| IVOD_ID |
165968 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165968 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-27T10:42:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-27T10:51:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0f4b7ea395815859e773efa2a21466e3bd93e540dfe0040e432a9691d58560b2a3a65f0a64d6ccd15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:29 - 10:51:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、 本院委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
三、 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、 本院委員馬文君等19人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
五、 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
六、 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等17人擬具「森林法第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
七、 本院委員盧縣一等16人擬具「森林法第九條之一及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
八、 本院委員游顥等25人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
九、 本院委員黃仁等29人擬具「森林法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、 本院委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「森林法第二條、第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
十一、 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、 本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
十三、 本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十四、 本院委員張雅琳等19人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
(第十三及第十四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (僅詢答)） |
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好 謝謝主席我想請陳部長請陳部長委員好 |
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部長早安非洲豬瘟到現在已經超過一個月了但是我們看到昨天韓國也爆發了今年第六起的非洲豬瘟的疫情他們將全國禁應48小時我必須告訴部長這真的非常嚴重我們從 |
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10月22號起這個活豬禁運禁載然後同時禁止廚餘餵豬那這個疫調結果也顯示為落實這個廚餘真主就養豬用廚餘養豬這件事情是疫情爆發的主要原因這個您同意嗎 對不對對 我們疫調結果是這樣子對 那我想要請問一下禁止廚餘養豬這個措施目前有要調整嗎 |
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我想第一個部分就是大方向我先講大方向因為我們大概後面還有很多細節要處理第一個部分就是我們在禁止以後如果要重新開放我已經說過要符合落實證書及時監控跟法令以外地方政府要同意然後大方向的料源的部分我們會先針對家戶處理做禁止 |
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那為什麼剛剛媒體都在報導說農業部打算在12月初開始有新的廚餘政策要開放事業廚餘呢我說的是禁用家戶廚餘然後因為 |
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廚藝養豬必須要有一個過渡期所以你現在是在告訴我說事業廚餘裡面應該是不會有非洲豬瘟我覺得所有的防疫都是用風險的角度齁然後家務廚餘的風險是最高的你現在是在幫 |
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事業廚餘背書說他不可能是破口嗎我跟委員說明你不要用這種方式去影射沒有我想要你正面說明啊我強調就是說我禁用家戶廚餘然後第二個部分就是你禁用家戶廚餘但是我還沒有講完我還沒有講完我還沒有講完可不可以讓我講完好你講 |
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你講第一個部分在過渡期的話我們會禁用加護廚因為廚藝養豬轉型需要一點時間然後最後我們會有個落日期就是全面禁用加護廚那預計什麼時候全面禁用因為預計禁用的部分可能跟後面的這些廚藝的再利用的部分我們再跟環境部正在討 正在處理部長 |
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我必須要提醒您您是農業部的部長保障保護這些豬農才是你的第一要務為什麼你要把環境部的責任全部攬在你身上呢環境部怎麼樣處理廚餘是他的問題怎麼會你要幫他處理呢如果照委員這樣講農業部的立場之前就非常清楚了是原則禁止 |
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然後你有落實徵主的條件的時候由地方政府發許可所以所有的開放廚餘是由地方政府去核發的你的意思是說那現在你說這些事業廚餘那要怎麼辦呢你現在是說你要開放事業廚餘是嗎我是說禁用家戶廚餘那你要開放事業廚餘嗎在過渡期的話它是可以使用要落實徵主 |
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所以你就是要開放廚餘養豬的意思嗎我先問你一個問題過渡期是多久過渡期是多久我們還在討論可以有一個大方向嗎我們大方向已經有了現在就是說在處理這個時間點這個在時間點我們必須再跟環境部我們還會再跟縣市政府的首長去做溝通我先舉一個例子好不好 部長 |
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假設我想要請問一下 事業廚餘是有包括餐廳嗎餐廳跟那個團散的部分都是屬於事業廚餘 |
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所以餐廳好了 假設我這餐廳的廚餘桶好 廚餘桶放在外面然後我隔壁鄰居把他的家戶廚餘拿來倒你有辦法分辨嗎你沒有辦法分辨嘛這個源頭分類就沒有辦法100%監控嘛我現在就告訴你說 假設我們還會有落實真主的即時監控 |
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那你現在是在因為你知道嗎因為這8%的廚餘養豬不全面禁止的話就是其他的92%的飼料養豬戶都要一起承擔這非洲豬瘟的風險 |
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是2000億產值的整個產業鏈欸你現在是要讓我們做半套的意思嗎就你說交互廚餘禁止然後你要開放事業廚餘你怎麼有辦法保證我說過了我們在過渡期是這樣處理過渡期是多久嘛過渡期的過渡的時間還要看後面的交互是多久嘛你至少給我們三年嗎 十年嗎 |
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我們明確了以後就會對外說明那是什麼時候會明確嘛因為你今天都已經接受記者訪問了今天我們本身我就講個大方向一個就是加護廚藥禁用第二個我們會有弱智條款就是這樣子弱智條款所以那我想要請問說是不是假設這個事業廚餘真的去養豬了然後再發生非洲豬瘟誰要負責 |
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我們所有的 你沒有要負責嘛對不對我告訴你你也沒有要負責啊你也覺得跟你沒有關係啊難道農民的死活是他們家的事啊所有的廚餘再利用是由地方政府核發的我們會跟桃園市政府溝通我們會跟新北市政府溝通 |
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對他們本身所以你的意思是說你要開放然後他們也開放如果假設開放如果有破口有這個非洲豬瘟在產生你現在在告訴我說跟你農業部沒有關係是不是 |
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我從來沒有講這句話那否則誰要負責假設 假設 假設 假設再爆發我問你 假設再爆發你要不要下台負責你今天如果同意你今天如果同意說再爆發你願意下台負責那我也沒有話說我也沒有話說如果你是願意負責的我沒有話說但是你願意負責嗎我們不會讓它發生 |
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你現在是在跟我掛保證嗎我沒有 我不會讓它發生你不會讓它發生是 你說這些事業廚餘不會變成破口 假設變成破口再發生誰要負責 你現在告訴我我告訴你 防疫是中央跟地方一起的責任對啊 那跟你沒有關係嗎當然有關係啊是不是你政策 你要先做出政策啊我政策講得非常清楚啦你的政策就是要開放 |
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事業廚餘嘛我現在要求你說你如果可以保證說這不會是破口的話如果是破口如果假設廚藝養豬又發生非洲豬瘟爆發你要負責嗎你願意負責嗎沒有我知道是負責我問你嘛你願意負責嗎你可以下台嗎你下台也救不了這些豬農 |
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你知道你做的這個決定 影響多少人嗎我跟委員說明齁 防疫是中央政府一起努力的是 可是你願意 你願意允許 允許事業廚餘這是在防疫嗎 這是在防疫嗎我跟你講 非都豬瘟的你現在告訴我說 事業廚餘不會是破口 |
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你聽一聽你自己相信嗎我現在就告訴你說你自己相信嗎他是零風險嗎風險有高有低沒有零的那他是高還是低我告訴你加物除以是低的加物除以是高的事業除以是低的 |
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但他也是有風險啊我現在就問你說假設這個是破口假設他變成破口你要不要負責如果委員今天到中國去或是其他地方到養殖場再進來的話也有可能傳播所以你在講什麼東西我在跟你講什麼東西 |
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515.164 |
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你再跟我講什麼東西你頭腦清楚好好想一想說這個非洲豬瘟會影響多少人的生計會有多少人的死活因為你開放事業廚餘被影響我現在就告訴你你要記得就是你的責任如果有人因為非洲豬瘟爆發家破人亡就是你的責任中央跟地方政府的防疫是要一起的 |
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536.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
537.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
謝謝 謝謝我們現在請陳昌明委員質詢 |