| IVOD_ID |
165925 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165925 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T13:41:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T13:50:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c19b2469abef919411ba7bab90aa47d9996b85b67e8a2bbb386e20a296e7f2f0315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:41:31 - 13:50:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、財政部及環境部就「蘇丹紅化學原料竄臺，政府如何強化進口把關及後市場查驗，以維護國人健康安全」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部部長、司法院、法務部、勞動部及內政部警政署就「國內醫師、護理人力需求及分布暨防止醫療暴力措施及改善情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
(討論事項)
審查
一、委員柯志恩等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員林月琴等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員王育敏等16人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員顏寬恒等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員萬美玲等16人擬具「醫療法第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員邱若華等17人擬具「醫療法第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員陳菁徽等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員魯明哲等18人擬具「醫療法第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員林淑芬等25人擬具「醫療法增訂第一百條之一條文草案」案。
十二、委員盧縣一等16人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
【第十四案，如經復議，則不予審查】【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答，討論事項僅詢答】） |
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主席謝謝麻煩請我們衛福部時部長跟官務署的蔣主秘請主秘 |
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紅委員好部長我想就直接針對今天的議題因為蘇丹紅的這個事件那我想再釐清跟確認一下當然很多委員都已經講過但是因為大家都很關心啦就是說到底這一家公司這個所謂的這個易紅公司他是進口蘇丹紅的原料是不是不是不是他是進口一種色素對那色素裡面參蘇丹紅對對對 |
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是不是所以他在報關的時候他也沒有報蘇丹紅沒有報蘇丹紅所以說我們的關稅署也不知道也沒有辦法就有這個記錄嘛對不對好那但是如果說他進口這個色素那色素裡面有蘇丹紅那我們現在有看到的這個狀況是說我們這一個公司他在過去從今年至少是今年有幾批 |
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我們這一次查的主要是這三批裡面有參蘇丹紅對但這三批裡面我想確認因為第一批是在今年一月那他第一批今年一月都還有留下他的原物料是可以讓我們做查驗因為他會留第一個是他自己的原料另外他會留下他下游廠商所以說你也把下游的廠商做出來的這些化妝品也好或是說相關的產品也好來去抽驗所以說才驗出來對才會有20個品項是 |
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所以那這樣子部長我看了因為我剛剛看了一下我們的這個衛福部跟財政部的一個報告之後發覺這就是一個漏洞啊就變成是說我們如果說這樣子的一個情況他報沒有報這個可是他裡面參查有這個那這樣子防不勝防啊 |
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未來可以怎麼樣更加強這個就是不誠實的廠商根本就不是在報蘇丹紅他是報植物性的著色劑所以他提供的他的檢驗的數據跟報告書也是假的所以我們才會積極的請高檢介入現在地檢你偵辦 |
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把這樣事實跟犯罪的行為能夠確實具體的確定下來要重罰本席認為如果說有違法甚至說知情不報甚至是知法犯法的廠商惡意的廠商要重罰但本席要講的是說針對這樣的一個事件那就我們要更超前嘛因為其實我覺得 |
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民眾在這幾年從食品到現在化妝品對於蘇丹紅這個事件已經被困擾了很久那如果說依照這個個案的話我剛剛看了一下這個報告後面是防不勝防啊我們除了是說有這個所謂的吹哨者以外我們很難知道是說他的這個原料因為連這個義宏公司他下游廠商他也都宣稱說他根本不知道裡面是參達蘇丹紅是不是 |
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這邊跟委員報告一下因為這個原因所以我們針對原料的部分如何去做跨部門的那先前幾位委員都提醒我們我們也會積極的辦理召委也特別有提到針對這個原料的管理的部分我們會再做進一步的跨部會的一些協調 |
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那另外在講到就是化妝品的部分因為您剛有特別提到是說做成產品之後它還是可以抽驗也會找出這個不法的原料那所以我們現在在講就是說因為之前是食品食品有所謂的這個抽查那在化妝品的部分那如果說未來我們針對譬如說唇部的產品 |
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口紅這一種或說比較有可能的這種參雜的會不會要比較更以抽查或是更以檢驗跟委員報告就是確實因為在化妝品他的原料是比較多元他那個譬如說這一次這個是濁色劑濁色劑不見得是只做化妝品他會用在其他工業上也會用那只是我們是不允許這一種 |
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含有蘇丹紅的放進這個化妝品裡面去所以這個我們會做法上我們目前的管理就是以製程的監控所以我們一直在推這個GMP讓這個化妝品的製程有優良作業規範 GMP然後後端有後市場的抽驗那過去我們抽驗 |
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大概比較著重在重金屬反腐劑或者是像生菌素比較著重在這一個我現在講的就是抽菸就是主動抽菸的部分我們有在做尤其是針對化妝品白白腫但是針對這種比較 |
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譬如說人體攝入 譬如說比較鮮豔的或是說人體攝入比較有可能的像譬如說包括說唇膏對他就比較容易攝那這樣子一個產品是不是應該要有我們會加強去這一方面的因為以前沒有發生過啦現在知道了之後我們就會去抽驗這個部分好所以說這相關的辦法未來會什麼時候把它可以確定下來 |
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應該很快就這邊跟委員報告其實陸陸續續我們對於跟基層的地方衛生局連基其實近年來都有6000多次拼灌的有1000多次那我們現在網路架構也有1000多次我現在問的是剛剛部長講的承諾是說未來針對這個部分我們立刻已經在規劃了所以我們後續的規劃會跟委員這邊做進一步的報告好所以規劃什麼時候會出來這是本時間的問題 |
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對我們會用最快速度我們這一兩個禮拜應該就可以就積極的來去能夠去查查好兩個禮拜本席跟我們社會大眾看那還有剛剛部長你有提到一個就是主要是這個化妝品的這個登錄制你也希望是說他們有主動的來登錄來去做這個製程的相關嘛那我想請教啊因為現在是採取登錄制啊那目前採訪譬如說有一些這種 |
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違規的一個事項到目前為止我們裁罰案件有多少如果是我們例行性後市場驗的我們有裁罰啦大概幾個%那我現在講是說你剛剛講的是後市場是檢驗出來嘛那我們現在是要求邀請這一些廠商他來去做登記嘛 |
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那登記之後 我們也認為說他既然敢登記他應該就比較不會違反嘛那現在登記 然後我們有譬如說有裁罰或是說有抓出來有多少我們從去年統計到現在啦去年7月到現在大概抓到沒有登錄的大概30幾件 32件32件 這樣比例算高嗎 |
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因為我們的產品很多很多確實有22萬種所以跟委員特別報告我們剛才先前已經有答應兩個禮拜內讓所有的產品來登錄給你時間登錄如果這個時間內都沒有完成登錄我們絕對是查查所以也歡迎所有的民眾 |
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兩個禮拜內如果沒有登錄的會優先去查查對是不是是的就用這樣的方式來鼓勵大家你願意大家一起來配合嘛那我們最重要的是大家願意配合就代表說你應該是一個合法的廠商你也要用的是合法跟合規的原料以及製程嘛是不是 |
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委員這邊提到的這樣的登錄制度現在其實在國際的化妝品組織ICCR裡面不管是美日 佳 台我們通通都是用同樣的規格在管所以這樣的管理如果在中間在原料部分我們覺得我們應該要更提升在後市場部分的登錄部分我們會更加強的是 因為其實我覺得這一次的重點就只有一個就是說以往我們沒有想到會有這樣的一個做法它進口不是 |
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他是進口的植物著色劑但是裡面參有蘇丹紅違法的一個物品而導致於說他去使用那他到底是不是有他是有意的這樣進口然後來去讓這些下游廠商都在使用那這是算是一個新型態的一個做法那我們當然是要做超前部署跟防堵好不好 |
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我們大概這個廠商應該是惡意的因為我們電出他的濃度很高我完全不認為說他是善意啦所以說我也認為是說該重罰就重罰好不好重罰廠商讓這些廠商知道是說我們的態度跟標準來嚇阻下一次有可能的任何犯行好嗎我們完全按照這個原則來辦理謝謝委員謝謝洪偉 謝謝部長 |