| IVOD_ID |
16595 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16595 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T14:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:36:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd9d3c58e6035bf089445fc32f41448fc04af80a8cb003b9ba545aa5bb5e50ecaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、財政部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室就「美國課徵對等關稅對我國交通公私部門之衝擊與因應」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:16 - 14:07:00 |
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好各位請坐好各位請坐 |
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好現在我們交通委員會正式已足法定人數現在我們開會請議事人員宣讀上一次會議記錄立法院第11屆第三會議交通委員會第六次全體委員會議議事錄時間104年4月9日星期三上午95分至下午24分地點本院紅樓201會議室主席委員李昆哲等15人練習委員李月琴等22人 |
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列席官員交通部部長陳士凱及政務次長陳彥博等主席許昭吉委員致詰報告四項一 宣讀商政會議議事錄決定議事錄確定二 處理113年度附屬單位預算官員交通部主管預算凍結案 |
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計44案決定個案書面報告已送達均予以被查提報院會邀請交通部部長陳世凱進行專題報告並備諮詢決定報告及詢問完畢討論四項一處理113年度附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計兩案二審查人民請願文書共12案 |
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本日會議專題報告及討論事項和並詢答由交通部部長陳士凱等報告後藉由委員洪孟凱等22人提出質詢均應部長陳士凱及相關人員分別予以答覆決議一報告及詢問完畢二為劉建國等事人所提書面質詢均列入記錄並刊登公報三委員質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及討論答覆部分請交通部盡數以書面答覆四討論事項一個案均同意董事提報院會 |
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五 討論思想二 個案均不成為議案依立法院資權行使法第六七條第二項規定續名理由及處理經過送由程序委員會報請院會存查並通知請院人散會宣讀完畢 |
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好謝謝那個會議確定我們稍等再來處理那因為我們今天特別請交通部來一做業務報告以及啊有關這個行政院這個美國課針對等稅對於我我們交通公部門的衝擊的專案報告所以首先 |
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首先我來介紹今天蒞臨的我們官員首先我們介紹交通部的陳世凱部長交通部觀光署的我們周署長公路局的局長陳局長鐵道局楊局長高速公路局趙局長 |
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民航局何局長航港局葉局長運輸所首長林首長中央氣象署李署長中華郵政董事長我們王董事長國營台鐵公司戴董事長吳董事長 |
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台灣港務公司李董事長台灣高速鐵路鄭董事長陽明海運蔡董事長中華電信簡董事長 |
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還有我們執行副總林副總我們內政部航警局局長廖局長還有抱歉桃園機場公司的楊董事長抱歉他太生氣了好 接下來我們特別感謝我們經濟部的政事何政事 |
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外交部政次陳政次財政部常次我們謝常次行政院經貿談判副總談判代表嚴副代表好那我接下來還介紹我們本會委員我們洪孟楷委員 |
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好那現在我們就請交通部我們各部會來針對問題 |
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呃針對我們交通部的業務以及美國課程對於關稅對於我國交通公司部門的衝擊跟因應的專案報告首先我們就請呃交通部的陳部長但是讓控制在15分鐘左右好不好好謝謝我們請陳部長15分鐘15分鐘 |
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主席各位委員先進今天應邀列席貴委員會就交通部主管重要業務提出報告聆聽各位委員的指教僅此表示感謝之意為了實現國家希望工程施政願景交通部以人本關懷為中心在AI行動內閣的推動下持續強化在智慧交通氣象、郵政、觀光等等的業務 |
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以科技結合人本 以更安全 更便捷 更友善的前提其與成為全民的交通後盾有關本部各個施政的重點已經編列成書面報告 送達貴委員會 敬請各委員指教以下僅就提升運輸安全與便利性 建構便捷且具任性的交通系統 |
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應用智慧交通科技推動永續數位觀光產業發展智慧郵政與氣象科技加速綠色運輸轉型等六大主軸提出簡要報告 |
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主軸一提升運輸安全與便利性的方面交通不只是移動的過程更攸關每一個人的安全跟生活品質交通部近年來致力於推動人本交通檢要說明交通意外改善的初步成效 |
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以113年相較112年30日死亡人數減少了73人受傷人數減少了15050人但是我們不以此為滿足交通部將持續透過道路工程改善以及智慧科技例如義照市路口的改善行穿 |
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限的這個退縮等等的措施持續提升交通的安全此外我們也積極推動道安三支建的政策強化行人的安全維護第一支建我們要增加穿越道路行人與停車車輛的停等車輛的緩衝空間預計在今年的六月底完成修法減少大型車輛因行車視野較高 |
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忽略穿越道路的行人第二支建改善道路行人穿越道的照明今年將持續改善400處的行人穿越道照明第三支建推動汽車隔熱紙透光率的管理提升將會召開會議凝聚社會共識之後再推動修法強化行車的安全 |
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交通部持續推動幸福巴士的計畫目前在全國的偏鄉地區公路公共運輸涵蓋率已經超過94%預計117年將達成全國368鄉鎮鄉鄉有公車的目標另外我們也協助輔導地方將幸福巴士從固定的營運模式轉型為彈性預約制服務 |
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並且讓偏鄉的公共運輸的質跟量都共同來提升為了確保鐵路的行車安全交通部持續推動國家鐵路安全計畫並且修正行車安全高風險項目的安全指標同步增加鐵路例行性的檢查頻率以預先掌握潛在的安全風險 |
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主軸二建構便捷而且具韌性的交通系統持續優化海陸空路網強化基礎設施的防災應變能力以及氣候風險管理的評估機制確保交通系統具備快速防護以及應變的能力打造高效智慧韌性的交通網除了將包含 |
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國一中風交流道的完工通車、淡江大橋的完工、蘇花安建設計畫的推行核定之外也將持續推動包含高鐵延伸宜蘭與屏東、花東地區鐵軌、雙軌電氣化的計畫 |
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台鐵海線雙軌化與都會區鐵路立體化的計畫而且在115年台南市的鐵路地下化的第一個階段預計將會來通車同時也提升都會區交通運輸功能以及品質台北捷運環狀線在東環已經開工並且推動台南捷運第一期藍線的綜合規劃作業 |
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目前桃園機場已經完成T3主體航廈全部16隻居住的吊樁預計在今年啟用北郎廳將可以增加旅客容納量到達580萬人次另外高雄機場新航廈東側立體停車場也將要來開工針對港口的建設預計在114年完成高雄港第三貨櫃中心碼頭改建工程第五貨櫃中心79 |
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號碼頭全自動化貨櫃碼頭的試營運未來可以提供2.4萬2級大型貨櫃船的這個駁靠靠駁此外配合離岸風電的政策114年預計完成高雄港A6碼頭及後線土地115年預計完成台中港37、38號碼頭的新建工程 |
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為了強化鐵公路的基礎建設防災韌性將針對國道以及省道的特性強化公路邊坡防災措施以及時掌握邊坡的狀況此外為了落實路權內邊坡的維護管理分級將頒布鐵路邊坡維護與管理規範將路權外的邊坡納入優先觀察的範圍之內 |
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台鐵也已經完成編撥落實告警系統並且在6月完成車輛入侵阻隔設施及告警系統的建置為了達到定期檢測發現問題及早改善的目的定期檢測與特別檢測國省道橋樑以期達到 |
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此外也針對鋼索之特性橋樑建置鎖立即時監測系統協助橋樑管理單位監測橋樑的狀況藉由建立公路預警防災的SOP透過警廣等等各個訊息的傳播管道告知疏導用路人以及及早預警封路的管制另外借近113年的4月 |
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花蓮大地震的經驗我們研擬了蘇花路廊三小時評估啟動輸運計畫的SOP提供給鐵公路中斷之後的輸運備援方案 |
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主軸三 應用智慧交通科技交通部藉由推動交通科技產業與創新發展加強運輸數據基礎以及加速智慧機場與智慧港口的建設致力於打造高效智慧運輸環境藉而推動交通運輸的數位轉型以及永續發展交通部透過公司協力的方式完成了隧道AI道路事件偵測等19件的合作計畫 |
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範圍橫跨了鐵道海港空港公路以及觀光等等的領域總共有27個交通場域導入了智慧交通的服務帶動了人寶電腦等等的30家企業投入11億的自籌款創造了17億交通服務創新資源以及一年1600人的工作機會促進交通相關經濟效益超過3億 |
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並且我們藉由無人機的技術除了推動偏鄉物流服務之外今年將規劃商業模式並且完成落地檢驗之外也會結合無人機與AI應用在橋樑的檢測今年將編撰智慧橋樑系統操作手冊以及指引並且辦理教育訓練推廣應用我們也建立運輸資料 |
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流通服務平台鼓勵民間業者加值應用提供多項服務給民眾能夠更便利例如Google地圖以及旅運規劃服務公車火車捷運以及U-bike的查詢還有車載導航等等的系統另外我們更導入了AI智慧的移控的技術 |
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協助19個縣市推動智慧交控中心改善運輸走廊擁塞的狀況並且已經在臺灣燈會等大型活動實際應用113年我們的桃園機場已經全數汰換71座的自動查驗通關系統將可以有效的加速旅客的通關的效率 |
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桃園航空自由港區的冷鏈物流艙已經取得了國際航空運輸協會的航空冷鏈認證有助於打造綠色物流通道促進生技醫療業的發展 |
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此外今年將完成新建桃園自由港區H棟廠房預計將可以增加600個工作機會並且創造3000億的貿易產值帶動AI產業聚落的發展 |
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交通部也持續的在推動智慧港口113年全面啟用高雄港第七貨櫃中心運用5G的技術打造全自動化的貨櫃櫃場114年我們更將完成高雄港第三貨櫃中心的改建提升貨櫃處理量並且啟用彰化風場航道船舶交通服務中心大樓 |
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將可以有效的擴大離岸風電的監控範圍此外我們將完成全港區提口不明傳播透過AI系統的建置及時發現不明傳播進港的異常事件並且提早告解主軸四我們將推動永續數位的觀光發展 |
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交通部積極培育觀光人才結合智慧科技強化觀光亮點與品牌的行銷提升台灣的國際競爭力同時結合低碳運輸與在地文化推動綠色旅行並且讓旅遊的體驗更加的環保更加的有深度目前正在籌辦的財團法人觀光發展研訓院的相關作業要來強化市場的研究還有人才的培育以及數位觀光的發展 |
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此外我們也透過北迴之巔旗艦計畫微笑南灣引台灣以及永續觀光景區亮點旗艦計畫建構台灣全新的觀光亮點帶動國內旅遊成長讓台灣的美景以及文化讓更多的人看見我們將持續推動國家風景區管理取得 |
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國際綠色旅遊認證並且將北海岸東北角等六個管理處升級為國家級智慧景區透過數位科技創造更優質的旅遊體驗 |
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讓旅行產業更有智慧更具吸引力我們將持續辦理各國的觀光會議持續推動觀光人才國際交流並且拓展海外的佈局114年預計將新增印度孟買辦事處等等達到17處駐外的辦事處7處的服務處 |
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有效強化國際的旅客服務並且提升台灣觀光在全球的競爭力透過這些努力我們要讓台灣成為智慧永續的旅遊勝地吸引更多的國際旅客帶動觀光產業的發展 |
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主軸五我們將發展智慧郵政與氣象科技113年我們啟用了郵政物流園區的自動倉儲設備有效提升電商物流效處理效率而且在114年也將完成園區內北台灣郵政作業中心自動化相關的工程預計可以集中處理全國70%以上的郵件分檢封送封運另外 |
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郵政的綠能車隊114年累計將完成淘汰3,940輛的電動機車達到50%的比例以響應政府低碳永續發展的政策 |
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交通部也引進先進的運算能力應用第六代高速運算電腦並且與NVIDIA合作加速AI氣象作業的技術發展我們今年將試辦路上強風特報鄉鎮燈號提供給鄉鎮尺度的強風預報以及燈號的分級並且預計完成建構雲林、宜蘭防災降雨雷達 |
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提升豪大雨的這個監測跟防災的能力此外我們也強化地震預警的服務我們除了在113年已經完成了高雄市都會區客製化的地震預警系統之外114年也將建置台中市都會區客製化地震預警系統將可以進一步提升地震預警的精準度以及時效 |
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主週六我們會加速綠色運輸的轉型為了鼓勵更多的民眾搭乘公共運輸我們推動了TPAS的通勤月票的服務也帶動了公共運輸的運量大幅的成長113年1月到11月我們總共的運量達到19.92億人次整體鐵公路以及公共運輸量比TPAS實施之前成長了28.98%顯示TPAS的政策 |
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有顯著的成效為了讓更多的人能夠受惠我們在114年1月推出了TPAS 2.0常客優惠回饋希望更進一步的讓公共運輸的使用率能夠提升讓低碳的公共運輸成為更多人的選擇共同邁向永續交通以及淨零碳排的目標 |
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113年國內的電動公車累計有3309輛已經達到年度的目標交通部後續將持續與縣市政府以及客運業者共同來合作達成市區公車全面電動化的政策目標交通部將跟經濟部共同來合作共同鼓勵民眾換購電動汽車以及電動機車以提升電動運具的市售比例 |
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在完備電動車使用的環境部分除了國道的15處服務區以及1處休息站都已經提供電動車的快充服務之外113年國內公共充電樁的數量已經達到了1535槍整體的這個車樁的比例已經符合了歐盟建立的標準甚至還更高讓電動車的行駛更加的便利更加的安心 |
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我們也將推動持續的推動綠色機場措施透過橋器、橋墊、太陽能光電設備以及地勤行李、拖行車的這個電動化降低碳排並且積極達成國際機場協會 |
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碳認證等級第四級的目標讓台灣的機場環境更環保更永續此外我們也已經完成台灣港群溫室氣體自願性盤查並且持續汰換燃油設備傳播進出港檢數以及鼓勵港區業者使用再生能源發電以及減少 |
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溫室氣體的排放此外根據行政院台灣岸電推動事辦計畫114年將完成高雄港郵輪岸電設置讓船舶在停靠停泊的時候可以用岸上的電力減少燃油的使用以及碳排放 |
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打造更低碳、智慧的港口這些措施將大幅減少運輸的碳排讓台灣的機場、港口更符合國際永續發展的標準成為世界減碳目標貢獻的一份力量安全、便捷、平權、永續這個不只是目標 |
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更是民眾對於交通部的期許也是我們最重要的使命交通部將秉持人本交通的精神並且以團隊合作的精神除了達成AI行動內閣的推動政策之外並且積極推動規劃各項 |
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利民建立建設以及政策有效的運用智慧科技提升服務品質以及效能我們希望能夠提供全民優質的交通服務讓全民共享永續有感的交通施政成果以上是交通部重要業務的施政報告敬請各位委員指教謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們陳部長這個特別加息一下因為大家都會誤會這個業務報告送來立法委員都不看經過大家看一下項目雖沒有改內容是有所改變所以這個要加以肯定不要其他的單位就像其他的單位他只有 |
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3250.194 |
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每一年的拿來照抄 9乘9都是照抄這份報告還算是符合我們立法委員所需求我再來補充介紹一下我們李昆哲委員好 還沒有報告以前我是否因為剛才議事人員已經宣讀我們上一次的會議紀錄我要請教各位委員這個會議紀錄有沒有意見 |
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好 沒有意見我們就確定那接下來我們就請經濟部的何敬昌次長原則性時間八分鐘以內 好不好好 謝謝 |
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主席各位委員大家好今天承蒙貴委員會邀請就美國課生對等關稅對我國交通公司部門之衝擊與因應進行報告敬請各位委員不吝示教 |
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3313.493 |
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美國總統川普在今年的3月26號宣布依據美國貿易擴張法第232條款對所有不在美國製造的汽車整車及車用零組件徵收25%的關稅整車包含乘用車與輕型卡車等車用零組件包含我國主要輸出產品如車身保險桿及車燈等 |
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113年我國車輛產業含整車及零組件總產值達新台幣5023億元其中整車2077億元佔比41.3%零組件2946億元佔比58.7% |
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車輛產業就業人口約有8.3萬人我國車輛產業出口美國為35.58億美元整車出口美國0.96億美元佔整車總外銷值10.5%主要產品為全地行車ATV您主建出口美國34.62億美元佔您主建總外銷值52% |
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主要產品為車燈保險桿等售後服務產品主要的廠商分布是在桃園彰化以及台南等區域因應美國關稅的這個新政本部已經召開三場產業的座談會了解產業受衝擊的狀況那業者表示由於車用產品測試的驗證期比較長所以評估短期客戶仍然會持續下單但是部分業者表示將持續與客戶協商因應或評估擴大美國 |
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美國廠的產能那車輛公會也呼籲政府來正視汽車產業鏈上下游30萬就業人口對經濟與就業的貢獻希望政府能夠為產業爭取最大的利益那行政院已經提出因應美國關稅我國出口供應鏈支持方案整合跨部位的資源擬定九大面向共20項的措施投入總經費880億元全力讓國家經濟穩定產業發展穩定 |
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國人生活安心那其中本部投入410億元那總共這個提供這個金融支持提升產業競爭力開拓多元市場等三大面向共四項支持措施協助受影響業者 |
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那以下就重點說明這四項支援措施第一項外銷貸款優惠保證加碼是提供外銷貸款優惠信用保證第二項中小微企業貸款加碼是提供周轉性支出及購置機器設備貸款並搭配利息補貼及信用保證第三項補助研發轉型鼓勵企業技術升級打造更高規格的新產品佈局 |
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國際多元市場第四項爭取海外訂單補助企業 |
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海外新設展示中心發貨倉庫等實體據點或新增代理代理商或經銷商等協助企業拓展國際市場佈局本部同時也設立免付費諮詢專線及建立網站網頁專區來供業者查詢運用那後續也將持續關注美國關稅新政的最新動態及召開產業集團 |
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會來瞭解業者的心聲與需求讓政策能夠更符合產業的需要以上報告敬請各位委員施政謝謝好謝謝我們經濟部何俊棠次長那接下來我們請外交部陳明祺次長來做報告原則性還是8分鐘以內 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生、大家早安那麼稱謀貴委員會邀請外交部前來就美國科徵對等關稅對我交通公司部門之衝擊與因應進行專題報告並備質詢以下提出本部的說明敬請主席跟各位委員不吝私教 |
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3553.306 |
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那麼川普政府上任後推動多項美國優先的這個貿易以及投資政策並且在美東時間本月二日宣布新的關稅措施包括從4月5號開始對所有國家進口貨品課徵10%的基礎關稅 |
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自從4月9號開始對57國課徵11到50%不等的對等關稅那麼我國的稅率是32%川普總統之後在關稅原計生效日再宣布暫緩實施90日另外因應中國對美國課徵報復性關稅經過川普總統陸續調升對中國關稅之後 |
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現在中國的貨品出口到美國,現在一共面對到的是145%的關稅。針對美國科徵對等關稅的衝擊因應,行政院已經提出了因應美國關稅我國出口供應鏈的支持方案,就好像剛才經濟部已經報告,我們這邊不再贅述。 |
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外交部也將積極配合行政院經濟外交工作委員會,透過跨部會的資源整合,強化資訊交流與協作,並且共商因應措施,降低川普總統關稅政策對我國包含交通產業等在內衝擊。 |
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3662.813 |
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面對到美國總統提出對等關稅後的全球新局外交部現在正在跟國內相關的部會來共同執行總統所提出的深化台美經貿關係的路徑圖我們透過台美之間既有的對話管道跟機制向美方強調台美雙方共享深切的經貿利益 |
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那麼在本月10日的時候,我們都要看得到,總統投書美國媒體Bloomberg,提出了深化台美經貿關係的路徑圖,包括以降低台美間所有的關稅為共同目標,尋求共同重啟貿易談判,擴大對美在能源、農業、工業以及軍售的採購, |
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3699.107 |
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增加雙方投資的量能以及致力排除非關稅的貿易障礙等等的具體措施回應川普總統的關稅政策 |
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3729.347 |
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賴總統也強調將正中回應美方對高科技產品的出口管制以及低價商品違規轉運等等的問題我們知道台美的經貿談判團隊已經在本月11日跟美國相關官員進行過視訊會議就台美的對等關稅、非關稅的貿易障礙以及出口管制等等的議題進行意見溝通 |
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本部將持續的透過既有的對話管道跟機制來強化溝通我們也會協助成立台美聯合艦隊善用美國的市場、科技、資金跟人才等等優勢在全球供應鏈重組的時候強化台灣的關鍵地位促進經濟安全 |
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外交部也持續的會協同國內各個部會推動相關的因應策略具體的做法如下首先是擴大對美的採購以降低貿易逆差第二我們會擴大對美的投資讓台美的經貿合作更加緊密提升台灣的經貿戰略地位 |
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除了台積電已經宣布對美再投資至少一千億美金以外美國白宮聲明已經多次將台灣承諾擴大對美投資列為重要政績凸顯台美雙方是互利共榮的供應鏈關係 |
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3796.964 |
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3811.655 |
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總統也宣布將會成立跨部會的台灣投資美國隊支持雙邊的貿易跟投資此外我們的企業也響應美國商務部舉辦的SelectUSA Investment Summit選擇美國投資高峰會並且我們將會參與到半導體供應鏈 |
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3818.84 |
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3846.701 |
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人工智慧及量子科技以及無人機供應鏈分團赴美各州強化我國產業與美國公司部門的對接強化台美在經貿、科技、安全領域的供應鏈合作外交部會跟相關部會共同協助我國業者來了解赴美的投資環境結合台美雙方的優勢增進台美的經貿地位及加強供應鏈的合作 |
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3870.955 |
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提升臺灣的整體的經貿地位的這個地位第三個我們本部將會視需求在臺美既有的管道機制裡面納入相關的議題強化雙方在交通運輸領域的這個合作臺美曾經在2024年第五屆的這個經濟繁榮夥伴對話EPPD的正式會議上面討論 |
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3873.116 |
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運輸經濟脅迫、運輸供應鏈與投資安全及能源轉型的議題雙方也曾經就運輸安全等的領域潛在合作機會交換意見外交部也將持續的關切川普政府針對交通相關產業比如說汽車產業 |
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3893.424 |
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3906.314 |
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綱領以及造成等等的政策並配合各個主政部門的需求適時了解將相關的議題納入台美經貿政策溝通平台的可能性擴大台美的合作領域並且使雙方的經貿合作更加緊密 |
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3910.297 |
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3928.764 |
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那麼外交部在總統跟行政院的指導之下將會在美國暫緩實施關稅的90天內與我國的相關部會合作那麼積極的對美交涉我們期盼共同將美國的對等關稅的政策衝擊降到最低 |
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3929.344 |
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台美之間的這個夥伴關係建立在對自由民主的堅定信念歷年來並肩抵禦共產主義擴張並且共享經濟與安全利益外交部將積極與各相關部會合作執行深化台美經貿關係的路徑圖將台美的經濟關係的挑戰轉化為經濟動能任性與策略調整的新機會台美 |
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3954.736 |
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更加緊密的這個貿易關係應該有助於雙方的經濟更可以成為區域安全的重要支柱以上報告那麼謝謝主席跟各位委員那麼敬請各位委員先進不吝指教繼續給予各本部大力的支持感謝好謝謝我們外交部陳明祺次長那接下來請財政部的謝林環次長原則性也是八分鐘以內 |
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3989.936 |
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主席 各位委員 先進 大家好過委員會邀請相關部會就美國科徵對等關稅對我國交通公司部門的衝擊與因應提出專題報告緊究涉及財政部業務部分檢要說明如下 敬請指教 |
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美國政府於本年4月3日依據貿易擴張法第232條的規定公告進口汽車及零組件關稅稅率適用25%的稅率汽車至4月3日生效汽車零組件部分至5月3日生效 |
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4023.982 |
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4032.306 |
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說明我國對該等貨品的一個進出口的一個情形在小汽車部分我國汽車進口關稅稅率是17.5%113年進口總值新台幣2651億元 |
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4040.09 |
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其中至美国进口303亿元占比11.4%我国1000cc以上的小客车113年出口总值有212亿元其中对美出口的值仅0.5亿元占比0.2%汽车零组件部分我国汽车零组件进口关税税率介于免税 |
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到17.5%之間113年進口總值有2474億元其中至美國進口值有136億元佔比5.5%我國汽車零組件113年出口總值有3237億元其中對美出口值1460億元佔比45.1% |
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美国对对等关税对我国相关产业的一个发展财政部也提供相关的一个资源措施在金融支持方面为减轻厂商的资金成本提供出口厂商两千亿元的一个贸易融资利息优惠 |
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针对具备出口美国外销时机或其关联产业且受到美国关税影响营收的这些厂商给予我国出口厂商贸易融资待放年利率减码1%每家厂商每年可以减收利息最高到500万元中小企业或金主管机关认定受美国关税冲击影响较大的厂商每年利率甚至可以提高减码可以提高到 |
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1.5%每家廠商每年可以減收利息最高到600萬元同時提供出口廠商投保1651億元輸出保險費用的減免透過減輕廠商投保輸出保險對國外買主徵信費和保險費的負擔最低以一折來計收鼓勵我們廠商去開發新市場還有新客戶 |
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在公股銀行的協助方面,針對企業貸款戶受美國關稅影響衝擊營運者,財政部也將持續督導公股銀行依據金管會辦理對於企業的融資寬緩措施,就符合條件者提供環繳本息。 |
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或展延借款年期的一个协助来减轻企业的资金压力令公股银行对于中小及微型企业振兴融资方案也持续推动办理中为我们中小微的企业稳健经营创新与转型提供金融支持 |
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在租稅协助方面,现行的产业创新条例针对各个产业有提供多项的租税优惠措施,包括研发支出投资抵减、智慧机械等设备投资抵减、关键产业制研发及先进制程设备投资抵减、投资新创事业的租税优惠、未分配盈余实质投资减除等,都来协助产业升级转型。 |
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另外因應數位及綠色的雙手轉型協助企業因應國際經貿情勢的轉變行政院已經提出產業創新條例的修正草案延期第十條之一智慧機械等設備投資抵減的施行期間擴大適用範圍及提高支出上限並修正二十三條之一及二十三條之二鼓勵資金益助新創事業適用條件 |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
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財政部將持續關注產業發展及國際情勢配合產業政策檢討租稅優惠措施給予企業支持及維持國家經濟成長的動能 |
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納稅人倘受美國實施對等關稅的政策衝擊致發生財務困難不能於稅捐繳納期間一次繳清應繳稅款者可依稅捐基徵法向基徵機關申請延期及分期繳納稅款本部已規劃延長今年5月的所得稅結算申報期間到6月底此外在降低業者的行政成本方面 |
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自本年4月起我們的保稅業者按月匯報的報關案件可以免除減負裝箱單及我們的保稅業者每個月只需要匯整申報一份報單對於保稅業者與保稅區或科稅區之間的一些相關供應鏈的出貨案件均適用放寬措施經統計科學園區保稅工廠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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保學倉庫、物流中心、科技產業園區、農業科技園區及智茂港區約有1,224家業者可以受惠每個月可以減少製作約20萬份的裝箱單及10萬小時的作業時間大幅降低業者的行政作業成本 |
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此外海關也在今年4月起對前開科學園區的業者透過保稅的智慧服務平台擴大實施遠端集合減少我們海關的實地監管的查核作業降低行政干預有助減輕業者的一個法尊成本 |
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至於有關是否調降汽車跟汽車零組件關稅跟汽車貨物稅的問題這是外界非常關心的一個問題關稅政策除影響國庫稅收也涉及國內產業的政策參據經濟部提供的一個產業面的意見我國車輛產業正值燃油車轉型電動車的關鍵時期談調降或取消關稅 |
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恐有国产车厂及零组件车厂官厂撤离之余,影响产值及相关从业人员的生计,亦导致国产车竞争力与研发技术能量下滑,冲击下世代车辆产业的发展。汽车及汽车零组件关税税率是否调降,我们财政部将会与产业主管机关经济部来审慎评估考量。 |
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今年財政部配合產業交通及環境政策以對電動車輛或中古汽機車及老舊大型車提供派救換薪等減免貨物稅的措施且一體適用於國產及進口營稅貨物已有實質減輕貨物稅的租稅負擔是否進一步調降汽車貨物稅的稅率我們財政部也會與產業主管機關來審慎評估 |
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財政部持續關切美方後續的相關措施依據行政院整體的規劃方案就各產業主管機關審慎評估產業所受的一個影響及國際情勢來給予我們受衝擊企業相關的支持並配合團隊的需要提供相關的資訊以上報告敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝我們財政部謝林源次長 |
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那這個我在這裡補充介紹一下因為剛才抱歉中華航空公司的高董事長高董事長也恭喜他啦 榮厚董事長也要拜託一下中華品質會越來越好抱歉剛才不跟你介紹他了好 接下來我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的我們顏惠欣副代表 |
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時間還是在8分鐘以內主席 各位委員 各位女士 大家好陳孟貴委員會的邀請本辦公室來就今天這個主題來提出報告那以下簡要二要的說明也請各位委員來不吝指教我想首先我們要說明的是川普政府上任之後他有兩大的主軸 |
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目的是要去調整美國的經濟結構以及它的體質而它的兩大主軸包括了以美國為優先的貿易政策以及投資政策那我們首先說明在貿易政策上面美國認為過去因為各國的關稅不對等跟美國的不對等邊境措施匯率的一些問題導致美國現在貨幣嚴重的赤字那這也就是讓美國現在產業空洞化 |
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因此美國認為對於因應這個問題他要採取的措施就是要採取對等關稅然後審查他現在美國現有的這些FTA然後包括了他對於汽車鋼鋁木材銅這些產品 |
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要去科徵所謂可能構成國家安全的232的鋼鋁稅那有些已經在實施當中那此外呢他也在4月14號已經公布對於半導體藥品他預告要針對這幾項產品來展開所謂232國家安全的這個公共意見的徵詢 |
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那這是在貿易政策的部分在投資政策上面他也另外他是他的這個政策主軸所以呢他認為美國現在要去強化做很多的投資審查特別他要去避免很多的這些美國的關鍵產業受到其他有一些他覺得有威脅的外資所控制特別是他在意的這些半導體人工智慧量子跟生物技術的這些領域也因此你會看到他希望 |
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要吸引更多他信賴的盟友去加大在美國的投資目的是要去創造美國的再工業化那所以在這些川普很明定川普政府明定的兩大政策目標之下我們會看到4月2號他公布了對等關稅 |
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就是要來處理這些所謂貨品貿易赤字的問題那所以呢他提出了第一個呢這個對等關稅本身4月5號公布以後他是對超過180個國家以上都公布了所有的產品實施對等關稅所以在原本這超過180個國家 |
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蕭美的這些產品 蘇美的這些所有產品是在這個關稅的基礎之上在一律加徵對等關稅第二個呢這個對等關稅的分佈對超過180個國家蘇美的產品一律先從10%開始科企那當然他對於逆差比較多的有57國所以他會 |
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改為加徵個別關稅11到50%不等的對等關稅而台灣是32%那不過川普政府在4月10號他又公布了 |
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把這些拿到個別國家的對等關稅暫停去適用而仍然維持按照原本的10%的對等關稅來加以實施除了中國直接提高到125%所以這個是我們現在所看到的對等關稅的分佈情形 |
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那這個在等90天以後才會確認對等個別國家的對等關稅是否會提高那此外呢這個對等關稅他還有排除一些項目就是我剛才提到的他可能是現在科徵232的產品包括了鋼鋁 |
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及衍生性汽車及零組件都按照原本的232的25%的條款來科徵關稅此外正在進行232的調查的包括銅木材 |
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以及剛4月14號剛公告的預計要展開調查公眾諮詢的藥品半導體資通訊那此外還有一些精調能源等相關的物品也都排除在對人關稅 |
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那我想今天針對汽車的部分呢如同我剛剛提到的汽車不適用不適用對等關稅他不是他適用的範圍而是屬於3月26號美國針對汽車及汽車進口汽車及離組件課徵 |
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232的25%的加徵關稅所以他也沒有對等關稅疊加的問題他就是純粹是25%的關稅那不過因為商務部他 |
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有提到這個25%的關稅呢是依據2019年他們經過232的國家安全的調查以後認為這些進口汽車及零組件確實有對美國的汽車產業產生的國家安全因此必須要扣任這個關稅那目前我們看到台灣蘇美的這個以汽車零組件為主因此我們現在消美的主要的這個 |
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關稅呢就是會是這個國安稅25%加上原本我們現在輸銷到美國既有汽車零組件0到2.5%不等的這個關稅那我想這些適用的產品跟生效的日期剛剛我們前面的相關的部會都有說明我在這邊就略過不談那總結而言呢我們看到 |
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我國因應這些美國對等關稅的一些做法我們首先當然在我們的賴總統的指示之下我們會持續透過協商的方式讓美國了解台灣跟美國在整個地緣政治戰略經濟上產業上面的一個合作 |
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那我們也會持續的提升台灣產業在這個全球供應鏈上面的地位那對於美國的對等關稅我們沒有要計劃採取關稅報復那所以這是基本上我們的協商談判的基本立場第二個呢政府已經組成了談判的小組那由行政院政府院長領軍所以我們會透過 |
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爭取改善對等關稅然後以降低台美所有關稅為共同的目標但是我們在除了談關稅以外還會有其他非關稅的議題我們也會兼顧國民的健康以及糧食安全然後鄭重來回應美國其他對於我們高科技的出口管制以及低價商品違規轉運的問題 |
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此外我們的產業主管機關也都已經盤點可能對於受到對冷關稅衝擊的製造業跟農業也都給予了相關的盤點以及會已經提供公布會去提供的這個因應支援的方案那此外呢我想對我們經貿談判的這個工作上面我們會持續的 |
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跟有盟國家合作來開拓更多元的市場那我們的目的是希望協助我們的台商能夠調整海外的生產基地形成台灣嘉義的策略那最重要的就是這個台灣嘉義是所謂的台灣加美國的這個新佈局那希望我們的台灣企業是跟流台灣可以加碼投資台灣但是也可以佈局全球 |
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那所以總結而言呢我想美國是我們最重要的安全投資及貿易夥伴我們會持續地立足台灣佈局全球行銷全世界那以上報告 敬請主席跟各位委員指教 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們談判辦公室的嚴慧欣副代表那最後我們還是請交通部啊也就是針對公部門衝擊的因應這個專案報告好那請我們那個司長來做報告時間原則性不要超過8分鐘拜託 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今天應邀至委員會就美國課徵關稅對我國交通公司部門之衝擊與因應進行報告請請各位委員指教首先在衝擊評估部分美國原宣布自四月九日起對我國出口至美貨物課徵三十二的關稅後於四月十日宣布於九十天內先維持在百分之十我國對外貿易仰賴海空運輸美國是我國第二大出口國家如未來仍維持 |
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高關稅政策恐對我國國際海空運輸造成影響亦連帶影響國內貨櫃貨運量坦後續造成各國通貨膨脹等連鎖反應亦恐影響觀光旅遊市場由於美國關稅政策仍持續變動中相關影響仍待持續觀察緊究可能之衝擊與影響說明如下海運部分全球前20大貨櫃行商我國行商集佔有三席包括長榮、陽明基、萬海 |
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113年我國國際商港直接出口至美國貨櫃量約59萬2主要為鋼鐵與塑膠等製品可能影響評估短期尚未有航商航線及航班調整規劃為受到之前4月9日將實施對等官會制影響原有部分貨主取消頂藏為因美國已暫緩科徵高關稅短期的裝載力已逐漸恢復後續的變化仍需持續的觀察 |
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空運部分113年國際及兩岸航空客運量合計約5356萬人次經營非美航線業者計有5家載客數約391萬人次113年我國航空出口貨物合計約233萬噸蘇美貨物約37萬噸可能影響評估客運部分目前尚未有取消航班情形 |
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貨運部分由於對等關稅措施對全球貿易供應鏈及航空運輸可能發生重組作用航空公司已密切注意市場需求變化輸運部分 汽車貨運業 汽車路線貨運業及汽車貨櫃貨運業共計有5900餘家113年載運貨運量約5萬餘噸 |
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台鐵貨運則以水泥石灰石及砂石等大宗貨物為主可能影響評估汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業以配送國內物件為主經評估目前尚無影響汽車貨櫃貨運業則以載運國際貨物為主可能受到海運貨櫃變化而產生連帶的影響 |
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台鐵部分以內需為主之水泥砂石等原物料或需求可能因國內工程建設動能改變而變動觀光部分113年東北亞來台旅客佔入境旅客約三成東南亞佔三成港澳及歐美新興市場佔四成114年第一季來台旅客渴望突破210萬人次 |
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可能影響評估目前美國課徵關稅尚未直接影響觀光產業當引發全球貿易戰造成各國通貨膨脹將波及商務旅客亦影響長程線旅客來台意願並可能使出境旅遊需求轉向國內旅遊郵政部分113年我國出口至美國國際罕見包裹等合計約166萬件可能影響評估 |
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美國對等關稅對中華郵政C2C的基建模式尚無直接影響為因關稅提高造成出口需求降低可能導致國際郵件量減少並美國針對中國及香港取消小額郵件免稅待遇因台灣出口郵包並願被納入影響上代觀察 |
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在因應措施部分共分為三大面向及六項措施第一大面向掌握貨物變化協助海空運業者增加營運彈性措施一強化彈性應對市場變動國際海空貨運自由化程度高業者會依據市場變化機動靈活調整航線班次本部民航局及航港局將審慎因應協助業者機動調整全球航網布局及增加營運彈性 |
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措施二 因應轉單及出口需求啟動應變機制因應可能產生之轉單及急單效應港公司已要求自營櫃場投入船席與後線場地支援並研議提高獎勵誘因 以提升中轉貨量令堂短期有艙位供需失衡情形本部航港局將即時啟動國際海運運輸評管小組機制協調國籍航商增加航班艙位 |
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第二大面向滾動調整行銷佈局提升觀光吸引力措施一靈活調整行銷措施拓展多元觀光客源因應國際市場經濟受影響程度不同本部觀光署將適時調整行銷推廣策略提高獎勵誘因並滾動檢討調配市場佈局以分散風險措施二推出主題旅遊強化國旅吸引力推動國旅主題旅遊及大型活動並 |
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推出台灣PASS三大全新升級產品優化台灣官發整體行銷串接旅遊優惠吸引國人參與與消費第三大面向持續掌握營運情形適時提供支持措施措施一關注美關稅政策審慎因應美國對等關稅逾90天維持在10%短期對台影響降低本部將持續關注並掌握各交通產業客戶運量變化及營運情形以降低因關稅產生的可能影響 |
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措施二配合行政院支持方案強化交通產業韌性行政院目前依舊出口供應鏈提出支持方案協助我國出口導向產業穩定發展談未來關稅衝擊交通產業發展本部將依據受影響層級適時提供支持措施結語 |
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由於交通運輸為衍生性需求與國內外的產業鏈息息相關本部將持續關注交通運輸與觀光產業發展動態針對產業特性事實給予必要協助以強化整體運輸與觀光體系之應變能力並確保產業之彈性與韌性以上報告 敬請各位委員會議指教 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們交通部市長來現在我們就進行答詢先先告以下的事項執行時間出席委員6加1分鐘因為今天登記委員特別多所以就6加1分鐘列席委員4分鐘4分鐘 |
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那委員花言登記的時間十點半截止十點半截止各委員如果有臨時提案請以十點鐘以前提出以便議事人員來彙整暫定十點三十分休息十分鐘中午言則不休息那現在我們請登記第一位的洪孟楷委員執行 |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請交通部陳部長 外交部陳次長跟經貿談判辦公室嚴副代表陳部長好 |
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我先請教一下次長跟副總代表好不好就是說各界大家都關心啦就是說現在我們也看到對美談判的部分我們持續緊鑼密鼓嘛但是確實昨天是第一波的談判名單沒有我們那我們應該還是會努力爭取希望能夠爭取在前段班談判對吧 |
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報告委員我們是在第一波已經進行過相關的視訊會議我知道但是說昨天五個國家裡面沒有我們第一梯的談判名單但我們會持續努力爭取前段班的談判是吧我們是會爭取但是我們已經進行過首次的視訊的互動我想這個的效力也是跟面對面的溝通是類似的 |
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好那昨天我們總質詢裡面很多委員都關心到對美談判的一個進度的部分那其中卓榮泰院長有提到是說購買美債也可能會是選項之一這個是有經過我們內部這個談判小組的一個共同討論跟盤點我們是不是請這個來麻煩Otn簡單說明就可以了 |
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我想很多的談判的細節我們是不方便在這邊做進一步因為台美的談判這個默契啦那所以就是就您剛剛提到的副總代表這是昨天卓榮泰院長回答委員質詢的時候所說他說美債是談判選項之一 |
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對就是任何我們覺得可以去解決降低美國所在的貿易逆差的問題我想都是開放討論的那應該有注意到是說央行總裁楊金榮也曾經講過說如果美方他現在要轉換把他美債轉換成長期債的話這有可能會造成這個金融上的風險這一點我們有注意到我們談判小組裡面也有央行相關的人員 |
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我想所有的經貿相關的議題的相關的部會都有參與好 最後啦我只是請教一下就當然細節的部分我們還是希望我們外交同仁一起好好努力那但是談判是give and take所以說也有縣市長建議是說那現在是不是也有機會利用這樣的一個談判空間來爭取我們希望過去一直強調跟美國要達成的FTA是有這個考慮嗎 |
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我當然說我的這個選項我們跟這個談判的運用上面都會非常的靈活那麼現在目前來說我們是這個避免台美雙重瞌睡是成為一個重要的所以我們也有提出可能跟美國爭取FTA的可能性我們會再爭取好OK來謝謝兩位請先請回我們還是回歸到交通部部長來部長 |
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本席剛剛特別聽了一個小時的一個報告所有的部會我們都您聽那其中交通部不管是業務報告或者是我們相關的針對美國關稅的部分其實你在美國關稅的因應的對策裡面寫的相對還是比較保守 |
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有強調觀光產業可能會造成大衝擊對不對那其他的產業咧現在我特別有看到你們內部的報告裡面有講到是說航運的部分有可能調整那要爭取我們這個轉運的部分是不是講一下因為你特別裡面有提到是說要有提出相關的獎勵誘因 |
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是怎麼樣一個具體的方式我們目前的影響其實都還在觀察當中但是變化非常的快速沒有到很大但是很快速例如說上個禮拜我在這裡備詢的時候那個時候的我們整體的運艙量降低了差不多5% |
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那到現在是增加了5%所以中間變化其實蠻大變化蠻快但是他的變化幅度並沒有很大減少5%跟增加5%這樣的差距而已但是我們還是先預作準備預作準備的意思就是說有兩個可能性一個可能是會塞港 |
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突然很大量的從台灣的港口進出對 尤其東南亞他可能要避開其他關稅等等部分所以你們特別有提到是說會有獎勵機制以及因應的變化方式這是一個可能性就是說很大量的進來那也有另外一個可能性那個可能性就是突然停頓下來像現在中國的狀況就是突然他的港口就突然停頓下來這兩種可能都有那這兩種我們都在預作準備當比較少的時候沒有人要來的時候我們當然就要鼓勵 |
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就要獎勵希望鼓勵嘛那如果多的時候我們就希望港澳公司先把空間先空出來把我們的盤點可以出來的土地先空出來有可能會塞港或是可能貨運量很大的時候我們要做這樣的準備所以兩套的準備其實是不一樣的是 部長這都在您的書面報告本期問的是說書面報告以延伸的部分我們具體的措施是什麼目前獎勵的措施有嗎這個貨櫃獎勵措施已經出來了嗎 |
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其實我們是每年都有針對貨櫃的獎勵因應這一次的關稅的原因所以我們會做的會更周延大概一個禮拜內 |
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不要說我們自己提出來的報告好像自己都沒看的感覺啦來 部長那另外再請教 因為現在行政院880億其中是經濟部700億 農業部180億但是沒有其他部會那我們當然盤點之後 我昨天也問中太院長中太院長講說有可能提出來方案因為要在一個禮拜跟產業界溝通有可能提出來會比880億整體更多那就交通部門來講我們有沒有要提出 不管是觀光方面 |
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不管是相關的產業衝擊方面有沒有提出因應這一波的關稅然後特別預算編列進去來爭取行政院的支持報告委員這個部分目前都還在滾動檢討當中下個禮拜就要出來因為實際上是這樣 |
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行政院院長承諾說下個禮拜要出來那照理講各部會這個禮拜應該就已經要統整報告員影響的部分我剛剛有說它的變化非常快速但幅度還沒有到很大我剛剛在講的是航運業那我再跟您報告就是說觀光業的部分目前觀光業兩個指標其實蠻重要一個就是說我們要看郵輪跟這個航空的定位的這個開票的狀況有沒有下降 |
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那目前看起來是還沒有第二個是看我們國內的這個定房率有沒有下降那目前看起來也都還沒有所以不過我們還是審慎並且很謹慎的隨時都在關注這個數字的變化當有需要之前我們大概就會先提出來那目前為止我們的產業以交通產業來說目前為止還沒有遇到那麼大的衝擊那我們還在評估當中那我所知道行政院目前是針對公我們還在看變化 |
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如果有變化我們當然會提部長是下個禮拜行政院院長的講法是他就會送出行政院版的特別條例匡列多大的預算那裡面包括哪一些項目送來立法院來審查所以如果說你沒有超前部署先去因應也許七月八月觀光可能的需求你先報給行政院來去爭取這個預算的話你怎麼有辦法加入呢 |
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這個就是我現在在提的部長這個應該是你們要去做的事情相對來說現在行政院要求各部會因為880億是一個餅那你要送進來立法院變特別條例特別條例 您知道在之前疫情之後所謂的振興經濟方案行政院送特別條例進來到真正三讀通過中間有多久時間嗎 |
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時間我不曉得兩個多月是所以換言之即便是那時候疫情結束之後的振興方案3800億行政院提出來要到立法院正式刪除通過都要兩個多月的時間的時候中間還要審查中間還要調整那當然你們各部會就應該要盤點現在有可能的衝擊來跟行政院要求跟爭取啊不是嗎 |
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報告委員大概會有影響的部分有可能的是觀光那觀光的部分我們正在盤點中什麼時候可以盤點出來 |
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不是 不要讓我們大家都在這邊一起解決問題剛剛的報告我們也我跟李昆哲委員我們來這邊坐了一個小時聽各部會的一個報告有道理的地方我們聽但是我們現在針對站在民眾的角度我們提醒你們應該要超前部署的部分不能一問三不知不能問了都是說還在盤點問了都是還在檢討問了都是還在準備 |
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那這樣國人要各位坐在辦公室裡面每天就想著畫大餅就好了 |
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委員這件事情可能還是要說明一下因為部長講得很清楚因為我們現在在觀察的部分我們也有一些相關的方案在研擬這個沒有問題所以會不會跟行政院爭取就是說行政院報出來的下個禮拜報出來的特別條例要送立法院裡面會不會有屬於交通部針對觀光協助的這一塊 |
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我們目前還在評估中因為我們自己本身也有積極預算所以我們相關的部分所以預算也都夠用嘛還在處理非常好署長講說預算都還很夠用來最後啦那個部長是 |
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方方面面很多問題今天真的時間有限來我只講幾個部分第一郵輪上個禮拜我們國際郵輪你剛有特別提到觀光部分那郵輪也有遇到這個delay的狀況那造成說前一班的郵輪3000多名被困在沖繩後一班被迫取消那我想國際上當然我有看到交通部馬上就已經要求是說要消機會等相關部會來做應變會議 |
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那現在的補償方案以及遊客的權益是不是有已經兼顧了目前已經講到差不多200美金的補償那看起來應該大部分的旅客應該是接受的所以從一開始的50美金然後到100美金到現在交通部介入之後爭取到200美金一個人還是一個艙位一個人一個人200美金來部長從最早50美金到100那現在已經20050嘛到100到現在到200好 |
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部長有沒有看到這就是有官方介入主管機關讓消費者擔任消費者的後盾跟靠山而且也讓這個國際業者當然業者要來開拓市場我們歡迎但是也要有合理的保護機制所以是不是因應未來我國更多的這種郵輪的旅遊我們事先研擬一個公平的標準 |
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就如果說未來發生類似的事情的時候就不用還要再開應變方案而是我們就已經預先有相關的保障如同類似消費者保護契約一樣就是能夠有一個標準讓所有業者依規則可循可以嗎永久說的這個部分我們正在做什麼時候可以做出來 |
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因為過去沒有嘛那我們現在因應這樣的一個狀況那未來我肯定現在正在做的部分那什麼時候能夠做出來那個部分其實有啦只不過他的保障可能還沒有那麼全面那我們現在在做修訂當中什麼時候能夠修訂出來因應未來有可能的狀況因為如果說郵輪越來越多那我們只有可能這樣的發生率 |
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有可能會還有下一次嘛來 各位報告針對國際委員販售船票的這個固定型化契約的應記載跟不得記載事項呢韓港局已經完成草案那些已經呈報交通部審議當中好 預計什麼時候可以出來部裡面有一定的這個法制的審議的程序但是都是在我們部內嘛所以換言之部長這邊我們會盡量改 積極 會盡量改 |
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能不能在 現在是四月能不能至少在旺季之前能夠出來我們希望在旺季之前好 那就七月以前可以出來就是我們暑假之前嘛好 暑假之前感謝部長 我們繼續努力啦還是在交通委員會我想林國城委員站起來但是我必須要說交通委員會過去到現在就我從2020年進來相對來講是比較不講黨派不分朝野大家共同為交通建設 為地方發展為我國的 |
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相關的交通來努力不要分彼此我們一起努力可以嗎這個沒問題啊當然是這個樣子謝謝我們洪孟楷委員接下來我們李昆澤委員執行 |
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謝謝主席 請一下陳士凱部長 吳聖元市長還有陳文樂局長 高鐵鄭光元市長還有陳文樂局長 趙新華局長來陪一下陳部長五年好 |
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部長好在4月14號這個高鐵的204車次經過板橋經過板橋它過站不停這樣的狀況影響了150名左右的乘客乘客很錯愕然後呢社會大眾也很驚訝我先請教一下陳文睿局長陳文睿局長那高鐵都會停板橋嗎 |
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來 說明一下你的認知啦陳文睿局長是公務我當然知道啊 |
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我來五界的交通委員會我怎麼會不知道我問他知不知道高鐵會不會停板橋我的認知應該是都會好謝謝社會上很多人都不清楚其實板橋每天都有高鐵的車次它是不停的每天都有啦這個北上的車次啊 |
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每天都有至少有一班他是不停板橋的南下會有兩班他是不停的但是這個不停跟這個204車子又不一樣204車子他是要停板橋的那我先請教一下鄭光源董事長他也不是不停他有停下來停下來之後旅客大包小包行李準備要下車車子又開走了為什麼呢 |
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他這個他誤以為這個應該是因為前一段時間他這個行動關係跟他講說設定70速限70那這個JAS我們了解最近這一兩個月裡面他前後都是第一班第二班第三班他都是開著第一班跟第三班都是過去都是沒有停的 |
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然後他這一次六班裡面第一次他開的這個是這樣不是很離譜嗎因為我們高鐵的車是有直達車也有站站停也有跳站式的那我們的駕駛訓練成這種樣子他會搞不清楚 |
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因為我到底開的是要站站停的還是直達車或者是板橋都要停的這個車站這個車次跟委員報告他其實他認知在行前的時候他是知道這個要停的這也不是駕駛個人的認知而已啦他有跟行控中心來聯繫嗎他有跟列車長聯繫嗎 |
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這個就是他的疏忽 我們的規定就是說你如果不清楚 馬上請教OCC 警控中心跟他 他就疏忽了這個動作那我請教一下 那社會上有人會說這個 |
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他已經行控了是不是能夠將這個車啊來停住啊或者是說這個車能不能倒退路他其實這個都違反行車的安全啊來那社會上有這種認知高鐵是不是說明一下 |
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其實這是以後我們的一個改善的方向如果說駕駛它發生這個情況了我們的那個列車長也告訴了馬上就告訴我們的OCC我們有兩個方式去告訴OCC把它停下來另外一個呢就是說我們的列車長啊已經告訴他它還是開了我們也可以按我們的PEI馬上把它停下來這個是我們以後要努力的這個改善的一個方向 |
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但是這樣其實都是危害到行車的安全不管是你強行的把它停下來或者是說要倒退路這對行車的安全都是造成衝擊在影響對嗎是的那你們這個要加強教育訓練你們在 |
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車班派遣前的這一些啊確認沒有落實啊而且啊你們駕駛行控跟列車長之間的聯繫也沒有也沒有確認啊我就說你們有直達車有站站停也有跳站式的這樣的一個車次現在有34組的車次啊2027年啊會再增加12組的這種列車啊 |
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那車次越來越多你們這樣目前就已經混亂成這個樣子了這個民眾無法接受喔這個謝謝這個委員指教我們確實要朝剛才委員講的那個方式刑檢的確認還有中間的駕駛員跟這個列車長行動中心的互相的聯繫這個我們要加強不容再發生來那個吳聖元董事長也是次長喔代理董事長 |
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高鐵過站不停台鐵今年已經有六起停車不當的這樣的一個事件有四件是人為的因素有兩件是ATP的因素我們6月23號要漲價我們這樣的安全的掌握跟效率的問題真的是對不起民眾 來說明一下 |
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我想我這個跟委員報告我想這個這次今年已經有六起的停車就是位置停的比較不好那這邊幾個大概剛提到的幾個是人為因素那現在我們大概有做幾個防範的措施我們針對幾個違規行為我們建議這樣一個資料庫從這個違規行為裡面去彙整系統性的這樣一個問題來針對他的問題去好好去做 |
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第二個我們會有所謂的幹部隨程來督導看他做的做法有沒有什麼需要改善的第三個從我們ATP的管理裡面我們去分析哪一些有高風險的我們來做一些防範來部長這個都要加強督促啦是沒有錯把不要說的一片廳作為嚇死人 |
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其實照SOP然後維持駕駛的紀律這個很重要不管是高鐵或是台鐵那台鐵的狀況其實也蠻多的所以這個部分我們會特別關注這要加強督促跟改善好另外部長就任到現在其實有一個政策我應該是給予認同就是有關於國道客運我們在春節期間還有親民的這個連假 |
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有實施這個打折的這樣一個優惠在過去我記得都是大概都是打85折但是部長這一次針對希望民眾更有感受更願意來搭乘大眾運輸系統所以提升到6折那這個6折我看到我們的這個其實 |
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公路客運的載客的總人次跟每日平均的載運人次其實是各個運輸系統裡面最不好的大概只有疫情之前的62%但是春節跟清明年假部長實施這個六者它實質的運量都有提升2025的春節比2024年的春節提升了31%然後清明節的年假 |
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平均的這個平均日的日運量也達到15萬人次比春節他的這個廉價成長了24%所以我認為部長我要提議我們現在 |
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春節跟清明年假都有這樣的一個六折的優惠措施而且搭乘量也明顯的提升那我是認為未來春節清明端午中秋四大節日都應該維持這樣的一個優惠措施就是讓民眾來搭乘大眾運輸搭乘國道客運也使得這種國道的這個乘載量可以比較沒有那麼沉重來部長簡單說明一下 |
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報告委員您的這個建議確實我們之前因為這個國道客運的承載量狀況不是很好所以我們今年特別在春節跟這個清明的時候我們特別提出六折的這個計畫確實成績非常的不錯很多的民眾願意搭國道客運這是個很好的現象那但是我們這個預算的部分 |
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我們再盤點一下不過委員這個建議很好就是說四大節日其實是民眾集中而且是蠻單向性的運輸的習慣我們如果可以的話讓國道客運可以都打六折讓更多的民眾習慣去搭國道客運我覺得這個假日是培養運量最好的時機 |
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好 這個部分我們盡量來配合委員建議我們盡量來配合部長 你在國道客運的這個打折提升它的運量這個是成績是大家可以認同的但是你也有成績做得不夠的就是有關於我們的交通的安全的改善那交通安全的改善雖然略有進步但是還沒有到達下降3%的這樣的一個總目標 |
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這個3%就是我當初跟交通部跟行政院共同討論出來我們必須要有一個明確的目標來告訴社會大眾我們要做到什麼程度那當然啦國家道路交通安全的綱要計畫行政院在2月7號2024年2月7號核定通過也已經一年了我們來看看啦 |
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大安司的交通事故的這個死傷的統計死亡的人數啊有下降了2.4然後事故的件數啊也下降了2.2受傷的人數啊下降了2.7雖然都有 |
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提升進步但是還是未達目標我們社會大眾還是嚴格的認為我們交通安全的改善還是不及格沒有達到目標這個部分我們看到 |
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為打目標之外還有幾個我們特別要去注意就是高齡者青年以及大型車的事故它的件數都有明顯的增加那這個部分部長你能不能簡單說明一下我們針對這樣的一個高齡者青年以及大型車的事故它有明顯的增加交通部有什麼對策我們有什麼針對 |
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尤其是不良駕駛行為這樣的一個 |
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改善有沒有什麼加強訓練或者是相關的這種改善追蹤的一個制度來說明一下是 報告委員比較增加的部分是無照駕駛的部分其實增加了不少那針對無照駕駛的部分當然一方面罰則增加那二方面該有的機車的訓練給青少年的部分這個我們也正在加強當中機車訓練的部分那大型車的部分我們應該公路局也有針對大型車的部分有一些計畫啦就是說針對它的車行或者是公司 |
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我們也有一些祭典的計畫並且要求他們的教育訓練必須要落實高風險的駕駛我們的教育訓練必須要落實這個部分也會加強除了相關的教育訓練還有針對違規之後我們的交通部尤其是公路局相關的我們有一些要求他們改善的一些教育訓練的一些課程 |
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這個必須要更精進然後我們相關的這個改善的追蹤也必須要建立制度這些改善的這樣的一個相關的這一種範本要提供給各縣市能夠去做交流能夠去作為一個改善的範本部長簡單說明一下 |
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報告委員您的這個建議我們會照做這個部分各個縣市其實都要互相交流好的方法大家一起學那這個部分我會拜託公路局落實來做部長我再一次提醒你我們對於交通安全國人都在注意3%已經是一個低標了雖然已經快接近及格的分數但還是不及格我們還是要嚴格的打分數還是不及格我們希望 |
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針對我們交通的相關的道路的國家交通安全這些改善的綱要計畫必須要去落實交通安全基本法相關的號誌、燈號、危險路段等等的這些改善都是你很重要的工作部長要全力以赴好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝李昆哲委員我們特別跟大會報告就是林俊憲委員執行完畢我們休息十分鐘也是林俊憲委員執行完畢休息十分鐘好我們現在請林國成召委發言 |
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好 請主席 請陳部長請陳部長還有財政部我們次長請財政部次長還有我們行政院辦公室的嚴慧欣副代表請嚴副代表長官好 |
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好 部長剛才本席在主持會議的時候當然因為我常主張小問題看出以後就沒有大問題所以我特別稱讚你們這個報告書裡面基本上照抄機率蠻低的所以值得肯定當然我們就希望有關單位 |
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照抄的比例要低一點項目可以但是內容不可以因為每人做的工作完全不一樣所以這點要跟你肯定一下那另外一個啦我們說實在除了我們交通業務因為我們有常有機會在交通委員會我們做充分溝通對於整個業務部分那當然還是要提醒一下該解凍的 |
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盡快趕快送來這是我的呼籲沒有一個召委一直呼籲你趕快來解凍的啦但是你們有什麼難處是另外一回事但是我必須要去強調解凍非常重要因為我們交通委員會在審查預算的時候 |
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基本上對交通部所有的建設包括觀光署包括公路等等這些建設我們很少刪的所以這個部分你不要把它扯到業務會跟特資會的問題扯到這裡來台灣的建設絕對不能分黨派 |
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所以這個我要特別提醒我們這個部長這個部分可能要儘快啦台灣的建設也不要等啦不管國際的情勢如何艱難我想台灣還是要往前走這是我蠻提醒的那現在我就要來談第一個部分這個 |
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高關稅到底我們交通部雖然不是主管機關但是最起碼的話也是會衝擊啊你說我們三大航空公司我們海運啊 海輪啊這等等東西也是有關 |
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我要了解一下剛剛我們這個洪孟愷在問你們都還在規劃我相信包括觀光包括整個我們交通運輸就很簡單啊我們汽車進口等等這些像我們電動搭巴士等等這些一定會去衝擊那我請問部長你們現在在整個 |
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這些損傷的這些評估到底有沒有跟業者了解他們到底現在需求以及未來未以籌謀的等等面對高關稅這個部分部長有沒有召集他們來了解真正的問題有沒有報告委員第一波影響會比較大大概是海空運 |
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那海空運的部分我們隨時跟業者保持密切的聯繫並且針對他們的定位率也好或者是定倉率也好我們隨時都在掌握那另外一方面針對這個業者例如說是工業的業者他們出口或許有需要定倉那有沒有這個急需的這個調查的部分我們也隨時在做所以我們也有這個航港局也有做這個調查表到目前為止我們航港局並沒有收到業者的這個需求 |
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所以這個部分海空運的部分我們密切在觀察也密切在關注如果隨時有變化需要請我們的國籍的航空公司也好或者是船運公司該怎麼配合我們都會來配合好那這個部分我們隨時在掌握好部長我還是要建議啦因為交通運輸業確確實實也在你主管屬下啦所以啊我再認為各行各業一定會有衝擊但是在交通部分你特別還是要去關心一下 |
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包括航空公司包括海運包括等等那另外一個我不曉得因為財政部的次長你們在整個報關業務如何去簡化也就是通關的業務部分我不曉得部長有沒有跟財政部啊這裡做一個辨明的溝通這很重要耶這很重要 |
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目前其實通關狀況是沒有篩報的狀況那其實如果在通關線上有發生篩報的情形比如說轉運貨物或進出口貨物量激增的話其實我們第一線同仁都會激動官務長都會激動調派人員來處理 |
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那這個部分我們跟交通部在通商口岸的部分都會維持密切的合作來保障這個通關的順暢所以我說實在的啦越艱難的時代越要便民所以我問題要問這個議題就很簡單雖然這個我們政府做得到的我們說實在我們就盡量要去方便 |
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最後我也知道那個那個袁輝星袁副代表我要請教你一個問題我們承認 |
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現在的情況來看大國是非常任性的但是小國啊也是任命所以你們現在在對岸的兩個談判的時候說實在的有時候我要建議啊談判當然有機密跟他的手法可是我看到我們現在在整個談判小組金脈談判小組當中欸你們要為以籌謀欸第一個 |
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產生什麼事第二個產生什麼要有ABC的替代方案可是我看我們只有一招欸零關稅談起當然不是說不對啦但是零關稅談起在這裡我們嚴務代表我特別要請教一下 |
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我們的農業我們的漁業我們的農民零關稅會很慘的那這個你們一定知道今天當然不是在跟這個農業有關可是最起碼這也是談判籌碼之一啊不是說一個零關稅有一個議題跟美國來談我告訴你啦美國你是要前進兩步退一步 |
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可是美國是只有前進不會後退但是談判計較的過程當中你們零關稅的情況之下有沒有考慮到農民尤其是稻穀崩盤的這些危機來 言代表 |
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謝謝委員我想委員也非常清楚跟美國談判絕對是一個壓力不小的一個對象所以我講大國是任性嘛那小國是任命嘛 |
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所以這些東西我們也知道你們的難處可是我們該爭取的還是要爭取啊不是嗎當然絕對是我們基本上就像我們剛剛開始就有預先模擬我們會模擬說美國可能會課的關稅是10到20%或者是20到30或30%我們實際上有預估非常多的方案那我想就像我們的準備工作一樣我們談判也是這樣子你對農產品尤其我們台灣的農民 |
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請問一下你們有什麼補救跟因應之道跟有可能花生這些大米一進來 稻米一進來我們的稻米一定崩盤啊我看到我們881的這個情況補助當中在這個部分 農民是很少的 |
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你有沒有考慮到這個應該要如何去爭取到農民最最高的一個最小的損失最高的這個機會好謝謝那個委員我想對我們農民來說我們一定是尊重我們的農業主管機關對於跟我們農產的這相關的評論哎呀農業部沒有用啦 |
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是沒有機會來罵他啦這真的不是站在農民他是在當官嘛農業部本來就是這樣嘛但是你們現在在談判結果會影響他們的執政也是影響他們的決策所以我要聽聽你在這個部分你有什麼看法 |
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我想我們所理解到的如果農產品進一步的開放的話可能會包括或許因為如果柯真對等關稅的話有可能美國對於農產的這個需求或許它整體性的需求會降低因為我們要看現在台灣出口到美國去的可能是像蝴蝶蘭這一類的產品它未必是一個民生必須現在比較嚴重的是稻米的部分是一定崩盤 |
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一定崩盤所以當然啦因為農業是非常管的那我也希望我們原代表這裡把這個意見帶回去不要只有談企業有關這當然很重要但是農民零關稅這是我們台灣立農以來我們非常重要也是非常衝擊的一個部分請 |
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你們在談判小組要納入這些危機的處理跟農民的利益這個要特別去考慮好不好好一定納入這個要拜託好不好那最後我還是要拜託包括財政部包括我們部長這個部分的各方面的交通有關的這些可能要納入這些提供資訊給他們談判小組好不好好謝謝 |
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好那接下來我們民進縣委員執行好 感謝主席本期邀請我們交通部陳部長好 陳部長 |
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委員好部長好部長我們今天在這裡討論美國關稅這次的對台灣的一個影響是其中大家前幾天討論很多的是汽車業但汽車業大家討論的就是台灣的關稅17.5%還有30%的貨物稅是但是我要請教部長美國這一次他針對他的四十幾個主要貿易國家他每一個國家他都寫一份報告 |
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我查了這四十幾個國家他點名汽車就是對美國汽車不公平的主要國家只有台灣其他都是一些奇奇怪怪像非洲一些國家可是美國點名台灣對美國的汽車有貿易障礙他沒有講關稅也沒有講什麼貨物稅 |
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當然關稅我們太高 貨幣稅我們太高 這個我們現在可以跟美國來談那現在看起來大概 主管部會啊 大家也就美國這個部分啊在談但美國對於台灣 美國車子啊 到台灣來 他最大的不滿 |
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它是技術性的障礙不是關稅非關稅貿易障礙對可是我看這幾天在討論汽車業汽車的影響都是講財政部 經濟部我從來沒看交通部交通部都躲起來今天造成汽車業被美國點名最主要的就是交通部政策造成的美方點名的是Technical Barriers to Trade |
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技術性的貿易障礙你知道我們的障礙是什麼嗎報告委員其實汽車的部分有三項一項當然是交通部的一些法規上面是有一些限制沒有錯安全檢驗的部分標準檢驗的部分那第二項其實是跟能源是有相關的也就是我們能源署對於汽車油耗也是有限制我講的是美國點名我們的障礙是什麼東西 |
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我看起來你好像不懂這個部分耶你說的技術障礙我再跟你講技術障礙沒有說完不是不是說美國這次點名技術障礙可能很多種也不止三種對啊那美國點名我們是什麼地方安全法規標準安全法規標準的部分不是美國點名的是說我們對美國車子啊到台灣來我們一個車型啊一年配額限制75輛是 |
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那你知不知道 之前我們對美國車子到台灣來我們一個車型 原本一年限制多少輛很像最早期是從兩千輛到七十五輛兩千慢慢慢慢降 降到現在七十五一種車型所以你要針對美國不滿的地方來 你今天報告裡面寫的 你不寫也不寫這裡面寫的 航運貨運觀光 |
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你針對這幾天討論最多的就是汽車包委員這個部分我們其實跟那你的報告應該告訴我們 |
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那針對這個部分你要怎麼處理因為這個確實有一點不公平啦那美國進口的二手車有沒有配合沒有配合沒有配合喔這變得很奇怪的喔所以美國的二手車到台灣來啊就所謂的掛過 在美國掛過牌的啦就是我們台灣你說的外匯車啦李秋車啦一年哇 這個好幾萬台啊這個蠻多的很多台喔對 |
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所以台灣上路的美規中古車啊各位看啦 這個其實看得出來啦我們外行 我為了這個才去研究因為世界上有兩大系統一個是歐盟的規則一個是美國聯邦經濟安全標準那台灣加入WTO的時候我們採用的是歐盟標準 |
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因為世界主要汽車大國都在歐洲所以如果從歐洲進口車沒有這個問題沒有配合而且就是只要歐盟審核通過的車子就可以到台灣來但美國車子我們就特別定下一個障礙一個車型一年只能75台原本是一年2000台那現在變成到75台我不知道車安中心為什麼這麼定這誰定的 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下剛剛委員所提到確實就是說這個現行這個車輛安全法規的部分的話大家都是調和聯合國因為EC法規進來那原則上就是說國際上各個車廠要銷售到各地的這個車輛的話基本上就是要符合當地國的這個法規那當時這個純美規車輛的部分基本上就是說純美規你為什麼先回答我的問題 |
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從2000台到75台那為什麼美國二手車你就沒有限配各位我們報告一下當時對於純美規的這個車輛基本上其實我們是相較於日本或是韓國是特別開了一條路就是說純美規的車輛還可以到這個國內來那剛剛委員所提到那個外匯車中古車的部分的話因為他是屬於這個使用過的車輛他的法規檢測項目比較少所以 |
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如果玫瑰車你講的是我們特別開個phone那為什麼二手車都可以就沒有限制然後你新車就給他限制我現在不是你在這邊跟我講現在是美方把這樣子認為是一個貿易障礙 |
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他他特別點名台灣你你為什麼給我做這樣的限制報告委員這個部分我們已經跟行政院那邊也都有做溝通那未來該怎麼樣去跟美國談判其實我們也都已經有版本這個都沒問題 我跟你說啦部長我跟你講他們這個一個你們車安中心還有陸中獅這邊喔這個這個你們這個非常衙門化你這官僚喔你你也回答不出來啊你兩兄弟現在槓七十五台所以各位有沒有注意到啊其實啊 |
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很多台灣到台灣的一些那個什麼台灣現在看不到純美美國車的車子啦像卡迪拉克啦雪佛朗這些你大概看不到啦那福特為什麼看得到那福特車子為什麼看不到福特車子都是歐規的啦他們是做歐規的沒錯他們都用歐規的車包含特斯拉雖然在美國製造但是他是用歐規的車他們都用歐規的車因為我們台灣人很多只用車營七十幾台嘛 |
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8086.055 |
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8098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
現在造成我記得好像投靠達有一個車型有一個車啦他就用一個車型他其實同一台車啦他用不同的規格車子就申請為四五種車型用這樣來鑽漏洞那你也是準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8103.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8130.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你賣準跟委員報告他那個沒有賺那麼多因為我們是同意車同意這個規格車輛形式那因為他們的我跟你講這個如果不是美國把他點出來說你台灣設一個貿易障礙我也不知道我也不知道我們有這麼多人我現在發現啦美方指責我們這個貿易障礙這有得力啊你憑什麼人就市長來決定啦對不對但其實日韓各國也都是那我跟你講喔你這樣的話對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8133.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8149.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
你不要被旁邊的影響美國沒有跟日本車 韓國車美國車子銷到日本 韓國 美國沒有點出貿易障礙他只有特別點台灣你不要被旁邊的幕僚給你唬爛去還有 你要給我們寫關稅對台灣的交通部對關稅的因應還有影響台灣有個產業會影響很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8177.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
台灣沒有車子銷美國啦 幾乎沒有但台灣的汽車零組件 銷美國量很大啦台灣一年有1000多億的汽車零組件這是台灣非常重要的衛銷產業啦台灣非常強啦包括燈啦 輪框啦 輪壺 一大堆啦你現在如果美國用這樣的關稅齁那這個汽車零組件溫暢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8179.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8202.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
你裡面連寫也沒寫到報告委員這是在經濟部的報告裡面那跟你交通部沒關係嗎對不對零組件的產業不是我的產業這些也是你們交通部車輛的零組件嘛照你寫各位可以看一下交通部寫的這個報告跟美國關稅跟交通部一樣應用也沒有你寫起來是毫無影響啊那我再告訴你你躲了好幾天啊 |
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8234.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
去美方點名我們的汽車貿易障礙要出來回答這個問題的是交通部啦財政部講的是關稅 那沒有錯我去談經濟部有去談你的關稅或污稅那你交通部要出來回答這個問題嘛你告訴我台灣是很少見的來 你去查一下美國對這幾十個主要貿易國家有提到汽車台灣大概是唯一啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8260.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
其他國家我們沒有看到你說日本 韓國 沒有啦美方沒有認為他美國撐制到日本 韓國有什麼障礙只有點名我們台灣那點名就是這個問題這個其實不合理啦那如果沒有美國來點名的話其實沒有人知道他們也是照幹啦你旁邊那些他們什麼相關單位報告委員第一時間我們已經跟行政院那邊都有溝通我知道 因為美國都跟你講而已他還沒講我們就再處理了好 謝謝主席啦 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8265.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8269.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
好 謝謝我們林靜憲委員現在休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8286.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8286.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
嗯。 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8310.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
現在交通部就加交通部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8327.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8328.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8352.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8353.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
這裏是一間酒店 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8371.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8374.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8391.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8393.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8409.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8410.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
我們覺得美白很強 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8439.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8442.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
他現在已經改了,不是他們改的,他只是衝刮,不玩了 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8455.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
每次 每次 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8482.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
這裏有個大廈。這裏有個大廈。 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8497.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳的名稱是大廈餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8518.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8520.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
中文字幕志愿者 杨栋梁 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8545.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8550.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
一開始我就覺得它們都是等待人家站在旁邊,然後把人家帶走。 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8572.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8572.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
這裏是一間餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8590.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這裏有個大廈。這裏有個大廈。 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8607.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8607.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這裏是一間餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8622.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8625.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8639.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8640.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
這裏是那裏 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8664.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8665.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
這裏是一間餐廳。這裏是一間餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8688.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8689.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這裏有個大廈,有個大廈,有個大廈,有個大廈, |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8716.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8717.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8742.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8771.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8774.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8792.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8792.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
這裏是一座大廈。這裏是大廈。 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8805.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8807.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
這裏有個大廈,有個大廈,有個大廈 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8832.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8834.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
谢谢观看,下次见! |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8838.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8843.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8874.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8879.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
好 各位請就座接下來我們魯明哲委員執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8892.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8909.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
好 謝謝主席何俊我們交通部陳部長好 陳部長還有我們經濟部何次長何次長來財政部謝次長好還有我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總代表委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
8918.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8941.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
好 謝謝四位 謝謝主席排今天的一個比較複合性的一個題目有這麼多的部會到達交通委員會首先是不是要請我們這個嚴副總代表因為要貿易談判我相信這個準備應該是長年在準備非常積極就請問一下我先問一下就是你覺得這一次就是川普 |
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8943.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8961.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
總統他的對等關稅的一個政策或者世界貿易的這樣的所謂的大戰有可能要引發你覺得對台灣來講這是台美單一的爭議還是會是變成世界貿易的一個多方向的大戰你們現在的判斷是怎麼樣 |
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8963.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8989.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
因為我想川普政府現在所科徵的對等關稅是他的起手式我說就貿易的層面是起手式之一那這個起手式是針對超過180個國家來科徵的所以我想他應該不是他不是純粹一個台灣面對的問題而是全世界都正在處理那只是說每一個國家因為他面對的情況這個關稅的高低不同所以大家各自處理的方式就不同好 |
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8991.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9004.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
這個我覺得業界包括很多學者的看法大概跟你這樣滿一致的因為這會觸發一個全世界的一個很多的一個變化因為現在不可預期90天之後會是發生什麼樣一個情況 |
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9005.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9021.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
整個世界貿易是如何的組合是產生了多邊還是大國效應還是區塊的能夠緊密聯合我覺得因為時代有很多種變化但是大家應該可以確定這絕對不是單一台美的一些問題也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9023.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9038.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
你在談這件事的時候你要看一下看一下我在談好了譬如說剛剛講的這個非關稅貿易障礙美國現在只能進一年75輛的一個汽車那可是你說我們要改 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9039.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9058.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
沒有那麼簡單啊這是我們2002年參加WTO裡面選擇的我們聯合國歐洲的經濟委員會跟他們1958年的一個一個用他那邊的一個數字算出來的嘛那當然你也可以啊我跟你談然後我不理歐盟所以我覺得很多的關稅是一個問題和貿易障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9060.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9085.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
非關稅貿易戰其實交通部還真的蠻多的真的蠻多的你們要好好去研究一下那請教一下我們財政部好不好財政部請問一下我們台灣前五大貿易順差國前五大貿易順差國這些貿易夥伴貿易夥伴大概有哪些不一定要排順序美國 日本歐盟 中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9087.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9107.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
歐盟沒有來這個部分因為這是你們的關務署的一個訊息那現在就是去年去年剛結帳去年現在看起來貿易順差排序的話第一名中國大陸跟香港第二名美國第三名新加坡第四名越南第五名馬來西亞 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9109.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9121.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那這個部分我們是純粹用它的貿易順差的一個順序來排的那我們也看了一下光這前五名前五名的一個貿易順差 |
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9127.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9154.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
他的比重到底多少也出口啦大家都知道我們出口多嘛人家進口少就感覺我們台灣的貿易順差感覺我們生意做得比較好那我們在出口排名前五名前五名就是順差前五名來看他的總金額這還沒有把日本加進來大概就已經將近七成到八成所以他比重是很強的也許我們後面還有五十個貿易夥伴五十個貿易夥伴但是金額是相對比較少的那我這樣講這個意思是什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9155.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9183.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我一看起來就知道這一次談判要非常重非常謹慎所以我看到行政院長也提出很多這些想法我希望談得很順利啦因為這東西知識體大對台灣的一個產業科技的產業甚至未來會不會經濟蕭條都非常有關聯但是我們希望剛剛我們副總代表談的是我相信很多的專家學員在想你們在談的時候要特別注意一件事情也就是說 |
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9184.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9211.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
美國這個非常重要它的一個出口額佔我們行政院公布的我們去年度總出口金額4750億美元的一個出口的總額大概佔23%當然重要四分之一但是你們要回頭去想七成五還有七成五我任何一個貿易一個措施一個互惠關係可能會什麼樣的影響我真的是建議你們要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9212.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9213.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
那我想問一下次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9215.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9235.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
右邊川普經濟學首先我們要談判有一個基礎我們經常在地方做一些民間的處理那個基礎是很重要的譬如說車禍球場一個人開500萬然後你一上去是要從500萬開始談嗎但一般都會說抱歉100萬所以我們覺得現在給的基礎你認不認同美國32%第二個美國32%他簡單的算法就是就 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9244.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9260.08 |
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美國來說他是逆差他就會吃虧了我貿易逆差基本上就是除以我的進口從台灣進口的總額然後再除以2大概是32%比例那你認不認同那如果你認同的話會有破窗效應 |
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世界貿易會有擴張效應喔就哇台灣真的很棒是一個非常好的貿易夥伴我只要加加減減除除貿易順差國每一個都照這樣的去加減除除的話我只列前五大順差國這個部分來現在換你說第一個你認不認同這樣的一個算法這個數字 |
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是跟委員報告這是川普政府他們計算對等關稅的這個方式其實我們在第一時間據我了解我們的外交單位跟我們的經貿談判辦公室已經跟美方傳達了一個不合理的方式是你覺得這個算數學啦不合理就是你們覺得OK啦 |
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我想跟委員報告我想這個公式合不合理很多國家都有提出我們的不同質疑特別是它的公式的計算上就如同您剛才提到的它只有用逆差的數額跟出口到這個美國去的總金額來作為這個加減乘除的一個公式但是實際上它有加上一些變數包括譬如說台灣跟美國之間我們有一些進口價格的替代性或者是說它對於台灣的產品是不是一個剛性需求 |
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這些每一個國家的係數就美國現在這個公式來說都是一樣的係數所以確實來說看起來有一些不合理的這是根本一個不合理的一個算法而且他算出來那個貿易順差逆差跟個別的關稅有些是根本沒有直接關聯的所以每個國家大部分都覺得一頭霧水那我覺得這個的部分絕對不是一個我們談判的極點 |
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起點我們自己要算出來好吧就算我們大概預估是什麼樣一個方向我真的要建議這個是非常非常重要像我們剛剛講說汽車的非關稅的貿易的這個障礙那這種真的還是蠻多的我要請部長回去尤其市長也在這裡你們真的要去盤點一下不是只有那個數字的問題 |
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你們中間有太多了如果無限上綱的話就是我們幾年前抗爭的歐盟義大利的EVICO這個貨車你們規定5公噸以下只要一般的駕照就可以了但是加上這個車6公尺6公尺就不行你要去考貨車大貨車的一個駕照人家已經抗議了非常多次這是標準的如果就外國來講 |
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是標準的非關稅的貿易障礙為什麼因為設計這個障礙我車就不用進口了所以我是覺得這個部分包括監理業務你車安的業務有很多的問題是需要去處理的最後經濟部長我最後 |
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我覺得因為你們幾位最主要是談判的主力那當然國家的一個產業經濟在經濟部一個重責大任對於產業的訊息我看到你們也下槍去講那我想最後我做個結論現在我們真的是希望在談判的時候 |
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不要產生那種破窗效應就說原來這樣的對台灣就可以原來我這樣的台灣就會來我這邊投資我覺得你們要特別注意這件事情但是我是真的建議啦建議給你們現在尤其談判代表現在看起來有四個籌碼第一個公司部門對美國加大採購跟投資但是我要拜託一下吧所有談判的人都知道我跟我老婆做談判的時候也一定要 |
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談好了才付錢你知道嗎你現在第一個談判頭碼你還沒談台積電一千萬他已經開了這叫先跑先跑通不算喔我們在談判的過程大通也簽約了連電也都談好了我告訴你你政府如果出發到那裡的時候已經裝到別人口袋的時候不要作為談判頭碼我覺得你們要稍微控制一下 |
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那至於說關稅要降低這看起來是第二個方向但如果是覺得你們到底是只對這個台美的關稅這樣那BNW會不會打電話來罵人換歐盟來抗議我們這要講一下 |
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第三個外匯存體的投放運用那外界有很多的猜測請你們也要注意第四個我覺得跟交通部也非常有關係甚至農委會啊他現在非關稅的貿易障礙哪一些可以去調整哪一些是人家會問的我也希望你們事先去盤整希望台灣我們能夠在很安穩相對 |
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相對好的情況來挺過這一次的那個川普經濟學謝謝大家 |
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9546.786 |
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好 謝謝我們魯明哲委員特別跟大家報告陳樹業委員執行完畢我們就處理我們的臨時提案陳樹業委員執行完畢我們就進行處理臨時提案那現在接下來我們何新淳委員執行 |
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9577.042 |
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9577.944 |
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好謝謝趙偉我們是不是先請陳部長陳部長 |
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9589.342 |
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9612.95 |
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我想剛剛盧偉宇在講川普經濟學宣布美國高關稅世界大地震台灣當然也是震得不小但是我們對行政院非常有信心因為各界對談判我想行政院在最快的速度由副院長鄭麗君來領軍 |
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9635.661 |
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一直在盤點我相信部長也有被盤點到吧你要不要說一下在你交通部的部分剛剛其實有好多位委員在提到不管是有關車的問題還有非關稅貿易障礙的問題在你交通部的部分行政院請你盤點的有哪些 |
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報告委員其實細節當然不能講啦有談判的代表他們去原則上是針對這個汽車的這個非關稅的貿易障礙的部分我們其實部內也有盤點過那跟行政院那邊也有盤點過那大家已經有對好了對美談判的大概會怎麼說會有幾套劇本對幾套劇本其實也都有啦所以所有的非關稅貿易障礙只要跟交通部相關的我們其實都有盤點過都已經盤點過對都有盤點過那一項一項的都有去評估了 |
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就是所謂的未來談判的過程或是談判後不管是對這個國內的影響或者是對於在這個談判過程裡面我們如何能夠獲得台灣人民整體最大的利益為原則 |
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是沒有錯而且還能夠安然的度過這個難關其實這件事從川普的這個他的關稅的政策出來之後我們就開始在盤點那也開始跟這個行政院那邊大家都有一個默契那也有開過會那所有的細節也都對過了所以這個部分跟委員報告請大家放心 |
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請大家放心那我們對你有信心我們對行政院有信心我們的執政團隊有信心但是接下來我要請你再盤點一件事情這個禮拜呢經濟委員會有去台中考察那考察當然是關心這個美國高關稅政策裡面對台中的產業的影響 |
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那台中的產業是重中之重你也知道因為你來自台中嘛那很多都是以外銷出口為導向的一個傳統基礎工業那當然就有工協會的理事長在提出提醒 |
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我們現在這個從宣布32%到降為10%但是有90天的一個關鍵的一個觀察期那這90天裡面現在從川普一宣布之後我們產業界的 |
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非常擔心頭痛到暫緩90天現在的反而是雖然鬆了一口氣但是擔心的是90天以後怎麼辦那90天的這個關鍵期裡面現在又發生一件事情 |
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出貨趕快要出我如果不敢在這90天出我未來不知道面對什麼狀況可能會好或是可能會更不好所以呢這90天現在我們的台中的產業界代表告訴我我們交通部可不可以幫幫忙幫什麼忙船 |
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倉位還有呢這個港口的相關的可以協助產業的部分那部長你說你開過會了那這個部分有沒有盤點報告委員這個部分我們也都有盤點那我上個禮拜我就說這個變化很快但幅度不大 |
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上個禮拜我來這邊備詢的時候那個時候我是說當時是還32%的時候我說大概降了5%我們整個倉位的數量有人退運了嘛所以降了差不多5%那到了這個禮拜回復到原本水準以外再增加了5%也就是說現在倉位大概是90%到95%左右啦那目前都還有空位這個部分我們隨時都在盤點隨時掌握情況對沒有錯數字都在掌握那另外其實委員你也跟我提醒過好幾次 |
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所以我們這個呃 航港局這邊其實禮拜18號我們18號禮拜五就會開一個平穩小組的會議隨時盤點除了數量之外那傳奇餐位之外還有就是它的價格我們也希望能夠平穩重點是價格對 所以這個部分我們18號就會開這個平穩的這個小組來討論這件事所以你現在航港局在官網設置一個急用需求的調查表是那目前有出口業者填報嗎 |
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報告委員目前沒有目前沒有我們每天都會關注有在關注那你認為沒有的原因是在剛剛部長所講的盤點出來我們現在還有餘裕所以目前還有餘裕還有餘裕所以我希望啦在你4月18號的這個小組會議就是下面下一頁 |
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我們要先做好準備因為剛剛部長講的現在看起來好像我們可以安然度過但是呢90天之後不知道那再扣除可能在海上或在海上要30天所以90天扣掉30天可能是60天我們現在中部的產業界不斷地在 |
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趕貨 趕出貨 那業者說能不能上船 對不起能不能上得了這個貨船 是一個非常大的一個挑戰所以最重要是價格 |
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最重要是價格那所以這個國際海運的運輸的平穩的工作小組這個會議4月18號要開那有召集哪些人來開經出口的商業同業公會還有各類別的這個同業公會產業公會那另外就是我們三大國籍的行商還有我們經濟部農業部相關的部會都有參與 |
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業者 業者代表產業界呢產業界就是剛剛報告的包括工具機的這個同業工會 機械同業工會還有進出口的三個同業工會所以產業界代表都有邀請 更大面向的有代表來參加啦工協會的代表那再來還有就是這個航運啊 出口業者啦 進出口工會等等啦這個一定都要在裡面好不好那4月18號結果如何也讓我們交通委員會委員知道一下那接下來 |
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台中除了產業再來就是交通跟觀光那上次我們去豐原考察部長也到現場所以我們去考察的時候是說豐原是北台中的一個最重要的一個交通樞紐也是一個轉成的一個中心那每年大概有600萬的人次上下車那我們現在只有兩個班 |
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應該是說往返四個班次去兩班回來兩班直達車現場考察的時候部長有承諾說願意來調整希望能夠增加增加不僅僅是增加直達的包括半直達的那部長你打算怎麼調整 |
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這個部分應該台鐵公司已經有做調整我們現在目前剛提到他平常日大概有兩個列次那現在我們要增加再增加一倍變成這個六個列次再增加兩個列次啦所以變成會變成六個列次那五六日尖峰會從六列變成八列 |
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所以這樣我們這樣算下啦每一週我們大概從本來的32列次改點以後大概6月26會改點大概會變成48個列次那請問一下什麼時候開始 |
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6月26號會整個班表改點那6月26號就開始6月26號就開始那我們可以試狀況未來如果可以增加也可以再增加嗎我們再觀察譬如說半年或者是明年再來看看如果真的需求量大的話是不是可以再增加可以再滾動試檢討好不好以上謝謝 |
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10098.384 |
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謝謝我們何欣淳委員接下來我們陳樹業委員執行謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長好 陳部長 |
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今天委員會主題是關心美國客徵對等關稅對我們國內交通公司部門的衝擊剛剛很多委員都關心了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10142.916 |
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這個川普總統美國總統川普的這個關稅風暴確實造成全球震盪那對我們台灣的這個整個很多的面向產業啦交通運輸也有很大的一個衝擊那我想就是交通運輸在我們交通部應該就是運輸的方面那應該就是海運空運的衝擊比較大 |
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10169.33 |
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海運的部分剛才我們何委員也詢問很多那我想在這個部分大家比較關心的可能就是這個海運就是貨櫃的一個問題那這部分大家也擔心說是不是會重演這個COVID-19時期的這個塞港的這樣子或者是搶不到櫃的狀況那這部分交通部應該都沒問題 |
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報告委員目前櫃位的部分艙位的部分都還有餘裕另外其實更關鍵的剛剛委員有提到塞港的問題我們也會擔心說台灣會不會發生這樣的狀況港澳公司我所知道他們已經都盤點一些空地如果到時候貨櫃有大量需要囤的話我們也會挪出地方第二個就是說針對因為現在很多的廠商希望快速能夠出口 |
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所以整個效率上面可能港公司這邊也應該都有做準備讓效率提高讓他貨一進來馬上可以上得了船趕快出去那這個部分是不是有請林董事長我想就不用說明了因為很多委員都詢問過了我想大家很關心那相信就是我們也是希望就是說交通部這邊對於一些過去的一些經驗然後我們可以預先做一些規劃跟就是做一些事先的一個預防這樣子 |
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我們盡量把我們那個行政程序縮短好 謝謝那本席接下來要關心的就是這個交通安全的問題還是回歸到這個交通安全的一個議題就是因為交通安全真的很重要那我們看到就是有關這個數字的統計有關就是到案數字的統計 |
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當然就是說以113年我們事故的總件數還有事故死傷的人數都有下降了那當然就是說這個下降就是也要感謝我們不管是中央或地方或者是各種手段的一個努力那所以我們知道就是說交通安全我們要就是提高這個交通安全最主要就是四大面向嘛這個部長你知道啦工程監理教育跟執法 |
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那我請教一下部長這四大面向你覺得哪一項比較重要報告委員其實都很重要都很重要四個面向都很重要所以四個面向應該要均衡要平均不能特別偏重哪一個面向那其實在基層民眾的感受是覺得這個執法 |
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好像是比較重就是比較偏重這個執法的面向因為我們現在廣設這個科技執法所以造成很多民眾他們現在就是抱怨年年然後他們就是一直在抱怨說這個好像把民眾當提款機當然我們的目的是希望降低交通事故提高這個這個道安的一個安全可是在這個執法就是事故有減的時候 |
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民怨也上升了那要如何讓事故減民怨又不上升那個部長報告委員這個像您所列出來這個科技執法這個是警政署他們去設置的啦那警政署其實他們確實是有這個預算在設置這個那他們給我們的數據其實我們看得出來針對這個執法面去加強確實會讓事故率有下降目前看起來的數據是這個樣子 |
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但是執法的面向其實大部分是不在交通部但我們也會跟執行的比如說地方政府比如說警政單位我們會跟他們溝通一個平衡性這個部分平衡性我們再來跟他們溝通 |
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是好我想就是說當然有一些我們交通安全就是涉及到很多的單位所以也希望你們就是要橫向的一個聯繫當然就是說執法部分是警政署那我們希望交通部這邊應該也要跟他們一起配合 |
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那另外就是說因為四個面向都是一樣的重要那所以在工程設計的部分也非常的一個重要還有監理等等那就就這個交通這個工程的部分就是道路的交通的標線標誌的設置這個是非常的一個重要的 |
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所以我們對這個交通的標線標誌的一個劃設或者是改善都是希望能夠提高這個交通安全可是目前就是說我們在地方很多民眾在陳情反應就是說目前像我的選區內田尾永進這邊的台一線一直在進行這個就是標線的一個 |
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變動我不曉得是改善改善是要更好可是我們發現不曉得有沒有更好因為也是民怨就是說以目前看到這個入口啊你看到這個左邊這個邊線跟安全島是不是有個比較寬的一個距離是 |
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然後右邊的話右邊這是由北往南的一個車道就沒有就是那個黃色的邊線是很緊接著緊鄰著那個安全島的那以左邊這一個車道的話是田尾往元寧的方向是來往北那他們這邊現在是在等這個紅綠燈那如果說像這一部第一部車子那個如果說他往 |
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中間偏一點他的車子的輪子如果壓到黃線的話這樣有沒有違規會不會被開罰這個部分委員您剛剛說如果是壓到邊線的話對就是說現在已第一部車子他現在是停這樣子是在線內那他如果是往這個安全島的方向靠的話他的車輪一定是壓到那個黃線這樣有沒有違規有沒有會不會被罰款 |
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這個應該沒有違規吧這個應該沒有違規吧那個誰要回答跟我們報告一下因為這個標籤的部分有分為禁制跟這個指示的部分這個標籤看起來應該是屬於這個指示的標誌 |
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那這個原則上就是說處罰條例單條並沒有這樣子的規定那大概通用的部分大概只有一條這個位移標誌標線這等的部分但是看起來這個應該沒有相關這個有這個滑緩的一個問題 |
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可是目前我們就看到有民眾在地方的這個社群反映說他在這個這樣子的一個路口因為他的車子的輪子有去就是越過線結果他收到罰單了那這個是一個問題那主席不好意思因為我讓我把這個議題講完 |
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這邊就是說目前這個入口還有一個問題就是說在我們公路總局做這樣子的變動之後本來這一個入口目前左邊這個車道是南往北的方向本來它左轉是有左轉燈的號誌的可是目前被你們改成剩下三個號誌所以它要左轉的時候 |
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左轉的時候就非常的危險因為沒有左轉的耗制他有的車輛不熟悉他可能就是在綠燈的時候他就是要趁沒有車的時候左轉就是讓你看一個影片大概是這種狀況放一下 |
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這個是南往北那這一部車它現在要左轉可是它的這個方向是沒有左轉號誌的所以它是必須趁著就是南下的車到沒有車的時候它才左轉 |
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可是這樣子的話他的視線如果被對向車道阻擋的話這樣子真的是非常的危險我們一直在反映報告委員這個路口我們特別再去看一下我請公路局再去看一下看了好幾次了看要怎麼改善市長你再幫我特別去關注一下 |
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現在看到這個號誌燈四個號誌燈是北往南的一個方向還是維持四個燈還是一樣有左轉燈可是南往北就被取消掉了剩下三個燈那目前就是 |
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經過我們反應之後公務局的做法是說在紅燈之後紅燈之後的綠燈的話對向車子他會在晚15秒讓這個南往北的車子可以有15秒可以左轉可是很多外地車或者是過路車他根本不知道有這個這樣子的一個就是 |
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晚開這樣子的一個設計所以就會造成像剛剛那部車這樣他就是趁著綠燈的時候對象沒有車他趕快搶快可是這樣子是非常危險的所以我是覺得說我不曉得你們台一線這樣子的一個變動到底是依據什麼 |
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規定或者以什麼基準來做這樣子的一個變動啦只是我覺得說這樣子的一個改變讓我們在地人在這邊出入的民眾都覺得顯像還生所以我是覺得說這個部分就是屬於工程面所以包括剛剛的那個寬度的問題如果說他壓線了越線了就是會被開單這個就是我們 |
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我們的問題嘛引誘民眾違規了然後另外這個部分的改善是不是有更安全我覺得這個你們都要再去做進一步的一個了解啦那因為當初我們去反映的時候公務局給我們的回覆是說因為會再做一個什麼偏心式的一個左轉的一個改善可是我看出也沒有看到有這樣子的一個改善那我們趕快來改善好謝謝請局長追蹤謝謝 |
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謝謝陳樹業委員來現在我們處理臨時提案請議事人員一併先讀第一案 |
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臨時提案一 由於美國政府於日前10日時宣布對等關稅政策暫緩實施90日 原影響企業紛紛搶出貨以減少該關稅衝擊 建請交通部及航港局籌組國際海運運輸平穩小組會議瞭解進出口商需求協調 航商穩定進出順暢 提案人委員蔡啟昌等 |
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臨時提案二鑒於長榮海運毒品走私案經查核有港務公司通行證管自鬆散與港港局資訊不對稱原請海巡署警政署各港港警總隊一個月內提出比照民航局安檢規格之有效安全檢查 |
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措施SOP港務公司者提出改善通行證申請計管理辦法維護我國對外貿易窗口維持社會秩序有效防止毒品走失提案人 委員魯明哲 廖先祥等 |
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民事提案三 因應美國於4月10日宣布暫緩課徵全球對等關稅為維持國際海運運輸平穩有序進行特請交通部航港局比照疫情特殊時期計數召開國際海運運輸平穩工作小組會議掌握出口需求及艙位供給情形並協調國際航商市需要增加航班艙位提案人委員何新泉等 |
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臨時提案四台鐵豐原站為中部地區鐵道運輸重要據點建請台鐵公司調整並增加往返豐原台北至直達半次並優化豐原站及周昭後里麗林及潭子等車站之交通銜接以提供旅客多元便利之交通選擇提案人委員何新泉等 |
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臨時提案五有建立台中舊山線為我國重要鐵道文化及觀光資產原請台鐵公司加速推動相關作業亦請交通部觀光署台鐵公司與地方政府通力合作串聯周遭景點整合三線觀光廊道提升整體觀光發展及品質提案人委員何新泉等宣布完畢 |
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好 那因為時間的關係 提案啊 顏值都已經在書面所以就不以再提案說明那我請問第一案行政單位有無意見報告周圍 行政單位遵照辦理好遵照辦理 那我們就照案通過來 第二案 |
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立案行政單位是 報告召委那這個部分有跟黃委員辦公室有報告說明溝通這個文字著作修正那是不是允許我宣讀一下跟委員報告著作修正的文字好 文字修正一點是 謝謝召委那麻煩各位看到這個倒數第五行開始 |
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那原請海巡署這邊的文字呢著作修正為原請交通部會同海巡署移民署財政部關稅署關務署 |
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2個月內提出比照民航局安檢規格之有效安全檢查措施SOP港務公司航港局則提出改善通行證申請及使用須知警政署及港警總隊提出相關強化指引 |
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維護我國對外貿易窗口維持社會秩序有效防治毒品走私是否有當進行公決這個文字是有跟黃委員辦公室有協調有獲得共識好那個盧委員盧秉哲委員同意嗎好那同意的話我們就修正後照案通過好不好來接下來第三案 |
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行政機關有沒有意見報告召委行政機關遵照辦理好那我們就通過那第第四案行政機關有沒有有沒有意見報告召委行政機關沒有意見遵照辦理好遵照辦理那我們就召案通過來第五案 |
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報告抓委一樣行政機關遵照辦理好遵照辦理那我們就照案通過好跟各位報告以上對於臨時提案5案就依照行政機關跟我們提案委員之意見各方的意見我們就有些是修正通過那我們臨時提案5案處理完畢謝謝大家來接下來我們就請 |
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臨時提案處理完畢如有委員對上述的提名要補提名列入記錄並刊登公報那現在繼續請黃建豪委員執行 |
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好 謝謝主席 主席我們先請那個經濟部的政事何進昌次長跟經貿談判辦公室的副談判代表嚴副代表好來嚴副代表他們也知道我們在幹什麼 |
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市長好市長我想現在進入這個談判階段很多數據當然我們希望說能夠一致那我想這樣子對於產業來講也好還是對於我國對外談判的這個數字來講會比較明確啦我今天在這個報告裡面想要跟你們就交一個事情就是說在經濟部提供的報告裡面 |
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在第二頁的提到說我國的車輛產業就業人數約有8.3萬人但是我們如果參照媒體報導4月9號的時候車輛工會也提到說其實整個這個車輛影響的上下游產業有30萬人就業人口2500家廠商那在同份的報告裡面的第二頁的同份報告裡面也提到說 |
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車輛工會也呼籲政府要正式汽車產業列上下減30萬就業人口我想要先就這個數字來跟次長討論一下到底我國這個車輛產業到底有多少人會受到產業上會受到影響到底是8.3萬人還是30萬人我想這落差也蠻大的可不可以說明一下 |
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跟委員報告這個如果單就車輛產業的話是8.3萬那因為整個車輛產業的那個產業的很長非常長所以公衛才會有統計30萬的這個就業人口的這樣的一個數據出現那所以就這一方面的這些統計數據我想我們這個主計總署那邊基本上我們會就他的行業的內容我們會有一個官方的一個數字出來 |
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我想問一下談判辦公室如果在這種情況下面到底你們在計算評估對國內產業或對國內就業人口衝擊的時候你們是用所謂8.3萬來算還是用30萬來算 |
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我們的影響評估基本上都是由我們的產業主管機關來負責盤點那我們只是希望把它轉換成對美說明的一個相關的論述好 謝謝因為我想這個事情其實因為大家民眾的期待跟廠商的這個說法是不太一樣因為民眾當然期待說會因為這一次的事件可能關稅能夠降低降低之後可能車價可以下降但是同時產業也擔心說如果因為整車的這個關稅降低之後 |
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對於國內這些製造業國內車輛製造業的這個相關人口不管是你們今天提到的8.3萬還是車輛工會的30萬大家都覺得會受到衝擊所以今天要問的說政府到底去認定這件事情假設假設因為今天 |
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談判結果還沒出來嘛可是我們到底在談車輛談這個整車進口也好還是談我們車輛製造業也好這個事情去談判的時候政府要不管你後續假設真的有時候要衝擊因為你看到這個人口8.3後30萬人那我們出口美國的這個產值是35.58億美元這是你們的數據那整個產業鏈有5000多億的這個金額那這個產業鏈到底有多少人受到衝擊如果政府這邊的數字是不一致的那我不知道 |
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對於民心大家會覺得很不安心我想確定到底你們在計算的時候是用多少人來算如果談到是用主管機關單位的算法那我想問經濟部到底是多少人你們會有多少人遭衝擊 |
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跟委員報告就是我們這個報告裡面也講得很清楚我們是按照行政院主計總出113年的統計所以我們引用的數據8.3萬人他是從政府的官方的數據來這個出現這樣的一個數據 |
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好那我知道了這樣我想這後續的車輛公會趕快再找你們了好那回到這個一樣回到關稅的問題啊那這個部分因為我想車輛他是排除在這個對等的32%裡面嗎包含說現在不管是暫緩90天的部分他是本來就是適用所謂的這個25%的部分嗎那我想問一下經濟部也好或是OTM也好你們有評估過說這個 |
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目前是因為台灣的這個稅率是17.5的部分那如果按照談判的過程裡面因為總統說要從這個比照美加盟協定來談美加盟協定當然在美國或在加拿大墨西哥出產的這個車輛零組件它是排除試用嘛不用說試用25%當然相對的他們在進口美國車的稅率也是有相對的付出那我們要問的是說今天是17.5那你們有沒有算過說如果從17.5假設往下談判 |
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多少的稅率會對我國的產業或對多少居委人口產生衝擊這個東西有沒有計算過其實我們也都有算過啦只是說這個這個內容其實我們也不宜在這邊做做討論那我想我們這個談判辦公室那邊我們也給足了一些資訊那讓這個談判代表們跟美國在談判的時候他可以就對我們產業的衝擊面的部分他會做整體的考量好 市長 |
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那最後問一個問題就是說其實到目前來講因為如果如你們的報告所說如果有衝擊到8.3萬的就業人口那成良公會當然是說30萬啦在這樣的情形下面我們目前來講這個車關稅 汽車關稅 整車進口的降價的空間是存在的嗎還是不太可能坦白說 |
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呃這個我想還是要看談判的結果再來做做這個說明好沒關係市長謝謝市長跟我們副代表請回喔那我們現在請交通部陳部長部長 |
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很好來部長好部長我們針對內政這個就沒有跟你談關稅了這個計程車的部分我想部長應該很清楚知道到底要怎麼樣能夠成為計程車司機過去當然計程車是一個比較這個特取行業有所謂的權利金跟這個靠好的問題 |
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那自從這個多元計程車加入之後我想我們也收到很多陳情就是說其實各車行在喊價因為這個他們要投入這個這個這個行業裡面他需要有這個牌嘛他們需要有這個營業執照那也需要靠行所以現在的牌價 |
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車牌使用金從8到12萬開始喊那這個問題我想從去年就在發酵我想報紙上也有一些報導那過去有講說要請可能這個各六都的交通局也好或是公路局來了解跟協調我想問一下因為 |
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其實四大車行裡面包括容車等等容車只要600塊那其他的民間的廠商民間的民營的這個車行現狀來講很多靠這個維生的這個小黃司機或是多元汽車司機他們會去反映說這個排價好像沒有一個公平的標準是任由車行去喊價的 |
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那我想問一下到底目前為止過去邀請六都交通局跟公路局去深入了解的狀況目前狀況是怎麼樣有沒有可能交通部去訂定一個全國一致的範圍的費用應該跟各縣市都有保持聯繫那目前針對這個有漲價的這個靠航費的狀況目前只有兩個縣市現在有看到的是基隆市跟新竹縣那從每個月1200條漲到1500那其他的14個縣市目前的靠航費的部分是沒有做調漲 |
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那所以這個部分我們也有收集說駕駛人有沒有這樣子的反應到目前為止很像也沒有收到巧木林利收費的民意收費的這個行為那個車牌使用金 靠網費另外一回事有兩個錢喔靠網費當然是你們有一個這樣的價格現在問題是車牌使用金就是營業車牌這件事情你們怎麼去管這件事情 |
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這個部分跟我們報告一下現在計程車這個號牌的部分大概分三類那一類是優良駕駛人個人車牌的部分那另外一個部分包括這個龍車那個是屬於這個這個合作社的部分那另外一個部分的話大概就是一般計程車行 |
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那就是本身擁有這個什麼車耳的部分那車耳的這個部分的話確實可能有一些就是說地方上面不同這個數量上面的一個這個有這樣子的情況那這個部分的話在這個應該是在100這個就是那時候多元計程車要開放的時候那有一個跨地 |
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就是說譬如說我舉個例子說台中地區如果本身的相關車額的部分如果說不夠的話那基本上是可以跨區域到新北到台北這邊來這個就是說公會同意的話就可以調這個相關的一個這個車額 |
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那至於說剛剛你所提到的部分就是說那這些相關車額的一個這個排費的這個部分的話確實是有一些這個差異那這個部分的話我們再請這個六都這個我想主要問題還是在六都這邊我們再請這個六都 |
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對於這個雙方的一個部分再來了解比較細部的情況那如果說有需要這個大家來做一個這個協調這個什麼協商的部分的話這個部分我們也會跟六都來這個就是說合作讓這個計程車入行的一個這個相關負擔能夠這個就是說盡量的一個降低以上 |
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我要釐清就其實這兩部分一個是靠行費靠行費當然你們現在有在管制這個OK這沒問題現在問題是說取得營業小車車牌這部分掛牌費這掛牌費這個權利是在交通部手上還是在各車廂手上這部分我覺得是你們是不是要把它收回來還是要怎麼樣去跟業者之間去協調不要說好像就放出去那這個價格大家去喊 |
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那這我想對於很多想需要靠這件事情為生的他光是這件事情他就很麻煩還有一個問題現實對不起主席我再最後一分鐘講一下現狀是怎麼樣就是他今年初現在A車行 |
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談好的權利金他掛牌OK了但是結果A車行後來經營不善或怎麼樣他賣給B車行B車行會去跟這個司機再收一次權利金他會說那前面是你跟A談的跟我B沒關係所以這個亂象這個管理的部分我想對於交通部來講這個是影響到很多基層民眾的生計我們希望交通部能夠確實的管理這個部分這邊我再補充一點 |
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如果是這樣子的情況的話因為自備車輛成語經營基本上跟車廠都要簽契約然後這個契約基本上是經過當地公共會雙方這個會商同意之後那如果有這樣子的情況的話我們請這個交通局特別來做這個了解因為這個東西基本上已經違反這樣子的一個這個規定那一規定都可以來做查處好謝謝喔那我們請就是你們把了解狀況了解完之後再跟我們委員會來說明好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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謝謝黃建豪委員的執行特別跟各位委員做說明跟報告因為今天我們登記執行委員非常眾多所以拜託各位委員就是控制時間依照我們的時間接下來我們陳雪生委員我大哥來執行謝謝召委你不是送頭我來嗎 |
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剛才都沒講是不是請航空警察局廖局長廖局長我為什麼找廖局長你知道嗎?他是我民國78年,我在士林分局服務,他是我的同事 |
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廖長你到院到現在是從警察署主任秘書調過來是你到航空警察局服務有沒有什麼困難包圍沒有困難沒有?各位委員都非常支持,謝謝恭喜你謝謝我也拜託我們民航局何局長還有機場公司、董事長能夠多關照有什麼事情盡量配合協調好不好是你請回沒事謝謝委員 |
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是不是請我們交通部陳部長還有談判的副總代表閻小姐副總還有副代表,因為時間的關係我們現在川普在大刀關稅,砍向世界 |
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總出口大概是4750億美元,我們台灣那美國的部分有1113然後進口是464億美元,出超大概739億副代表你有沒有注意到?我們只注意到美國,有沒有注意到大陸? |
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大陸的出口是1500,我們對他出口是1506億美元進口是806億美元,出超700億跟美國相距不遠美國的大刀子像我們的時候你要注意到尤其現在台灣在反中等等跟美親近是好事不是壞事但是要注意到我們在大陸的貿易我們等於他們也是用最惠國待遇給我們 |
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所以你不要觸怒了中共這一點要小心我女婿是美國人回來跟我聊天,聊到我說你對川普這個人印象怎麼樣他說還不錯,我說什麼還不錯我就有點生氣了他說你曉得嗎,川普最大的優點就是善變還有說謊他用善變跟說謊 |
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你看看全世界砍過去以後他穩賺不賠韓國瑜院長講說貨出去錢進來人進來錢進來他不是他今天嘴巴一喊所有的股票全部都漲價了所以你在談判的時候你注意到你在談判小組裡面也要分析一下大陸的反應尤其也很重要所以我想好你請回沒事部長 |
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小山通現在大概只有來了一千多個人、兩千個人現在我再請問你一次我們希望大陸的鄉親到馬祖金門或是到台灣來觀光,歡迎還是不歡迎?沒有政治前提之下都歡迎為什麼有一些媒體反對,很像大陸人來對我們沒安好心? |
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我們在官方的立場是歡迎他們來沒有政治前提之下所以我在上一次質詢的時候曾經問到部長跟各部會講少一點刁難,少一點為難到金門馬祖全部那個部隊也沒幾個人 |
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用漁船就上來了,我不是說自己給自己漏氣啦我沒有自己給自己漏氣這一方面是不是請部長多跟他們講一下嘛是不是你不要把老共講得那麼糟糕嘛是不是一直反中現在金門馬祖我們很可憐你看陳玉珍委員講的自貿區自貿港口台灣很多啊是不是,台中、高雄、基隆、花蓮全部都是啊 |
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金門那個自保區港口馬上就變成洗產地,那台灣那邊不是洗產地嗎?所以我們在觀念上,我跟你做個溝通好不好?是再跟你談一下那個觀光的部分 |
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是不是請鄒書長上來,再加強一下好不好?我們齊碧那邊你看有很多廁所,什麼髒的臭的不得了,尤其五月份我們觀光地來了,請幫忙一下請幫忙一下,那邊再加強一下,請風景管理處幫忙一下好不好?好,那我想鄒書長你請回好不好?是不是請何樹斌局長? |
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這邊要談機場改建,馬祖飛高雄航線馬祖飛高雄航線,謝謝部長的幫忙,成全我們這一個航線非常不容易在交通部施壓、民航局施壓、華信我也謝謝我們中華航空公司總經理、高董事長 |
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謝謝啦但是我們馬祖老闆質疑為什麼只飛一班何局長為什麼只飛一班能不能說明一下 |
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我想高雄南竿其實歷經了很長久的一段的經過那這個航線因為早期來講他當然有他的過去的歷史那現在重新飛航一週一班我們想是從之前有包機那我們也培養了一段時間那現在要轉成定班的話那他就要有固定的旅客人數 |
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所以我們就華信這邊就規劃了每週先用一班而且他是排在週五那週五跟週六日是可以串起來所以而且基本上在南竿這邊也有台北南竿的航線所以我想這樣整體來看我們先用每週一班來飛然後培養客源到一個程度我們再看市場狀況現在也就是說客流量不太穩定嘛對沒錯當然中華航空公司的子公司華信啊 |
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他是一個股份有限公司,他的財務是獨立自主的債商延商嘛,他沒有錢賺我想不要說部長,院長你去給他施壓也沒有用啊是不是,他的股東會同意嗎?不會同意嘛所以先非一般,因為我也跟高董事長也談過這個事情 |
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他非常非常的為難,而且在票價部分我知道這次民航局把他壓低了不過如果流量正常的話,希望你們能夠賺到錢我們希望你這個做生意就是要賺錢嘛是不是沙流生意有人做,Cribben生意沒人做啊所以高董這邊您看看好不好如果一般我們在客流量非常穩定非常好這個最加費的誰?是我們國軍的 |
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我們這些防衛部的人員,這阿兵叫他們說回家的路太遠了好不容易縣長、議長我拜訪了華信拜訪了很多次然後那時候高董事長也是華信的董事長 |
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郭東很多次,他在謝董事長一直在逼他,沒辦法的情況之下,所以這個飛機飛了所以我希望能夠順利成功,希望客人量夠的話,能夠再多一班好不好尤其你飛機可以的話,好謝謝高董事長你請回那何警長這邊還有 |
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上一次我問你北竿機場的停車場滾動式檢討,你一個月現在開始啟動滾動式檢討了沒有,請說明有關北竿機場的停車的使用情形,我們現在先收集資料因為他從收費其實也才在三月中才開始 |
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那所以說基本上現在來講其實時間還不是太長那當然之前委員有說明過就是說鄉親有一些反應希望在這個停車費率等等那當然這個整個我們還是需要收集一段時間的資料是啊我是說不要讓他成為文子館嘛是了解我想對審計部啊我們也可以做一個交代了嘛我知道如果客人量這裡面停車會停車如果收費太低的話審計部會有意見啊我知道 |
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那這個行政程序我們已經走完了,我是說希望能不能幫忙一下好不好,這個能夠做滾動式檢討這個部分我們會再來滾動檢討好另外,主席你請坐北竿機場興建,我上次問過,北竿機場興建的期程已經啟動了嘛那航站的人員,你們北竿的航空站的人員不會撤吧 |
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還有利隆,因為航站裡面不航小航班,還有利隆航空公司的人員因為我們現在要希望建議邊建邊飛,是不是這樣? |
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跟委員報告因為我們現在這個案子已經跟港公司這邊合作前面的維提、造地等等今年港公司這邊會來進行招標那招標完之後會做細設那細設的時間大概需要兩年多的時間所以真正的施工會落在118年那在這個細設的階段我們也會來評估整個機場的運作因為基本上它還是就是說它在細設要兩年喔 |
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對今年因為他比較複雜然後連施工一共七年嘛是不是沒有施工是七年施工七年那我們如果邊飛邊建邊飛邊建這個就是那尤其微堤的部分城鄉的部分這些不影響飛行安全的情況之下民航局往這個方向走好不好可行性你們現在要做未雨綢繆的評估好不好 |
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要謝謝委員啦 之前有多次的提醒在這個部分 那這部分我們會再細說董事長你說明一下好不好 我們港公司董事長跟委員報告一下 目前這個工程我們在準備相關的前置作業那因為這個機場的話 可能危體兆路的話 可能有一些要轉攤要什麼那個要把它做好 免得說到時候做好以後會有呈現的問題所以相關的一些還有呈現的問題嘛 |
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因為他跑道的鋪面 |
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我想時間應該兩年足夠了我們中正機場、松山機場,碰面的速度應該很快你盡量朝著一邊飛一邊那個因為有一些有心人士我跟你講馬祖發生兩次空難,我弟弟五口全部罹難前縣長,楊孫生縣長也是另外一次空難裡面降落在海上所以這個機場一定要改建,是不是一定要改建? |
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你不要等出了事,出了事再來做就來不及了這已經在做了你看我們全國的機場只有馬祖德兩座機場是個應該算是危險的機場危險的機場,它不是一個編制類的機場所以這個機場勢在必行好不好這個拜託部長還有我們局長、港公司這邊我們來共同努力因為他們講說 |
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這個機場蓋了以後,有一些人員像消防班有一些人現在大家都希望錢多勢少離家近嘛還要渡海到南竿去上班,非常不方便所以我想借這個機會告訴我們鄉親沒有這個問題當然晚上夜間施工可能會造成一些噪音的問題等等這個我希望在下次交通委員會到馬祖考察的時候已經排定在五月十幾號 |
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拜託局長,這一些配套你請幕僚人員趕快做出來,我們到那邊一併跟我們鄉親來說明好不好?好,謝謝部長,謝謝我們董事長還有局長,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們陳雪生委員那特別跟各位報告一下如果要方便的話就執行因為我們中午就不休息因為登記委員非常眾多所以沒有辦法休息那現在我們請廖先祥委員來執行 |
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好謝謝主席喔那一樣我們陳部長陳部長來我們鐵道局楊局長楊局長 |
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部長好 局長好 這個還是跟兩位先確認一下地方的軌道建設的一些進度啦那當然汐止的軌道建設 我們有三個部分嘛那其中一個部分目前正在由地方政府正在修正計畫就是這個台北市民生段嘛 這個我們就先不提那另外應該有兩個部分在我們的交通部啦應該沒錯 一個是基隆捷運的基本設計另外一個是汐東縣的修正計畫 |
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那這兩個部分我知道當然行政院對於這個補助軌道建設的比例的部分可能會因為財化法去做一些調整但是這個金額的部分我們先不提啦我們就是先就專業審核的部分我們總之是專業審核了之後那補助的比例之後才是由行政院來定嘛那在專業審核的部分這兩條基隆捷運的基本設計以及這個西隆捷運的修正計畫不曉得我們這邊的審議的進度怎麼樣我是不是請局長好 |
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跟委員報告基隆捷運的基本設計經過我們跟新北市政府做過兩三輪的溝通現在已經初步有一些梳理大概往程序在進行當中 |
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是 所以有沒有所以大部分的障礙裁除了對 是的 大部分障礙都排除但是最終經過交通部如果同意的話還是要送到工程會來核定才是最後的這個基本設計核定然後可以進入法保好 那這個東西應該是跟財化法是比較不會有關係是的那我們有沒有預計的時程今年有沒有辦法完成至少我們出交通部有沒有辦法設立一個目標如果說地方政府都有配合我們的一些意見的話 |
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這個我們盡量來加速來辦理好吧,上半年有機會嗎?繼續努力好啦好啦,那至少就您來看應該是沒有什麼太大的問題啦一直非常關心這個議題,我們會盡量來加速好,那另外一個就是系統捷運的修正計畫嘛它大概從預算規模從300多億到600多億嘛那我們這邊的審核的進度大概怎麼樣? |
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這個現在局裡面還在跟新北市政府捷運局做一些溝通因為主要還是涉及到八堵機場的經費分攤我想我們會再跟他們積極來討論所以最大的問題在於八堵機場的經費分攤那其他的部分有沒有意見比較分歧的地方 |
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或者說地方政府認為應該是要納到共同攤體的部分你們認為不需要會有類似的問題會有類似的好那後續可不可以把一些爭議項目整理一下就是地方政府認為應該是中央地方攤的那我們認為應該是地方政府自籌的好那整理一份那我們需要討論的時候再來討論好的我們再跟委員報告好謝謝局長那接下來部長這個我們請教一下這個可能香港局跟港務公司 |
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來 葉局長 李董事長不好意思 今天還是要跟三位討論一下就是先前有長榮海運的船員可能跟離職的船員有走私毒品的一個問題當然港務公司 港的問題跟機場一樣因為機場裡面有很多攤位我們港裡面也有很多的單位包括海關 包括警察單位 |
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整體的架構不是我們就能夠解決的啦那至少我們在發生這個問題之後我們一般大家都會認為說可能航空系統的管理好像感覺起來都會比港務系統來得嚴謹走私的機會比較高那可能會有一些系統性的問題那不曉得根本上有哪些差異到什麼管理上面可能在強度上面有落差那造成這些走私的問題 |
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報告委員您剛剛所說的沒有錯啦不管是港或者是機場它的這個複雜度其實相對是高的啦尤其是港的部分其實船多人多那公司也不少那前一陣子確實有發生這個長榮海運現任跟離職的三個船員走私大麻毒品的這個事件那這個部分其實航港局也在3月25號有召開會議 |
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長榮海運也好或者是相關的單位大家一起開會討論啦針對這個改善的方案一定要提出來因為我們現在已經看到問題了嘛那遇到的問題就想辦法去解決讓它以後不要再發生但我們應該是身為一個管理者應該是說我們看到制度上有沒有哪些要調整的地方有沒有我們自己有沒有內部檢討至少我們港港局或者是港務公司如果說有 |
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我們可以做得更好的話 降低這個型案發生的機會我們要自我檢討哪些部分 可能是未來會去做調整的我請葉局長回答一下報告委員 有關這個成員進出管制的門哨的這個加強管制的做法我很快跟委員報告 我們短期就是必須要由傳東跟傳代 |
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他在港公司的這個港區通行證的系統他去進行登錄之後登錄這個船員的身份資料之後這個船員才能夠申請他的通行證如果沒有經過船東跟船代的登錄他是不能自行申請以前可以就對了以前他可以自行申請以前可以自行申請那現在就類似有要找一個保證單位是的才能夠進來是的那這個部分已經在4月8號已經開始實行了 |
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是 所以就是人員進出的管制更加的嚴格這樣是是是好 那還有其他的嗎其他的部分就是登船管理的部分我們現在會加強要求那跟文包我們現在就是依照這個ISPS我們叫國際船舶港口保全的規定我們現在他在登船前必須這個船方必須要列印有個QR code |
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那也要把登船的這個人員的名冊要先在我們的QR Code系統要做登錄登船前這個登船人員要掃描QR Code那符合我們登船人員的名冊在名單內他才可以登船是所以這個部分我們也建立了機制後續我們航港局在各航務中心都有加強查核的一個做法這部分我們也還請那這都是針對人員嘛那如果港務公司的部分 |
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就是包含那個航港局他有開過會所以我們都配合就是船東船大所以我們就是配合航港局的一個政策那另外一個就是我們請那個港警加強來查細那還有就是對我們港所在的相關的航商什麼我們加強宣導我們所有的人員進出會像機場因為我沒有進去過不好意思會進出會像這個機場一樣每個都有人員的X光機的檢查之類的嗎還是目視檢查 |
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港區 他是木市 都是木市那所以車輛進出可能就是檢查這個有沒有違禁品之類的對 通行證 那就是RFID那實務上為什麼沒有辦法做到像機場這樣子的一個比較嚴格的管制 是量太大了嗎 還是以前他進出的話是人 就是他船員他有那個 |
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那現在就是我們多一個保障就是船東船大這些遊船先卡位因為其實像我們這個機場會比較單純是因為我們都是人那我們人的進出就跟這個旅客進出一樣嘛就大家檢查那所有的貨物都有X光機的一個檢查那當然就是雙重的檢驗嘛那我們港務公司不然我們港港局或是說港務系統可能也是要 |
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除了人的進出管制之外可能貨物的進出讓他看是量能不足的部分可能需要海關那邊增加檢查量能之類等等的我都希望說我們當然發生事情的時候大家第一個部分可能會想到我們交通部但是需要其他單位配合的部分我們也必須要多一跨機關的來請求其他機關的一個協助這樣子好不好希望避免類似的案件再發生謝謝部長 謝謝各位訪問 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們廖先祥委員接下來我們請蔡其昌副院長執行謝謝主席 這個時間很有限請陳部長跟高鐵公司鄭董事長好 高鐵鄭董 |
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董事長好這個高鐵204這個班次發生了在板橋站過站應該是說不能說沒有停應該是停下來沒開門就開走了那這個事情我不知道大家怎麼看待在本席來看我覺得這個是一個 |
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當然你們已經做了一些處置包括做了一些處分但本席對這個事情的看法是我們要徹底把這個案例拿出來檢討然後並提出到底它發生了什麼事情那該如何來改進部長如果你不是了解那個詳細可以請鄭董事長回答沒有關係我想請教一下那一天停車大概幾秒鐘 |
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他停車大概只有20幾秒那通常20幾秒的門為什麼沒有打開基本上他要停下來以後他這個駕駛他那時候他還在還在猶豫這個是不是要停下來還是說是一個通過站因為在之前他一個經驗他大概一個一兩個月裡面他在同樣的這個地方前後 |
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123那1跟3都是通過站結果他6次這個第6次前面5次都是通過的我的意思是說那他為什麼停下來之後才開始思考這個問題 |
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他是這樣所以他犯了一個錯誤就是說他是有一個疑慮他應該趕快請教我們的行動中心結果他沒有這個做他想說留下來以後他要看他自己的平板確定他的這個訊息是不是對的不是 董事長你們的邏輯是到站之後才確定這一站他要停不停他是停下來之後再確定要不要停還是說 |
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我今天開 我開始懷疑了我要不要停 我就開始問控制中心說這一站要不要停因為他的弔詭在於 他已經停起來了他停起來 然後24秒我們每天搭高鐵上班的人都知道停下來到開門 大概5秒吧 5秒門就開了因為你還有一個列車長在門口控制那個開門 對不對 |
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所以他停二十幾秒之當中他到底發生了什麼事情他停下來然後開始想這站要停嗎就是一般人如果說他說他沒有停他忘了他根本不知道這站要停西湖就直接開過去我還能夠稍微理解就是他可能走神了他可能分心了他可能想到Maybe很快樂的事情就一路開過去了 |
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可是他是停下來還20幾秒董事長有沒有查看看他這20幾秒到底發生什麼事情我補充一下包委員其實在他出發之前出站之前在briefing的過程已經有告訴他要停哪些站所以基本上他在那個時刻就應該要知道所以他每一站哪站要停自己要清楚那第二他到了站之後他停下來他要給列車長一個指示列車長才能開門 |
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那當時他沒有給列車長指示於是列車長趕快就要打電話給他給駕駛那打給他的過程當中他也應該要問清楚聽電話聽清楚結果他沒聽清楚他以為列車長是要催他說趕快走你不應該停那那個時候其實他還可以看平板確認 |
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但實際上他又沒有去看平板確認但即便你不看平板確認你也應該跟OCC聯繫也就是行空中心聯繫確認說我這站到底要停或者是不停當他不確定的時候但他也沒做這個動作於是車子就開出去了所以連串的其實都有機制可以防呆但他該做的很像都沒做部長你這樣回答我能夠理解換言之這24秒其實就是在這個 |
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跟列車長處理停不停開不開走不走就是這些問題對就是他在猶豫的過程好那這一個事件啊凸顯當你設計了這些機制他還是會停下來20幾秒然後開走有沒有想到接下來要怎麼辦 |
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是 我們認為說在這種情況發生的時候應該是一個就是我們的列車長可以馬上按我們的PEI讓車子就停下來這是一個機制另外一個方式就是說這個列車長趕快告訴我們OCC請OCC把他這個車子把它停下來這兩個機制 |
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這個就是接下來不會再發生這種因為你這裡面看起來你設計了一些防呆的機制但看起來這是一連串防呆機制失效之後所產生的這個結果所以那個防呆還不夠防就更呆的情況底下你就防不了了 |
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就呆到這個程度就會產生今天這個現象之前的機制是針對駕駛而已那現在就是增加了其他的單位可以把列車停下來的一個權限 |
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所以跟這個委員報告就是我們往後這個朝向加強這個列車長駕駛列車長以及行控中心三個的互相聯繫的這個的這種動作我們要加強那這件事情我們真的是感覺很抱歉讓這個不管旅客也不方便讓我們社會大眾甚至我們委員這邊都這麼的關切我其實覺得旅客不方便是這裡面受傷最小 |
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就旅客很重要喔,但是如果今天是因為有波比啦,這沒有停往前開沒有發生任何意外嘛,就是只有耽誤了旅客當然這很重要,但是如果跟意外比起來,旅客的時間的浪費反而是最輕的啦 |
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所以我覺得這件事情不能等閒置之的原因是因為高鐵是幾乎成為現在無論是這個就國人無論商務或者旅行他最重要的交通工具之一 |
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那同時每天尤其是大家現在知道高鐵都塞嘛車人很多像假日啊這個立法院都在問買得到票買不到票連立法委員都每天都在關心自己買得到票能不能回去你就知道一般民眾那難度更高了所以你接下來要調整的方式你一定是更密集 |
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就你只能更密集,不然難道你要蓋第二條高鐵嘛對不對那你更密集對於這種防呆的精準度就如果簡單講他該停沒有停,然後前面剛好那台車子也還在那這個時候恐怕所釀成的這個問題恐怕會更大所以呢這個 |
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我很訝異是因為高鐵公司竟然會發生這種事情這個讓我很訝異那竟然訝異了它到底問題出在哪裡我們原先的房呆設計表示還是不夠房子啦所以應該在這方面還是要再加強 |
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謝謝委員的指教我們會挑戰我們這些各種剛才講的SOP會來強化那另外跟委員報告一點這個所謂的會不會追撞這個事情呢在高鐵的這個所謂的Fair to Safe的這個概念是不會的因為它每一個控制我們那個電路板那個軌道電路裡面會 |
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要求你前面有這個車子你這邊就停下來不會進去所以這點我補充報告這個我當然知道啦但我的意思就是說我也沒想過會有過站不停或者是停下來20幾秒再開走沒有上下車就跟你現在跟我講說不會啦我們都設計好這個不會追撞不會什麼就是我原先也不會放就是 |
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當聽到這個事情的時候我第一個時間我助理告訴我說我還跟人家講說這一定是假消息哪有可能高鐵怎麼可能發生這種事情那過不久就發生SSG所以我的意思就是更謹慎的態度來面對你認為不可能發生謝謝委員的指教讓我們會深切檢討謝謝謝謝蔡其昌副院長的指引接下來我們請邱若驊委員來指引 |
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交通部陳部長 |
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委員好部長好部長本期在上週的時候4月8號的時候交通部業務報告中有針對巴德地區的觀光發展提出質詢那同時當時也詢問部長有關三一線延伸至巴德的相關進度那當時本期也拿出行政院給予的回覆那當中行政院我們可以看到第三點有針對LB13站還有LB12A站因為進出的人數還有他預估的運量不足那 |
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行政院有要求交通部督導地方政府進一步評估兩站的可行性那部長您當時回覆說會再瞭解相關的情況那過了一個禮拜不知道部長目前掌握到哪一些最新的資訊還有進展報告委員這個必要性確實當時是被行政院那個國發會他們是有提出來 |
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有一些意見那這個部分我們也跟地方政府包含桃園市政府跟新北市政府兩邊也都有溝通那目前有些進度我是不是請局長可以來回答一下這個案子我想國安會已經完成審議了是有這個意見沒有錯但是最終還是送到院裡面那現在在院裡面再做最後的這個審查跟核定的程序 |
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也就是國發會的部分也針對這個意見已經有審核過了請問部長請問局長就是你們預計就是什麼時候會完成核定這個要看院那邊還是要再看嗎交通部的這邊的程序已經都走過了那國發會的程序也應該是差不多完成了那之後就看院那邊的 |
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是因為本行一再提醒部長因為捷運山陰線目前的進度已經達百分之八十二了無人的駕駛它現在也已經啟動了那預計今年年底完工明年營運嘛那因為山陰線它延伸八德段是在交通部去年九月二十號的時候呈報行政院那本行我們目前這邊的了解是它還沒有核定那當時交通部呈報的路線是山陰線的LB10 |
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2站那沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站兩座高架的車站那終點站則是與捷運綠線G04然後採購過的方式設置LB14地下車站那全長約4.3公里部長請問要請問您的態度啊就是對於新增LB12A還有LB13是否支持設站 |
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報告委員 我們交通部都審議過了 這個是地方政府的規劃 我們都尊重那交通部當然會審議 那審議也已經過了 那這個部分應該是OK了所以我們目前還不知道行政院的態度嗎如果因為人口數還有運量 它預期的運量不足那最終它決定會同時移除這兩站 那您認為會帶來什麼樣的影響 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
這個等他確定之後我們再來討論後續的影響是還要等確定那這邊先和部長討論您知道在台北區域系統我們交通部所審過的是有這幾站目前我們交通部給出的意見是有這幾站那如果院那邊有另外的意見我們後續再來討論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
好那這邊也另外請教部長一個問題你知道在台北捷運的系統中路段最長的是哪一段嗎這個我不清楚OK好那是把南線的龍山市站到張子翠站那它兩站的距離大概是3公里形成時間大約是4分鐘那部長如果移除LB12A和LB13這兩站 |
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13829.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那他預估的長度是4.3公里那已經明顯喔他這個長度超出台北捷運站目前最長的站距那這樣的前提下如果未來旅客發生如果他們碰到火災還是地震其他緊急的情況那這邊是否會造成他疏散上面有難度呢 |
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包括委員您剛所提到的那個藍線捷運的部分它主要是因為跨河所以距離才會拉這麼長那一般的捷運站來說距離不會這麼長不太會有這麼長的狀況那您記不記得就是2014年的時候有發生政捷事件那當時就是從龍山市到江子翠站那它就是台北市它最常佔據 |
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的路段也正因為這樣子所以要請部長再考量就是LB12A還有LB13這兩站他設置的必要性因為我們要顧及乘客的安全目前交通部這邊沒有否定的意見沒有否定的意見因為我們看到秦政院的態度他是持否定的意見所以他遲遲不肯核定 |
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這個我們就不曉得,但是我們的部分是沒有問題部長你應該要掌握啊,因為你知道過了多少天了嘛但是國發會那邊也已經審議過了所以國發會對於這兩站他們最後也是接受我們的說法了上禮拜本席問到部長的時候已經201天了,那今天是208天對,所以這個已經卡在行政院卡了208天了 |
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對 所以希望部長能掌握就是也像行政院提出到底什麼時候可以來盡快來核定所以不只是轉達也希望部長可以做解決問題的人好好OK 好 部長先請回座休息謝謝委員那這邊也請今天看一下也請行政院經貿談判辦公室副總 副總 總務副代表 |
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嚴副總好那今年二月川普他發布了加徵對台灣32%的對等關稅那4月9號他宣布實行嘛那消息一出當下造成全球的股災那這個政策不到12個小時目前川普除了宣布對除了中國之外嘛那其他地區暫緩90天那由於桃園總共有37個包邊工業區他的年產值是4.7兆那川普的對等關稅對桃園的製造業也造成了嚴重的衝擊請問次長您知道 |
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桃園它的主要製造業有哪一些嗎我們是經貿談判部門所以對於這個國內產業的部分 不好意思 次長那這邊也請次長今天次長 |
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市長您知道有哪些桃園大概有自通訊產業PCB那還有少部分的一些這個加工零組件這個部分是加工零組件那還有電子零件還有電腦產品還有汽車的零組件嗎那對於 |
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這電子零件然後還有電腦電子產品的還有汽車零組件這三大產業佔我們全市桃園全市的工業產值40%那其中汽車還有它的零組件製造業更是重中之重了福特像福特六合還有國瑞還有中華三大設商都在桃園設產那根據桃園市經發局的資料顯示桃園市的全市汽車還有它的零件製造業總共有380家那前鄭文蔡市長他也稱桃園市 |
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為台版的底特律那次長這邊要請問您2024年台灣的汽車零配件全球出口產值為多少 |
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我們的整個總出口產值我們在這個報告裡面有寫這個整個車輛產業總產值達到5023億台幣那整車的部分是2077億請教您的是零配件零配件的話是 |
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是那我這邊本期得到的資料那台灣的汽車零配件在出口的產值是這邊得到資料是1575億那其中消亡美國的是796億那它的比重是佔了50%所以它的順差是787億那代表我國的汽車零組件對於美國的市場還是高度依賴嘛那這邊也邀請部長還有我們剛剛就是我們的 |
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言談判代表那這邊希望可以保護本土的產業然後作為台灣最大的利益OK好謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝邱若驊委員現在請徐護魁委員執行謝主席有請我們陳部長跟周署長 |
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部長 周署長 |
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委員好 部長好 署長好我想這陣子全球大家好像在洗喪溫暖以下美國總統川普喊出的關稅4、50%、8%然後以下給你降到10%雖然是目前暫緩不過真的也讓全世界很多產業受到很大的驚嚇 |
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那我想最近我們行政院我們左院長也帶領我們許多的團隊在各縣市跟我們各行各業的企業界包含我們一些農業的業者在座談 |
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那部長我想請教那因為目前行政院提出881的一個支持方案那針對交通部的部分我們這邊有什麼樣一個因應方案嗎報告委員目前他的這個方案裡面主要是農業跟工業為主還有勞工大概分這幾塊那目前對於我們交通部的部分其實大家評估比較有可能受影響的是觀光 |
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觀光到現在為止我們看起來的數據是沒有受到影響到現在為止不過對於未來的評估我們正在盤點當中而且我們也有會想一些這個支持業者的方案因為真正如果發生比較負面趨勢的狀況底下比較影響會大的是我們的國內的業者那這個部分的協助的方案我們正在研擬 |
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部長我想我們還是要未雨綢繆甚至超前部署那我想我再舉這樣的一個例子過去我們在疫情期間我們交通部針對一個觀光的一個振興一個復甦的方案提出了一個大概將近500億的一個計畫包含一個觀光業跟交通運輸一個紓困還有一個轉型的計畫那我想面對這樣子目前這個國內旅遊市場這個因為受到國外旅遊市場的一個競爭 |
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我想針對這樣子過去我們推動的包含國旅券包含那個住宿的補助還有團友的一個獎勵補助甚至景區跟這個環境的一個轉型的一個計畫 |
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那部長我們有沒有針對目前這個國內旅遊市場低一米的狀況有沒有再考慮採取這樣的這幾個配套措施就像我剛剛跟您報告的這次的關稅的這個影響到目前為止看起來數據上影響是不大沒有什麼太大的影響 |
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那不過您所提的這幾個振興的方案我們也會研擬在我們秋季或者是冬季的時候因為夏季眼看就到了那目前還評估不太出來因為他那個關稅還有個90天的期間那我們秋季跟冬季的部分我們會先預作準備預擬方案 |
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那不過到時候到底景氣的狀況是往下或往上我相信現在沒有任何一個國家評估的出來但是還是要做好準備我們會先預作準備也就是跟委員報告我們秋季跟冬季的部分我們先做計畫把它擬定起來準備來協助振興觀光的部分 |
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那所以就是下半年的部分我們就隨時做好因應的作策啦不過我想目前我們觀光業他們還是擔心這個缺工的問題那當然我們過去我們在2030的觀光政策白皮書有特別提到我們觀光署要成立一個 |
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財團法人的觀光研訓院那我們戰利俊副院長也有特別要求觀光署用一年的時間來成立這樣的一個機構那請教部長跟署長我們目前經過三個月了這個成立的進度為何? |
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是 報告委員我們這個觀光研訓院的部分我們會預計在年底之前會可以完成那這些我們部裡面也都開過會我也跟周處長開過會那我們部裡面相關單位包含財主單位大家有開過會針對未來的這個設置的計畫跟未來的這個基金的這個來源就是資金的來源的部分我們也都有一定的方案那目前正在寫計畫當中我們大概這個月的月底大概就會有一個比較具體的方案會拋過來 |
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我知道部長跟署長大概這幾年大概為了這個國內外觀光大概有很多的想法跟對策啦不過我覺得這個我們還是要與時俱進啦我覺得我們古年生活今年不一定好用啊尤其我覺得整個觀光環境的這個變遷也非常非常大那我們的這個遊客也好甚至我們鄉親他的對於旅遊的想法也隨時都在改變他看到最少他就招隊啊所以這個真的是要隨時有滾動檢討的必要性啦 |
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那回過頭來我還是要提到屏東觀光那部長我想您自己本身也很常下去這個恆春啊你覺得恆春這個屏東公路目前我們大概就走屏東公路吧因為過去我們這個也有相關的機構委託公關公司提到屏東觀光的一個問題那其中被最大的一個詬病的其中一個要點就是 |
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那你這個觀光這個交通的問題尤其我們現在目前當然我們現在目前針對高鐵也好捷運也好平台快速到達這幾條路的那個進度我們要加快進行但是這個交通擁捨跟測速照相機過多發達很多這本事件很難聽部長這部分有沒有辦法跟內政部跟相關的單位來做研究看怎麼樣因為總是設置了一個時間之後是不是應該要做調整 |
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你不要塞下去之後 都開發端開了之後好像也沒有解決應該解決的問題反而造成民怨造成大家不敢往墾丁去跑這問題部長怎麼看待報告委員您剛剛所說的塞車的問題其實您也關心過很多次包含未來有可能的觀光鐵道是個方案還有就是屏南快的部分也是一個方案交通的部分我們一步一步來解決那另外你們說 |
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您所提到這個警察取締或者是測速照相太多這個過去會設這些測速照相就是因為有出過一些車禍所以才會設置代表當時的車速或許是過快才會有測速照相那測速照相之後也確實有一些成效啦坦白講就是車禍的狀況變少了 |
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那現在會不會太多以我自己開車因為我時常開車去墾丁再加人過去我是沒有被拍照的經驗但是有一些人確實是覺得這個取締有點太多那這個部分我們跟警政單位大家來溝通一下有沒有可能讓 |
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讓大家又安全然後又守法不過不要時常有罰單的這個狀況我們來溝通我們支持這個危險路口一定要來做加強的取締但是有些路段真的確實可以檢討或許是針對車速的部分大家可以來做討論是是是 |
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那另外我想我們屏東有茂館處茂林風景區管理處跟大鵬灣風景區管理處那過去其實我們在這個好幾個鄉鎮長都有跟我反映有沒有可能我們這兩個風景處的那個範圍裡面把周邊的鄉鎮把它納編進來他們很要讓你們服務 |
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擴大的議題其實很多縣市也都有這樣的期望那我們之前台中的霧峰區也加入了33管理處那委員也關心很多次那我們也會來討論這個議題就是說其他的地方有沒有可能加入不過有一些是特定區的問題我們來想辦法解套 |
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部長我想就是排除特殯區之外那其他有意願的部分能不能一起來納入合作最起碼這個我們相關整個不管是這個旅遊資源也好農特產品甚至你們最拿手的觀光推廣部分整個中央跟地方一起來合作我們也可以用另外一個方式就是用觀光圈的方式我們設定觀光圈然後把它納進來是觀光圈裡面也是可以協助的到這部分我到時候我會再邀縣政府跟相關的單位再跟你們一起來討論 |
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那最後就是我想那個這個票價的問題那台鐵一調了之後台北到屏東的票價破千啊已經破千了那未來這樣子是不是會影響到我們鄉親的權益甚至很多這個旅遊的一個鐵道米這個旅遊的一個 |
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衝擊那甚至我們這個高鐵我知道我們有做一些的旅遊套餐的一個配套措施但是因為我們很多的優質的一些飯店跟民宿的業者一直往往都得不到我們高鐵關愛的眼神沒得變合作對象有點可惜啦那這部分是不是可以來做事實的一個檢討調整 |
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其實台鐵這是票價的調漲它地元是地減所以如果你說台北到潮州或者台北到屏東這個非常遠的距離它反而票價的漲幅是低的不過委員一直在關心針對觀光的影響那我們也會請台鐵公司如果可以的話我們也跟地方的一些觀光業者大家有一個套票或者有什麼樣的合作方案讓未來住飯店也便宜然後交通費用也便宜大家比較願意往南 |
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我覺得就是我們擇優然後來共存共榮把這個餅做大嘛這部分大家一起來努力啦好好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝我們習護魁委員那接下來請我們喜智傑召委的執行好謝謝主席我們陳部長好陳部長 |
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委員好部長辛苦那個對等關稅前幾天正好卓院長也有到南部去針對我們的產業做談那針對交通的部分事實上也要提醒部長一下就是說整個關稅未來對台灣的影響因為其實川普的關稅其實只是個序幕 |
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未來其實最後的目的應該是美國的供應鏈民主國家的供應鏈跟中國的共產國家的供應鏈會分開所以已經會打破以前自由貿易WTO全球化的概念 |
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所以這個是一個序幕當然到最後我們要想到最後就中間這個過程可能我們要怎麼應驗比如說我們的大貨車產業我們的那個車體的那個結構那個 |
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熱淨鍍芯啦我知道他那個CS就是有一些是整體在中國道路那邊做熱淨鍍芯而有一部分是在台灣他是分不同的部分鍍完再去連接所以像這個部分就是說到底以後如果是以供應鏈的角度來看咦 咱的供應鏈有可能用到他們中工的東西那到底要怎麼去運用 |
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像這個東西可能要想很古董的要想很專門的所以就我們的交通事業方面的產業那跟中國供應鏈有關係的可能都一併去做思考這說起來是很多啦但是細節可能要你們交通部去盤點 |
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所以希望說交通部我想各部會都會遇到這個問題啦就是說你沒關係公共工程用到所有的機具或者是載具那你就是任何的車產業界都有可能這個供應鏈長期都會受到影響所以這提醒我們各部門就是說可能這個部分要先去預作一下思考不然未來有人回到你再去 |
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其實我們一直要求觀光署請署長 |
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我想去年觀光署其實有在台北做一個觀光產業數位博覽會那我想這個是一個比較先進的AI技術的融入這個部分其實應該給予觀光署肯定啦我知道不錯的地方先跟你們討論 |
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董仁你昨天我答應說6月要到高雄來辦嘛對不對是是那不知道現在準備的如何我們也配合仲夏節那麼在柏二會有三天的這種數位的這個策展那跟民眾一起互動 |
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那這個部分我們已經整個系統都設計好了那我們會5月23號一起公佈OK 謝謝這個照規劃進行這個我想承諾的東西我要再坎縫一次是不是有答應了有做好這個一定會做謝謝那當然就是說我想再請教一下就是署長這問題今天AI應用到觀光產業那在目前台灣的 |
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影響有多大或者是產值有多大因為在應該這麼講AI跟AR的應用其實是在行銷推廣之外還有一個非常重要就是民眾的回饋然後我們要結合大數據的分析跟區塊鏈這樣才能夠精準的掌握市場 |
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那麼尤其是在少子化跟高齡化之後我們觀光的產業尤其是旅行業、旅館業、遊樂區業他們也需要有更多的這些我們的數位的這些應用那麼如此的話我們整個觀光的這個旅遊產業才能夠更往前走對就是上一次我有跟部長跟署長提到就是說到底台灣你來台灣最有吸引力的是什麼 |
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那目前來講就是說我們的觀光人數上次也有提到現在是786萬坦白講這個數字我們是相當不滿意啦那我們當時很努力的把觀光局變成觀光署就是希望能夠提高格局那做一個更廣闊的思考 |
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所以我們有個概念就是處處都是打卡點 步步都是觀光部那是不是就觀光署在做這個格局的思考的時候我現在覺得你們可能還是被綁在交通部底下的觀光署裡面 |
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應該你要跳出來就說你今天假設是行政院的立場或者是行政院政務委員的立場你來看觀光署應該怎麼發展那該跟各部會跨部會溝通交流的改善的這個該做的要去做要不然你看你的設定的目標去年786萬今年設定的也是 |
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一千萬 對不對挑戰一千萬 對我上次不是有講 你看日本是今年是四千萬二零三年是六千萬那到底我們觀光署交通部在這一部分的長遠的思考有沒有去做改變所以我要要求就是說這個部分希望你們可以改變一下思考就是說不要老是在裡面我再舉個例子 那個 |
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我曾經到其他各個代表處去拜訪,其實你會發現以印尼來講,印尼、印度、法國、加拿大、菲律賓都在這裡辦事處對不對?你過去後到底有多好過嗎? |
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那個是遊客中心啦我們是台灣觀光遊客中心最後就是回過頭來看我的786嘛對不對對我們希望雙印的部分能夠設辦事處也就是我們現在目前為止跟外交部怎麼做都是你的戰術策略啦我要看的就是戰略佈局嘛你最後的結果 |
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你最後的結果坦白講七八六我今天觀光局變成觀光署照理講是提升一個層次是我的要求應該要提高一個層次 |
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是 我們大概是有兩個部分一個是等於是求職的部分 參職啦對所以我們希望也能夠高端團的部分能夠吸引他們所以我希望說其實然後另外一個部分當然就是我們希望能夠自由行的部分能夠呈現台灣的門號你怎麼去做我都拭目以待但是我要看的就是說你那個格局有沒有提高來是比如說印尼 |
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印尼最大的問題其實簽證是個很大的問題是是那你們有沒有想辦法去克服我們一直在跟相關單位在對你懂我意思嗎也就是說我今天要的就是說你今天觀光局變成觀光署我今天786萬是相當的不滿意的那我今天用什麼方式來提高包括我上一次提到的就是你 |
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美食小吃啊日本的溫泉啊你要怎麼樣製造特色讓人家想來我覺得你想廣一點想高一點然後要跟各部會怎麼去跨部會協調這個部分我是覺得現在你做的當然我是覺得還不錯啦但是就是說總是那個格局看到的是不夠的 |
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是不是請署長能夠提高這個格局去做思考希望說部長就是說在跨部會的部分可以給予觀光署協助這樣我們看我就看到他那個做出來的格局決定結局態度決定高度嘛不然你在觀光署裡面 交通部的觀光署裡面怕怕不會中 你做不大步 |
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是不是希望說交通部跟觀光署這部分可以做不一樣的思考所以下一次我希望看到的就是那個那個目標值啦我希望看到一個更高的戰略目標好不好是 我們持續努力對 那我來下一次再來看那個署長再準備一下好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝我們喜智捷召委現在請陳俊宇委員執行 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長還有鐵道局楊局長好 陳部長 楊局長 |
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部長部長局長午安 委員好因應新的這個財務法的相關這個通過之後對於後續的軌道建設是否會造成什麼樣的影響在此我想來就教我們部長首先就是我們這個宜蘭鐵路高架的部分那在去年的10月22號總諮詢的時候 |
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本席也曾經詢問過部長針對宜蘭的鐵路高架是否可以在兩年內來動工那當時部長您有回覆就是說盡量會努力在兩年內來動工 |
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那在行政院核定之後就會進入設計規劃的部分並且會努力在10年內來完工那我想先請教部長就針對這個部分我們的期程會不會改變是 報告委員這個部分你也相當關心那你也一直在督促說這個速度要加快 |
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那對交通部這邊的立場來說我們當然希望速度也要加快所以這個部分其實鐵道局前面該做的前置準備也都做了那跟地方的溝通其實也有在溝通當中那最後還是要等院那邊的核定所以這個過程我們還是盡量以快速的方式來完成好那因為這個之前我也請教過楊局長那在 |
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今年上半年一定要獲得這個核定才能夠順利在明年開始來動工那我想這部分是不是我們後續還是請我們部長跟局長我們繼續加把勁能夠督促我們行政院這邊是不是可以盡快來核定並壓縮後續的期程以確保明年得以如期來動工這部分再拜託部長跟局長那另外高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分這個 |
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高鐵東延宜蘭南延屏東這是我們台灣環島高鐵的一個必經路廊那現在不做未來就會後悔這也是大家目前所看到的一個情形 |
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那我相信相關的這個期程已經都在進行當中包括我們現在環境影響評估已經進入二階的部分也預計可能會在五月初跟七月初來進行這個環評的初審那也希望能夠在八月順利把這個環評能夠通過那針對這個部分我們的期程有沒有改變 |
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包括我們騎乘上是沒有改變不過也要拜託委員幫忙一下地方如果還有一些意見的話也要幫忙溝通一下我們也有最近從媒體有看到說有些地方很像提出了一些意見那這個部分當然鐵道局會積極來溝通那不過也要拜託委員如果可以的話地方上我們一起協助溝通讓未來的環評的這個時程可以 |
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照我們原本原定的時間下去進行好那個地方分歧的聲音我們會去消弭我們會希望說大家能夠有一個共識就是朝向這個高鐵的部分能夠盡快來動工的目標來前進是我們朝這個方向努力好那之前這個114年就是今年的1月22日有曾經召開過鐵道局召開過這個會議與縣政府討論這個 |
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達成一個共識就是行政契約共識那已經委有這個縣政府在委辦當中那我想請教就是針對最後的確定這個高鐵特區會劃定幾公頃的部分這部分是不是已經有一個比較明確的一個目標 |
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這跟委員報告這個我們已經完成委託宜蘭縣政府辦理都市計畫規劃作業所以特區的實際上的規模其實要經過都市計畫的程序才能夠做確定那當然大家都有一些建議有的希望建議大一點或者是什麼樣的一個情況那我想這個要等宜蘭縣政府完成這個都計的規劃跟後續的都計的審議程序才能夠做最終的確定 |
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好那這部分也是請我們鐵道局就是積極的跟這個縣政府來做對話我們除了提供經費也會積極跟宜蘭縣政府這邊來做相互的配合可以盡快讓這個 |
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15535.322 |
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範圍確定的話我相信這也對後續高鐵要推動的過程裡面會更加的順遂那另外就是那個南陽大橋跟葛馬蘭大橋的部分我想請教部長就是針對這個部分因為葛馬蘭大橋預計是118年要完工南陽大橋是119年那這個部分這個工程的期程有沒有改變 |
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目前跟委員報告目前因為現在都在做相關的設計那因為設計的作業大概都要到明年才會完成那設計完成之後我想我們就會找相關的經費來發包目前還是照委員剛所提到的那個期程來進行這樣子 |
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15582.031 |
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那因為其中那個南陽大橋的部分因為這個鐵路高架的部分後來發現那個橋樑也要做我們鐵道的橋樑要改建所以增加60億的部分這個預算應該沒問題吧因為這個設計之後的話會整體的那個這個計畫的經費我們會把它就說要把它納進去不過因為相關的因為這個工程的經費都要滾動檢討到我們的省道的改善計畫經費內所以還要再做一些檢討 |
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好 那以上就請我們部長跟兩位局長能夠積極的來協助我們宜蘭盡早讓我們宜蘭相關的這些軌道建設還有交通建設能夠提升謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝局長好 謝謝陳俊宇委員接下來我們黃珊珊委員執行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15629.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
謝謝主席 我請部長還有觀光署好 陳部長 周署長委員好是兩位早 我想剛剛大家都在討論到底川普的關稅政策會不會對台灣尤其是觀光造成什麼影響 |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15650.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
報告委員這個影響到目前為止還看不太出來因為我們不是貨物啦所以重點是服務服務就變成是我們的強項了重點是觀光署設定今年要到一千萬那第一季看起來是目前推估是兩百一十萬所以部長年底一千萬有信心嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
15667.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
報告委員我其實一直針對這個數字的部分我覺得重點是把台灣的觀光體質做好做好服務做好來了要覺得還想再來是沒有錯重點是觀光署還有台鐵現在都很認真的在推所謂的鐵道經濟鐵道觀光 |
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然後因為我也有很多國際友人問我來台灣要玩什麼我們就會推薦他去看去坐台鐵最新的作為鐵道觀光所以部長你知道現在鐵道觀光有多少的觀光列車你覺得狀況好不好目前看起來都還不錯還不錯 包含明日號 海豐 山蘭狀況都還不錯那4月3號那個明日號出軌是怎麼回事出軌的部分我請台鐵來回應所以狀況就是沒事 |
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我跟委員報告那一天的出軌主要是我們那個整木整木的部分因為那邊是木整有一點所以管理看到明日我們就會覺得我們的觀光會受到影響因為觀光客會看新聞會聽會問 |
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同樣的部長我現在要跟你探討我跟觀光署跟台鐵調資料我們這些觀光列車從來沒有統計過國內旅客跟國外旅客的區別是嗎 |
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你知不知道有多少國外旅客來做相關的有嗎那你為什麼你們回覆給我們說沒有咧國內外旅客有沒有區分有我們現在因為有委我們的觀光列車經營模式都有委託休斯義郵網那他們也都有統計國外旅客的比例沒有啊你10月25號才回我說沒有統計分沒有國內旅客跟國外旅客的區別這樣子是怎樣就是給我的資料都是錯的沒有我們總共的旅資有的話給我們資料第二個平日 |
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才是重點是外國觀光客來坐個觀光列車嘛因為國人就是假日去坐了嘛所以平日需要更多的國外觀光客第一你要知道是誰我的朋友從國外過來坐我請他去坐這個觀光列車他跟我講兩個缺點第一個是有部分幾乎沒有外語服務人員 |
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這件事情沒有外語服務人員目前為止觀光署台鐵是說這是營運商的問題部長啊這不會是營運商的問題這是你觀光署中華民國交通部我們要提供什麼樣的觀光列車這個不會是廠商的問題好嗎應該要讓國外旅客來台灣是我請他們去做就他跟我說他看不懂中文他沒有任何的外語服務人員這是第一個問題第二個部分就是剛剛看到的就是啊 |
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老舊啦我們這車看起來目前為止如日昊將近他都要用兩個車頭來拉是嗎部長知道嗎幾個車頭這個我是不曉得他有兩個車頭來拉為什麼因為他的車頭從33年到45年 |
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的年紀都很大了部長我們如果說明日號是台灣最美的觀光列車它是台灣最棒的頂級的旅遊而且我們收費非常的貴但是我們提供的服務我感覺台鐵只是要做資產活化啦它沒有要做真正的頂級觀光啦也就是說這麼舊的東西管理上面我同意拿舊的廢棄物要拿來做 |
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我同意但是你可不可以做得好一點包委員我們之後會針對明日號的部分我們會換EMU不是只有明日號你現在所有都是拿舊車來改我們現在會拿E500的這個車頭新的車頭來做是第二個搭乘率剛剛講的搭乘率部長我看到新聞是說平均載客到九成 |
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有這麼好嗎你知道現在載客率多少嗎載客率我不清楚但我所知道的是他營運的狀況還不錯還不錯我現在跟你說環島直興載客率30%藍皮節優化60%明日號現在也掉到50% |
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只有一個最新最夯的海豐號大概有九成所以不要拿一個最好的狀況來欺騙交通部啦觀光署我希望觀光列車我們覺得很好鐵道迷都很想來台灣我們也希望他們來台灣看到是台灣優質的服務好的車廂好的服務可是現在看起來就是很舊然後我們做得很漂亮收很貴的錢但是對他們來說會不會想再來要想一下 |
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部長如果觀光經濟你還現在還要成立什麼觀光研訓院這些東西不是只有去外面做大外宣啊東西不好人家不會再來啦要把職做好是所以我希望就我剛剛問的這幾個問題第一個車頭年限過高第二個搭乘率現在你有什麼解救的方法是 |
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如果假日我知道假日其實一票難求因為國人會去國旅但是我們平日需要大量的國際觀光客這一點看起來目前為止一直在下滑所以你說經營的不錯是沒錯有一些縣不錯有一些縣很不好最重要的是如果還有這種出軌啦拖軌啦然後甚至之前還聽說什麼有 |
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漏掛一台車廂啦有的沒有的啦台鐵的狀況真的很多好嗎部長我只希望說如果你連搭乘率都不知道或者是連他們管理的方式都不知道的話我覺得你也很難去督導他們所以我希望這兩件事觀光署成效你可能要仔細的看一下第二個台鐵 |
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這是管理的問題這絕對不是我希望不是只有單純你如果國際觀光要把觀光拉起來不會只是他們兩個單位的事好嗎好部長一個月之內給我一個改善的計畫或者是剛剛我講的這些問題你們有沒有什麼因應之道包括你的車頭要換什麼時候換換什麼第二個國際旅客跟國外旅客的統計不要再用數字來騙我好嗎好 |
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謝謝謝謝黃珊珊委員接下來我們鄭天才委員執行 |
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好 這個主席 各位有請部長好 交通部陳部長來 部長辛苦了 委員好好 我們看這個台灣十大建設這個總共十大建設包含了北迴鐵路北迴鐵路的興建 |
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當時的政府完全沒有考慮到經濟效益就是為了安全的交通不考慮經濟效益 安全的交通好 我們看北回鐵路從這個1973年動工到完工只有六年的時間六年的時間 而這個是非常間際的以當時的工程技術 |
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核研科學的技術各方面北維鐵路總共81.6公里總共有22座的大橋20公尺以上的大橋16座的隧道還有14個火車站這個都是相關的經費以及相關的投入只有6年的時間 |
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這裡面確實是它是一個最間接十大建設裡面最間接的最困難的一個工程好這個剛剛講過了我們來看現在的國道五號銜接蘇花公路蘇花改公路計劃前長只有6.8公里剛才那是81點多公里 |
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這個只有6.8公里以現在的工程技術科技的發達盡量要8年想想看要8年第二個台九線花東縱谷公路安全井瓜大道其實就是台九線的偷寬名稱弄得很大很好這個沒有關係 |
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台九縣的透寬我從第八屆就開始質詢要求最後核定了106到116然後現在要延長到119要13年難以想像透寬而已喔台九縣的透寬所以這個部分真的是需要加油 |
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好 我們看花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化的計畫這個也是我在第八屆開始去吹電氣化已經做囉 電氣化已經做了現在只是要什麼 雙軌化要去銜接這個北回鐵路的雙軌化要去花東的階段要雙軌化電氣化都做了 |
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而在做電氣化的時候已經遺留了雙軌化的路線所以這個部分是應該很容易的結果呢110年要到117年原來的計畫現在又要延長到120年的12月總共要10年7個月要去跟北迴鐵路來比的話 |
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那真的是 難道現在的科技工程技術都退步了嗎所以這個部分 何況現在又有鐵道級 以前沒有鐵道級以前是台灣省政府交通處喔北威鐵路的時候 台灣省政府交通處我過去在省政府當公務員很長時間 |
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生活權道路我們就先講前面的部長真的是要去跟行政院溝通協調跟行政院主計總署其實就是經費的問題經費的投入沒有投入那麼多嘛所以只好展言展言嘛 |
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這是事實嘛我在中央也服務了十年了這個就是預算的分配的問題嘛預算被三倍凍啊不是 部長這樣說就錯了凍結可以解凍現在凍結的理由 既然講到這個 |
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現在行政院之所以要求各部會不把解凍案送到立法院就是因為什麼 理由是說通案刪減的問題其實通案刪減是立法院的幾十年來的慣例而且是 就是授權就是授權給行政院各部會通案刪減 你要刪哪個這授權 |
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何況解凍的條件這麼明確所以這個部分 部長我們不要太政治我們就是要解決民生的問題尤其是要跟行政院跟行政院主席總書長我們要送 為了交通我們要送解凍案好不好 加油最後 一計畫就好 一計畫就好 |
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這個生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫時間的關係請把這個這歷年來這個過去這個執行到現在到那個花蓮台東的就好了花蓮台東的提供給我好 謝謝委員好 謝謝鄭天才委員接下來請鍾嘉賓委員執行 |
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主席在場委員先進列席的政府江蘇黨官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生先請交通部陳部長還有經濟部何次長和財政部的謝次長好那另外的後半段要請航港局的葉局長港務公司的李董事長和陽明的蔡董事長準備好來那個陳部長還有我們政事 |
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部長好兩位次長好今天我的題目呢零關稅同盟不僅要杜絕息產地還要應對各種燃料建制管路儲槽好我們先看請看一下零關稅同盟唯獨中國會產生什麼結果首先中美雙方高關稅貨物就幾乎流通了但是美國要求跟他的同盟去中的自由貿易同盟包括日本台灣韓國歐盟加拿大 |
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我們呢組成一個零關稅的自由同盟而這些國家跟中國之間美國要求你特殊商品要貿易管制而且呢甚至也不排除要求對中國提高高關稅陳部長為什麼美國會有這個要求陳部長為什麼會有這些要求他大概對於整體的生產鏈過去的狀況是不滿意的他希望改變整個生產鏈的狀態好是但是下一頁 |
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就是要嚴防中國製品透過供應鏈從台灣銷到美國對不對現在兩格已經到145 125了但是如果中國或透過來套套組裝再用零關稅同盟過去這是美國要防止的何市長經濟部是不是採取了這五大作為來防止遺產地 |
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監測宣傳重研裁罰建立名單還有反傾銷是是吧好謝謝往下看但是我們來談一個請部長看一下自由貿易港區的貨物原則上可以直接進出不需核准是不是這樣子是吧是是這樣子所以呢我們在2024自由港的出口進出口呢突破三兆 |
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2024年貨櫃有300萬但是我們看一下如果是自由貿易港如果中國貨來到台灣組裝或自由貿易港再出去有沒有可能又或者說它中轉到其他國家越南再來才組裝再出去有沒有可能其中我知道這裡有一個東西兩件事情第一自由貿易港裡面進口的貨物再出去必須加值35%或者是形態有轉型謝市長是不是這樣子請跟賴光說 |
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不管是不是進入自由民主黨區要取得MIT一定要在台灣加持35%以上好 那請告訴我們怎麼防止中國或中轉入台 |
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這個部分我們跟經濟部貿易署這邊其實最近有一些強化措施市長何市長有什麼強化措施跟委員報告我們會密切監控從大陸那五點對那七點好來陳部長我們看往下一題現在自貿區的主力貨物是哪些 |
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電子產品為主在這裡電子生醫自行車組裝對不對對2025還要加上台北港澳變成車輛園區但是我們要怎麼樣哪些需要防止中國稀產地呢有沒有哪些要防止中國稀產地這裡面桃園貢獻到2.4兆 |
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提示一下2018年到2024年經濟部根據自由港條例第16條到歐盟、英國跟美國的這些自行車電動輔助自行車、鋁製輪胎圈還有部分的鋼鐵製品要先行核准為什麼要先行核准 |
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因為最容易被洗產地對所以自貿港的確可能是一個洗產地的破口往下看好那請問自貿區怎麼防止洗產地來 謝市長你過去擔任關務署是不是我們有這兩個防查核貨物的帳戶電腦連線認定進口戶的原產地是不是這樣是好 何市長那你們貿易署是不是透過這兩個方式來確定避免中國洗產地 |
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監測貿易量然後簽發原產地證明那請問這個主管機關管理機關陳部長這就你的囉如何協助查處公司的物流金流2018年到現在自貿區查獲違規運轉43件罰了多少錢是不是你們罰的違規的轉運是海關是海關罰的是關務署罰的 |
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是不是那個跟委員報告一下是海關去查核發現不核的話我們會依請誰裁罰對誰裁罰應該是交通部因為我們是依照自貿港區那個管理條例的法令來處罰啦好來處罰那誰裁罰你看就是這樣來了發財主是我們海關來發沒有錯但是法據是交通部交通部主管陳部長你的責任來了嚴重的話可不可以廢止許可 |
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可以有沒有廢止許可過到目前沒有所以說這件事情誰統籌市交通部統籌部長接下來中國棲產地的事情有關武署有貿易署但是港口的部分是交通部市交通部承諾要防止自貿區棲產地可以嗎好謝謝接下來很快的進行兩個題目來 |
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天然氣進口我們知道本來是跟澳洲卡達美國買的少現在跟美國買請問部長你認為接下來澳洲的天然氣要賣給誰這個我不曉得不曉得來澳洲會怎麼做來往下看澳洲都會想說我天然氣銷量少了我跟太陽能我來做什麼做濾清我可以高溫裂解碳補濾之後呢我變藍青太陽能光電電解水濾青然後我透過液態氫或液態氨的方式出口台灣需不需要 |
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所以如果我們跟澳洲買天然氣澳洲轉型做綠青藍青我們跟澳洲買不買買怎麼運來台灣 |
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好往下看這是對這是陸特丹陸特丹作為歐洲對歐洲未來的能源港生產進口管道運輸加薪站他都一併的準備了所以接下來會做什麼事情往下看所以呢港區要對應各種燃料現在請我們的航港局請我們的陽明海運請我們的港務公司告訴我先請問陽明海運長榮訂了多少的多燃料產長榮 |
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還沒有這出現長榮訂的船要問陽明我要問他同業競爭啊長榮訂了多少艘不同的非傳統燃料船 |
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18艘啦是艘什麼的都是Methyl對就是多元燃料所以未來我們的港口進來的船舶會多元燃料卸載的也是多元的能源請問一下這些多元能源要不要專用管路不管是氫不管是鞍還是液化天然氣要專用的儲槽陳部長您的港口準備好了沒有 |
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報告委員您現在提醒之後我們來想辦法準備好謝謝我不只現在才提醒我過去提醒來李董事長我有沒有問過你那個跟夏業委員報告一下這兩種目前在船的話就是LNG跟上岩那邊是比較少但LNG的話我們目前是在台中港來配合還有永安這邊那目前好來問經濟部何市長你們天然氣結構站可以接收安可以接收清嗎 |
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你們現在籌備的天然氣接收站可以接收安可以接收清嗎經濟部你們只能接收LNG天然氣啦因為這三者的議題的費點不一樣所以管線也要不一樣所以我要提醒陳部長經濟部的天然氣接收站要怎麼去配合經濟部的事情但是請交通部可不可以責成港務局 |
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港港局港務公司還有你們所屬的可以指導的陽明海運盡快的對多元燃料船還有港部地區的管路儲槽跟槽車往下看進行準備並且一個月提出書面報告可以嗎可以好謝謝好謝謝我們宗教兵委員接下來是李坤城委員 |
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李崑城委員 李崑城委員不在現在請楊瓊英委員執行謝謝主席 楊瓊英邀請部長好 交通部陳部長委員好 |
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部長好那我們來討論今年這個來台旅客我們設定的目標是要達到千萬人的這個目標但是我們看到目前全球關稅這個關稅站的陰影之下呢導致了日本韓國東南亞這些中藥客源的市場出現了衰退那更令人憂心的是呢我們這個我國的觀光產業長期存在一個什麼呢景點同質性高 |
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那數位資訊以及交通整合那怎麼樣可以整合得更好還有在我們宣傳跟特色方面必須要連結起來結合才能夠更有效能所以要請教面對國際情勢的嚴峻挑戰跟我們自己本身的條件那部長你也說了4月9號的時候看到你發表說表示我國旅遊業對外行銷的方式是必須要檢討的 |
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所以在這邊要來請教部長面對關稅戰可能帶來的衝擊跟現有的國際旅客衰退的警訊世界各國都很緊張這個警訊我們要採取什麼樣有效的應變方案 |
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又如我們要怎麼去檢討跟改善我國的觀光行銷策略跟產業來結構性的這個結合這個問題是非常的重要才能夠確保你們所宣布的希望這個千萬觀光人士的目標來達成請做說明 |
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報告委員這個不是設定千萬人次我的說法是說去年沒達成我們希望今年能夠達成那另外去年沒達成今年能夠達成當然就是交通部希望在今年來台旅客要達千萬人次但是我一直強調其實質比量更重要 |
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我們現在在打底像委員剛剛所指教的沒有錯我們有很多的地方做的不夠例如說同時性太高或者是宣傳不夠或者是數位資訊的提供不夠或交通的整合不夠佳這些都是打底的工作所以交通部要怎麼樣做應對這些部分我們要一塊一塊把它做好一塊一塊把它做好怎麼做呢 |
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但您特別在提醒就是說因為這個關稅站的陰霾之下陰影之下導致日韓跟東南亞客源市場衰退到目前為止我們看第一我們的訂房率影響並不大第二我們這個航空的這個訂票訂票率看起來也還好不過我認為未來可能會造成衝擊跟影響我們現在正在預作準備也跟委員會溝通 |
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國外旅客來台要補助 |
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對誘因要增加另外就是我們自己內部打底的部分我們該怎麼樣幫助我們的旅行社也好或者是飯店業也好這個部分我們也都會加強來努力好你的回答告訴我們政府是有在觀看目前的樣態當然目前關稅還在談判的這個排隊當中所以我們政府不管是中央政府地方政府大家都極力的 |
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必須要團結一起合作來應對這個事項那所以呢本身要請教您說秋冬的時候那你們預計在你們所研擬的這個方案什麼時候可以告訴給國人我們大概什麼時候目前來講我們 |
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跟委員報告一下部長也確實有要求我們應該要做好各種準備啦我們的部分我們是還要幾個方案在做調整所以一邊談判一邊預計有可能的變相那因為秋冬你總是要在秋之前要宣布啊 |
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要不然我們所有的這個觀光業者他要怎麼去應對所有的準備都要預先準備但是不見得要先告訴大家我覺得這兩個是一個方向包委員因為我們準備了假設啦我先假設說景氣下滑假設觀光景氣下滑 |
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那我們就會來宣布這些方案這個沒有問題但也有一個可能性是景氣並沒有下滑我們方案有準備了我們當然希望啊所以我們就像跟做水庫一樣一定要保障我國國內的觀光以及來台的人數要達到您所說的千萬人士的這個目標所以方案 |
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你現在說你們有準備我也希望你們把應對的一定要準備充足隨時什麼狀況就隨時可以提出那接下來我要跟你討論的一件事情也就是我們交通事故死亡的人數跟行人死亡人數當然現在我們歡喜看到它是下降的趨勢但是本期要跟你討論的是1到2月 |
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我們的兒少交通事故的死亡人數是比去年的同期增加50%這個我非常的緊張因為這個兒童及青少年我們理所當然應該要能夠得到保障 |
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所以如果是有漏洞就會產生衝擊到我們家庭的幸福跟安全當然本席要跟你討論的也就是說我們目前有開發交通安全教學輔導軟體但是結果它是 |
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這個數字讓我們是有一點心慌所以每一個生命都非常的寶貴我們要如何的在政策方面能夠去提升整個交通安全的一個意識跟行為請教 |
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報告委員在教育的層面我們5月1號會有一個新的軟體5月1號調整軟體上架那我們也會跟教育部門也就是教育部這邊來協調跟溝通看小學國中跟高中怎麼樣去接受這個軟體從根本觀念讓他們有清楚行為才能夠落實這個務必要去加強 |
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最後一個功課我給您也就是高速公路的統計我們1月份到3月份國道發生了36件火燒車的事件那甚至在3月13號發生了半連結車 |
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這個火燒車呢研製了長達造成11公里的嚴重回堵那我們可以看到這個問題我們必須要去謹慎之所以本期又看到3月底今年到3月底我們國大AI死亡的事故當中你們有做統計 |
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高達六成二的噪音是什麼呢是分心跟疲勞駕駛當然我們不希望這些事情的發生那麼交通部你們除了呼籲民眾自立之外你是不是因為這樣的嚴肅的議題你要怎麼樣有積極的防範措施來確保我們國道用人生命財產的一個安全請說明 |
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因為一件事情他會引導到11公里的一個回堵 |
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我們現在是很緊張的事情用那個駕駛人他沒有去注意他自己的車禍當然所以本席告訴你六成二的原因是分心跟疲勞駕駛那你明明知道這個原因我們政府要怎麼去應對我覺得這個你們本席認為你們要 |
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有所去討論要怎麼樣去應對不再讓它發生嘛你現在知道原因你當然要有方法我們現在也有這邊大部分都是大車的部分啦大車的部分我會跟那個你把你今天方案去研討然後給本席來 防止這些事件好不好好 那個鄭局長就提供書面資料給楊委員好不好好 謝謝謝謝楊崇英委員接下來請林業群委員執行 |
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麻煩我們的交通部部長交通部陳部長委員好部長午安部長想問一下你知道慢速運具有哪些慢速運具 |
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腳踏車或者是電扶車那我想我再問進一步再問說傷亡數據你有沒有掌握傷亡數據慢速的黃市長你這邊有沒有慢速的慢速運氣的傷亡或者是委員那邊有要不要直接說我們就來看 |
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看到這個數據你看光看三年的數據就呈現惡化的趨勢讓人家十分擔憂那整體來看到慢車的交通事故案件傷亡是持續全面的持續成長 |
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那腳踏腳踏車大概是成長1.1成6那微電車事實上是1成5那電動輔助車自行車事實上是3年內成長2成7可是我比較近期有一個議題很值得關注的就是我們在問你們滑板車的數據因為我們現在路上就很常看到滑板車那你跟我們講說是放在個人行動運具那如果講說放在個人行動運具的話現在也成長了3倍是多那就想問部長說 |
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那目前國內的電動滑板車的管理狀況是什麼而且你有沒有掌握而且舉凡行使的入權跟安全規範這些問題不知道部長知不知道請市長回答會比較快這個部分跟委員報告一下委員大概也知道說處罰條例上是修正已經把個人行動載具的部分已經放寬讓各地方政府可以依照它 |
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這個各地方政府交通的狀況或路段可以開放的部分去做開放那到目前的話確實也還沒有地方政府在做這個開放交通部應該很清楚現在在國內的那個電動滑板車雖然依法看起來有 |
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屬於交通規範中的個人行動器具寫是這樣寫定義上是慢車可是可惜的是因為法規跟環境的限制一個是入權很不清楚另外一個就是我們要來問的是因為我去問警政單位因為警政單位也在跟我反映那到底他要用什麼法如果針對這些新型運具的話 |
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而不知道要適用哪些法規所以想來問部長你認為警察如果遇到我們的電動滑板車違規的話要用69條還是32之1條 |
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這部分跟委員報告一下因為個人行動這個載具在這個處罰條例已經定義成慢車了所以他這個違規處罰的部分大概有兩個課題第一個部分如果地方政府沒有開放他上去的話那基本上就是違反這個不得上馬路的規定那另外一個部分他的交通違規行為如果說有違反一些相關的部分就乘乳腳踏車一樣基本上都是按照這個慢車的 |
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你現在講地方政府地方政府就覺得中央然後就兩邊就是會互踢皮球所以我說問你69條還是還是32支1條如果你講69條的話那就不知道那電動滑板車規格是什麼這各縣市政府有沒有去訂規格這69條講的說他自己訂規格啊然後行駛的路線是哪些如果你說講32條的話那我就覺得的確現在警方 |
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的確是用32條之一來開罰可是用32條之一開罰的話那就會講說滑板車他就不是個人行動那個運據囉那如果不是行動運據的話那我們前面講數據你們又說把滑板車的數據史上的數據歸在那個所謂的個人行動運救這我就覺得有點前後史上不太一致 |
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那當然我也再請部長是針對我們的電動滑板車的管理能不能做一下現在目前的規劃的狀況和進度是什麼我們會出一個指引會出一個指引已經請運營所正在做指引當中有了指引之後地方政府就比較好預許 |
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部長我覺得今天來看我們來看其他國家因為我認為台灣的管理措施都還相對的消極因為我們年齡定的最低然後呢數限定的相較於其他國家是比較寬的所以難怪我們的三網事實上是一直在成長而且成長到三倍我覺得這不是一個好事尤其剛剛前面那個央軍委員也在講的事實上阿薩羅的交通三網事實上是成長了50%所以這件事情應該 |
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部長應該要去考慮到如果國外有些好的措施為什麼沒有吸取別人的經驗呢那我們再來看歐洲那你剛剛講有指引我就不知道有沒有去對價到歐洲的一個狀況他們也知道電動滑板車事故率很高甚至他們現在有意要全面禁止那甚至他們去看到這種 |
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事實上是自行車的傷亡的七到十倍的時候他們指引做了些什麼事情呢也就是希望能夠第一個要求戴頭盔然後呢另外一個事實上禁止使用手機甚至提供駕駛訓練甚至明訂車體的規格跟路權都在做可是相對於我們現在目前我不知道說我們做的狀況是什麼我也會參考各國的這些案例跟他們的好的規範您剛剛所提到他們好的規範我們會在六月來出指引目前指引還沒出來我們目前會參考這個來出一個 |
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是我們再來看一下日本他是透過民間企業合作的方式在特定的區域先去試辦跟評估如果按照成效之後才訂定法規所以最後我就期待專部可不可以針對這兩點也就是積極跟地方政府延伸試辦計畫來啟動調查研究然後 |
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針對這種新興的一個慢速運劇一定要做因為我們自己去看其他國家像我們去美國他們也越來越多這個那台灣也是那第二就是檢討目前的規範執行跟我們的推動的情形來盡速研擬我們的慢速運劇後續的管理方式所以這個是不是可以兩週內給我相關的報告提供說明這個沒問題好 謝謝部長 |
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好謝謝我們林業勤委員接下來蘇清前委員蘇清前委員蘇清前委員不在現在葉延珠委員葉延珠委員執行麻煩請交通部長謝謝好交通部陳部長 |
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最近有發生一個郵輪的消費糾紛一個義大利籍的哥斯達郵輪因為有一些狀況所以滯留在納霸報休後來形成延誤除了該次的行程有延誤之外也影響到下一航班所以總共有7000人受影響但因為這個哥斯達後來 |
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後來他說他是根據全球營運規範只願意提供50塊到100塊美金的船上消費的抵用金 |
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那當然消費者不願意接受嘛因為好不容易排到了然後這個假期然後去然後遇到這個狀況結果業者只提供這個50到100塊美金報告委員目前已經是200塊美金對 一樣啦很多人還是不滿意那所以現在已經他們已經有讓去消保官那邊說要介入了 |
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但我現在是發現說這個郵輪的這樣一個消費糾紛糾紛其實是層出不窮因為像去年7月的時候同樣一個郵輪公司哥斯達他遇到凱米颱風嘛形成也是延誤三次那後來也是影響到很多消費者的權益那再往前推一點還有另外一家郵輪公司也有消費者跟我陳情他那時候是有機械故障然後在原地 |
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打轉失去動力在原地打轉但是這家船公司不承認他說沒有啦可是消費者就非常確定是有的當時航港局有回應這個事情但是拿著船公司的聲明來回應也沒有做調查 |
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然後我現在想要跟就不想討論這個機制因為為什麼其實你可以去看很多人很喜歡坐這種郵輪它幾乎都滿滿的為什麼呢因為很多郵輪都去日本台灣人特別喜歡去日本所以有去日本的航程通常都很容易滿第二個是有些人他就是喜歡坐郵輪他也許到了一個港口他也不見得下船他在船上可以做很多活動 |
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所以我認為這個航港局應該要有一個機制來保護我們消費者目前如果消費者遇到這個狀況大概只能三種情況第一個就是透過品保協會來申訴可是品保協會只能申訴旅行社 |
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旅行社通常就會說他只是代銷船叫他們自己去找船公司所以這也沒辦法第二就是透過消保官或是銷機會但實際上不然也很清楚透過消保官或銷機會如果協調不成最後還是要打官司那很多這種郵輪他都是外國籍的變成要打跨國官司那多半所有消費者他不會因為這一點損失他跑去打跨國官司因為打跨國官司是曠日廢食又要付出更多的成本所以 |
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有沒有可能這我提出一個建議啦你們可以來研議一下有沒有可能我們航港局或者是交通部針對至少是從台灣出發或者是以台灣為主要港口的這些郵輪公司可以建立一個評鑑機制如果他被申訴過多或者是說態度就比如我們消保官介入或消基會介入每一次他們都態度很高傲 |
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然後等等的一個評驗機制當然什麼項目交通部可以去規劃如果他評比比較不OK那至少我們可以是不是可以考慮比如說減少他在我們港口的停留的時間或什麼之類可以想到一個對應的方案出來那至少我認為未來有一個保障以後消費者如果遇到糾紛 |
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他不至於態度會這麼高仗著自己是外國籍然後仗著好像這個是一個賣方市場反正你不來還有還有別人要來我位子很滿啊我不見得要理你啊只要你們對不對我在想說交通部有沒有可能研議出這樣的基礎因為這個狀況越來越多了 |
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報告委員確實我們有發現這種消費上面的糾紛蠻多的所以我們針對他們定型化契約的部分怎麼樣針對這個消費者的權益的保障的部分我們會來做一個新的版本讓他未來對消費者的保障的程度會更好那其實台灣的這個消費者保護的機制還算蠻健全包含我們小保關介入也都會有效果這個部分我們會先做那您剛剛所建議這個平建機制我覺得也是蠻好的想法我們來討論看看看可不可以往這個方向去推動 |
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想回應喔第一個我們的定型化契約跟保護當然是做得很好可是問題是定型化契約還要再修要修得更好修得更好嘛業者不理你啦因為之前有一個消費者跟我我們如果有照那個契約基本上他不太可能不理你我就是有遇到陳其仁跟我這樣反應嘛結果到最後就叫他自己去打跨國官司啊那就放棄了 |
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所以你如果純粹靠那個定型化契約最後要走司法途徑的話實際上他的效果還是有限我認為如果公權力可以介入一個評鑑機制對他有一些不管是懲罰或要求其實可以達到比較好的效果好我說是不是航港局可以來研議一下這個我們來研究看看看看是不是我們訂一個期限因為我跟你講那個有人的問題一直層出不窮看看多久可以把這個大概構想提出來 |
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我們先研究看看 看怎麼樣做會比較完善沒關係 你說第一個期限嘛你研究完之後可以做不可以做 給個答案嘛我們三個月好不好我們三個月的時間來研議一下 好不好OK 好 好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝葉研知委員現在黃宏威委員黃宏威委員黃宏威委員不在現在請黃美惠委員執行 |
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交通部陳部長 |
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因為昨天我回到我之前的時間時間不夠所以我可以等到現在要來講解家裡市的建設應該保證知道我要跟你談到的就是我們家裡市有太保固體的到家裡市這條清潔在這裡面的時候我怎麼想就想不到 |
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在1999年 高通坡也有補助假日期的立法盤的前期規劃在1981年的9月 也有可行性評估的行程在1980年10月 也有立體道局補充的說明 |
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在1月初 市政府還有補充資料在82年1月初我們還有補助1290元的全市規劃的經費在83年6月初 市政府也有提報在83年1月初 市政府再修正在84年1月 |
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始終有債債債債債債債債債債債債債債債 |
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本縣也跟我們保庭也好 全保庭也討論過到現在是有什麼 |
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排解各類問題還是要我們地方要有議員 要有理論會簽署說要叫中央做什麼應該可以做到嗎不過我覺得這實在到底沒辦法做到目前為止加以一條清潔地方 |
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這樣市政府非常不滿意,覺得中央如果不打算請補充你回答一下?報告委員,中央對嘉義的清潔部分,我們支持喔!你是支持的喔!尤其是你在城市 |
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我們可行性評估,我們也補助一千兩百九十萬給嘉義市政府去做可行性評估我們會補助給他可行性評估的經費,怎麼可能說不支持所以現在嘉義市政府在說中央不支持,這是不對的你每天在立法院在接選的時候,不是只有對我、對政府、對議長,你每天都在講這個議題 |
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我們中央的態度當然我們也支持但現在問題是這樣在那個可行性評估裡面提出來的價位其他的內容可能大家還可以檢討但是有一部分 加起市政府一定要提出來就是中央跟地方 大家各出多少錢這是今天的分配這個部分 加起市政府沒有提出來加起市政府跟民政委員會希望中央專家來出錢 |
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這才是重點 政府我們就是說 這不可以中央出來中央一定要去跟議事分多項 不可以這項選舉要專家中央來做來補助 |
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這補充你說得有重點啦所以你知道問題出在哪裡嗎這是市政府的公法 但是我要跟委員報告但是中央的公法也不一樣啊全台灣國際的捷運或是輕軌都是中央出一些錢 地方出一些錢全台灣的規矩都一樣所以假期沒有可能規矩跟白人不一樣啊但是通常輕軌 |
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是我們全有補助的耶機場捷運那個改良沒工,那是為了基金喔,那改良沒工,那是基金的,為了國際的門面所以我們中央都要出,加上理事局沒工啊國地方的捷運系統跟清貴系統都是中央跟地方各自有出錢的比例 |
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因為在這個過程當中,我這陣子也來我們節目補充跟我們現在的補充說,要加以持,加加以關於這個建設、交通要提升起來,大家做好準備,要來推論,跟你也有做了,有做了,現在關於持都在說的時候,到底問題是怎樣? |
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只要地方能夠提出地方的金額的比例跟中央的金額的比例大家後續比較好走下去這個部分我希望嘉義市政府要趕快提出地方支出的比例是多少這樣現在就是中央不反對啦跟中央希望全額補助啦跟中央叫中央要上村 |
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看多這個的錢 像我們差不多17公里 要開370多個啦跟這要怎麼去補助 怎麼去省的時候 我也沒辦法跟我們家裡的市長 跟我們家裡所要做的家裡管得好大家做好準備 來圍住 關公圍住 |
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18620.328 |
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18634.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
等我們去外面吃透露的主題要回來給他一個方便回家的路可以嗎?可以啦 大家一起做回來泡麵這樣表示紅米粉是長久以來都遇到這條的溝通也都有在說不是完全不可能好 以上 |
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好謝謝我們王美惠委員接下來我們陳雅玲委員執行張雅玲對不起張雅玲張雅玲委員不曉得主席是不是心裡想著主播啦抱歉抱歉抱歉開個玩笑那麼有請部長謝謝我們交通部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
18681.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
18699.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
我想今天就是針對於我們的兒童安全交通安全來跟部長做一些討論就是說在1月的時候你有提到您特別關心兒少交通安全的問題所以呢你也有講到就是說兒少死亡數死亡數是比前一年同期增加三人啦增幅高達30%但是我想這應該是主要是有算到陽梅的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
18699.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
18714.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
孩子的部分嘛對不對不過你也有特別去強調一直在跟呼籲大眾去了解就是說我們一定要好好的做好這個安全座椅一定要戴好安全帽那你也有提到說很多的一些措施像是說你也有親自介紹這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
18716.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
18738.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
針對於中低年級生出的小朋友的交通安全保衛站線上郵寄以及即將已經推出的交通安全教育懶人包希望讓交通安全觀念更向下扎根那這邊我想請教部長兩個問題第一個就是說我看了一下我們這個交通教育懶人包的這個部分目前好像只有一萬多人來看過這一篇 |
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18748.374 |
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懶人包那同時呢我也看到說因為我們有一個保衛戰的遊戲嘛那到底線上參與的人數是多少啊參與的人數多少中低年級的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
18749.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
18776.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
我們可能要再跟後台的那個資訊軟體的系統上再去問這個部分我們目前可能還不知道那大概什麼時候我們可以知道呢我們就是可能看明天明天再把資料提供給委員明天就可以提供給委員那再來就是說因為也有提到說會透過教育系統讓更多的家長跟教師群組得到這個懶人包那我想問一下現在我們已經跟教育部來聯繫要怎麼做後續的推動了嗎 |
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報告委員這個兩個部分一個部分是這個您所說的這個懶人包的部分我們應該跟教育體系有聯繫了有聯繫也有拜託他們幫忙推廣那這個現在已經是推廣後了是嗎?因為我現在看到只有1萬多人目前我們有拜託他們幫忙推廣 |
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因為這個是低年級這個是只有中低年級那高年級的是我們下一波要做出來的那另外就是說我們運研所也有一個方案就是說我們在五月份還會有一個針對國小國中高中的一個交通安全的教育的軟體會出來那這個部分等到五月一號我們正式上線之後我們也會拜託教育部那邊協助針對國小跟國中跟高中的這個交通安全的教育可以用我們這套軟體可以引進 |
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18848.997 |
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好 因為其實我昨天跟台北市的家長會長他們在辦一個座談會那大家都非常在意這個交通安全的部分所以我覺得到底我們要如何的落實因為我們可能做了很多但是我從線上看到下載的次數可能也只有850幾次那這個部分有沒有可能也拜託委員因為有一些家長團體您非常的熟悉那我們這套軟體拜託委員幫我們串接一下大家可以幫忙推廣一下 |
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18849.377 |
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18868.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
同意但是我想我們可能還是要回到就是說我們目前的這個懶人包也好或是保衛戰也好因為都不是做第一次了那我們到底在這個過程之中有沒有更精進的一些檢討的做法呢我們目前是有安排嗎因為這也不是第一次做了嘛所以從上一次11年到113年這中間的差異是在哪裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
18868.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
18873.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
我們有跟教育單位進行五階段的教材今年我們會啟動一個檢討聽聽站在第一線的老師在使用這個教材在目前的內容上還沒有需要再檢討的我們現在正在規劃進行檢討的工作 |
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18893.882 |
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18911.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
好那這個就延續到我下一個問題就是說因為其實呢我相信這都跟兒童非常非常有關係我們是不是可以邀請兒童跟家長一起來檢討目前的一個手冊的內容或是活動的內容呢因為我想喔如果我們可以從兒童的角度來看的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
18912.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
18931.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
因為我都有一些字我都有點不是那麼確定小朋友真的懂嗎報告委員這部分您相當的專業所以我們下次再開檢討會議的時候再拜託委員辦公室可以提供一些名單給我們有哪些人可以邀請我們一起來討論因為我想我們還是要從兒童的語言啦才能夠更讓他們落實這件事情那再下一個問題就是說其實在111年 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
18933.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
18948.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
我們其實第二次國家兒童權利公約審查的時候呢有特別去強調說要把兒童表役權兒童參與的機制納入在我們的整個政府的體制之下但是呢在112年的時候兒少已經由兒少兒少代表他們其實說他們都可以參與啦可是常常參與的 |
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18950.288 |
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18964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
可能講沒幾句話就時間就可能就結束了就被否決了那所以基本上他們雖然參與了可是其實並沒有辦法對政策有實質的建言那所以這個部分呢有在六位的兒少呢依據了權力公約的第14號 |
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18965.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
18991.475 |
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一般性意見書以及我們的第91點的意見書裡面提到說我們應該要能夠去參與也希望說有五個部會可以成立兒權小組那交通部就是其中一個那可是呢我們針對於這個意見呢交通部的回應是說可以看綠色的字就是說依職權邀請與議題相關之團體列席那這個部分我知道的是目前找兒校團體 |
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19010.902 |
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但是還是沒有兒少代表那第二個部分就是說以公共政策網路參與平台目前呢我想這也是非常不適合兒少參與的一個機制所以目前還有第三個回應是說其實行政院有兒少推動小組那我也不需要跟部長報告在這個現場在這個開會的現場其實有非常多的題目 |
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| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
19028.438 |
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所以而且他是主動是由大家來提案的所以不一定會針對兒童的這個交通的部分來特別的討論所以我希望部長是不是可以研議我們來辦一個兒少的這個部級的一個那個諮詢小組 |
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19030.239 |
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我們是不是可以來研議這個做一個佈局的兒權小組我們過去其實是針對議題啦有適合的議題我們也會找兒少代表不是只有團體 兒少代表也是有過啦真的嗎 因為我們找到的資料好像只有兒權團體也有兒少代表嗎兒少代表也有過 也有過那未來委員在建議的這個我覺得相當的好我們針對整體的交通的議題我們是不是找兒少的代表大家一起來座談或者是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
我希望的是部長我們是不是可以把它變成是一個常態性的會議而不是可能只有針對議題上面常態性的會議常態性的一個就是一個兒權小組在交通部下面對那因為其實有非常多的議題可能都會跟兒童法有關係包含我們過去的一些交通的不管是我們的這個四年四百億的相關的這個部分我們來研議我們來研議這部分我們來研議好不好好謝謝沒問題謝謝委員好謝謝我們張雅玲委員現在請伍麗華委員執行 |
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19094.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
謝謝主席有請部長好交通部陳部長辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
19103.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
委員好部長好當原民會他的一個數據告訴我們在前幾年原住民的人口有50%以上已經移居到渡輝地區的時候這種大眾運輸工具對我們來講就很重要那我們有很多的族人每次要返鄉 |
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19125.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
19149.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
他就必須要透過各種不同的交通工具甚至是船飛機等等但是呢住在花東的他們的人口很多他們住在花蓮台東的原住民有17萬多那甚至是花東的整個人口呢有53萬多那這麼多的人尤其是原住民經常基於返鄉需求 |
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我現在要說的是當台鐵的車票漲價的時候我們就會很辛苦那我覺得西部他可能還有其他的交通工具可以用可是對花東來講 |
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19189.003 |
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南迴線來講他就是只有火車可以用所以對他的影響衝擊很大特別您要知道我們宜居都會區返鄉的時候不是我個人返鄉我要帶我的老公帶我的小孩帶阿公阿嬤就是一堆人一起返鄉那這個往返當中一天多個幾百塊那一個月不得了 |
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所以在這個部分我就是特別想要請教說有沒有可能沿你花東線甚至南回線這種被迫只能接受台鐵做交通工具的部長您怎麼看 |
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報告委員兩個部分我們來處理一個部分是說如果是他是花東的居民不管是不是原住民的身份我們都會提供一個比較彈性的票價給他就是一方面我們會用打折的方式那二方面像您剛剛所提到時常必須要往返那我們就會建議他也加入 |
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19224.909 |
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| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
台鐵的這個會員我們針對台鐵的常客的會員尤其是花東縣的部分我們會給更多的折扣也就是說兩個折扣加起來之後會對於居住在花東地區的民眾他們未來在返鄉的過程當中或者是時常要通勤的過程當中可以拿到比較優惠的票價那這個票價跟漲價的這個影響就會降低非常的多那我跟你說還有南迴縣的 |
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19253.116 |
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都會包含在內花東的部分都會包含在內因為您要知道假設我住在恆春很多人不見得會選擇坐高鐵再接過去 |
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他划不來 他也是很辛苦的 要這樣子繞一大圈所以我請部長 那個部分請你們也要研議進去好不好會會會好 謝謝部長那另外一個部分 我在今天的夜報有看到就是我們一直都很關心偏鄉的交通正義那這個部分有提到幸福巴士行之有年 |
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19296.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
最新的數據已經來到94.37%的涵蓋率確實我這幾年看到每一個鄉都很開心只要申請車子就有車子 申請郵費就有郵費每一個鄉都很開心 做得很好甚至我們117年說全部都要涵蓋到 |
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19310.683 |
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| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
那這個部分我覺得其實很好但是部長我還是要讓您了解一下其實像這種定點定限定時它即便開放可以跨鄉可以跨縣現在越改良越好但是始終有一個部分是大家比較不滿意的就是能不能到我家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
我要去急診我要去衛生我要從這個村到那個村我要去吃喜酒還是很辛苦還是很多人家裡沒有交通工具他必須要依賴但是外面的Uber他又叫不到因為Uber呢他回頭車他空車很貴他們也不想來 |
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19369.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
所以這個部分我還是希望說我們要繼續的納入來研議要不然呢這樣的一個美意它用不到為德不足啦但是我要講的就是有一個東西我剛進來上一屆立法院第一年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
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我有參與偏鄉白牌車合法化為什麼部長我要參加偏鄉白牌車合法化您要知道在我們的原鄉絕大部分的馬路路線是禁止甲乙類 |
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| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
19406.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
像前些年司馬庫斯有遊覽車翻覆就不適合甲乙類的客車所以呢我們要推動偏鄉旅遊這幾年我們其實蠻心痛的就是看到一家一家的外面的這些所謂的車行也好或者是這些租賃公司也好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
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都是他們的這些什麼七人座相行車一車一車到所以我們也很想啊所以我們後來呢希望來推偏鄉白牌車合法化 |
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19446.55 |
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推動幾年我跟部長說很多人說不好用啦沒有用啦他們到最後取得了那個之後成立了那個之後民間客運可能去接一些文件站的送餐可能參與幸福巴士2.0但是他們說難以養家糊口啊無利可圖啊他們多麼羨慕外面的租賃公司外面的車行他們到最後還是回去靠行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
所以如果能夠達成原來的美意我們輔導我們的偏鄉這些小型客車他能夠在原鄉能夠去載送學生能夠參與幸福巴士2.0能夠接送這些觀光客到新左營 |
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| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
19490.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
所以政府花的錢已經很多我的訴求其實很簡單我希望這個部分幫助他們把錢花在這個地方幫助他們建置APP建置網站怎麼輔導他們成立車隊像外面的租賃公司一樣讓他們能夠在地人服務在地人能夠讓他們能夠賺這一些外地客人的錢部長這樣可以嗎我們參考委員的建議我們來研議看要怎麼協助他們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
19515.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
好謝謝部長謝謝局長好謝謝我們吳立華委員現在請蔡宜宜委員執行好謝謝主席那我們是有請部長跟觀光署長好陳部長周署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
19522.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
19547.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
部長跟署長我想要請教就是環境部2023年公告的這個一次性的旅遊旅宿用品的限制使用那所以旅館業者在2025年也就是今年開始就是沒有提供一次性的比方說牙刷啦刮鬍刀甚至水都沒有提供了那你們聽到的聲音是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
19548.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
19571.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
當然網路上的話看到當然很多的民眾是不太習慣那不過我看環境部他們自己有做一個民調那支持的比例很像也沒有太低當然有些反對的人不過一般來說確實對民眾來說他在住飯店的過程當中他過去的習慣是有提供現在沒有提供對他來講會是一個小困擾是的市長部長我跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
19573.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
19588.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我們的台灣的一個觀光業的一個發展大家會多拿我們來比較會拿什麼國家大概是日本或者是或韓國因為現在很多人會到韓國去事實上韓國跟日本的旅館他們沒有在房間提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
19589.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
19607.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
沒有在房間提供他們在樓下的櫃檯有需要的人自己拿我覺得這也是一種另類的一個方式那這個方式至少讓大家覺得說對我們站在一個環保我們減塑減少塑膠用品的一個出發點這個出發點是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
19608.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
19631.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
但是畢竟你在經營這種觀光你有收一些小便民一些方便的東西如果是存在的話對於整個觀光的評價是好的因為我們不希望說台灣就說我們要發展我們的一個觀光產業那我們當然希望做到很多細節大家都覺得我們有夠貼心來這裡玩非常的舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
19632.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
19653.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
結果我光要買個洗臉的工具買個牙刷我可能要找好遠我要去附近找超商雖然台灣超商的密集度很多可是如果比較偏鄉的地方他是沒有的比較偏鄉的地方沒有所以就沒有提供如果他自己沒有帶的話就沒有這些用品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
19654.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
19664.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
所以我想這個政策的推動環境部出發點是好的但是站在我們交通部我們觀光署這個對我們的觀光真的好嗎確實這個我們觀光署也為了這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
19670.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
19692.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
這個政策啦的推動也相當的辛苦那目前我們也有跟所有的這個飯店業者的工協會也都有聯繫請他們盡量跟像委員剛剛建議的那個日本的模式是一樣的就是說在櫃台的部分我們可以免費讓大家來索取這樣子的一次性的這個備品那這個部分我們有有通令下去也有請工協會進來你們有通令嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
19693.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
19715.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
因為我接到的一些業者他告訴我說基本上也沒辦法允許這樣嘛提供一次性就是說在一個服務台服務台可以免費取用如果他自己刻意的去做特別精品的部分他是可以賣的對是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
19715.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
19738.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
當然啦 賣是換賣 我現在是說的是指我要取得這一些一次性的這一些備品的話這是服務項目的一部分嘛因為本來就希望能夠貼心的服務但是因為我們不主動提供所以是在服務台或是他在櫃台那邊附近是可以我們也鼓勵飯店業還是維持提供這樣的一個服務我覺得這個應該飯店業再溝通啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
19741.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
19766.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
跟飯店在溝通因為我們有時候站在台灣發展觀光的考量不能說我們政策怎樣我們就就是硬梆梆的就跟著政策走我們會盡量做到更落實啦我們在既然要做觀光就是要做到面面俱到嘛就是要做到說來晚的人覺得哇受到很尊榮的照顧很尊榮的享受這個我覺得以觀光產業我們這一點真的再檢討一下好不好謝謝謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
19768.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
19789.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
好 謝謝我們蔡易瑜委員王一鳴委員 王一鳴委員 王一鳴委員不在羅明財委員 羅明財委員 羅明財委員不在邱志維委員 邱志維委員 邱志維委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員執行好 我們請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
19800.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
19827.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
交通部部長好交通部部陳部長委員好部長好部長我特別要來去跟部長反映就是說我們上次質詢完後針對公關列車到我們西部到我們嘉義鄉親們的反應非常好那這個部分我也希望跟台鐵來表示說鄉親們對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
19830.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
19847.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
計畫的支持也希望說台鐵能夠全力來去推動這個套裝行程其實不管是我們鄉親我們還接到蠻多電話那還有一些記者也是對這個計畫非常的有興趣是不是可以請部長未來幫我們加強這部分的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
19848.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
19875.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
希望輸出台鐵一定要幫我們嘉義委員上次質詢也已經有進度了太好了那這個部分我們應該未來也會盡量讓嘉義縣市因為畢竟嘉義縣的觀光資源相當的多那如果可以結合台鐵的觀光鐵道的活動的話我認為是加成的效果這個部分其實觀光署也會努力來推動不只是台鐵的部分應該連森林鐵道的部分我們也會一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
19876.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
19903.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
就是從平原區的大嶺民雄他過去的這種你說創生的計畫也好結合他們的歷史的這些文基古蹟那還有我們最新的其實包含大嶺有一些城堡區這些產業加上文創等等的如果能夠把他們納入在台鐵的套裝形成裡面的話會有非常大的助益那這部分還是希望台鐵能夠如果一有什麼進度可不可以跟我們辦公室來去知會一下好 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
19904.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
19927.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
這個再麻煩 因為這個反應是真的很好我很少看到有這麼多鄉親會主動來致電告訴我們這些對的政策那這是第一個部分那第二個部分我還是要再反映就是剛才蔡委員提到的在飯店的這個旅宿的時候現場拜託交談小聲一點因為我們陳委員在執行好不好謝謝趙委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
19929.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
19956.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
謝謝召集委員那我們再次再強調剛才蔡委員講的其實是蠻有道理的就是說比方說我們去其他國家來去旅遊的時候那我們露出他們的飯店那依照行程或者是依照他的這個套裝的行程的不同可能會有不同不同類型的飯店通常他們都會提供最基本的這些衛浴洗漱用品 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
19956.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
19982.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
那我是希望說當然在環境我們對環保政策也非常重視但是兩鄉權衡的時候外國旅客他們對於交通上面整個飯店設施裡面的最基本的要求其實還是需要做到我發覺到說我們有些時候都會走比較極端的路線那看到我聽到一些日籍的旅客跟我們說奇怪他們入住一些台灣的五星級飯店結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
19984.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
20009.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
沒有牙刷牙膏那他們也覺得說這樣對觀光一定有必然的加分嗎我想這是一個問題啦那我們當然還是希望有鼓勵啊鼓勵環保政策但是基本的備品還是希望可以跟蔡委員剛才的這個說法一樣還是會希望說呃旅宿業者能夠提供齁在這個櫃台齁不主動提供但是如果有人索取的時候他應該要提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
20010.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
20036.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
對這個是我們希望能夠做到的那再來就是針對國際海欄的部分那今年年初我們有跟這個部長質詢到說中華電信有沒有加入等等那現在我們在官網當中看到中華電信是被標記為Chinese Taipei那是在C的序列而非慣例的T的序列我當然知道這個部分是可能一些國際上面有一些潛力但是我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
20037.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
20050.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
我們的潛力都是以T為主還是希望能夠在民意上面能夠全力替台灣爭取我們應有的國際地位不知道這可不可以請部長去解讀這個我們是不是請中華電信也自己看有沒有機會可以爭取啦對於我們這邊來講當然也是支持這樣的說法謝謝 謝謝我們最後一題就是針對這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
20055.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
20082.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
中國灰色地帶干擾海運的部分那我們兩岸從2008年就有簽訂海峽兩岸海運協議那這個協議裡面我方已經開放13個港口那陸方開放55個海港和17個河港總共是72個港口那我們擔心說如果中國片面或變相干擾這個海運的協議的直航安排或者是中國特定的港口航線那我們有沒有實際演練有沒有做好一些民間的溝通機制等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
20084.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
20110.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
這個部分我們跟各部會其實都有討論那實際的演練應該請局長因為時間已經過了所以我也不好意思耽誤大家的時間那是不是給我們書面來跟我們簡單的報告一下這個沒問題那包含就是像是中國對立陶宛他們等國在外交政策的時候他有延遲清關增加檢疫程序刪除航班時段等等這些麻煩都把這些演練的狀況跟我們講一下好沒問題謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
20112.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
20138.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
好 謝謝陳冠廷委員鄭振前委員 鄭振前委員 鄭振前委員不在習新穎委員 習新穎委員 習新穎委員不在李博義委員 李博義委員 李博義委員不在林楚英委員 林楚英委員 林楚英委員不在黃國昌委員 黃國昌委員 黃國昌委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
20141.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
20164.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
好 以上登記執行委員經已發言完畢做以下決定一 報告及執行答詢完畢本會遊浩委員 林益菁委員 邱志維委員首提書面執行列入紀錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
20165.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
20183.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
委員以執行中要求提供相關書面資料或未答詢之部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆本日會議結束在這裡特別謝謝我們陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
20185.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
20196.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
跟所有的跟次長跟各位列席的官員跟我們記者朋友所以現在休息明天繼續開會謝謝 謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
20202.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
20203.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
20223.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
20225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
20245.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
20245.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
這也趕快掛線了 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
20270.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
20272.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
嗯嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
20288.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
20295.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
那是你面對的 阿姆你懂一些教訓給阿姆聽 你還想說OK 我不去 我就先上去給阿姆聽阿姆聽 我就先上去 |