| IVOD_ID |
165997 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165997 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-28T11:12:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-28T11:27:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90c42a9ce79e38a5bda8db473fe141b67ac07857f1cd0c589d9bb1a3670a86b47990b0cb07845b95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:09 - 11:27:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月28日）二、討論事項：本院財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境五委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案等9案。（12月2日）三、11月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝韓院長 有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢以及衛福部麻煩請衛福部長備詢以及環境部麻煩請環境部長備詢 |
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謝謝 羅文好 院長好院長在非洲豬瘟爆發之前10月中秋節前夕台灣也驚爆了食安問題請問一下院長你有印象嗎10月是那個黑心大廠中秋節前夕 |
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中秋節黑心豬腸事件發生在屏東業者竟然使用工業級的雙氧水來漂白豬腸這些違法的產品大量流入到各個縣市嚴重危害到整個民眾的食品安全我想問一下 |
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除了這一次黑心豬場外根據食藥署的相關官網指出雙氧水過氧化氫就是國內歷年來驗出過氧化氫殘留的我們看到有魚肉的煉製品甚至有魚翅 甚至是面製品 豆類以及新鮮的蓮子跟鹽水雞 |
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可以知道固氧化氫經常都被一般民眾作為所謂的非法漂白劑但食品加工所使用的固氧化氫都是食品級的這些都是庶民小吃喔院長您跟部長跟我可能都有食用過我們都有吃到過但是院長 |
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食品雲跟化學雲啊老早就已經建制完成為什麼還是會發生黑心珠藏的一個事件到底有沒有被納入沒有被納入到底是衛福部的問題還是環境部的問題 |
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這些所謂的化學用品在國外是很嚴格的管制在台灣為什麼會有這樣的狀況根據本席自衛福部所取得的資料統計從105年到114年國內食品業者使用非法化學參加於食品的案件當中坦白講都是在終端也就是攤販最終端來使用 |
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可是這一次查獲的案件不同百威這家上游廠商被查到的是在上游我們可以推論這不是單一個案擴大偵查上游供應鏈工業級的雙陽水廠商不排除橫向還有更多的案例請問院長有沒有就百威這個業者繼續往上偵查 |
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誰供應百威工業級的雙氧水以及其他業者是否有曾購置相關的原料化學用品追查其他的食品業者有沒有將食品銷售到各個端處是否藉此偵查整個掌握整體相關的細節非法的供應鏈可被說明 |
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首先跟委員報告很多的化學添加物它還是有食品級的所以你一定指的是非法的所以這要讓國人了解這是工業級的我剛剛有講過應該在整個法規制度安全底下食品級的來使用對國人的健康影響是不存在的所以你剛剛說到百威這個公司的個案是不是有進行到查緝什麼程度 |
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委員會來說說明跟委員說明確實這個雙氧水這個東西過去是用來消毒啦所以實用級的沒有問題那這一次呢這個是工業級的這是完全不可以的所以我們因為過去這是第一次我們去找到是用工業級的來用過去是實用級有殘留所以我們已經跟環境部合作有沒有具體的結果啦 查得如何把它列為化學羽的監測 |
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所以你現在才把它列為化學雲的監測嗎以前沒有這一類現在把它讓進去相關的出貨紀錄業者提供的進貨所有的源頭你們有去清查嗎有 都清查了目前狀況怎麼樣就是到 |
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所以你目前就只有百威相關的數據資料可以讓我知道一下嗎好 謝謝我想這個有必要跟社會大眾說清楚講明白全民都會擔憂因為現在不是只有百威這個工業級的雙氧水的問題我們還有蘇丹紅色素我們現在還有所謂分譜擬氮最近的食安最近讓所有的國人都非常的擔憂我們應該要加強食品雲 化學雲以及我們現在還有食安辦我認為啊 |
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案發的第一時間食藥署一直強調這不是病死豬啊這個不是病變豬啊因為凡不符合這些的資格的都會懶然最後把他排除可是問題啊院長就是因為病死豬跟健康豬相關的這些進貨價格差資千里才會有砍頭的生意有人做啊因為有暴利嘛所以為什麼他會不肝 |
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就做這樣子的事物 |
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他一定要賺取暴利所以我們希望這個部分一定要嚴格的去查緝我同意這種行為無法在這裡道德勸說雖然商有商道但是還是要用政府的力道才有辦法來解決這個問題所以對食安的問題政府當然非常的重視現在發生蛋的問題發生那個蘇丹紅的問題馬上第一時間會強力的制止那地方政府如果能夠適時及時的查獲中央整個在 |
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檢驗跟量能上面我們會增加一方有責但是我現在要說的食品雲還有化學雲這個一定要很重要我們再來看一下相關的數據資料我們可以看到現在在整個相關的資料裡面有幾個我們看到的化學藥製品 |
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包括氫氧化鈉工業用的亞酸硝鈉非食用級的蘇打粉玫瑰紅B以及工業用的雙氧水請問這八件上面所提到的化學品有沒有列入到化學雲跟食品雲中請回答 |
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這些都有這些都有然後但是這次的那個雙氧水的部分因為雙氧水工業級跟化學跟那個使用級是一線之隔這一次才列入啦所以我要講的是市面上已經有違規的形態了嘛為何過往沒有被納入而這一次發現擺位以後才納入這已經螺絲掉啦我要講的是已經有所謂的違規樣態囉院長 |
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我覺得應該要檢討所以說就算是事後我們做檢討也好但是事前剛剛部長講過了這個工業級的跟實用級的一線之隔那本來就有在禁止當中的但是工業級我們都知道不能用對 但越界了以後我們當然要加強這樣的檢驗的量度所以我認為啦 |
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這個已經是基本的常識了工業級跟食用級本來就應該把工業級的直接納入到食品雲而發生了才把它納入這個部分一定要檢討食安應該要超越國人應該有的我們的一些嚴格標準我們應該要超前部署 |
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院長 食安辦當時成立的精神跟目的現在找不到了食安辦我們在這一次黑心豬腸事件中沒有發揮應有的責任跟角色我們現在看到化學雲對於整個化學藥品的整個管制 |
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食安雲對於整個食品流通的管理以及食安辦中央協調各部會的這些辦公室沒有監控的力道嘛國人要的不是這些簡報上的食安五環還有這些雲端的平台名詞而是看得見感受得到的真正攔阻跟警示的效果讓黑心豬腸在市面上流竄了數個月現在我們希望院長 |
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您應該要督促您應該要清楚的跟國人保證我們的食安應該要加強超前部署嚴格警惕可以嗎食安問題加強嚴格超前這個都應該但是我也必須跟委員報告食安辦處理的事情是相當多的他跨部會的整合做了很多工作 |
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出現了這個問題他必須內部要自我檢討是沒有錯他也要追溯這個來源甚至要提供出法律上法治上是否有疏漏不渝之處也要做整個修法的一個工作所以他提出我們一定全力的支持但是我們最怕的是他不知道自己有問題 |
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當然我們會要求他他也一直在做進行的工作部長一直說食安辦跟這個相關部會的聯繫跨部會的會議協調是一直在進行沒有間斷的好 謝謝還是真的要加強院長衛福部現在要啟動主改除成立的兒童及家庭署也將同步調整其他的業務如整合長照的業務請問這一次主改的具體規劃預計何時送到立法院來給我們審 |
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我們已經到了最後我們是明年2月3月兒童及家庭發展署那這個會在整個衛福部新的架構裡面會讓他成為一個對於兒童的健康啊照顧啦福利啊各方面都會有的最後已經在做一些 |
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最後文字上三月前可以嗎我認為可以更快三月前可以更快雖然目前的主改的細節尚未擬定但未來朝向兒童專責的一個單位長者專責的一個單位也就是兒童及家庭發展署及長照署的規劃在走 |
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我們本席感覺這樣子的一個方向是相當支持的我覺得這是應該行政院應該趕快具體的有相關說明跟規劃藍圖讓社會有所依循所以本席在這邊支持之外也感謝院長跟部長我們願意全力的來支持之外我也要感謝大家是什麼是我在本席今年3月的時候在未還委員會倡議的學齡前兒童私立篩檢的一個計畫目前有朝向這樣子的方向來執行 |
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我非常感恩 也代表國人但是呢 院長眼睛是靈魂之窗近視的防治兩支箭只射出了一支另外一支我跟你娓娓道來這個成年人眼睛的保健預防還沒有下文 |
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所以這個部分衛福部改組之前規劃我是不是將這個議題一起來討論一下有七成的國人有近視眼底容易發生病變日後發生青光眼還有視網膜剝離的機率是大幅提升每增加近視100度 |
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我們現在看到近視性的黃斑病變發生率增加58%視網膜剝離發生增加30%白內障發生增加21%青光眼發生增加20%這是每增加100度的近視在政府推動成人預防健檢中院長你有沒有健檢 |
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當然有健檢那現在呢健檢當中多半都是什麼血液尿液以及腎功能等檢查但是成人預防的保健健保當中我們看到這個針對高度近視的群眾眼睛有什麼樣的保健 |
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有嗎因為健檢除非到比較完整的大型醫院平常的健檢中心他是不是有能力都具備眼科專業的這種儀器跟人員就本席所知道我有跟我們的燕光師團體合作其實是有的啦只是要怎麼樣再增加這樣子的量能現在我們的視力啊保健只有所謂的視力檢查跟射盲啊 |
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這個我們每天都去看因為各鄰里都會辦可是青光眼不易察覺很多人不知道自己有青光眼的潛在所以這是全球不可逆失明的守衛針對青光眼的預防我們做了些什麼 |
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許多研究者都指出他不知道啊所以同樣的近視族群高的視網膜剝離也一樣啊對於視網膜剝離近視高的我們的預防保健有什麼衛福部長跟這個委員說明一下確實這國人的視力問題是我們的重要健康啦但是視力的保健我們一直在做這個宣導但是要不要納爾為常規的篩檢 |
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因為我們要考慮到量能不然會排擠到真正需要眼科醫療的好我知道院長部長已經跟你講了只有宣導沒有所謂的預防保健這就是問題點我要跟院長再次的建議增加國人眼底篩檢將青光眼色網膜玻璃納入到我覺得這是非常有必要的也希望你能夠納入到政策當中這個建議我想首先進行必要的宣導 |
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在一般的健檢過程當中如果眼科的這種進行一般的宣導說什麼樣告訴他你有什麼症狀可能要進一步去做檢查這個宣導一定要完成宣導基本上都有啦他們都有在做但是現在清光眼還是很多人不知道所以就疏忽了嘛我們在強化這個宣導啦但是這個全面性的不猜的話這個可能這個政策院長跟你問一個比較私密性的問題請問你有做攝護腺的相關檢查嗎沒有 |
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您知道攝護腺檢查對於男性來說比較尷尬嗎 |
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也不會啊是嗎有病就要吃藥你說你沒有做過健檢你說也不會攝護腺癌近三年來發生持續上升去年已經達了9858人我們看到死亡率每10萬人口7.8人為子宮頸癌2.56人的三倍三倍子宮頸癌在1995年納入全民癌症篩檢我也建議院長 |
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902.965 |
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攝護腺癌應該要被納入全民癌症篩檢裡面可以嗎跟委員說明這個確實這個攝護腺癌隨著我們人口的高齡化它的發生率在增加沒有錯那麼因此呢我們一直在宣導哪一些情形之下你要特別去留意就醫篩檢那麼至於說怎麼樣去補篩或者是怎麼樣的這個癌症防治的政策我們會在半年內再麻煩你檢討啦 |
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因為第三個我要講的是65歲以上被檢測出骨鬆的比例高達14.1等於每7人就1人骨鬆現在總人數達到了300到40萬人是400萬人台北市有一些縣市在進行成效不錯院長 |
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933.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
隨著年齡老化人口老化以及未來骨鬆患者越來越多我們也希望骨密度的檢測還有這個部分的骨鬆篩檢應該全國推行可以嗎希望你能夠一起把它做一個審慎的評估謝謝 |