| IVOD_ID |
165976 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165976 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-27T11:24:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-27T11:32:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0f4b7ea395815859ddf23aa3bdad0b87d6356a8ccaa37a42a0b20679a7fea94c9258d6461fda9c085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:29 - 11:32:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部次長、教育部次長、衛生福利部次長、內政部警政署等就「成少共犯如何解？院、檢、警協作與社政教育體系整合策進展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請教育部衛福部 |
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請衛福部次長還有教育部兩個單位兩個就好我想說這個有關於在學校園裡面對於這個有可能這種普選少年他們的人權跟教育以及其他可能會被普選少年所影響到的老師或同學這個中間 |
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彼此的權利這麼拿捏啦這一直是一個我覺得嚴肅而且難解的課題啦那當然我覺得目前少年或者是已經有犯法這些少年的人權重要可是在教育的現場我們應該看的是說那其他想要好好在學校受教育的這些同學不想被干擾的同學他們的受教權呢 |
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還有老師會不會因為有一些少年在學校裡面的影響導致班級的經營或者是在教學上面會受到很大的干擾呢這個教育部跟衛福部應該要去也要針對這個問題去做解決我看到教育部洋洋灑灑的講了很多方案衛福部也是譬如說教育部講說 |
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你們會針對偏差的行為做輔導例如說會提供一些中途的教育資源嘛比如說慈輝班比如說資源室中途班這裡面報告寫的我再請教慈輝班主要的提供是不是那些可能比較弱勢家庭 |
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或者是中措之餘嘛支援是中途班是不是也是中措幫助他回到學校之前先適應一下對吧 |
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過度性教育措施嗎對這個部分的話可能會有比較涉及到他可能會有偏差行為那會對其他的師生回到學校之後會有比較是安全之餘的會是在過度性的教育措施所以他是比如說你怎麼去認定他有可能會去傷害別人是他曾經犯過法 |
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曾經犯過法或是什麼情況之下去認定所以先讓他去這個中途班然後適應一段時間之後再回到學校那是怎麼認定這些人這些同學 |
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如果是到那個過渡性教育措施的話他會有一個個案的評估會議那也有一部分有可能是會需要跟調法官或是少年保護官那邊再做一些所以這已經進入到司法的部分了嗎42 上司法第42條所以是已經進入到司法的部分 |
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所以因此我們對於那些就是想要好好讀書的小朋友的保護想好好讀書不想要受到目前少年干擾的保護現在必須要目前少年他可能已經進入到司法的程序也就是說他已經進入到犯罪的行為了才有可能會進入到這個中途的教育機制對不對否則就是說他可能是因為某種原因家庭因素或什麼個人因素中錯 |
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但中錯不代表他會影響別人他可能只是說他跟不上現在的教育所以去中途班教育先學一下 銜接再回到校園嘛所以其實這個裡面衍生出一個問題啦就如果有一些青少年或學生他可能有加入幫派他可能在學校一直比如說霸凌或者是在上課搗蛋被記了非常多大過你現在沒有辦法強制他去中途班對吧 |
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這個裡面還有一個輔導機制是少年輔導委員會我們也會跟警政那邊聯繫然後警政有用嗎我會這樣子講就是因為現在校園充斥太多類似這樣我剛講的狀況而且現在的機制是無法解決的你說你有跟那個警政署有聯繫你看你們後面還講說怎麼防止他們參與犯罪 |
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比如說如果他疑似參加不良組織都會依通報輔導有用嗎通報給警政署警察單位 |
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是不是其實後續也會有一些輔導輔導有用嗎比如說我們提供高關懷的課程然後讓他效果都很有限啊然後你們提到說會加強那個校園安全的宣導譬如說校安通報防患於未然但問題是有校安人力嗎我在我了解的狀況是有些學校只要譬如說一個學生去霸凌霸凌另外一個同學那個校假設他有一個校安人力因為我確定在 |
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一直在爭取國中的校園人力嘛一個 一個而已喔那個校園人力面對到一個霸凌其他的同學的那個霸凌者他就要花很多的時間在那個霸凌者身上所以如果再增加其他的曝險少年的話這個人力是非常不足的啦然後再來啊 |
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那個衛福部的報告裡面也有寫到說112到113年服務了大概一千零五位具有偏差行為的一個青少年然後說要幫助他們提升家庭功能有提升的嗎包委我們這個部分齁我們有一個寧靜少年的一個輔導方案這個主要是衛福部他補助各地方政府補助嘛各地方政府對但是因為你有補助所以算你的業務嘛要提升的嘛 |
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包圍他們這部分他們會結合那個地方的NGO跟NPO我問你效果嘛你不要一直告訴我做法我問你效果嘛 提升了嗎包圍那個所以衛福部只是把錢花下去不會管他的效果我們當然有做一些相關的一些所以提升大家的家庭功能了嗎因為現在有很多在學校會影響別人讀書的那些青少年很多都是家庭 |
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爸媽不管啊所以現在在學校裡面很多老師覺得說這些家庭是不是可以把爸媽把這小孩領回去啊當然大家會站在這個小朋友的教育的角度會覺得這樣子可能不OK因為他還是有受教育的權利但是代表說你們衛福部補助所謂提升家庭功能這個做法達不到效果嘛 |
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包圍那個的地方他們的回饋基本上認為就是說效果很有限啦如果今天效果這麼你可以去了解一下啦如果說這個效果這麼有的話為什麼每個學校常常都會發現同學被霸凌或老師被欺負現在老師都不敢管學生啦老師很多都消磨熱忱的啦你們會不會去了解一下 |
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所以今天雖然我們是排的是比較偏司法面但是我覺得教育部衛福部更應該重視的是那些少年他沒有到犯法的時候還沒有到犯法的時候但他其實已經這個邊緣了而且他在學校就是會影響別人那這個部分的輔導機制處理機制在哪裡這也是一個很嚴重的問題啊 |
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所以是不是 針對這個部分包委我們就跟教育部這邊我想重點像您所說應該主要是他的家庭失能的問題這個部分我們會朝這個方向來努力我剛講這個算是一個問題缺口目前你們的機制我看不到有解決的方案出來請針對這個部分去做一個研究啦好的 謝謝好 感謝月圓之吻 |