甚至在馬祖的座談會當中我聽到當地非常非常多的 |
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民宿業者或者是當地在做生意的或是當地的住民告訴我們他們每年都要發動非常多志工一起參與這個清除海廢而這個清除海廢的工作它其實是大量的勞務而且呢如果不去做這些事情我們以為它會隨海洋漂走其實是不會的來下一張 |
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那也因為有這個問題呢我們其實知道金門他們過去說要把這個海漂垃圾還給中國他們說要用浮桶的方法把它帶回去馬祖也曾經多次公開呼籲說垃圾應該要回歸來源因為呢這麼大量的離島海廢其實 |
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大量不成比例的都是在承擔所謂他國海廢的處境我們認為這件事情我們到底可以怎麼想像因為這不是你們單方面可以解決的就像剛剛徐新英委員說海嵐這件事情其實也不是海委會單方面可以解決的如果有中國敵意刻意屢次入侵 |
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然后破坏台湾海垒你们怎么做更多的海防兄弟往前线冲其实也不能够确保不会一再发生所以我们认真来看海废这件事情我们希望它可以还给离岛居民一个干净的海洋因为那是他们的生活空间而且那些海废确实已经造成生活的困扰我们看一下你们的资料113年度海漂底废弃物还有微型塑胶分布调查的分析计划里面 |
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你們有針對台灣的海洋海廢還有海底的廢棄物進行定點調查還有採樣分析可是你們目前的計畫只有針對北部還有外海的海域沒有針對離島做完整的中長期監測那離島的長期資料其實一直都是不夠的我不知道我們有沒有機會建立一個關於屬於專屬於離島的海廢監測指標還有回報系統 |
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可不可以請您簡單回應一下跟委員這邊報告一下就是目前這邊委員收到之前的這個資料包含定點或者是採用分析比較是剛提到說本島這邊最海漂或者是海底的這個部分那特別針對金門跟馬祖或者是離島的這個部分我們其實今年也開始 |
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今年是指2025年開始啟動對就是我們的中長城的計畫那也配合這些離島的離島建設方案因為這些離島基本上他們都有離島建設方案那他們離島建設方案裡面其實也都有跟海洋污染的部分有關所以他們其實也都有海汙水質跟海廢這三個部分 |
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可是你老先生方案很多錢其實撥到地方上去使用的不是嗎是但是因為他會有一部分的錢是需要中央的同時的配合款所以基本上我們也會同步的看過他們的計劃所以我們也希望把這個部分去導到說大家會有共同的這個目標跟方向所以 |
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那如果他有中央跟地方的配合我认为我们海保署就应该加强管控的力道或者是协助他们订定真的更完整的计划那如同您刚刚说书长您刚刚说这个相关计划可不可以会后给我们先给我们办公室我觉得要确认我们如何协助地方政府完成居民他们对于这个海费的想象跟许愿因为这真的会影响到他们的生活那可是我认为如果我们还是没有相关指标其实还是有危险所以我们希望会后你给我们的资料里面我们共同来研究一下好 |
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好那接下來我們想要問一下其實你們在113到116有訂定一個污染防治劑接近海洋計畫我相信你非常熟悉但是我要再次強調這個計畫裡面我們目前所看到的資料你們希望推動地方參與鼓勵回收再利用專案性補助這都是一個沒有針對離島 |
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跟委員這邊說明這個其實有針對離島就是像我們提到說我們的前海戰將或者是環保艦隊這個其實都有離島所以金門跟馬祖其實也都有環保艦隊跟前海戰將的培訓那基本上那個環保艦隊就是從他們開始出去就必須把自己的垃圾帶回來然後當要去清的時候他們也會跟著一起清那前海戰將基本上我們是培訓一些潛水相關的人在碰到有些海廢的時候其實這些有技術或者經過訓練的人他們就會下去清 |
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這個也是在113到116這個計畫當中但是在根據離島的部分我剛剛講針對離島的部分我認為應該跟北部跟所謂的台灣的海域其實是不一樣的那這個部分你們有研究在加強嗎是這個部分我們會特別針對離島有在基本上就是像大象可能會相同就是比如說針對剛說的前海沾漿或是這些的大象會相同可是特別針對離島因為像剛委員這邊有提到他們的垃圾如果清出來之後他要運回來基本上是非常 |
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非常困難的所以我們會有特別的那個回收或是處理的方式比如說像大型的那個那個保麗龍他就會必須要冷壓或者是這個一樣是中央要跟地方合作嗎是對我們這邊也有相關的經費補助所以可是相關經費補助如果又只是落於中央給錢然後沒有積極的監督地方政府或是協助地方政府的角色我們只是把錢花完但是我們看不到實質的效果所以在這個部分是不是也可以會後提供資料給我們 |
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或者是我們就直接來約開會確認我們目前所服務的金馬地區真的有確實落到不管是在海洋污染潔淨防治計畫或者是海漂的部分好不好好 那我想這兩個海洋的議題就麻煩你們帶回去那我們辦公室之後會再積極跟你們約開會好 謝謝好 謝謝署長 謝謝主席 謝謝好 我們請林建啟委員 |
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9621.905 |
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主席 普院同仁大家好我們請主委好 請主委 |
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9630.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9647.806 |
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主委好本期今天就整個海委會的一個本期關心的相關的這個業務來跟您做一個討論那首先是有關於跨部會協調性的問題那因為整個海洋政策其實是我們海委會這邊來主導但是我們知道在實際執行上 |
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其實還有各部會的一些相關比較專業的這個業務所以本席這邊有關心這個整個海洋政策跟海委會主導的這樣一個平台目前的一個狀況所以我們知道呢在整個這個高 |
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9667.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9683.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
海洋的相關事務裡面呢那麼藍色經濟跟港口的物流目前是交通部在主導的那漁業經濟呢應該是在農業部那海洋環境的污染呢跟海岸災防的這個防治又環境部還有內政部 |
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9684.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9706.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
那麼國防安全跟海事工程又牽扯到經濟部、國防部、科技部那本席剛從另外一個委員會過來因為你們要成立那個國家海洋科技研究中心那其實很多人關心的都國安的問題但本席這邊也關心到海洋專業知識的公共性的問題所以這邊其實你們是海洋治理的一個中枢機關 |
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9707.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9721.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
那國家海洋政策白皮書也是你們擬的那所以除了這個召開協調會議然後擬定相關的這個白皮書以外呢那你們也提到了2050在整個淨林航運路徑圖還有智慧海港的轉型還有淨海綠能的一個規劃等等的項目那這個這些項目要怎麼來落實有誰來落實 |
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9732.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9750.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
那麼在國家是不是有納入國家的中長期的預算還是目前還在政策構想的層級本行剛才林林總總把這個整個的分工但是也有分工的專業性可是你又是一個主導的單位那實際的執行上我們都知道這個政府的一個分工我不知道你們這邊目前的一個狀態是如何 |
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9752.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9769.975 |
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跟委員報告當初海洋委員會他到底是要是海洋部或者是海洋委員會經過非常複雜跟坎坷的激盪的過程那最後呢定位為海洋委員會而且編制高度的小 |
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因此它就被定位成為是協調整合的機關但是海巡跟海保跟國海院它擔負比較多的食物的主管業務比如說海洋保育的話它就是屬於我們野生動物保育跟海洋保育的主管機關 |
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海巡當然就有國安治安平安上面海岸巡防法是主管但是他所執法的業務也都分散在其他的業務主管機關所以協調整合跟海巡執法跟海委會的協調整合比較是當初的定位 |
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因为业务发展的结果慢慢的我们会有比较多协调整合的结果变成刚刚委员所讲的比较大的一个主导性但是那个主导性还是建立在我们的协调整合上就我刚刚讲我们刚刚一直在讲的要修传播法就不是我们来我们的业务 |
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要修傳播法就是交通部的業務但是主導性我們相當的強因為我們在執法的過程就告訴你說AIS的問題你不能不修了所以這個部分我們的主導還是經由這樣的過程來產生基本上包括剛剛所講的綠能的產業 |
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我們基本上還是以經濟部才是業務主管的部門但是當有中央跨部會需要協調整合中央的地方政府需要協調整合或者是民間跟政府需要協調整合來找我們海委會的時候我們就會啟動個案的協調整合 |
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那當我們 因為當初本來是海洋部的這個構想最後變成海委會的時候就有目前的這些狀況那我們在這些狀況當中我們盡量的把它做到最好看起來就是一個協調整合的這個平台所以有許多的這個相關的主導的業務那台灣作為一個島國那四面環海 |
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看起來我們離整個海洋國家的距離還有一大段但是我們漸漸的用中長期計畫把那個主導性慢慢的就建立了很大所以剛才本席這邊提到的這個2050的這個那幾個比如說海運路線等等你們都已經納入國家中長期而且有預算的一個編列嗎 |
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譬如說科研 我們就把 譬如說近鄰轉型的學專的補助 科專的補助計畫我們就從零預算 現在變成好幾千萬的預算所以我們就藉由這一種中長期計畫我們慢慢的在建立一些主導性 |
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那謝謝就麻煩主委把剛才本席這邊講的那幾個方向那你們中長期目前有具體的在預算上還有時程的規劃上的相關計畫給本席補充好嗎那最後一個問題本席知道您也蠻關心海洋教育文化的 |
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所以我讲的比较对不起刚才那个部分补充一点所以目前海岸灾后的管理是属于营建署那污水的追踪又环境部所以你们有没有一个海域灾防的规划海域的污染是归我们 |
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但是要處理源頭的時候海域的災防當中的房屋也是歸我們這個整體性的系統有沒有可能由海委會這邊來處理但是如果是海難的話如果海域的災害是海難的話它的主導災害防救體系裡面就是中央就是交通部門 |
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這邊一個比較具體的問題主要的問題跟建議我知道你們在國研院或是你們的海洋研究中心的海洋教育也有一些相關的推動然後是不是可以給本席一些補充就是你們跟教育部的一個整合的平台跟目前大家各司其職的一個內容跟規劃那另外本席這邊很具體的提出來 |
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你們有沒有可能來設置海洋教育場域認證的地點然後提供校外教學交通補助跟師資配套的相關的這個支持呢我們來研究好不好我們在推動的海洋科學序列的這個OSS的海洋素養教育的這一塊我們當然就有我們的工作的方案那委員所說我們再進一步來了解好的謝謝主委那就請會後補充相關的資料跟做一些討論好謝謝 |
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好 我們請吳清明委員好 主席一位同仁請我們還有一位我們的管主委好 請主委委員好好 主委好 主委 |
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我早上看了很多委員大家都在關心這個海底電纜的破壞那已經有很多次了包含我們台灣對澎湖這一線還有台灣對馬祖這一線這兩線 |
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都是遭到我們的船隻破壞那這都是我們海巡在起地的方面海巡真的是很辛苦啦我早上看了大家也都是很肯定所以我們管制委你帶領海巡真的我們還是要再強硬一點讓維護我們國家的安全這是我們的重重之重 |
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那這裡針對說因為海底電纜的破壞性這大家都知道但是本席在這邊因為我們是北部選出來的因為我看我們的國家船舶實驗室興建是在興達港也是我們高雄嘛 |
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我是跟主委分享一下,是不是我們北部有基隆、淡水、土地因為海巡很多,都是總部會設在高雄嘛那我們這邊是不是也可以來設一個分部讓我們的海巡弟兄,也不要說兩地這樣奔波也不好吧 |
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那你在北部這邊我是提議說我們也是可以來設個分部也好就是船某的實驗室西龍那邊應該附地也不成問題淡水這邊應該也是OK吧那是行政法人啦行政法人 |
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現在就是要有土地還有買土如果有土地還有買土吃對我們來說我們都很高興現在也都很欠所以這就要下去研究我們現在在找北部的買土要來井家找也找也都找到群峰去才有所以群峰以外的地方有沒有可能有什麼買土什麼土地給我們用 |
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我們還真是不太了解,還有很多位置是要找到群眾才有的是啊,我說我們都著重在高雄,所以說在這個部分是不是可以我們如果是海保署,海保署其實是很需要分部啦 |
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不然就看海保署有可能來發展看海保署也太小如果海保署有需要分部的時候來瞭解這裡請委員也提供我們找到什麼地方有問題跟我們說好這是我的建議希望主委你給我們納入考量好不好是 好再來我講 |
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現在我聽王美惠委員指示說有兩部船已經要航船,經費又有問題這都很嚴重,我今天看中華民國海巡室的船 |
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錢又沒辦法拿到 還有園地 民間也有困擾啦 準風他們做準的人的負擔 我們站在那裡 他們的手柄也給我們站在那裡是啊 所以說這是很嚴重的問題啊 錢也沒辦法找時間拿到這是民間也有困難啦 對對對 在我們來說 實在是很可惜我們的力量也減少啦 因為他們都有照我們的 |
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規格程序在做的 本來11月高準的沒那麼高10月11月的年底 年底兩下大準沒那麼高這有時候去做生工業者 他的資金的問題放不下也有可能會產生很多後遺症 尤其我們是一個國家 國家的東西 |
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還沒辦法如期來解決自己很嚴重的問題這就是標明看起來不會說你現在五十多歲了把你抬一折 要算什麼 怎麼會要求但是事實不是這樣我五十多歲裡面三十九個月就是像這種的時間久了要錢給人家對 站久了金錢要付錢的是啊這去抬就變成我錢就沒多高了嗯 |
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所以這些都要去缺乏現在就沒辦法 現在又找不到方法現在也還怕說六百多億如果要賺不知道要賺多少我們賺多少這六百多億如果要求我們要賺如果說要賺二十八%如果說要賺二十八%很恐怖現在六百億下來我們如果分配就二十八% |
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所有解凍所有的凍結案中台也要報告 |
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對啊,那一棟就沒意義啊,因為那一棟都要裝台啊,還沒搞,還要台頭回來現在就用的,所以很困擾的,我們現在也,譬如說電風一鍋煲煮到現在我們也都還沒下去耶,因為你就沒沒收,就壞了壞了,壞壞壞了,台灣話叫做壞壞壞了,選擇未決啦,不是好像說,我們的海洋委員會,生水補肥都是獨特的問題啦, |
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很多我們的醫生都瘦剪 很多也是大家都跳腳所以這都是未來都要去確保所以因為畢竟人人是比我們還順 結果你又沒辦法如期來護人的錢 這都做成困擾了還有一點 我要來好 主委你先解釋 我就問海巡署署長委員好好 署長 |
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針對齁,我講齁,我好好關心講齁,我們的東沙齁,東沙現在我們海巡署的我們的同仁多少有在那?呃,詳細數字我可以保留一下,但是,將近三百。齁,這樣齁,你說齁,在三百齁,你說齁,在預算的方面齁,現在已經都縮減齁,他們講, |
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放假的期間我們過去都是有民航機在照嘛你現在政府喔考慮說民航機沒辦法照但是你要借錢回來你只要錢就要照一天啊民航機一小時所以說喔這差距太大這也是你要輸定要去缺貨啊 |
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因為這邊的採旅費,國內旅費部分,光東沙、東南沙就貸600多萬,就是說我們到今年的9月1號、10月,我們沒有給民航班,所以我們用客輪去代替,這客輪就要遭一天,22點鐘到24點鐘,所以這時間的 |
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優等 營用動員的辦法 第二點如果那時候海上不好 客輪沒開我們動員沒辦法所以這個營用很大 |
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這書中這你要去繪補 是不然你協調說我們的軍方這邊會用的他說他們會用的老母雞過去我看過去還有老母雞可以背不然你這樣做 我想說這是他們的權力你繪補的時候來回就要兩天 |
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我們請蔣冠廷委 |
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你好我們請主委 |
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主委好我看最近很多這種灰色輕勞那我們的海委會海巡署真的都辛苦了但是除了辛苦之外我們還有一部分想要請教也是跟最近美方的合作的可能性昨天我在質詢國防部部長的時候我有提到說現在美國特別是在造船業他們希望是復興造船業 |
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那針對中國在海上的侵擾不管是透過他們軍事準軍事非軍事各種手段那已經是非常嚴峻的問題那在這樣嚴峻的問題下我們有沒有足夠的船艦來去應對我想這是一個大災問 |
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因為看起來以中國的造船數量跟他們的造船實力如同我昨天引據CSIS的這個資訊也可以看得出來他大概是佔了全球大概53%那剩下就由韓國日本跟其他國家來去負擔這個船艦的製造 |
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就我所知報告中有提到說我們113年完成15艘然後58艘艇要交付高緯度的遠洋巡護船也已經動工但是我也觀察到海巡署我們現在轄下的船艦1000噸以上大型船艦大概只有14艘在2000噸到3000噸的對比中國海警的擁有的艦艇大概數量是我國的10倍 |
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也就是說在這樣的狀況之下我們要推動國建國造我們強調本土的產業鏈的建構但是同時我們也知道說在這樣的數量比例如此的不均衡的狀況之下那跟主要的盟國合作是必須且一定要盡速去做的想請教主委有沒有跟這些相關的單位來接觸過然後討論過這樣的議題 |
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跟委員報告就是說我們跟多邊的國家有進行合作但是合作的項目裡面要來包括說能夠補我們艦船艇數量不足的這個部分可能會比較困難我們目前合作的領域 |
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因為這個都涉及領海領階區主權這相關的考量但是我們鄰國甚至於遠自歐洲而來對於台灣海峽作為自由航行公海 |
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這樣的一個共識是有的那這個部分其實以去年來講大概有十個國家十個國家的艦船的軍艦航行經過那我現在講的主要是針對製造的量跟製造的部分我們剛剛提到船艦量比較不夠不知道海巡還有沒有這樣的構想 |
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就是合作這樣子跟MODO合作特別是我們的造船當然是以國艦國造為優先但是如果未來我們新的造艦計畫遇到說國內的製造的量能情況都已經滿載的情況那我們既然是開國際標當然也有可能譬如說我們的調查船 |
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都很有可能會是國外去標到都有可能但是海巡目前還是以國艦國造為我們的主軸我的意思是說以我們現在的狀況我們的海巡我們的要講艦隊也好我們的這樣子的能量 |
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它數量是夠還是不夠我想當然是不夠的因為面對中國這麼多就算我們國產我們全力去推動我們的產業鏈但是還是有一定的局限就是我們沒有辦法製造那麼多的產業但是如同我們剛才講的 |
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雖然說中國他建造的數量是我們的數以十倍但是如果我們納入我們同盟的朋友比方說日本比方說韓國比方說美國那我們的產量就可以倍增我的意思是說除了我們協助在維修上面也好 |
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在造船材料模具電供系統方面提供我們的能量讓我們的盟友能夠建造更多建造更快之外我們也要思考說怎麼樣在全球的產業鏈特別是跟我國比較友好的國家能夠讓他們協助我們也擴大我們的產業鏈我們講的產業鏈不是只有製造而已甚至我一直在強調就是說我們購買 |
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建造有沒有可能租用那確保說我們的這個在海巡的這些艦艇數量能夠有效的應對這是第一個部分所以我昨天在問這個顧部長我說有沒有想到要跟美方合作 |
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他說現在有一些東西沒有辦法揭露這個資訊但是他們有這樣的意向所以我在這邊是想問一下主委有沒有意向跟美方合作我們提供我們的這些技術也好共同去計畫也好共同去生產也好是不是把這個市場做大能夠增加我們在海巡在我們在海洋上面能夠面對灰色侵擾的能力 |
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如果是去租用船就涉及也是人的問題那我們每一年能夠培訓起來的人力也導致於我們造船的速度也等於影響到我們造船的速度 |
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所以在這個部分要來進行國際合作的時候又有區域穩定跟國安層級的問題那這個部分決策的層級可能就不在於我們海巡或者是海委會 |
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那也是一個涉及主權行使上面的國際合作的課題所以這個部分比較高度的複雜性我們會後有機會再跟委員多請教多探討看看委員的願景跟藍圖如果比較具體值得我們來學習研議考量的方向我們會來了解 |
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好 謝謝主委 謝謝好 我們請區副委員謝謝主席 有請我們管主委好 請主委局委員好 |
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主委好主委我想請教一下這個因為這陣子我們一直有發現這個在我們這個屏東仿山的這個海嵐區也有一艘坦尚尼亞的貨輪還有另外一艘柯麥隆的一個貨輪滯留半年以上那我想這個是一個非常嚴重的一個問題啦那尤其我們現在目前這個群一輪這個持續危害國安的事件我想也引起國人的高度關注那請教主委我們有沒有掌握相關的一個資訊 |
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我們對於這些全輿輪分級以後管理那海上長期滯留的目標我們都有相當程度的掌握那特定的這一艘船我們有掌握那掌握的細節如果委員有需要的話我們請署長來跟委員做說明好不好謝謝 |
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這邊特別跟委員報告那因為這輛超船就是就是我們監控的東京備忘乳裡面96艘的其中但是他是被我們評估為沒有威脅性的那第二部分就是他滯留在那個地方我們 |
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除了靠近我們的水域以後我們會請航港局以船機構管理方式來廣播它離開那不行的話我們的海巡的艦船你就會上去看那這兩艘其中有一艘我們登檢過兩次那基本上上面沒有任何的問題 |
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都有去登檢這個部分還是要請諸位多注意畢竟這個國安的問題也是國人很關注那我想還有也應該拿出一個強硬的態度來做處理就是我剛剛跟委員報告就說因為分級所以我們就有掌握那雖然說他分級沒有危險性我們還是去登檢兩次了還是要謹慎處理 |
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主委那這個部分因為我的選區有我們的小琉球那目前小琉球也是我們台灣很熱門的一個觀光的一個景點那每年大概有一百多萬的遊客那我想當然過去我們這個周邊的海域包含我們的海委會也好還有我們的大鵬灣管理處還有屏東縣政府我想大家針對這個觀光資源的保護也都應該要盡一份的責任但是我想去年我們監察院 |
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有針對這個小琉球的自然生態保育的部分有針對我們還會有提出一個糾正那主委我想這個小琉球的這個海域的一個 |
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生物的多樣性還有甚至我們一個觀光資源的保護我想主委這邊是不是應該加強來多做一些作為各位委員報告我在主持我們海委會的委員會議的時候可以說對風景管理處其實是給很大的壓力因為我也認為小琉球的生態承載量這件事情目前掌控的程度還有可以精進的地方 |
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虽然医务主管部门不在海委会但是我都透过委员会议要求一定要做生态承载量的调查重新去估算每日的可以容纳的容售的观光的人口 |
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那目前這個數字我們認為說對於生態承載量而言負擔還是很重這是一點另外就是說對於潮間帶的管理的部分我們過去也經過協調整合那屏東縣政府也非常的關心那晚近甚至於屏東縣政府對於這個潮間帶的管理都還有進一步想要化這個靜置區的計畫我們也都有參與在開會 |
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當然它受損就是珊瑚的覆蓋率受到影響這個部分確實是有但是總體來講我們在這個部分是真的是不斷的在朝向改善的方向它是朝改善的方向在走但是我們是希望能夠保護的更多 |
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對但是如果這個生態這個美景不見了我想遊客也不會去這也是我們必要跨部會來整合的一個部分那依主委的高度應該是這個來帶領這個我們相關的單位大家一起來努力我們非常重視這一塊謝謝委員關心 |
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另外今年農曆年節過後我想我這邊也接到很多起我們遠洋的漁民甚至外籍漁工在作業的時候因為生病那必須請我們這個海巡的同仁來做救援 |
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那這邊也特別感謝這個我們海巡的同仁都在第一時間能夠跟我們的漁業署能夠搭配那最快的時間能夠這個救援不過我覺得這個在處理上面因為有畢竟這個我們跟國搜中心跟漁業署這個通報之間的一個有時候一個資訊的落差所以這部分是不是應該搭一個平台來一起來努力 |
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我們目前有平台我再來瞭解委員所說的哪一個個案在資訊上造成落差這個我也很驚訝因為基本上這個平台要很順暢然後要很精確我會來瞭解因為有時候這些路途比較那個海上的時間比較長那我們必須要很精準的掌握到我們國收甚至海巡署的船艦什麼時候可以接到這個 |
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這個生病的一個漁民趕快把他後送到我們的本島來就醫啦這個時間上有一些落差 |
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像我們前幾天就是上個禮拜才來回一千多海里去介護一位中風的船長回來那跟委員報告就是說其實我也希望委員來共同來協助我的理想的構想是外交部跟農業部門對於 |
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我們補助進港的費用然後或者是去找好的保險制度來開設讓我們的漁船我們的船東有能力讓我們的這些遇到發生事情的時候可以就近在就近的第三國趕快就近去就醫像我們最近有的是他可以去關島就近就醫的 |
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都不願意主要是因為醫療費用那麼高然後進港也要費用交通也要費用所以這個部分我們來回一趟光油錢就600萬600萬我要是成為 |
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外交跟農業部門漁業部門的補助費用下去的話什麼費用都夠啊所以但是呢就卡在制度面所以這個部分也要來突破那我們已經要求召開會議協調但是協調的結果還是沒有辦法全部突破為什麼呢因為 |
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因為漁船的船員多半都非本國國籍所以我們的補助的制度就會遇到這個國籍的界限就非本國國民嘛就遇到了界限所以卡住了但是呢我最近又去公文希望再再度展開下個階段的跨部會協調整合再請委員一起來我非常認同主委的看法所以我們一起來努力畢竟這個 |
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因為千里救援本來就是我一直放在心頭所以我就會不捨說實在是每天都想說你還沒回來我不去接但是要去接又不是我們的量能做得到那種糾結很深 |
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尤其現在黑尾漁記有很多漁船在海上的作業隨時都有風險這部分我們希望趕快建立這樣的一個制度但是海巡這樣子千里救援的量能調度也都是困難所以我們都盡全力在做主委這個找時間我們再來整合一下好 謝謝委員請正面再回 |
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主席我們主委請主委主委好辛苦了謝謝首先謝謝這個 |
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我們在審查這個海洋保育法的時候這個海洋委員會給予很多的支持列政委員會都能夠共同好厲害這個法完成這個法是那對於這個法裡面有很多原住民的條款這個像第5條第8條第19條當然還有一些 |
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法則的部分也有涉及到原住民相關這前面的條文那這樣這個完成這個法之後也謝謝海洋委員會到各地區辦署名會這個我都有去了解這個要謝謝當然後續就是執行那執行這個過程當中當然有一些 |
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這個執法要訂定今天這個我來不及準備但是我看了你們的預告這個12345有五個執法正在預告之中有三個是到5月26另外就是有兩個是到6月那我之所以特別提就是 |
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當然因為很多這個鄉親不見得瞭解這個預告的程序所以不見得會去上網當然如果有相關的這些意見的話就是請這個我們海洋委員會盡量給予採納好那我們看這個海洋保育法這個第八條當然從第八條裡面 |
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這個第一項很重要的就是中央主管機關得救海洋生態系統有特別保護必要且未經其他主管機關化設為海洋保護期者化定為海洋庇護期這個部分是一個很重要的條文 |
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而這個條文裡面我有說一直要怎麼去釐清你們跟那個海岸管理法的那個界限不曉得你們有沒有跟那個內政部或是別的部會這個海域到底是從哪裡開始一般人民不清楚也許你們很清楚這個海域跟海岸 |
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這個怎麼去去劃分因為也不可能去劃線 |
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所以這個部分是一個你們再提書面的資料給我委員確實提到一個問題點因為海岸管理法有禁岸海域好的管理範圍的相關的條款如果到時候需要釐清的時候就會遇到這個問題本來我們在規劃的 |
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海域管理法草案會涉及這些各地方政府或各級政府不同的海域管理的權責要不要統一劃歸中央我們在做草案的時候有考慮這個課題 |
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但是這個課題涉及是中央地方以及中央各機關彼此之間全責要重新統整的問題我們要不要把山海裡保留給地方政府呢或者是全部收歸海域管理法中央管理呢這個問題目前因為爭議性比較大 |
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所以我們海域管理法目前草案都還沒有定調所以這中間就會包含委員您提到的海岸管理法或者是其他的保護區相關的法令都一樣都有這個問題是 |
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好這個謝謝就是要還是要釐清了那另外就是按照這個海洋保育法第八條這個所規定的這個第二項第二項第八條的第二項這個你們這個審議會組成了嗎 |
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组成了还没还没还没对对对我们执法都还没有所以这个省议会还没有成立都还没有都还在修执法所以母法也还没有实施好对那这个就是属于第二项就是第二项要定这个办法所以这个是正在是这次的依告的好 |
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那第一項跟第二項都要訂執法所以都要訂執法這個部分再請剛才我提過的我們會多注意各方面的聲音如果當初當初你們在辦說明會的時候到各地區說明會的如果他們的意見是跟這個有關係的也可以給納入我們都有回應謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝我們 好林俊賢 林俊賢 林俊賢委員不在何欣瓊 何欣瓊 何欣瓊委員不在陳初悦 陳初悦 陳初悦委員不在洪門凱 洪門凱 洪門凱委員不在我們請鍾嘉斌委員二主席 在場委員先進列席的政府居然所長 官員 會長 工作夥伴有請我們管碧玲 管主委好 請出位 |
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主委好 辛苦了 早上在研究室裡面看各位委員對我們海委會的指教我在這裡特別也肯定我們主委在這個工作上的付出尤其是最近一些灰色地帶的滋擾我們覺得後來海巡署的處置應該是有效的嚇止這些包括盜挖沙跟海覽的行為 |
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那後續可不可以請諸位簡短的說明一下後續在這兩個方面的強化作為是不是有哪些未經之處需要立法院在各種的計畫經費或是設備上的加強 |
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好 謝謝委員有關於抽砂的部分抽砂船已經現在完全不來了那我們修了屠宰法以後罰則加重非常的多那這個真的嚇阻的作用就出來了過去最多的時候一年是4000多少次 |
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所以這個部分我們有做到這個地步那最後一個判決也在前幾天二審的判決就是傳我們要給他沒入這個案大概卡了三年那另外有關海嵐的部分我們在處理的程序上有一個能夠更有效率處理的跨部會的國安程序那這個部分我們已經建立起來了那剩下來要做的包括修法的部分 |
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那修法的部分剛剛報告的是我們在跨部會應該要修法讓他更精進的那個部分我們管理這個全野輪的方法當中他AIS的問題我們要修傳播法的部分等等 |
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那22號會開第二次會議那另外我們在畫社這個海嵐範圍要去畫社要去公告那個靜茅區靜博區的這個部分是下禮拜會持續再來開會所以這些部分都有在精進 |
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那就這部分您說到修法那在修法之前相關的資訊的取得是不是受通暢因為我們都知道之前的權宜輪或者說幽靈船他們可能需要港務單位提供必要的這些船舶資料那這些部分過去我也曾經質詢過交通部跟航港局那請問我們在跨部會的部分海委會要取得這些資訊因為在修法完成之前我們需要透過更多的資訊來掌握可能的潛在對象有沒有什麼困難 |
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我們分兩個部分一個部分是說航港單位會給我們相關的資料那我們就建立黑名單那這個黑名單我們會分級有高度威脅的或低度威脅的所以這些資料的取得都沒有問題都沒有問題那另外是其實我們每天的監偵針系統我們每天的勤監偵系統我們每天都在海上看 |
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所以那個海嵐的區域我們已經特別加以密駐的情況之下有一些狀況發生我們也會主動的發現我們也會去發現到說你滯留的船舶它不在黑名單內我們還是會關注會監控那剛剛講到針尖的能力 |
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過去我在多次之前海委會的主委因為過去大部分都有海軍背景來擔任我也曾經形容海委會是我們的第二海軍又一是海巡署那這個過程當中它畢竟做一個和平的一個警戒力量過去我們有船有艦 |
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那我也曾經詢問過在有人載具的部分航空器的部分有沒有計畫要去取得必要的航空器有人航空器來作為我們提升我們艱增能力在滯空時間跟監控上像日本的海上警視廳他們都有一個這樣的一個海巡機台灣我們海委會或海巡組有沒有打算要建置這樣的機動能力 |
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我們目前當然是以無人機隊為主那到底要不要增加定義機有人機的部分沒有排除研議我們也都還有在研議之中那但是是以什麼樣的機制負擔什麼樣的功能目前並還沒有定案 |
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我瞭解這個有人機是一個龐大的工程那在這之前你們無人機的機隊現在有懸疑機我看要補充懸疑機那麼定義機也有無人載具目前在這個長滯空時機跟短滯空時機的交互運用上你們無人機的機隊的建置計畫有沒有一個短中長程的目標未來會有中長期計畫我們正在爭取然後正在審議的過程之中目前的機隊規模大概有多少是不是署長可以幫我們做說明一下我們可能 |
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形容說你可以講的部分 |
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跟委員報告我們現在要準備規劃的目前現有的機型除了我們原來建置的旋翼型的以外我們現在也有各服務組都有建置自己多軸的無人機部分那這個數量容會後再跟委員報告主委我最後一點時間 佔一點時間我是要希望也跟海巡署有一個建議是現在我們無人機的運用無人載具在台灣算是還蠻關鍵上蠻先進的 |
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那麼其實就算海巡署使用的這些無人機也不定義現用艦載機其實無人機它的一個交替使用呢你可以用陸基為基地如果你們海巡署能夠建立陸基為基地的長程的定義基去交錯配合我們這個艦載機來交替做成一個監控網的話這個部分是可以去思考的這個部分不用回答我只提供給您建言 |
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那另外一個呢就是屬於衛星的偵測部分合成孔徑雷達現在的運用很成熟那麼很多的科研機構都有在使用我相信不管在海洋保育上或者是海面的監控上那麼這樣的一個合成孔徑雷達在現在這麼多的衛星低軌道的衛星的運用上呢它已經是有一個成熟的商用市場 |
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那未來不排除海委會能夠有自己使用的這樣的一個衛星的一個時段或者一個專屬那目前呢也是可以考慮去做商用上去採購一些這種合成孔線雷達對於我們所必要的時間跟地段的監控那這兩個部分呢提供給我們主委未來在海巡業務上的做一個參考好的我們再來跟委員報告好謝謝 |
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