| IVOD_ID |
166006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166006 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-28T16:32:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-28T16:48:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90c42a9ce79e38a215062c2bb8d619a67ac07857f1cd0c552159755da4a5cb619e861c81d6c028e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:32:39 - 16:48:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月28日）二、討論事項：本院財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境五委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案等9案。（12月2日）三、11月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 我們有請院長麻煩再請左院長備詢 |
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首先我想先尋找一個問題可能也要請衛福部部長一起來 |
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就是說呢因為我們過去呢我自己是從社福團體出生的然後我們其實一直都在追求就是兒家屬這件事情我們希望有個兒少的專責機關那最近呢大家也看到了兒家屬的成立那許多的兒少團體也來這邊跟我表達他們的好奇跟他們的擔憂所以我這邊就要來詢問一些比較細節的問題因為其實我們現在 |
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其實我們現在從看到的一些新聞還有架構來看就是兒家屬依然是屬於衛福部底下的一個三級機關可是過去我們一直在講不僅是兒少福利也好 家庭支持也好還有像是兒虐防治 兒少隱私就是最近這幾年我們的社群文化 社群平台網路安全的問題也是一個非常大的問題還有過去我自己非常強調的兒少參與權 兒少遊戲權其實都橫跨了許多的部會 |
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好 那這個事件議題就變成說跨部會的溝通要來如何進行是大家非常非常擔心的部分所以不曉得說我們目前針對這樣子的一個跨部會的規劃是什麼 |
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跟委員大概簡單說明一下這一次在總統跟院長的指示之下我們先做業務的整合讓事權統一然後以人為中心的整合方式所以先把散在在我們部裡面的各個不同單位有關兒童的業務從兒童健康先整合整合之後才有一個統一的單一窗口來做跨部會不然過去的話還要分工 |
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對 可是因為三級機關已經有了一個那就是它是一個獨立的這個已經是三級機關所以它就等於是衛福部的窗口所以跨部會協調的部分就很清楚就是這個署來負責做對口 |
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這樣就對跨部會的協調上就更有效率不然的話像現在的做法還要根據這次要談什麼事情來指定某一個單位那就掛一路腕了或者每次就要找好幾個單位但我想這個跨部會的溝通過去在社交署的時候也是很辛苦啦那到底是到未來這個衛部這邊相關我們的政委或行政院也會來協助一些相關的跨部會溝通嗎現在有這樣子的規劃嗎 |
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跨部會的部分畢竟協調有些事情還是需要到另外一個高度這個目前是有這樣子的規劃嗎政委會來協助或是院這邊會來協助政委會來協助是嗎好那我想要再來請教一下人力跟相關的預算編制又是什麼因為從最近釋放出來的一些訊息看起來都蠻像醫療面向所以這也是大家擔心的會不會是偏重醫療但是輕攝服所以我想了解一下現在我們的人力預算我們有沒有一個基本的規劃那我們的一些組織 |
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要說法的部分預計什麼時候會送出來我們應該是在下個禮拜就會把我們的組織法簽報到行政院來進行審查那人力跟預算的部分現在有一個初步的規劃可以 |
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我们是有两个阶段第一个阶段是组织法组织法下来之后有处务规程那处务规程就会涉及到这个人力的编制那组织法是先就任务这个署的任务先把它做理定理定之后呢就会开始进行处务规程我懂你意思了那我想这边就是做一个提醒啦那这个希望就是到时候我们在儿少的这块相关的业务呢也是可以得到足够的重视一定 |
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對 那再來下一個問題就是我要請教這個院長 |
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我們在106年開始推動了兒少未來教育及發展賬戶就是簡稱的兒少賬戶當時開辦的一個方向其實就是要保護我們的弱勢兒少讓他們得到足夠的經濟支持那也符合許多的一些國家的一個相關的研究其實許多的研究也都是說不管是對弱勢的照顧都可以對社會的回報有7到12美元或是有3到6個百分點 |
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降低它未來成為弱勢的一個機會但是我想要講的一個重點是說我們現在符合資格的只有5萬人可是根據一些官方數據或統計的資料屬於落在邊緣戶的小孩大概有70到90萬戶 |
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所以我想在这些孩子面临财务压力之下他还是会有影响到他的一个发展机会那此外呢我自己也看到像这个佩里幼儿园的一个计划他指的是说只要小孩子从早一点哦也不仅针对弱势哦及早得到支持的话他不仅是他的就业率会变高收入也会变高他的犯罪率跟福利的依赖度都会大幅降低所以我觉得这是一个很好的方向那我有再看到了就是这个英国呢 |
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还有新加坡也都有一些很不错的一个基金的一个规划对于所有的孩子是所有的孩子像这个英国儿童的信托基金呢基本上就是你只要一出生就会给你一个250磅低收入的儿童会再额外多250磅那七岁呢就再增加250万那低收入当然同等的追加那最高的上限是到了1000英镑 |
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所以他等於是讓他們也統計了這個整個支出只有佔GDP的0.03%那每一英鎊的投資呢可以產生4.7英鎊的邊際效益所以就是驗證了社會投資國家的一個理念可行性那接下來呢在新加坡也有一樣的類似的一個計畫他是從0到12歲他建立了一個專用資金來支持他們在教育上面或是發展的一個需求 |
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所以你只要他一出生的時候呢政府就會幫他提供一筆初始津貼 |
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第一胎或是第二胎就是五千新幣第三胎以上就是一萬塊新幣那這筆錢就是自己就會存進去然後新加坡也在2020年被經濟學人評為是全球最適合孩子出生成長的地方十大地方之一所以我想請教院長就是說我們一直在講我們要投資兒少我們要國家跟家長一起養 |
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那我們其實投資兒殺就是投資國家的未來我們要整個孩子整個社會都會得到好處那甚至他也可以建立跟我們這個青年百億圓夢基金串聯出一個很好的一個發展路徑所以我現在有個想法跟院長聽聽看我們就是0到18歲我們也可以開戶啦然後那對弱勢也有提供相對的一個撥款那年息3%一年呢大概是300億 |
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我們就可以提供我們孩子一個更好的未來提供給國家一個更安全的社會不曉得院長有沒有支持我這樣子的方向是不是我們可以開始往這個方向前進我先請問一下存款的上限這個350元是來自一個月 政府謝謝委員這樣的建議跟提醒我們知道在兒童未來儲蓄帳戶 |
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前面這個階段所做的為什麼執行率我們認為不夠理想因為他對象設定了對象設定之後就影響到開戶的意願跟家庭的能力所以很清楚因此行政院也本來在構想我們如何來擴大更多的對象 |
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能夠讓更多的人可以在沒有條件限制情況下能夠來參與才能夠擴大我們的服務的對象像委員所說的這個也是其中一種考量政府要考量現在中央政府的整個財政的能力我們可以在這項項目上面能夠提出多少的財政資源那所有的小孩是不是可以都把它 |
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更有系統的納進來給他將來有一定成長的期間當中歲月當中給他一定固定的一些金額也讓他嘗試對理財觀念的從小建立所以我這樣聽起來院長我們的確是有在往這個方向在考量是不是那我們是不是可以大概有多少的多久之後我們可以來去追蹤相關的一個進度或是有一些方案可以讓我們這邊來了解一下 |
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我們是多元在進行一方面把這個想法更精緻化一方面我們要確定整個國家的財源中央地方的財源要先以確定之後我們才能知道說那政府可以拿出多少的財政能力來支持這樣的家庭能夠把多少的對象納進來如果中央的能力更大納進來的對象就更多 |
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好那我了解院長我們現在是支持往這個方向前進對不對好那我還有第二個提案第二個提案呢就是說呢我們現在0到6歲的家長呢托育補助和育兒津貼是擇一請領的也就是說你有把小孩送托我給你個托育補助如果你自己帶小孩我給你育兒津貼可是在歐洲國家他們其實是說你只要出生小孩你就可以拿一個育兒津貼不管你有沒有送托你都可以先拿一筆育兒津貼 |
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所以這樣子等於是說家長可以得到更好的支持所以我也提出了一個版本就是說如果我們現在根據我們每一個家長都可以 只要你有生小孩你就可以領這個五千塊的每月的津貼的話每年大概是609億 |
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然後呢如果我們今天配合CPI或是民間大家也有期待是可不可以到1萬塊每個月領1萬塊大概是1,219億聽起來很多但是呢但是我跟院長說明就是我們過去一直在講我們兒少預算跟其他OECD國家比起來我們一直都只有2%其實是比原比平均的6%要來的低如果今天我剛剛講的300億放下去還有我們這個每個月1萬塊放下去 |
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我們其實我們的整個國家在兒少的預算其實也只不過到4.26%其實還沒有到這個世界的平均標準但是已經會讓家長很有感那是不是我們可以也來往這個方向前進呢院長您的想法我們曾經想過分三個階段一個就是多生育 |
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養育幫教育那我們會放比較大的力道在幫助多生育給生育的補助比現在能不能提高那麼在助養育這個部分我們現在這個現在在0到6歲這個托育的政策已經 |
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基本上雛形完成了那我們可以在這裡加更大的力道讓您剛剛說的這個或許這是一個方式或者是我們補助更多這是一個部分那麼在幫教育的部分現在我們很多到高中以下學費都免了但是能不能 |
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给多一点的类似这个学习的奖金类似这样子做所以我听起来院长其实已经有在帮家长多想一些生育的补助营养金跟教育的奖金有三个阶段那这个东西就是事后我们会来继续来追应该是会是由卫福部这边来负责吗对不对 |
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對嗎我們會來一起部長有參與討論過 他很清楚的好 那非常感謝那我再進入我的最後一題就是非常非常重要網路安全的問題我們現在跨境數位平台已經大量的去蒐集推送擴散我們孩子的影像跟個資可是我們的制度沒有辦法保護我們的小孩更可怕的一件事情是國際研究顯示一個13歲的孩子進入TikTok只要3到4個小時 |
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這個帳號就會開始給他自殺自殺憂鬱的內容而且我們現在9到12歲有一半的小孩都已經在使用TikTok所以呢這些平台呢把我們的孩子呢是用一個最強大的方式去黏著他可是卻不考慮他的安全就會變成是越小的孩子越脆弱的孩子越容易被演算法抓住不放那其實現在世界各國都在積極的面對 |
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這個T-talk的問題不管是開罰或是禁用等等的所以我想問一下這個影響到我們孩子身心健康影響到我們兒少隱私的這樣子的一個短影音平台T-talk這樣的短影音平台行政院是否已經承認它是對我們的兒少隱私跟身心健康是一個高風險的APP呢 |
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我們從很多的案例看起來都是知道這個這個平台對青少年兒童在他的習慣閱讀習慣上網習慣以及他本身的生活上面都發生了極大極大的影響而且是不良的影響居多所以我們認為啊應該要請 |
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平台我們要管理但對TikTok這個平台到目前為止他沒有接受我們要管理的任何意願但是我們還是要加大力道想辦法來做更多的精進改善我希望我們的政府要更多的精進喔因為他真的是傷害了孩子的健康而且是生命安全這是家長絕對無法接受的所以我也希望我們要更積極的實質的手段來去限制像這樣子的平台來接觸而上 |
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特別是12歲以下的孩子那另外我也想要再補充一件事情就是說也需要衛福部很大力的來協助因為根據俄福聯盟在2019年的調查84%的家長都曾經上傳孩子的照片21%是有裸露身體的照片 |
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还有我们的孩子已经大量的在使用了这些数位平台可是有半数都不知道数位足迹也就是他们以为删除就没事了甚至随手拍就把自己的同学就拍上网了那就造成后面的制服地图 儿少性剥削等等的问题可是家长从来都没有跟孩子讨论过 |
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所以等於是說政府我們現在對平台要有管制可是我們對於家長應該也要有一些協助還有我們應該要對兒少法跟個資法要進行修法所以我想要請教我們對於這樣子的議題上面我們是不是已經有在做相關的修法那什麼時候會提出修法的版本 |
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跟委員說明這個也要加強對這個新手或者是普遍性的這個父母的教育因為賽娃這個事情都沒有去注意到這個是要要教育他們可能不是有意但是卻是在無心之中暴露了這個孩子的影像所以這個要加強效應這我們會努力來做那至於在這個 |
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上了這個平台那麼不應該那麼傳播這件事情其實在兒少法裡面有相關的規範對 但是我們現在兒少法69條有一些但兒少法的問題在於它現在是孩子受害才會處理如果沒有受害的時候就不會所以我們其實應該要加強這個針對於一般兒少的保護所以我希望是說我們可以盡快提出修法 |
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好 謝謝張雅琳委員 |