| IVOD_ID |
165921 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165921 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T12:59:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T13:07:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c1c3be6b58fcb523d4ace2a84e35b138026b85b67e8a2bbb381257d1c12132fb9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:59:39 - 13:07:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查或處理「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算(114年度)」及「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算」決議：
一、有關中央研究院預算凍結書面報告案1案。
二、有關國立故宮博物院預算凍結書面報告案4案。
三、有關國家發展委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
四、有關行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
五、有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
六、有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
七、有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
八、有關經濟部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
九、有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案10案。
十、有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
十一、有關文化部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十二、有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
十三、有關國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十四、有關考試院主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十五、有關外交部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十六、有關大陸委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
【11月26日及27日上午二天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩我先請速發部衛福部跟教育部教育部已經先回去了他們已經解凍了那我們請這個速發部還有衛福部好 來委員好部長跟我們次長嘛好 這個本席今天要問的就是之前我在我們交通委員會的時候有質詢過我們交通部部長速發部部長 |
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就是說現在我們到底國內煙品合法合法的煙品有辦法哪些次長我們先回答一下好不好目前煙品合法的煙品煙品一般的紫煙還有加熱煙紫煙跟加熱煙對…但即便是紫煙加熱煙它是合法可以在國內販售但它也不可能在網路上購買是…也沒有辦法在網路上購買對…因為它會有年齡的限制是…好 那電子煙呢 |
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電子菸現在是禁止的禁止的 對好 可是我們之前也請同仁大家也都查過如果說要查Google打電子菸三個字其實它比想像中要取得還要容易我們有盡量就是說跟這個有注意到這個問題因為這個議題我覺得很多的國小 國中的家長也跟本席一直在反映也認為是說這是一個不管是漏洞 不管是缺口不管是惡習 |
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那但是這是絕對沒有辦法允許嘛尤其是我們看到說電子菸為什麼你們之前允許加熱菸不允許電子菸最主要的原因是因為電子菸它裡面的精 焦油 毒品 氾濫甚至會造成毒品濫用的一個狀況但沒想到Google你打電子菸都還是可以搜尋得到那些官方網站而且現在官方網站有一些可能有開始有遮蔽但是還是有一些實體的店面它會跳出來 |
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是 那反而這樣子的狀況是讓大家覺得是我們止煙加熱煙結果我還要去查身份證件我還不能有穿制服的學生去購買因為便利商店通路都還要擔起這樣的一個責任但沒想到不合法電子煙反而是暢通無語啊不用檢查身份證件那我那時候問過速發部說那你能不能跟相關社群媒體平台來溝通他說沒有辦法 |
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我們目前其實應該是說有跟這個就是說如果有人我們也會用keyword來search那如果有發現的話我們會請這個就是網站的所有人請他們在一定的時間把他下線我覺得最簡單的因為這個議題已經討論了為什麼今天會在這邊我想利用這個跨部會就是讓幾個部會選為什麼會想教育部因為教育部他有認為是說這個問題很嚴峻 |
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為什麼國小 國中 高中現在吸食電子菸 吸食加熱菸的比例越來越增加甚至毒品國外研究也有講是說電子菸也好 加熱菸也好它可能就會是進入毒品的第一個階段 |
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最好大家都不應該抽菸但是如果說有的話應該合法以及非法部分要區分清楚那國內現在是合法是止菸跟加熱菸那電子菸沒有可是你再去查一下那相關還有更重要的是Google很簡單嘛 |
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最大宗大家搜尋Google大家搜尋幾個這個大型的拍賣網站那這一些網站其實照理講早就應該要有建立管道啦應該是那些網站要來協助我們來做一個遮蔽而不是我們再來去搜尋這關鍵字我覺得有些時候我們公務員很我也為大家來感到抱屈跟同情啦 |
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答辯是我們多做很多工作人家廣告關鍵字可以排在前面是為什麼他搜尋是付錢的那我們反而是要幫他把關但照理講那些東西是違法的他就不應該出現在搜尋網站上面不應該出現在拍賣網站上面 |
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我们事实上也有跟这个电商这边有沟通过那他们的说法是说因为这个是这是别人放上别人的网站他们只是去连结而已对所以这个部分所以我们是要求他们就说一旦我们有发现的话必须要在一定的时限把它下架 |
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如果沒有下架我們就會遮蔽所以我現在講說不是我們有發現他才應該要下架而應該是他主動就不應該上架他有技術 他有法僱 他有賺錢結果怎麼會是我們的人要去幫忙我們就講嘛槍枝在我們台灣算不算合法的商品 |
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不算吧除了特殊的原住民等等的部分槍枝我們台灣沒有開放那我們有可能Google搜尋搜尋到槍枝買賣嗎不可能嘛那如果說非法的東西在網站上面不可能搜尋到拍賣的話那怎麼會電子菸可以搜尋得到而且上面還有什麼買千送百很多口味任君挑選 |
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那這些不是變成是我們不是那些社群媒體平台我們不是那些搜尋網站的SEIHAN啊蘇發部長是技術上絕對沒有問題吧看什麼樣的技術啦你如果當然要屏蔽譬如說電子煙的keyword的話那我們今天所有質詢這個也搜尋不到啦 |
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新聞跟商品可以這樣子開玩笑嗎不是 部長你這樣回答太輕夫了如果說你要這樣講的話那就變成是說連衛福部衛福部的電子驗的宣導都看不到但不是嘛本席現在從頭到尾講的就是那一些販賣的網站嘛我們同仁有沒有看過有沒有跟我們部長講過不要那麼天高黃地遠不要那麼做冷氣房好嗎 |
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有沒有看過那 還笑好笑嗎委員因為你之前一直講說要用關鍵字屏蔽那我現在又講的就是說我很認真的講 關鍵字屏蔽實在是必須做到很精準本席講的是怎麼會出現他們的拍賣網站怎麼會出現他們的官方網站如果說他的官方網站可以占到搜尋第一頁那就是有問題了嘛不是嗎 |
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你不認為這問題很嚴重是不是這問題很嚴重 是 昭偉謝謝你就是因為這個問題很嚴重我相信昭偉一定也被學校的家長們提過為什麼我們的小孩可以輕易的拿到結果一個速發部講這種話我都還肯定剛剛衛福部次長的時間有限 請速發部再給你一個詳細的說明 |
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因為短短的時間技術做得到不要互推皮球該遮蔽要遮蔽要看什麼樣的技術我們絕對會負責林部長再跟紅衛員說明一下因為時間很短組織單位是衛福部但是我希望是速發部能夠積極認識來協助衛福部溝通把這樣的一個遮蔽做好 |
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好 謝謝洪委員接下來我們請省發會委員省發會委員 |