| IVOD_ID |
165892 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165892 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T11:41:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T11:51:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c1a3ba038a86c2de1c23d8a9895dd800e979564efc6fe1044b0b9eb3eab13885965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:41:20 - 11:51:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查土地法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等22人擬具「土地法第十四條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員傅崐萁等 17 人擬具「土地法第一百九十五條條文修正草案」案。(三)委員賴士葆等 27 人擬具「土地法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。(四)委員陳超明等 16人擬具「土地法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。二、審查原住民身分法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(四)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「原住民身分法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)委員高金素梅等17人擬具「原住民身分法刪除第十一條條文草案」案。(六)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(七)委員黃仁等19人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(八)委員黃仁等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。【原住民身分法第(七)及第(八)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】【11月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
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委員好市長我們針對這個土地法還有今天相關的租賃市場租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例我們這個 |
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租赁法第6条已经明文排除了土地法第97条的适用那现在如果说立法院有通过土地法的修正案假设通过了修正案增加了今天可能要讨论的就是我们今天讨论的法条的续约权还有涨幅限制那如果这种情况的话是不是会有冲突 |
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跟委員報告基本上土地法因為涉及的它是土地的基本法我們在這裡所涉及的修法就會牽涉到許多相關的土地跟所有的房屋等等的影響所以我們還是會比較建議就是說回到租賃專法裡面去修 |
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土地法當初我們修租賃專法就是希望將租賃這件事情做一個明確的說明土地法是一個我們所謂的基本法在基本法裡面做了太多細節的規範的時候事實上會讓在第一線的執行者他會無所適從 |
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所以我们会比较建议就是说我们通过租赁专法你们就是执行行政单位啊你们为什么不把一些土地法里面或者是现在民众非常需要的一些保障权益的直接写在所谓的租赁专法里面呢 |
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有我们现在正在修法当中正在修那有时间期程吗因为这个问题已经一直存在整个的这个租屋市场了吗对跟委员报告我们也非常感谢大会在那个上个礼拜召开公听会所以我们现在就是将各方的意见抽起那刚才委员也有都有垂询所以我们希望尽快跟行政院 |
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通报之后是不是看能够在这个会期送到立院来这边这个会期好加油行政院这边如果同意的话那我们接着再讨论一个点就是说放在这个租赁专法里面是不是还有一个好处就是说我们可以在租赁专法里面定一些罚则 |
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如果违规的时候我们行政单位他就可以直接处罚这样是不是比较有嚇阻效果也比较有效益对跟委员报告我们目前的修法方向里面特别针对所谓的不良房东跟不良房客的相关的行为我们是有提高罚则那也给予也希望说透过跟司法院的协商赋予一定的强制性那这样子才能够让主任双方有一个完整的保障 |
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这个是非常重要的那我们也希望说到时候如果我们有机会把法案提到大会大院来那希望大院能够给予我们很多的支持好那你们既然现在正在研理嘛那我们也要针对几个概念来跟次长这边来讨论就是说有关强制续约权这个对保障房客也非常重要可是魔鬼藏在细节里啊 |
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如果房东收回自住他可以不续约可是实务上你如何确认房东是真的自住还是假收回增长价 |
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这个我们在研拟租赁条例的部分其实也有考虑到这个问题所以我们的部分不是一定要求自住我们是收回来自用那它包括的部分是可以给亲友用或是另外再行出租那我们的管制机制给亲友用还有它可以自住也可以自住 |
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他可以再出租啊不可以就绝对不能出租所以我们的部分的话会跟现在赖委员所提的版本一样是一年内不能再出租否则就会有罚折的问题 |
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對 因為我們也常發現 譬如說在大安區這個的房東他就說他要兒子要住 他收回了結果過不久 結果上網看到他又在591 然後呢還租金漲了20%這一塊 這個我們了解我們知道每一個大安區的房東都有一個兒子在國外讀書 |
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那如果我们推动这个续约权那这个配套我们是不是有针对吹哨者条款还有检举奖金这一块有没有这个部分因为我们在平均地权条例本来就有一些检举奖金的机制那如果这个相关的一个续约权的部分如果有一些像收回支出那些限制的部分当然我们也可以思考把它纳到 |
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那個吹哨者條款裡面檢舉獎金的制度裡面來做一個處理好那剛剛說一年內不得出租嘛那我問你誰來監督你怎麼知道他沒有人看他也許悄悄的他還是做了但沒有人知道你等著吹哨者有些沒有吹哨者怎麼辦你們有沒有想到這一個點你怎麼去反制 |
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当然第一个部分的话当然是透过民众自己的一个检举那第二个部分我们也会透过一些契约的查核或是内部的一些资料的勾结来看可不可以发现这些状况对你说的内部资料的勾结太重要了我们希望在执行面我们内政部一定要强力的推动租赁实价登录 |
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这个系统要给它发挥功能因为只要租赁实价登录它能够等于大家从数字从系统上我们就可以看出来只要没有它绝对它就是一个黑数然后我们就掌握不到这一块有没有想到怎么样来落实 |
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我们目前就是说有关包租贷款的部分是一定强制要登录啦那再来就是说我们也公布只有包租贷款嘛那我们有公布相关还有仲介业者的也都要公布那私人的就没有另外我们就是透过租金补贴的部分我们定期会公布相关的租金的统计区间这样子 |
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那我们透过这样的方式让大家知道说我们的房租合理价格是多少比方说以大台北地区我们讲台大周边来讲台大周边的房租我们现在是在讲一年内不得出租那你要怎么抓到其实他没有吹哨者的话他搞不好 |
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6个月8个月他就出租了那如果有落实这种登录系统我们从系统现在不管电脑本身的这种自动查核甚至未来AI他都可以那但是重点就难就难在包租代管有实价登录但是很多私人的没有其实私人的这个租屋也很大量 |
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這一塊有沒有想過怎麼來落實我們再來研議看如何打這個機制強化你們法案送來說這個也會是一個很重要的點好不好好最後我們還有這個租金的漲幅限制因為我們在提案中有看到鎖死CPI所謂的消費者物價指數 |
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可是如果这种城乡差距比较大的情况下我们如果硬性规定涨幅不能超过CPI你们现在行政单位的看法是要锁死在不能超过CPI吗你们目前的思维是怎么样我们目前所推出的法案的修正注定条例的修正我们基本上也是follow CPI为主这样子 |
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那我本席要建议一下因为城乡差距大我们硬性规定这个涨幅不能超过CPI那有些偏乡的老房子可能它维修就是维修的成本成本就高于整个的涨幅所以房东会不会就干脆摆烂不修 |
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那所以是不是可以学习德国德国的经验就是我们给一个倍数可能CPI的1.5倍作为缓冲这个弹性是不是可以在修法的时候考量进去 |
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报告委员其实也有遇到我们有思考到这个问题就是有关于房屋的重新装修或是设备的更新的部分所以我们现在租金涨幅的限制是搭配租期那我们租期现在是设定三年所以租期三年最短租期三年到了之后房东其实就可以去做一个整修在租金的部分它也可以是它的一个装修的状况成本的状况 |
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再去做一个合理的调整对对他合理的调整你你的法案你的那个修法内容如果是锁死在CPI那CPI你没给一个弹性你是不是可以CPI是指续约的时候他的三年内我们租期三年因为我们现在他是常租所以在租期三年内如果你是一年一千 |
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你每一年可以涨的幅度最高不能超过CPI大概是2到3%那你三年租期结束你要签订新约的时候或者是你换了新的房客那当然你就是重新反应这样子因为你要重新装修房子当然也是等房客走了才重新装修你也不太可能房客在里面的时候装修所以我们是考量到合理的状况我们再来做处理 |
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可以参考一下德国的好不好很多法令是死的但我们如果有一些弹性可能在执行上会好的我们地震师的同仁都收集各国相关的资料我们会参考也谢谢委员的提醒谢谢辛苦了谢谢谢谢 |