| IVOD_ID |
165957 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165957 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-27T09:55:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-27T10:05:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0f4b7ea3958158597f574bb584b1d596bd93e540dfe0040e432a9691d58560b29eca1244ea1315045ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:37 - 10:05:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、 本院委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
三、 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、 本院委員馬文君等19人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
五、 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
六、 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等17人擬具「森林法第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
七、 本院委員盧縣一等16人擬具「森林法第九條之一及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
八、 本院委員游顥等25人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
九、 本院委員黃仁等29人擬具「森林法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、 本院委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「森林法第二條、第十七條之二及第五十六條之三條文修正草案」案。
十一、 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、 本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「森林法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。
十三、 本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「森林法第二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十四、 本院委員張雅琳等19人擬具「森林法部分條文修正草案」案。
(第十三及第十四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (僅詢答)） |
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謝謝主席我們請部長有請陳部長喂好 |
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部長為什麼我們大家會這麼重視我們森林法而且為什麼大家會希望能夠保有我們一些先民甚至一代一代傳承然後到現在他的土地基本上他的生活範圍都在這裡可是因為很多人 |
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他過去他的所謂的學識或是他的一些想法甚至他的一些識字的能力都沒有像現在所以過去並沒有保留那麼多的資料 |
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那導致現在會有一些爭議所以這是我們在地方的所有民代現在遇到的一個問題我們也常常開協調會沒有錯在我們有航測圖航測圖是一個非常直接的一個科技 |
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我们的一个延续因为它有好几个阶段行册有好几个阶段日据时代之前或明清时代之前或是在这当中我们大概都是在日据时代那个时候以那个为准则如果在最早一批那时候我们可以行册读的最早的日期是什么时候 |
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65到71年65年最早的一批65到71這段時間65到71嗎所以我們大概所有的一個 |
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化分點分水嶺都是在75年因為如果在75年到71年我們能拿到航測圖大概我們都認定說你可能在之前在早朝期我們的先民祖先就在這裡了然後一代一代傳承到現在可是現在我們有一些問題是 |
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他不一定會拍得那麼清楚過去的科技跟現在科技是不一樣的現在的科技可能會比較清楚一點可是在65年到71年那時候的航測圖未必那麼清楚我們還有人證物證你都可以舉證可是人證物證你說65年前那些棋老到現在未必都存在 |
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那你說有一些人證 物證 物證的部分你如果沒有 當時候也沒水電啊沒水沒電 你要怎麼去拿到這裡的資料所以其實現在很多的問題是在這個關卡可是事實上周邊的人都可以證明一炸就住在這裡 |
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這樣這邊怎麼辦就是說他可以知道里長可以證明嗎或是說很多周邊的一些人事物可以證明嗎這是現在最大的問題那很多公務人員就說不行啊我們的政府規定就是這樣你沒有認證不證可是當人證物證都不在的時候那他怎麼辦可是他現階段 |
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有一些地方的人士可以证明确实他爸爸他阿公他什么人住在家那他可以保有他这样的一个权利吗其实我们在谈的是在这个部分那因为国有财产署确实因为有六个他的一个权衡那我们 |
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林務局這邊是沒有林務局這邊是沒有的所以常常會有這些憾個所以這個也是我們希望說透過這次森林法有些我們能夠幫忙的而且確實當然如果他早就不住在這裡不可能因為我們不可能叫公務人員去違法這非常清楚我們是說有一些證據或是一些資料是真的可以證明 |
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可以證明那我們是不是應該更寬鬆 要不然他整個人都住在這裡這樣如果因為他的資料 因為東西 可能我們在這個65年的資料並沒有照得很清楚因為以前的科技跟現在不一樣了所以這個部分再拜託我們的部長稍微再去 |
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斟酌一下該怎麼樣去協助他們這可能是比較重要的謝謝委員 還有包括剛才那個戴華委員所提的我想我們內部會再去檢討比較務實面的部分以我的態度就是說只要能夠證明不要讓我們同仁在執法上造成一些違法的行為的部分 |
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我一定會盡可能的去做這樣的一個處理我們的前提就是不會讓我們公務人員違法所以我想我們會更積極的去做一些溝通看看委員有沒有什麼比較好的意見然後我們再納入相關的指標那這樣的話就會比較好一點因為既然我們今天在做這個森林法的修法 |
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那麼我們是不是可以藉著這個機會有一些能夠幫忙民眾的地方但是前提就是不讓我們公務人員違法這個前提非常重要第二個部分就是說我們在台南說真的它也是我們森林的重要基地我們國有林地就4740多公頃然後公有林地是121多公頃私有林地是4909多公頃 |
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所以在這個森林法的一個部分我們都希望我們如何保護它然後不要傷害它可是我們要怎麼樣給你們有武器所以其實我們剛剛我為什麼會剛剛拜託部長說因為你在報告的時候很多是說你們認為這個不應修法就依照原來的可是我們會提出來是我們認為要給你們更多的武器 |
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而且這個部分你加重他失火放火 銷毀生靈的罰則這些相關的 他會有壓力 |
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其实有压力他就不会去这么做没有压力他就会以身试法这是我们其实在这一次我们提出一些修法认为应该有更多的量能来防止这个森林大火的一个问题而且我们也知道在整个森林大火的起火原因有97%它是人为的 |
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他是人為的所以我們怎麼去遏止這樣的一個人為所以這也是我們這一次要修法所以我們到底要怎麼跨部會去防範森林大火部長我跟委員報告其實森林大火本身的防範最重要就是一些利害關係人不同的對象他可能包括 |
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有施工的小木屋施工的也有旅客去野炊的部分那不同的部分應該客製化去做一些宣導的一些講習跟訓練然後你認為宣導就夠了嗎宣導是絕對不夠的宣導是絕對不夠的但是相對的我有宣導但是我有罰則我覺得這兩個是要一起互用的部分然後還有就是說有一些 |
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可能的一些現在目前天然災害的這些這些系統 細胞簡訊的部分我們也可以來處理其實就是整個SOP啦就像部長所說的你們宣傳法則好 執行面呢 |
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執行面呢你這個SOP怎麼防範怎麼及時處理怎麼去跨部會做聯繫平台這不是你們農業部做就可以啦這必須要很多的單位一起好怎麼是事前預防宣導怎麼去如果發生的問題的時候有火災的時候有森林大火的時候你要怎麼去動員然後好你的水源點在哪裡這才是重點啊你看每一次森林大火一起來 |
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古老江都打不破為什麼沒有水源你沒有水源你怎麼打打滅所有的一個大火所以火災的破滅還有搶救它的取水地點它的取水方式這個一定的SOP |
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我们现在应该有这样的相关的SOP包括有一些取水点我们都有预备类似的蓄水池的部分万一有森林大火的部分不过我想这个部分我们应该更加强这个SOP的演练你要把它推出来这个SOP在哪里所有各部会到底在哪里我们要怎么做每一个人然后针对自己的位置如果发生问题的时候我们就可以第一时间 |
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然後往前做各自應該有的動作然後讓我們這個森林大火趕快撲滅這才是我們SOP的重點謝謝委員提醒我們所以這個部分再拜託我們的部長這也是我們為什麼那麼急著說你們都還沒送出來因為這是我們的優先我們認為應該要讓你們有武器然後去遏止有97%是人為 |
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這是很恐怖耶 這部分再拜託 謝謝 |