| IVOD_ID |
165963 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165963 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-27T10:12:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-27T10:23:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0f4b7ea3958158598ce5716f0c69f844d6356a8ccaa37a42432a9691d58560b27a4feae0cd811d6a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:43 - 10:23:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部次長、教育部次長、衛生福利部次長、內政部警政署等就「成少共犯如何解？院、檢、警協作與社政教育體系整合策進展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們請廳長跟政務次長請司法院總廳長徐政次 |
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委員長好 委員長謝謝召委今天擺這個節目因為我看你們兩個人在講話我們想要都委託公務員出來先抱歉抱歉說對方配合到的問題我從這個法務部的這個報告我請這個廳長 |
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你來討論一條法務部的報告啦他說他面臨的三大困境第一個 管轄權你剛才有解說這一定改過了嘛對次長這比較重要嘛是是這沒問題嘛那第二個困境是強制處分執行步調的歧異這廳長你有什麼看法 |
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報告委員 這個目前我們在推動下已經解決那我報告如下 就每一個縣市的少年法庭 檢察官 警政單位 警察單位定期召開這樣解決這個問題的會議用三個方式解決 第一 成立一個專案的一個聯繫窗口 |
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第二我們所有的法官都有受理窗口馬上受理不延誤第三配合檢察官要速度徵收第四就是有關情資共用跟這個證據共用只剩最後一個就是訓問這個通行強制處分的少年檢察官能不能先問的法律問題這樣子那有沒有發生過檢察官啊次長有沒有發生過檢察官啊 |
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說那個年輕人 要把他收容 不能讓他回去那法官 法院 看過後說這沒什麼問題這讓他回去 哪有什麼問題你們肉發生過這個 有爭執過嗎 |
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報告委員這的確是實務上發生的事情因為少年法庭的法官他的看點他是以輔導跟保護少年我們這邊是犯罪偵查是想要溯源再去找到成年人所以觀念上是不一樣的 |
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那可能少年法庭的法官會認為這個少年就像大家講的免洗塊他本身還好可能因為家境清寒等等他想說這個回去就好了可是這個就會影響到後面偵查的作為他一去可能又被成年人拉走了或被恐嚇了叫他不能講話 |
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他可能一回去之後在法院門口接他了是詐騙集團的律師 對對吧 對所以我們其實也是在保護他我們希望說暫時不要讓他在外面遊蕩又被這些成人又帶走了好 那所以我請問一下廳長在實務上 |
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如果這個檢測官他通知這個法官說那個你不要幫他那如果幫一整天他馬上再詐騙集團再叫他回去問說阿葛多阿問你什麼問你什麼問你什麼這個時候實務上這個時候我們的法官一般會做什麼歡迎 |
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雖然法官個案決定說不收容是審判核心但現在我們經過這樣的一個聯繫會議跟我們開的研討會跟促進目前用三個方案法官其實有很多資料可以收容保護性收容少年也就是說警察加強 |
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續名載名這個他加入這個共患的詐團檢察官又聲明他有篡證以及去維護那這個時候第三個我們知道這些詐團家車手的孩子很少回家後住在旅館所以即以這樣我們照事法26條絕對符合收容那個叫保護性收容還篡 篡證收容 |
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以及再回到詐團的收容所以現在的比例比較高有收容起來那這個需要大家一起合作如果這個資料不太夠法官會用保護性比較多的就把它釋放就是說所謂責護所以目前有這樣的促進我們 |
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邵家廷在法官的在職研習我們都親自到場開課去對這些蒐集資料分析促進法官那檢察官也有善意的回應我們得到了很多紀錄他們就這個部分也會加強請法官去考慮孩子篡證回到詐團很好謝謝廷長你告訴我這個社會都有聽到詐團也有聽到 |
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這很關鍵喔 集團也聽到了就是說這個年輕人 現在我們這個少年法庭這裡的法官要不要收容他你跟我說的一點最重要的就是這個年輕人有沒有固定的住所就是說他可能離家出走 很久了家人可能也要隔代教養阿公阿嬤也不知道這個年輕人他們孫子跑去哪裡 |
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還可以帶中部跑去跑來台北 帶東部跑去台北 帶南部跑去台北要創這些詐騙集團嘛所以這個時候法官在實務上他就有可能把他收容了就是說現在有這樣的一個機制好 那我請問一下這個次長 聽長這樣講 |
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你有沒有更放心 或是你也了解說開始有這個改變是 的確 司法院聽長這邊是非常非常的支持我們這一項的一個協商的會議的運作但是這個部分我們認為 老實講 我們還要觀察 |
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因為真的是 這是少年法庭法官的核心的工作有時候有些法官可能會跟我們的希望有一點落差但是我們會持續的溝通跟這些法院的來聯繫啦希望能夠得到最好的結果是啦 因為也怕說這樣以後這裡的法官回到這裡我看都把他收容這樣也不對有時候想說這個 |
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把他綁起來 到時候檢測官又不高興 怎麼又有一些糾紛的所以我會說 啊 過去跟收容啦 也有可能會過頭去所以這樣的一個機制 您定期有在檢討那剛剛提到這個 我覺得這個少年 相關的人啊他們被詢問啦 叫來問 還是這個 |
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時間點啦 就是說上新盟 上澳表這時間點 現在還沒有一個好的共識就對了 |
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是不是要說 就是你們的法務部你們說你們有第三個困境嘛這個共犯取證的時機的機制嘛對 因為現在規定就是我們檢察官不能碰就是說這個案子在警察問完以後就要在24小時之內護送到少年法庭檢察官是不能碰所以我們要透過一個協商可能筆錄我們 筆錄啦或者是一些資訊 共享警察問你要筆錄給他們嗎 |
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警察的筆錄我們可以拿到即時拿到 對即時拿到 然後同步就到法院去了法院問完以後我們希望能夠同時就取得在少年法庭的筆錄這台法院現在有什麼問題嗎沒有問題 |
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報告委員沒有問題因為成立了兩邊的一個緊急聯繫窗口至少都紀錄科長隨時都on call那所以這個筆錄完法官馬上核定可以先傳真密封再補正式的公文都沒有問題因為剛才這個吳宗憲 |
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檢察官啦 不是 委員啦 他才做檢察官嘛他說有時候是這個偵查的技巧啦 細節部分喔他意思是說 發光到不發動盲唇 檢測光想要盲的那個味覺啦這 廳長 你的看法是怎樣 |
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確實在偵查實務上有一個指揮檢察官他就所有可能的情資他掌握的非常詳細那這些詳細資料都是密封的在檢察官那邊那我們 |
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少年法官是依據現場收證的資料來去問但是我們現在都會去注意這個共患 詐團共患所以會讓少年再多我們再多問他就在這個共患裡面他做什麼 什麼角色所以才會有很多地檢 |
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跟法院聯合起來說檢察官如果你有更細部要我們問的你可以密封送過來或傳真過來那我們的窗口拿到我們的法官願意在這個即時合法性詢問的程序跟實體詢問一起詢問接著筆錄送給你但那個剛剛大委員吳委員是說 |
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檢察官的去找出溯源跟法官不太一樣他是有這樣的說明所以現在這個機制也有啦就是說檢察官希望這個法官倒蒙什麼問題這個機制現在也有嘛 次長 |
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我們已經有這個機制我們也在持續的觀察說是不是推行的很順利我們在持續關注所以你們這個定期檢討的這個機制就繼續推下去年輕人有他們的管理還有這個有時候就是兩邊大家多溝通多協調才能這個案子辦下去會比較順利好 謝謝 |