| IVOD_ID |
166004 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166004 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-28T16:01:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-28T16:17:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90c42a9ce79e38a7d19e07ee104006f67ac07857f1cd0c552159755da4a5cb628a6dcfce92d83dc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:01:18 - 16:17:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月28日）二、討論事項：本院財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境五委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案等9案。（12月2日）三、11月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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范雲委員請準備謝謝主席韓院長 卓院長各位先進有請行政院的韓院長以及環境部的本部長兩位麻煩再請卓院長 環境部長備詢 |
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賴委員好新國務院長你這樣做到我開始很怕命但是你前幾天講的話你跟民進黨團說他們有無力感你會不會有無力感有啊你有無力感挫折挫折是不會啦委屈委屈 談不上就是很多事情總認為可以順利做的 |
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有些事情想應該可以很順利去做的事情卻當中產生了很多的破綻你這個東西銅板沒有兩個打不響啦你對立法院八次提呼籲這就是八次打立法院的巴掌老實講你聽我講我們是被動的我再強調一遍我執行請你先不要插嘴我講我讓你講 |
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這個行政院如果真的我們等了一年多你那時候可以在我們立法院111411月14號討論的時候拿進來啊那時候不拿進來這個通過以後如果那時候拿進來某年我要看某年我要看 大家好好討論結果你這樣人家通過了然後你再提復議啊大概復議我們就否決大概復議我們就否決 |
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欸 老實說 我都很同情你啊怕也怕沒啊 對不對啊 每次回家 問的也輸 問的也輸啊 還給你面容不叫也不撞 攔腳頭不回啊你是撞了攔牆 還不回你就是這樣 |
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我聽你可憐啦 讓我回答一句11月14號通過的案子我在11月11號禮拜二在這裡的質詢我就說我下個禮拜四 院會會通過我們要院版 那是下禮拜四可是我禮拜二講 禮拜五這裡就通過了我有什麼辦法這個不是我的重點齁我看你可憐 讓你紓解一下 |
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我希望韓院長能夠幫忙 韓院長也想幫忙我知道 |
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當然除了可能還是要給你鼓勵你很怕拼但是都用錯地方來看一下喔COP28 今年是COP30讓全球核能產量在2025年翻三倍翻三倍世界的COP |
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歐盟的核能佔28%、23%台灣佔多少 現在是零 壓蛋氣候變遷績效指標CCPI評鑑全世界63個國家台灣在2026排名59名63個國家排名59非常差 Very low |
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這件事情我就要問了 只是環境部長站在這裡還亂講話大家引進盼望 脖子伸長長的啦就你看 河河山河山比較簡單啦 開始你們開始做安全啦 安全啦開始要給他這個可能會給他演繹大概一年半以後是不是就安檢會通過是不是 |
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他正通過河安會提出的可以再運轉的計畫那麼現在是台電提出一個自主安全檢查只要這進入那個程序之後依照台電的說法是這個程序開始之後可能是一年半至兩年那麼再送請河安會來做最後的核定所以我們可不可以這樣講我們可以預計2027年河山可以重啟是不是可以這樣 |
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在安全無虞的狀況底下 它整個設備如果當中有必須太舊換新的一些設備 必須安全無虞比較樂 我就這樣講好了 最樂觀的情況我們可以期待2027河山營利 是不是可以這樣講對 2027 |
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如果安全都無虞的狀況底下你要很快的說 YES YES YES I DO因為對你選舉有幫助啦我不是考量選舉 我考量的是核安安全不能是考量選舉 考量是核能的安全如果核能安全都無虞 是可以往這個時程來做規劃的核澳我們希望盡快 核澳比較慢一點 因為他比較複雜來 我就請教彭部長 你有沒有參加COP30 |
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有沒有包委員我必須尊重那個我們外交的特別的處境我有多元的參與你有參與啦我有多元的參與但是呢歷屆環境部長都有參與喔張子晉有參與薛復聖有參與工研院用NGO的觀察委員你去了喔你去Brazil 去巴西啊你為什麼不參加外交部的觀念呢 |
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報告委員我有參加一些很重要的活動但是因為我必須要顧及這個非常難得的這個我們創造出來的機會所以我必須尊重當地的支持我們的國際的朋友報告委員那個晚宴有非常多元我只是沒有參加某一個晚宴而已 |
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但是我必須說最正式的你沒有參加喔喔 這個我還有更正式的沒有沒有 最正式的你沒有參加喔喔 還有更正式的你參加的名字是什麼不好意思 因為這個我必須要尊重當地非常支持我們的外國的朋友啊 奇怪以前的部長參加WHAminister of Health |
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巴西其實他這個國家的處境跟別的國家是不大一樣的巴西比較怕勞工巴西比較怕勞工就這個意思我不能這樣說但是我們有很多支持我們的人這個意思啊我們也必須支持我們的人聽好喔 我們的官員沒有肩膀都托持 |
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喔沒有 委員我們是發揮到我們的極致你宣誓 你當部長宣誓喔在立法院要講實話知無不言 言無不盡你要講實話 你現在是蓋牌講謊話 |
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我沒有講謊話 我們真的是積極多元的去參與但是這個是難得在國際上給我們一個非常好的參與的機會我必須去尊重 支持我們國際上的朋友來啦 這樣的Banquet 這樣的晚宴有幾個啦你告訴我 參加幾個啦有幾個 你參加幾個喔 非常多個 而且我們...喔 非常多個 你參加一個啊你就參加一個而已啊正式的話 這個沒有參加啊 就這樣啊 |
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我們那個是正式的 我們有正式的活動你都不說 你說這樣就正式 黑的正式報告委員 因為我們台灣的外交處境如果沒有人這樣 我知道啦 我知道啦你不可以這樣說啦 你說有挫折到40號對岸就好了這台灣的關係很好做的啦 現在台灣的關係很好做在馬前總統時代以前也是這樣啦這個不是我們願不願意的主觀的問題我的時間有限 請回 請回 |
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這個我對你回答是很失望的歐巴委員你剛才說的COPR你說的是有錯誤的因為COPR28並沒有說核能三倍只是某些國家但是再生能源是提高三倍好了 請回我的資料都是很準的這個在昨天嘛昨天在今天我們總統說了一點二五兆的國防特別預算是全數舉賽嗎 |
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全數舉債嘛 特別預算可以用舉債可以用稅計剩餘稅計剩餘現在是零啦那就是全部舉債啦全部舉債那什麼意思那就告訴我們一點澳兆除以2300萬人一人5.43萬每一個人大大小小都要負擔5.43喔 |
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那是八年的期間 八年的期間 八年的期間那是很多錢喔 顧立雄有說 顧立雄說注意看 美方還沒有完成國會程序國防部已機密專案報告向立法院說明也就是你們通通用機密 一點澳照通通要機密 通通要黑箱 |
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不是委員你在國會這麼多年你應該知道軍事採購跟外國採購他有一定的流程他有一定的機密可以跟國會報告的一定充分報告回顧一下我在立法院這麼久 F16特別預算前面 |
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50億左右是機密後來全部都公開了所以前面還是有機密F16因為它是單項的採購現在是多項的採購內容會比較多元這個院長 |
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你現在給外面的感覺現在本來這個賴總統說了喔!2027老公要打台灣了現在現在就準備這個總統府已經很清楚的說明過經委員依照總統府的正確說法 |
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但是我們都是揭露賴清德總統的說法不是 總統府的說法就是總統的說法這要是正確的說法正確的說法 那個話說出去說不回來 所以 |
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賴清德總統說假訊息他講謊話正確的是得準備他原來用第一次講的時候得準備沒有講所以老實講他應該要向全民道歉或者是他要自己再對說明他原來是口誤都可以沒關係 |
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人會講錯話嘛 講壞了他的意思就是如此但是呢 你怎麼會是臉書小編把它改呢這樣一個的準備是你去改的總統一國之尊怎麼可以這樣小編就把它改這才是總統真正原來的意思他的意思 但是他嘴巴這樣就不是這樣講每一台 電視台每一台還有包括綠媒把它錄出來就是2027完成公台的公台啊沒有的準備啊 |
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委員已經知道總統真正的意思所以以後就請委員依照總統真正的意思來對我們所有的國人做說明我們hearing is believing聽到的就相信賴總統說賴總統說中共完成2027公台那委員還是沒有照正確的講法啊 |
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這個不要這樣拗啦講錯話沒關係不能這樣拗老實講賴清德總統最好的方式就是應該出來講清楚而不是靠小編幫他加三個字的準備太垮了但是我要跟你強調一個東西這個案子典型的選舉要到了 |
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老公也沒有啊老公從來沒有一個時間表2027是他的建軍的短期目標2027他沒有講2027要打台灣從來沒有講過美國的實力防衛實力什麼印太防衛實力是為了想要他們得到一些的經費所以就把這個時間抓出來說這一天要打台灣老公從來沒有講這個話給我講這句話 |
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總統拿這個 主要中間都很清楚嘛讓我把話講完要一天25兆這麼多的錢 400億美金我們要投資 關稅談判要投資4千億美金現在整個要送400億美金到底我們要給多少他才蠻力啦台積電也去了啊 機密也投了配合美國機密送給這個英特爾我們台灣到底要被拋空到什麼地方他才敢玩 |
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台積電是產業自主的投資那軍購是基於國防需要那我們針對我們的財政能力所做的一階計算跟購買計畫來來來 衛福部長麻煩請衛福部長備詢你都準備打仗了我不知道你他我們的邏輯啦 要打仗了我們的醫療準備好沒好 |
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我找到一個數字台灣的健保全世界第一台灣的健保全世界第一但是這個最新資料 |
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時間暫停 待會是要等資料的時間繼續 |
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2023年就是最新最update全球生物製藥的韌性指數排名台灣第11名我們健保是第一名這個製藥第11名比較新加坡第5名韓國第12名這個資料來源是什麼資料來源是Global Health Security Index GHS Index |
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903.13 |
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OECD統計來 大家看這個示標第一個 每千人的醫生傳輸不夠醫療用品供應鏈不夠這個營運的韌性都不夠等等的其實這裡面我最想問的就是你準備暫時有沒有準備地下醫院我兩年前問了薛樂園兩年後 兩年來有沒有做哪些東西 |
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跟委員報告我們確實有一些新建醫院朝向有地下的作業的能力像南部的新的醫院也有中部現在也在規劃北部也在規劃 |
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另外就是像這個以色列一樣有時候是把地下的停車場可以做平站的轉換所以這也是一種運作方式我跟院長講啦 我聽你講院長 打仗會傷人 打仗會死人啦這個你的錢 一兆兩千多億要多一些錢給衛護部啦要多一些給衛護部 |
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960.6 |
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好 谢谢赖斯保 |