| IVOD_ID |
16587 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16587 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第3次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第3次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T10:36:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T11:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:32:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第3次全院委員會會議（事由：審查「警察人員人事條例」第三十五條條文覆議案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:30 - 11:09:00 |
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現在我們繼續開全委委員會我們現在請秘書長報告出席人數報告全委委員會出席委員六三年已足法定人數我們現在開會本次全委委員會是議程一上午院會所通過附議案審查時曾之決定辦理我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第三會期第二次全院委員會議事錄 |
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宣讀立法院第十一屆第三會議及第二次全院委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百四點三月十一日上午九十一分至十二十八分下午二十三十分至三十三十五分三月十二日上午九十至十一時五十九分下午二十三十一分至三十五十一分地點本業一場出席委員張委員嘉峻等一百十二人 |
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列席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等三四連主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第一次全院委員會議事錄決定確定討論事項第一案至第四案決議提報院會以記名投票表決宣讀完畢報告全院委員會我們針對第三會期第二次會議的議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定 |
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第三會期第二次全院委員會議事錄確定報告全院委員會 |
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一朝上午院會的決定以上兩岸全院委員會審查時不邀請行政院院長說明由國民黨團推派一位民進黨黨團推派一位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位每位發言五分鐘現在請各黨團推派之代表發言首先我們請張祺凱委員發言吳思堯委員請準備 |
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我們現在 對不起 更正補宣讀一下我們現在進行討論四項請議事人員一併宣讀討論四項第一案及第二案討論四項第一案行政委行為本院三讀通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文其中第35條第一項第四款含附表3第二項第三項及第六項條文經研議卻屬治案難行依憲法增修條文第三條第二項第二款規定以請本院負議案 |
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第二案 總統府秘書長韓維本院通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文 咨請總統公佈案經行見面研議 以其中第三十五條第一項第四款 含附表三第二項第三項及第六項 確屬治安難行以依憲法徵收條文第三條第二項第二款規定 存奉總統合格 以請本院復議案宣讀完畢我們現在請張綺凱委員發言 吳思堯委員請準備 |
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現在警消人員正在守護我們的安全他們現在在救台灣在救我們所有台灣的人民 |
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我們台灣民眾黨曾經做了兩次大型的民調清楚顯示絕大部分的民眾都贊成不要再繼續民進黨推動的大砍井銷的退休年金要適度的提高這是台灣共識 |
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不分年齡層跨世代的支持跨越了所有的教育跟年齡層這是台灣共識可是民進黨沒有把警消的辛勞放在心裡你們到底是多看不起對警消人員到底有多少的意見啊這次 |
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警察人員人事條例的修正在今年1月4號就已經三讀通過了可是民進黨冒著可能違憲的這個餘力一直偷不送到總統府公告竟然還提了復議案選擇跟民意對撞民進黨的心裡眼裡根本就沒有我們警消人員全系部部長還抹黑說 |
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我們退休的警消人員有八成領的錢比那個常務次長退下來還多這根本就是造謠實際的真相是超過一千位可能找不到一位可以領到像常事那樣的錢結果台灣民眾黨跟國民黨砍掉 |
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全新部部長的這個特別費要他更正道歉到現在都沒有明確的道歉也沒有更正老柯柯總召還說警消如果組工會啊就會罷工就導致中共來攻打台灣 |
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等一下民進黨的代表幹事長吳子雅會上台請你們給我們解釋清楚為什麼全西部誤導你民進黨現在還一直在某些造謠說退休的警消人員可以領到像常務司長那麼多的錢還有我們的柯總召為什麼沒紅沒紅警消人員組的工會就導致中共侵台啦你們NU到底有沒有警消人員因為把他們放在心上 |
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台灣民眾黨做的民調清清楚楚超過七成以上的民眾都支持這次的警察人員人事條例這個修正七成以上的民眾全部都贊成特別是年輕的族群20到29歲呀 七成三支持30到39歲 超過八成喔40到49歲 也接近七成三從各個教育培去看 也全部都是支持的 |
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因為大家都很知道很清楚我們的警消人員是非常辛苦的他們的工作非常的危險工作時間又長壓力又大事實上根據統計警消人員的平均餘命比我們一般人少了5到10年內政部的統計2017年到2021年這6年 |
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警察因公殉職的就有47位因公受傷的4837位消防兄弟們消防署的這個統計我們的打火兄弟最近這10年就有28位不幸殉職了不幸殉職了結果民進黨今天公祭明天就忘記 |
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像這次的這個修法不只是台灣的共識也是因為台灣最近這幾年的財政變好了106年民進黨推動大砍景蕭的推銷年金的時候我們的財政有些問題犧牲了我們的景蕭兄弟們可是最近這幾年我們財政變好了財政年年超出民進黨沒有看到 |
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財政超說了看到退府基金這幾年投資效率增加了嗎為什麼要繼續霸凌驚欺惑我們的警消人員呢所以我們鄭重的呼籲請給我們的警消人員應該有的保障不是給多高只是希望他們在工作的時候是有尊嚴的退休是有保障的請民進黨不要再霸凌警消人員 謝謝 |
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謝謝張啟凱委員發言我們接下來請吳思瑤委員發言吳宗憲委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁大家辛苦了剛剛民眾黨代表張其凱委員講到台灣共識什麼是台灣共識藍白當家的國會反改革反進步不公不義回來了世代不正義回來了這才是現在的台灣共識 |
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容我要提醒如果怕罷免就支持復议案怕罷免就支持年轻人怕罷免就请支持年金改革国难是什么不是国民党一再炒作的川普关税的冲击真正的国难是台湾的在野党并不忠诚要搞垮国家 |
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如果說世代正義退府制度年金永續比較不好懂那我們就來講錢絕對讓國人很有感藍白當家的立法院搞倒國家敗光國家是現在進行式我們來算一算財化法搬走3753億總預算砍了2076億還沒算個準凍結1608億 |
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加上朱立倫說要紓困舊股市至少要花兩千億還有要普發現金兩千三百億大家算一算加上今天的年改法案如果再被強行通過複議案被封殺了將造成國庫更無以數計的支出計算機跌跌的 算盤跌跌的 |
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藍白62席立委上任一年多就已經敗光國家至少一兆兩千億如果再加上很多的錢坑肉桶法案至少是三兆起跳以為國家是楷子把國庫當作政治的提款機嗎 |
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在座的各位想一想这一届的立法院就说这一年好了2025年立法院通过了什么扶国立民的民生法案了吗没有但是你们联手否决了限诉法的复议案瘫痪宪法法庭你们否决了选罢法的复议案没收人民的罢免权 |
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總預算的時候你們現在說趕快來解凍要挽救總預算最好的方式是當時來支持總預算的復議案但你們依舊聯手封殺現在還說省下的預算可以來救股市 |
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國民黨可以讓死人復活去聯署但是立法院沒有辦法拿被刪掉的預算再挪用再支用藍白的委員到底是笨還是壞呢我也要說今天的反年改的法案附議如果被封殺造成了國庫千億以上的支出可以拿你們每年砍總預算來彌補補回嗎也不可能 |
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很遺憾今天行政院沒有辦法來這裡報告也沒有機會上台備詢直球對決容我再一次向國人報告警察人員人事條例摯愛難行的幾個重點第一個 |
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違憲違憲違憲大幅增加政府的財政支出違反財政紀律更違反憲法權利分立原則違反憲法的平等原則第二你們破壞了退府制度的公平性是擴大不平等造成世代不正義 |
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第三如果今天不一樣被封殺了警察人員原是條例將警消的所得替代率提高到八成新增政府的支出668億退府基金會提早至少兩年破產還有 |
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把所得替代率提高到八成那麼會加速讓員警提早退休形成台灣的警力中空把治安搞壞搞爛你們藍白可以負責嗎我也要負責我也要來闢謠一下張祺凱委員 |
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照顧警消要優先照顧現役的警消人員需要提高在職的警消人員的各類津貼補助保險福利民進黨做的比國民黨多太多了而不是拿錢去補貼退休警察的待遇這是找錯解方我也要闢謠年改 |
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並沒有違反憲法的信賴保護原則大法官早已經在781、782、783號的三號解釋文都說年改是合憲的所以各位朋友 |
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跟年輕人站在一起跟世代正義站在一起我再說一次如果怕罷免請投下支持復議案的贊成票支持年輕世代支持台灣的年輕永續請勇敢地按下贊成票謝謝 |
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謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請吳宗憲委員發言主席 各位立委同仁 各位國人 大家早安我想我們這一次就法案主要提出是希望能夠保障警察 消防 海巡 移民跟空勤同仁的退休生活因為這些人長期就處在一個高危險 高壓的工作環境 |
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那政府說這樣對其他的公務員不公平但是我在這邊跟各位報告以警察同仁來說因公傷殘每年高達700多人那前兩年更逼近900多人過去七年我們警消因公殉職的84人而全國軍公教因公殉職是229人所以公警消就佔了 |
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軍公教 英工殉職人數的三分之一以上那更不要講說分母有非常大的差距比例上也有非常大的差距那這些數字其實很可怕因為每一個數字它代表的就是一個家庭 |
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1594.846 |
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1620.82 |
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就像我之前說過我當年在當檢察官的時候因為帶隊搜索曾經被歹毒開過槍雙方開了六十幾槍我爸爸吃早餐的時候看新聞看到他非常的生氣但他生氣的不是我去工作他生氣的是說如果我被打到的話那我們的這個家庭怎麼辦那其實這個心情就是警察、消防、海巡、空勤這些人他們家屬的心情我想我能夠真的非常能夠的體會還有 |
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1622.361 |
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1632.332 |
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夏天的季節颱風季節快到了那颱風的時候當我們在家避難可是這些人卻要在外面停休的在執勤所以當人民面對天災人禍的時候 |
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1634.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1659.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這些警消是往人們逃難的方向去接近這些危險去用生命來保護我們的國人那政府本來應該就要對他們獻上最高的敬意怎麼可以說在需要他們的時候把他們護來換去不需要他們的時候又不把他們當一回事拋諸腦後這個都不對而且警察的平均死亡年齡是75歲消防弟兄是62歲平均不到70歲 |
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1660.97 |
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1681.071 |
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那跟國人的平均壽命81歲相比其實差距到10年之多這是因為他們數十年的辛勞日夜顛倒甚至他們都在最危險的地方所以導致他們的健康惡化那跟固定上班的公務員怎麼能夠比呢所以我們當然認為他們跟固定上班的公務員狀況是不太一樣 |
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1682.833 |
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1698.966 |
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其實剛剛吳孝文說的沒有錯大法官確實在釋字裡面有提到信賴保護的部分但是解讀似乎又還有一點差距因為大法官雖然說大法官其實他的說法是說這些公務員 |
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1699.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1724.765 |
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的年金是有信賴保護原則的保障必要但是如果因為公益的需求這時候信賴保護是加以限縮的所以當國家財政發生問題有危難的時候我相信所有的警消海巡空勤這些人以及所有的國人都願意共體時間但是呢我們現在看到的是國家拿了史上最高的總預算 |
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1725.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1743.051 |
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國家拿到了史上最高的超收稅額結果在這個沒有任何公益需求的情況下卻拿這個釋字出來這個其實是完全誤解大法官會議的解釋大法官是說有公益需求的時候才不受信賴保護 |
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1744.091 |
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1768.57 |
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今天沒有公益需求我們當然要給他們當年同意給他們的退休制度更何況一個負責任的政府看看我們鄰近的國家大家在做的是提高現職的勞工公務員的薪水提高社會新鮮人的起薪大家在做的這個事情而不是把所有的人摳摳在一起去鬥退休的人員 |
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1769.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1794.932 |
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政府沒有能力提高限職人員的薪水就叫限職的人去鬥退休的人這個是不對的更何況一年只增加20億可是我們台電的錯誤能源政策國家錯誤的能源政策讓台電這兩年已經撥補了從賺錢變成我們他需要賠了4000多億所以這個錢跟我們能夠讓景蕭能夠安穩的退休其實是有一個很大的差距 |
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1796.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1816.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
再來總統這幾年說警察打詐不利但我要跟各位報告我是辦刑事案件出身的打詐真正該管的是政府行政機關你敢不敢對Google開罰敢不敢對Meta開罰而不是說你完全不做前端的行政控管然後就罵後面的警察 |
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1817.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1839.699 |
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打仗不利最後我們要感謝傾瀟海巡 移民組 空巡 同仁這些人用生命 用青春 犧牲健康來維護這個社會安全所以就像我們用自己的安危在保護這個社會一樣我們希望當他們用生命熱愛這個國家的時候國家千萬不要忘了他們 |
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1846.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1873.174 |
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謝謝吳宗憲委員的發言報告全院委員會各黨團推派代表的委員均已發言完畢行政院所提出的復議案我們已經審查完畢我們現在做以下決議提報院會以記名投票表決向全院委員會報告依照上午的院會決定全院委員會審查完畢同日改開院會進行復議案記名投票表決 |
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1874.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1893.577 |
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我們定在本日上午11點15分改開院會請各位委員屆時出席院會進行附議案之記名投票表決本次全院委員會進行到此為止現在全院委員會散會 |