| IVOD_ID |
165891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165891 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T11:31:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T11:41:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c15d0c0a388eabc6a223d8a9895dd800e979564efc6fe1044bb4e186dc6bcc04005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:13 - 11:41:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查土地法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等22人擬具「土地法第十四條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員傅崐萁等 17 人擬具「土地法第一百九十五條條文修正草案」案。(三)委員賴士葆等 27 人擬具「土地法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。(四)委員陳超明等 16人擬具「土地法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。二、審查原住民身分法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(四)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「原住民身分法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)委員高金素梅等17人擬具「原住民身分法刪除第十一條條文草案」案。(六)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(七)委員黃仁等19人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(八)委員黃仁等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。【原住民身分法第(七)及第(八)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】【11月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
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主席郭委員有請這個閆明慧還有內政部次長請董事長還有董事長副主委兩位好首先先談內政部這個土地法土地法是在民國19年就制定公佈民國25年3月1號施行 |
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所以那時候還沒有中華民國憲法所以我們從這樣子來看所以這個土地法確實是需要去修正尤其是這個第14條還有這個後面的這個第25條這個是一個很重要的一個前提尤其是這個中央法規標準法也制定了 |
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然后后来相关的行政程序法也制定了所以现在这个土地法14条这个海岸一定限度内就不明确不明确而且变成现在全部都用什么原则啊程序啊来去决定啊是这样的一个问题所以必须要回到现行的 |
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其他的还明确的法例现在还明确的法例是什么呢像水利法83条就很明确寻常洪水位而不是什么一定限度内水利法83条就很清楚寻常洪水位才可以不得私有所以这个一定要去修了民国二十几年的法例 |
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是不是所以我才會提出這個修正的一個條文這是一個部分另外很重要的就是憲法我剛有講土地法是民國二十幾年定的憲法是民國三十幾年公布施行的對不對憲法規定很清楚啊由憲立法並執行之包含了憲財產之經營及處分 |
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對不對寫得很清楚憲法所以呢這個相關的土地法第25條還在寫還要經過行政院核准就違反憲法明確的現有的財產他只要經過縣議會市議會民意機關的同意就可以了 |
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這個相關的地方制度法也都有規定所以這個部分如果我們從這個來去看的話就應該要去支持這個現在原住民我們的陳超明立委跟本席共同提案的這個第25條可以嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員做說明首先委員所提案的有地法第14條的修正案的部分有關於第一款第一項第一款至第四款的部分其實我們主要的重點是在國有地那國有地也如同委員所說的事實上它有相關的目的事業主管機關的法令包括水利法包括海岸管理法等等 |
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所以我們不是無限制的授權地方行政或者授權行政機關所謂一定限度其實還是要依法行政那麼我們所依循的法就是海岸管理法跟水利法所以與剛才委員所說的其實是市長 |
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我们在我们的执行细则我们在我们的执行细则里面其实就有明确的规范这件事情了所以其实委员所担心的事情呢我们事实上在执行细则里面有明确的规范而且我们在实务上操作上面也如同委员所指示的就是说我们是依据海岸管理法水利法等目的事业主管机关他们的法令的规范去执行那个次长你回去再好好看水利法83条规定不得施用 |
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但是他現在82條沒有規定沒有規定不得私有但是他把82條的就依你的土地法14條來去做解釋所以這個部分你回去好好在那個討論好好去看好接下來我們請那個因為時間的關係就是延命會那個次長就請回座這個條文字都有細數的很清楚 |
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好这个我们先回到这个原住民身份法这个原住民身份法很重要的我们看宪判制第17号114年的这个宪法判决已经很清楚的原住民身份法第二条规定是违反以宪法 |
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保障原住民族文化等一直有为所以是已经是身份法第二条是违宪的所以平埔原住民的部分我们立法院也通过了平埔原住民族群身份法所以呢现在平埔原住民族群身份法第八条也规定而且规定的就是说这个我看我们的第五条的 |
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这个第8条的第1项的第1款有特别提到以日治时期复集资料内有首评或其他属于证明的写得很清楚而且他还增加了第2第3很宽非常宽所以我们是希望说第1个原住民身份法第2条既然已经是违宪的 |
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然后平埔族群的也立了一个新的法例所以回到平地原住民的部分平地原住民的部分就应该还是要修正不然的话他还是违宪的所以这个平地原住民的条文必须要跟山地原住民的部分要一样所以呢为了要更明确的话我们就参考这个刚才这个我谈的那个 |
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平埔原住民族群身份法的文字的方式系数的方式就山地原住民就增加日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番或高杀族者而平地原住民呢也是针对名定为日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番还有眉毛的眉还有高杀族 |
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所以這個部分這個部分這個這個移民會這個不足以要談還是要雅博所用好跟委員報告啦那個剛提到那個違憲的那個身份法第二條他事實上是規範不足並沒有失效 |
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那委員提的這個相關的建議因為我們之前看到的只是說要拿掉那個戶籍所在地的登記那那個部分會影響非常大的層面會變成跟平埔族群身份法跟這個會混同在一起那未來在執行上又很大困難那委員現在提的這個部分日治時期什麼深翻美或高砂族者這個可以來 |
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認定為平地原住民這部分我們需要再一點再給我們一點時間研議看看有他的整個影響面跟他評估他最後會是什麼樣的一個情況再來做一個再來做一個決定好基本上是沒有問題原住民現在的原住民身份法民國九十年開始施行的就是本席在當處長的時候跟亞伯水用他當科研的時候我們離出來的送到立法院三讀通過的 |
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然後另外就是這個第七條也是一樣第七條這個可以增加在修正動議增加這個第二項會更明確會更符合這個我們原住民有很多當時沒有登記的能夠彌補他 其實這個人數不會很多頂多是增加幾十個而已所以這個部分要請原民會能夠支持 |
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因為修這個以後事實上陳入委員講說可能只有幾十個但是我們自己這樣的判斷可能不會是這麼少數那這個到底他的母數會是什麼樣的情況我們也需要評估那當然 |
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委員是希望說都能夠取得因為他還有一個不管不是血鹽血鹽上還有一個是認同的部分我想這部分也要一併考慮我們會針對委員提案的部分認同的部分就是寒蝦第二條到第四條因為很多時候認同還是會有很多時候你隔了好幾代以後事實上跟部落的連結都會有一些差異都包含認同好不好那委員這個我們會再來研議或再給委員報告 |
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可以嗎OK沒有問題謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝鄭天才委員的發言接下來我們請何欣淳委員發言何欣淳委員何欣淳 |