| IVOD_ID |
165969 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165969 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-27T10:51:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-27T11:02:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0f4b7ea395815859a585ff93005fbf4bbd93e540dfe0040ea0b20679a7fea94cf8672e411591f1865ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:35 - 11:02:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、 本院委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
三、 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、 本院委員馬文君等19人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
五、 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
六、 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等17人擬具「森林法第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
七、 本院委員盧縣一等16人擬具「森林法第九條之一及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
八、 本院委員游顥等25人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
九、 本院委員黃仁等29人擬具「森林法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、 本院委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「森林法第二條、第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
十一、 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、 本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
十三、 本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十四、 本院委員張雅琳等19人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
(第十三及第十四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (僅詢答)） |
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主席好 那現在有請我們陳部長我們請陳部長部長好部長好 我知道聽您的質詢 我聽了一句話 我覺得很莫名其妙說我們如果到中國大陸去看了 也是非洲豬人帶進來 |
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顏色太重了 到日本有沒有到美國有沒有 到越南有沒有我跟委員報告齁 不要這樣舉例不是 你要聽我講一分鐘就好非洲豬瘟的傳播除了廚藝以外還有人員的接觸你如果到養豬場進去養豬場也有可能帶來我是指這個我跟你講啊 |
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從其他非洲豬瘟 從其他非洲其他國家非洲豬瘟爆發也有非常多的人員的接觸你到中國大陸就會把非洲豬瘟帶進來我不知道你這個舉例怎麼樣因為你是學者之身的我們的理論要很中道也要有那個對 我就是跟您講說非洲豬瘟的傳遞除了廚藝還有很多很多的方式你頭腦的意識永遠在這個對立之中啊認知的一個問題啦 |
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我們做事情 尤其是這個基地好像一個樹架大家都很注意好不好 抱持戒慎其他國家有非常多的就是因為人員的傳遞才造成非洲豬瘟的爆發保留 你要跟我去印尼移工嗎來 圖片出來好 你大概聽你說你大概沒有看過萬里長城也沒有做過但是我們萬里長沙 |
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我希望你有機會 以前跟我去會館過 110年3月辦理會館現在東北季風就大量帶來風沙 連漁港的道路跟漁港都進出困難 |
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再來這裡 最重要的風波的沙都催入民宅很嚴重的 我這個問題要把你拿過去那邊有來處理但是處理的效果不怎麼好當初我處理的方式是1月是協助清醫2月是同意重新檢定這個 |
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稍微的標準就是加深 |
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降挖一個深度啊 為2公尺壓到剩3公尺下去但是壓了這幾年的實驗啊那個風沙MO我們的港口情形啊沒有得到實質的改善啊我現在給你看這張照片現在的沙濱就這樣地啊應該你的防信步道都不能走路了整個都掩埋起來了所以對於總體的背景 |
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跟從地移民就十分困擾但是裡面是有時候依照自己的方法來做所以在這裡面我們當地的移民給我建議說看你們在苑港、伊港北邊的養殖區 |
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靠外面的淺灘先定沙南邊的堤防的飄沙就會減少再來栽植木馬房跟黃瓊室我常常想這個問題你剛才說的中國大陸我常常想 |
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那中國大陸在沙漠立法已經做得非常成功人家大片的土地那個沙漠的地區已經立法很成功我們台灣要抗中保台我們感覺海邊的沙灘雨沙幾十年都沒辦法人家處理你也想一個泡沫出來去墊一個我們的港府 |
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報告委員 你說往里長沙怎麼跑到抗中保台去那我想基本上我們會重視這個問題特別是您剛才講的漁港的北側本身你如果去做這些燃殺的話它是有限的但是林保署每一年它會持續做定殺這個動作那現在有一些地背現在開始逐漸的穩定那穩定了以後我們就會後面就會比較減少這個部分它不需要一點時間 |
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我不知道有沒有穩定 但是沒有全部穩定刷又硬起來 沒有一定穩定以前有穩定都被刷粉跟煙埋過有跟委員用 要去看 |
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我們現場來看嗎我們現場來會刊我們的林市長你應景又有能力這條看你的改革貼一條卸條來去你的港府人家中國大陸的沙漠立法都那麼成功了還不管從何時怎樣引進各種方式都要改進 |
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不要自以為很滿足啊我們都要去學習人家的長度看他怎麼做但是這台機器人家有特別建議在縣議席的人去設沙場帶透過縣議席的潮汐把沙這樣打出來你知道他們的經驗很深科技考慮真的這一次要解決了 |
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誰敢講這樣子 |
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每一個都跟我反映 |
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他認為我有解決這個問題的能力但是反映到現在就沒有改革所有臉上無光 整個部長 市長臉上無光沒有 這個部分要一步一步我想我們後續會來那個好 我來解釋一下時間那今天談到森林法林市長講過幾十年了 我從來沒有改進 |
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我們森林法規定不管不論都市計畫中還是非都市計畫中的山坡地開發都須繳納回饋金都市計畫內 我現在跟你討論都市計畫內所以我這次要提出48條之一的修法希望 |
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都市計畫中的山坡地不用繳納山坡地利用的開花回饋金這我講了幾年因為我那特別嚴重苗栗縣的山坡地佔了85%的責任您知道我們也爭論了好幾次我說啊照您並不是 |
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都市計畫內山坡地持有者的責任造林是全民造林嗎啊你怎麼叫我們山坡地山坡地的都市計畫開發裡面就又受到了很多的限制尤其我們廟裡管池熱 池燃 |
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厚隆 通宵宴旅 海邊的地方大概比較平其他的都山坡地 85%我們交情交到5萬名來來來你那個回饋金一年收了多少錢你們的小金庫你從來不放 |
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我們有很多東西就會回到獎勵造齡的這些幾戶又回到給造齡者啊 |
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回到哲教你們的大家的責任安裝我都市計畫的山坡地我要特別回饋我跟委員報告回饋金如果政府是議題的話我不是跟你討回饋金啦我感覺這樣對於都市計畫內的山坡地的開發者尤其對我們苗栗非常不公平啦師兄你講一下 |
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你給我這樣討論幾年你這樣現在給我後悔後悔說都會改過因為這個山坡地它是山坡地回饋金它是減少破地抑制破地災害的發生所以用造林發生所以破地沒有分是都市計畫或者是非都市計畫基本上它是山坡地這個是當時立這個定這個的意旨你不能用這樣來講嘛造林是大家的責任嘛為什麼只有 |
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都市計劃內山坡地的人要特別去繳這筆錢沒有 委員你應該記得前幾天農委會也曾經幫忙過縮減了苗栗縣的那個山坡地的範圍沒有沒有 其實有很多山坡地你告訴我你知不知道我怎麼不知道那個就是客觀沒有辦法沒有 我很羞嘛不然你拿你的方案出來你拿你跟我收掉他這個就是依據山坡地的範圍內跟我苗栗縣都市計劃內的山坡地收了多少你跟我講 |
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我每次都相信你 你會改進啦但是你這樣都迷迷糊糊這樣給我扶著就過了現在我真的要認真的檢討我們會很清楚的跟您報告過去這幾年這個之前我們都有跟您報告過你有報告過 對但是就不怕 大家就這樣啊我剛才就說他不是依據 |
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非都或都市計畫的山坡地它山坡地是一體 它是為了要防災啊你別這樣啦 照領全民的責任嘛這個是當時例子的法律不然你平地也要拿 山坡地給他撿嘛平地也要拿 照領市山坡地的人的責任嘛這個是意志破地災你別這樣說 我不承認這一點照領市全民的責任我們在 最後再跟委員溝通啦 好不好我跟妳說 不然溝通這次我提出來我願意給你修到合理一點 |
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你不可以這樣忽略一年 再過一年我一直覺得你們很實在結果我發覺都很不實在感覺我跟老師 你就要跟我那樣這樣忽略就過了不會啦 我們不會這樣想啦我看起來都差不多這樣啦好嗎 這點要好好做 謝謝謝謝陳朝明委員 |