| IVOD_ID |
166000 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166000 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-28T14:30:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-28T15:02:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:32:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90c42a9ce79e38aea5d62fdcdb15c4867ac07857f1cd0c5a04f4f09a3c71eaf7bd1442b9f89c7a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳菁徽 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:40 - 15:02:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月28日）二、討論事項：本院財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境五委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案等9案。（12月2日）三、11月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝榮介委員請準備謝謝院長還有謝謝我們來自高雄的學生們剛看到認識的人那我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢我可以關心一下為什麼勞動部長不在嗎 |
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各位同學這第一次發生過去從來沒有發生過大家不要誤會同學上課沒有知道 |
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那卓院長你要不要先回去坐一下卓院長您是不是要先休息一下為什麼部長沒有到對我下去查一下好 院長您請坐跟各位同學介紹我們議場還有兩位立法委員一個桃園大溪地區的邱若驊委員一個嘉義的王玉明委員 |
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我們立法院女性立委佔47% 將近一半是是是 到了到了陳委員可以繼續質詢好 那我們請 麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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首先我们要探讨一下上一次四月我曾经给你示警因为我说龙年已经低于兔年的生育率那现在第一年的蛇年然后一二三月又非常的低迷所以四月的时候我曾经告诉您说我们一定要立刻拿出策略立刻拿出战略否则会非常的惨你当时提到有一个13万的保卫战我现在播给您看 |
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在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過 |
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看完這段影片我想問院長你想要把13萬保衛戰下修為11萬保衛戰嗎因為早上我有聽到其他委員有問你截至今年的10月我們只有淡下9萬的新生兒 |
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13萬的保衛戰是我們在去年按照去年一整年的評估我們認為今年應該保13萬但是很遺憾的距離我們想要保的這個數字我可以稍微問一下您是用什麼方式評估的嗎因為我這邊也有一些 |
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比如說去做產檢的管道啊專門做一些基因檢測的管道他們有他們自己的AI運算系統他們都已經告訴我說今年可以達到11萬就已經謝天謝地我想知道您運用的因為我們是AI內閣啊AI內閣應該現在產檢的人你就幾乎可以預測到明年生出來的人所以你是用什麼模式去算出你今年應該有13萬保衛戰我們是在去年我們知道去年是龍年 |
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去年的生產大概13萬4千來幾千我們認為農年會比較高農年過之後會有往下掉的趨勢當然我也知道用科學的根據來測試預估是一個很好的方式但是我願意在去年我是給閣員一個更高漲的壓力希望大家能夠想出好的對策或是讓國人能夠有這種 |
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願意結婚願意生小孩願意來好好的駕養他的這種觀念所以我們是一個比較高難度的目標那我這邊可以具體建議您是不是回去跟數位部還有衛福部研究一下因為你們是AI內閣基本上你們可以去預測明年的出生數並且一直滾動式調整你們的戰略跟策略嘛對不對是我們現在後來我們是下修到12萬的保衛戰那還是沒有保住那你覺得今年會到12萬嗎是有困難的 |
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有困難嗎 好那今天其實我會花蠻大的篇幅因為我本身是做這個領域的所以我會花很大的篇幅我也希望我們兩個可以共同激發出一些想法真的可以對我們的少子女畫有幫助好 下一張我們要看一下這個是我們推動八年的少子女畫 |
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當初寫得非常好聽我們希望119年的生育率可以達到1.4結果我們這樣子看下來這8年生育率是從1.05一路掉到0.89我們先姑且不論這些預算的執行率了因為生育率就是最好的執行率 |
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左邊是計畫執行8年執行率越來越差生育率碼右邊就是我們少子化對策計畫的實施期間我們把它分成四個面向第一個就是有生的人越來越少 |
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再来是生一胎生二胎生三胎的人都越来越少好我们再来看你的对策计划呢我也看了审计部的检讨报告针对几个面向比如说0到6岁国家养职场儿童健康还有友善主要友善家庭的配套等等的这些跟各部门都有关系你有没有发现一个最大的重点在哪里 |
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我們看標題標題你如果依照審計部對你做的分析你八成的錢幾乎都放在0到6歲全面照顧但是我們0到6歲的人一直在萎縮我們一直在萎縮我們應該是育齡年齡育齡族群怎麼樣可以願意生是現在這個整個對策你115年應該還會再提新的吧 |
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我們之前也討論過我想未來的整個戰略思考是從生育養育教育第一個多生育第二個 |
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助 幫助的助 助養育第三個 幫教育重點在多生育我們要把多的力量集中在多生育這個領域今天我也會切四個面向跟您做一個分析還有討論第一個 我們來看這個族群的人他非常的願意生我們感謝他都來不及了但是他需要科學的幫忙那上次我問你的進度是這樣子 |
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所以至今呢你們說當時你們手上就已經備好兩個版本了那現在已經過了四個月了我是希望知道說什麼時候行政院才可以送到立法院這樣子的你們早就準備好的版本 |
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因為這個人工生殖法 政府委員所提的我們是經過預告然後聽了很多的聲音以後其實部長您很簡單的給我大概一個月 兩個月 三個月 半年稍微給我一個數字就好大家關心這個議題的人是想要知道一個時程應該在下個會期前會下個會期以前 好 |
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邱前部長口中所說的下個會期以前就是我們目前的這個會期 |
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我想說的是其實這也是你們行政院端出來的政績我也感同身受因為像上次我有看張家俊委員質詢包括我自己本人我們就是願意生的我們只是需要一點科技的幫忙你們說從110年7月上路到現在滿4年成功的生下了3萬個寶寶所以他是真的實打實的增加了寶寶但是有一個族群用不到你有看到嗎 |
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現行的人工生殖法它的版本就是規定需要一夫一妻才可以用剛有講到說大家都很在意的脫鉤版本也是目前最有共識最沒有爭議最具社會溝通的版本本來說這個會期以前就會提出來這邊我希望請洪聖漢部長可以上來 謝謝 |
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我們來看一下當然洪聖漢部長應該也都記得他的提案說明但是也請部長稍微告訴院長一下不同黨派的委員所提出來的版本到底有什麼共通點呢 |
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你還記得嗎就是你希望單女跟同志同婚跟單婚的女性那你還記得當時你覺得為什麼你要提出這樣子的版本嗎 |
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我幫你念 您說到說許多國家已開放單身女生採用人工受孕碼所以應納入單身女性這符合我們目前的國情還有同性別的兩人雖然可以締結婚姻卻無法依照人工生殖法進行生育補助現在問題來了 您請回座現在問題來囉 |
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大家都有共識的這個版本可是這群人會很急因為你已經講了你要擴大補助但是你擴大了補助他依照法規是用不到的那下一頁我請你看一下早上你也有一再的對陳昭之委員講到社會溝通社會溝通 |
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這個不管是民團各黨派的委員行政院國發會衛福部還有這些民團等等的幾乎都已經有共識了所以我只想問你三件事情第一個邱前部長的話到底還算不算數第二個他現在是不是躺在行政院他躺在行政院哪裡第三個這個一改再改送進立法院的日期您今天可以給一個答案嗎不然我們幾乎每次總質詢都在問一樣的 |
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好的 這個針對同婚跟單身女性可以說人工生殖這個立場沒有改變第二個 那個法案沒有躺在行政院我們還在積極的來尋求更大的共識那衛福部前部長所說的現在石部長也極力的在推動我們也希望時程上能夠取得共識的時候就能夠推出來 |
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那水部長你要說嗎我剛已經跟你看幾乎大家都有共識了是誰沒有共識跟委員報告我們之前這個有預告過那當然多數的意見沒有分歧的還是在這個代理運母啦 |
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那如果脫鉤的版本的部分呢我從一開始放的影片就是脫鉤目前已經在行政院應該在年底之前就會完成審查好那現在11月就是兩個月內你們預計從行政院送來立法院是OK好謝謝那下一個議題我想要跟您探討的是到底我們115年要提的方向你應該怎麼去修正好這個圖我相信院長部長應該都已經看到 |
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很熟悉了啦我們從2001年到2011年到2021年你會發現這個不生育的人越來越多或者是不結婚的然後晚生晚育或是幾乎就不生嘛所以我們應該要去push的就是你剛講的第一個重點就是育齡年齡的低生育率為何育齡族群我早上有稍微聽到一點點請問你覺得最重要的三點是什麼 |
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我覺得第一個要讓大家敢婚願意結婚因為結婚的生小孩的比例應該比沒有結婚的高但現在這個社會這個要有一種社會的氣氛跟共同認為說結婚生小孩那不是一個責任而已那是一個對人類來講是重要的一個延續那對我們來講政府要提供的是如果在多生育這個過程當中我們會加大各種補助的力道 |
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生出来的小孩我们协助他帮他能够教养在这个教养上面教育跟养育我们都要来协助我现在综合了非常多的视调我找了一个最浅显易懂的表格给您看你只要记得六个字 |
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就是薪資工時還有房價薪資工時房價這是我看了無數的調查還有無數的研究是生育族群沒有辦法跨向下一步的原因我們先姑且不論結不結婚因為你們等一下說12月要提出來的人工生殖法 |
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基本上你已經有一個婚姻脫鉤的這種概念在了你可能也覺得說我們沒有辦法永遠把婚姻跟生育綁在一起嘛結婚又沒有適合的年紀結婚有時候你可能在人生比較晚期遇到你願意結婚的人但是育齡的確是有他的年紀的限制嘛所以我請院長把這三個字放在心中薪資工時還有房價 |
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落成我們實際的政策我們現在就是育嬰的流停的彈性運用第二個我們推出婚育宅第三個對於生育的補助不到10萬的補到10萬這或許能夠稍微貼近委員所說的那至於說育嬰工時還有待遇是不是薪水薪資啦那薪資我們在全國在網上調的速度是逐年在加快的 |
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我們這邊因為講到了工時 薪資等等我們就請紅山部長可以先上來一下嗎這個是省紀部給你們的意見我們來看省紀部看了你們的少子化8年他就提到說育齡的族群逾五成未婚不利提高生育率這邊我問了很多人 |
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他們就說怎麼行政院的回應會是積極舉辦單身聯誼活動我在這邊想請教不好意思洪部長因為上次我們在委員會有幫你說生日快樂所以您也很受同仁的愛戴當時聽到同仁說您是現在部會的黃金單身漢我想問洪部長如果行政院辦了這個單身聯誼活動您會參加嗎 |
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我想這裡不討論我私人的問題那剛剛我講的因為你是勞動部部長我一直請院長把重心放在薪資房價還有工時請問這三點你會不會覺得是first priority要幫這個育齡族群解決的 |
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我想就我們在行政院其實在討論少子化的政策裡面的確都是在想怎麼樣給育齡的勞工有更多經濟上的支持那也包括怎麼讓這個職場更有彈性然後能夠去包容或兼顧照顧小孩或育兒的需求我想都是在這個方向上好 謝謝洪部長你可以請回座 謝謝 |
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那右邊他已經明確指出幾乎每一個調查房價跟薪資都是最重要的可是這邊行政院的回覆也是給予說他沒有明確的管考機構沒有明確的主責機構所以應該要怎麼改善這個我等等跟你討論如果沒有一個主責你說舉辦單身聯誼就是我們說的怨婚感生樂養我也曾經感慨過 |
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999.736 |
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到行政院一年半了過去政府各級單位經常在辦那些大型的集團結婚我到行政院一年半了我從來沒有參加過中央跟地方所舉辦的大型集團結婚表示結婚這個事情在現在這個社會是嚴重被忽略的我們如果有一個力道讓大家能夠公開來響應這個事情再配合政府的政策能不能帶動我先跟你說現在所有的這些調查 |
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1025.931 |
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目前的年輕人認識人並不難認識人並不難但是我們要讓育齡的族群願意跨出下一步不管是結婚或是生育都好那再來我就是要跟您討論一些很具體的建議剛有提到有一群人很想生但是他必須要靠科技我們要幫忙他第二個族群就是說育齡的年齡你如何要讓他願意從0到11到22到3嘛 |
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這邊是我看了衛福部的政策我覺得可以依照我們目前的國情去做修改的我想請教一下衛福部部長您知道您的下轄有一個兒童及少年未來教育與發展帳戶嗎有是對中低收入戶的家庭的孩子在18歲以前的一個帳戶政府跟家長一起對存 |
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我跟院長簡單的說他其實就是針對中低收入戶的家庭一出生他就先幫你存一萬塊可是他會先問你要不要開戶並且你要去進行這個開戶的動作接下來你們就對存每個月500對存或是1000或是1250所以我算了一下如果你每個月都算到1250存滿18年這個孩子大概會有五四萬的第一桶金他可以幫助弱勢的孩子 |
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1108.303 |
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翻轉還有累積他的資本他不論去創業或是去讀書都好可是他從106年開辦至今七年多了你知道現在的開戶率是多少嗎大概是三萬三萬多戶綠因為我們的目標大概符合資格大概是五萬多那開戶的是三萬多 |
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就蠻慘的我們從一開始去做106年開戶率是30%然後到112年是60那我們再去分縣市比如說高雄他的開戶率大概只有五成而且這五成裡面有15%的人他最後沒有繼續存下去了這個政策利益非常的良好但是他沒有辦法走下去的原因我們也去調查了各地的社會局等等去訪查嘛 |
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1157.436 |
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第一 這個流程很繁瑣他必須在這個工作之餘主動去做這件事情然後第一統經進去嘛第二 他可能沒有足夠的誘因去續存好 那我就去看了世界各國其他的方法那在這邊就希望給院長一個建議 |
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1179.137 |
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新加坡還有英國都有做這樣子的兒童專門的儲蓄計畫以及照顧新加坡是這樣而且他這個月還有一個新的政策推出意思是說只要你不分你是哪一種的家庭你一生出一個小孩我就問你要不要幫你開戶所以他的開戶率是97% |
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OK 开完了以后他就先帮你存5000的新币进去当这个宝宝的第一桶金不管你是要怎么付如果你生第一胎最后两个人对存可以增加4000新币如果你觉得他帮助到你了你要生第二胎第二个宝宝两个人对存可以存到多7000的新币 |
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第三胎他們現在也是面臨非常嚴峻如何讓二變三第三胎他第一桶金直接從五千變一萬五千變一萬以外呢你只要跟他對存最多可以存到九千新幣這樣子你就直接把 |
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政府花錢給津貼給錢直接昇華到一個人口戰略的地位你也可以從社會救助的概念變成一個人口永續的概念那當然除了這個對存的概念以外他有限制他的用途所以0到12歲我只能用在醫療或者是教育以及他的疫苗配眼鏡等等的 |
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但是13到30歲新加坡就把它轉換到另外一個帳戶叫做中學後教育戶頭所以你有多的錢你就可以把它運用到直訓啊或者是一些檢驗費啊或是償還學貸或是你想創業都可以31歲以後呢他再把它轉到一個公積金普通戶頭這個院長可能就很熟了用在他之後退休或者是這些公屋租房房屋等等的 |
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1298.77 |
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所以政府出錢可以一起幫你養大一個小孩這就變成一個可吸氏可累積而且永續的兒童帳戶那接下來我想要告訴院長的是說為什麼我看了英國又看了新加坡我覺得新加坡這個方式非常的適用台灣是因為新加坡跟台灣的家長很像院長我不知道你有沒有看到新聞雖然我們少子化可是你猜補習班是越來越多還越來越少應該是多吧 |
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對 答案是多就是由於新加坡的家長跟台灣的家長是很願意把這些資金花在教育上的他們希望可以藉此反轉階級等等所以第一個你限制他這個用在教育跟醫療是非常的有正當性的第二呢我們兩國的人民啊都喜歡做這種無風險的投資而且是高報酬 |
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1354.313 |
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所以當你已經確定是無風險了政府存一塊你存一塊政府就幫你存一塊這個單單靠撒錢或者是發津貼你就會創造出一個更大的資金值所以我們看一下圖它第一個它讓你方便政府直接幫你開碼第二個是全部都有不只是中低收入戶全民都有我覺得我們現在也已經到這個程度了 |
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我左下角有順便幫你分析假使你想要落實比如說我剛講的15%的家長他不願意繼續存他就可以1比2或是1比1.5用這樣子的誘因鼓勵他幫他的小孩累積低統計碼這是第一點 |
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那第二點新加坡他們是會做代鈔投資以免這些錢等到他18歲等到他12歲隨著通膨就蒸發掉了那這一點我是覺得院長你可以去跟財政部等等其他的部門做討論看這麼大的一個資金池是不是可以也讓政府還有家長做更大的運用那再來這個就是幫你想到的一個 |
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口號本來衛福部只是一個救助的精神然後我希望院長在這邊可以採納這個意見變成全民而且兒童未來的資產他可以大幅的降低育兒的焦慮並且去提升生育的意願現在 |
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1440.104 |
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你要讓0變1 1變2 2變3就是要讓他後面是完全沒有負擔的我知道目前的政策可能你已經在想我如何提高津貼我如何提高補助可是這是一個更加永續的概念我也幫你算了一下 |
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你不用擔心預算會失控一年最多最多如果1比1或是1比2花的是635億但你現在離開的嘛畢業的18歲的是20萬可是你進入這個你必須編預算的人可能現在是11萬或是明年的10萬你只要稍微增加一點點都不會影響到你的預算太多 |
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所以他是一個隨時間至少最近十年是減輕負擔的倒吃甘蔗的計畫並且風險完全可控的優質投資我想知道院長有沒有考慮把這個在三個月內提出可行性評估 |
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好謝謝委員 委員剛剛的這段話我想我們有三個共同點第一個你會看到兒童未來儲蓄賬戶的2.0表示您知道了1.0的時候他有一些執行上的困難所以偏低的這個開戶率偏低我們也看到了包括他的對象等等所以我們共同的第二個我剛說的從多生育 |
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1525.419 |
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助教助養育到幫教育三個我們會把力道加在多生育這個部分所以我們從0到17歲會有一個階段性不同的那雖然我們在上學之後小學以後到高中大家都有學費免學費的補助了而且大學以後他又有私立大學的補助但是我們認為在教育這個階段我們還是可以多下一些補助的政策給他們所以從 |
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最小的書生到基本的國民教育到未來大學我們都有相關的而且0到6歲這個托育的政策現在我們也極力在推所以三項我們在推了這是第二個我們共通點 第三個這些儲蓄的帳戶不要讓他隨著物價而變成價值減少我們考慮說那我們現在有一個TISA |
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1548.257 |
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1572.23 |
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我們有一個TISA的制度也可以讓他去做代操所以我們有這個共通點我希望我們在未來推動的過程當中衛部也有機會向委員來多請教把外國的一些經歷跟我們來做一些對接也許我們可以在我們現在設想的現在的這個方式裡面能夠讓他比較更為精緻一點我們最後講了這麼多剛琳琳總總不管您提到育兒這個房屋等等的 |
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1573.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1589.774 |
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其實啊都橫跨了11個機關那這個已經無數的委員詢問過您了這個11個機關來整合是一個非常不容易的事情變成大家各自做各自的我給你看其他國家的做法像日本 |
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是直接對行政院院長韓國是拉高2024年6月他們就宣布他們面臨一個很嚴重的人口危機所以類似我們現在總統府附設的委員會他們是直接總統府當委員長下轄一個少子化跟高齡的委員會那新加坡也是一樣拉到部級的機關這個是您上次答覆我還有答覆其他委員你就說 |
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1623.553 |
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用人口政策來加強研究跟劉敬欽主委開過幾次會議我們現在沒有把它定義成一個固定的形式我們會持續加強來針對但 |
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1654.416 |
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開城佈公我就已經說了13萬保衛戰瞬間變成11萬目前可不可以請你回去跟總統報告我們有兩個建議第一個是不是在現行的三大任務型委員會再多設一個委員會由總統來直轄第二個國發會拉出來你直接再成立一個二級機關少子女化人口對策委員會來主責這樣子才可以跟上其他正在應付這個國家的國際潮流 |
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第一個我會向總統轉達委員的意見讓總統去做參考再來我們雖然現在是由政委來負責包括國發會也包括陳時中政委葉政委跟陳時中政委兩位我們都隨時在討論這個議題所以剛剛委員所說的我剛剛說過這個聲譽 |
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1698.267 |
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養育教育這三個階段的不同的力道的補助也都是在討論過程當中的表示說我是本人是參與這個討論的我也了解這個過程的等到要做重大決定的時候我讀了聽部會跟政委的建議之後我當然會再做重大的決定這個模式如果我們這個政策決定了要如何推動了那麼需要一個什麼樣的機構或是怎麼樣一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
更高層次的會那我們會隨這個程序那我可以跟您要一個月內的書面報告您未來是由您主責那大概這個頻率跟哪一些部會會開這些會呢 |
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你可以提出來嗎你應該是會固定開這些會而且要有一個主責機關吧有一個主責機關你才有辦法去協調說這個部門提出來的東西到底有沒有效資源到底有沒有完整的去配置嘛跟委員報告政務委員跟我本身的開會每個禮拜都在進行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1751.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
這是不同的議題那我會把這個議題當它變成一個比較對這個議題你需要規律的去監督還有monitor最後我是不太好意思用未還的版面來做這個可是因為我沒有抽到政黨總質詢這是我們高雄一個五甲國小的運動場他是專門針對專項的桌球去培訓桌球選手 |
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1754.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1771.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
我個人去過一次跟教育部去兩次當時運動部還沒有成立教育部就說這個未來是運動部管後來運動部成立了以後又跟運動部去了第四次所有的小選手在那邊排排坐而且幫這個次長搭了一個講台 |
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1771.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1790.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
所有的會看會議記錄我們都有留影像等等的結果運動部次長講了一個讓小朋友真的寒心到極點他上台他就說今天是因為委員的面子我來這邊但是這個場館跟我一點關係都沒有但我來了我看一下我覺得好可以補助一下地板 |
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1792.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1816.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我給你看一下這個圖這個場館他專門訓練桌球選手也會國際比賽結果你補助了地板天花板在漏水地板不是一樣壞掉你補助了地板窗戶因為地震都已經歪斜了還是沒有辦法最後我們還不得不開一個協調會我回到前一張為什麼需要院長回去找運動部還有教育部去溝通 |
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1817.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1839.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
像現在這樣子在學校裡面的運動專項運動項目的場館運動部最後回覆我的居然是用教育部在委員會答詢其他委員的意見當作他的回覆說明他的意思是說基層訓練站屬運動部但所使用場地如果共同教育屬性大由教育部主責這樣子對嗎 |
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1841.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1867.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
原則上是在教育學校教育單位裡面的運動設施還是由教育部來督促各級學校來進行維護的但是如果他有一個特殊的功能或是比賽要用的或是其他的因素運動部未來要予以協助補助並非不可能那所以市長講的可能比較簡略學校的設施由教育部的 |
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1868.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1893.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
體育署來做補助這是目前的政策那有需要的時候我認為運動部應該也會跟教育部來做溝通當他有特別的這個這個傑出的表現或是特別的競賽需求的時候他就會變成一個社區型的或是更高成績的那個就是由運動部來主導我相信不只高雄一定全國各地只要座落在教育環境的專項運動場館會面臨到一模一樣的問題但 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1897.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1897.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
好 謝謝曾經 |