| IVOD_ID |
165860 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165860 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T10:56:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T11:12:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c15ca546a39261d9048c2d387819de61c279564efc6fe1044b563cb0ca640d278f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:04 - 11:12:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部部長李洋列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月26日及27日兩天一次會】） |
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好 部長好 部長本期先感謝運動部跟國訓中心專案報告諮詢後的確有立即的去協調讓亞運的電競項目順利的定案目前全部的參賽項目包括我們後面要追蹤追加的這個比賽項目都已經確認OK |
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並預計下月初要公告明年1月正式啟動培訓這就是選手最需要的一個進度本席肯定回應的速度但是也希望後續能夠繼續維持這樣子的一個效率讓選手能夠安心的備戰然而在單一賽事的一個行政協調 |
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只是短期的工作我們現在要來談談討是整個長期電競好我們的一個發展台灣的電競制度這樣子的一個道路上啊人許多有這樣子的結構問題需要部裡能夠真正的重視整個行政院裡面所有的部會首長我看來只有你一個人會玩英雄聯盟對吧 |
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跟委員報告我有玩我不確定其他部長們有沒有玩我不相信卓榮泰會玩我不相信林佳龍會玩傳說對決英雄聯盟我不相信顧立雄會玩所以我只相信你會玩那你會玩你就要好好的重視電競好不好我們今天可以嚴肅但是呢放輕鬆好不好 |
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根据2025年全球电竞的市场报告电竞市场规模预估到2029年将达63.6亿美元年复合成长率达到20.5%电竞已经从娱乐延伸到结合科技文化运动精神的一个跨产业的一个整个领域 |
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各國紛紛都將電競納入到政策國家數位戰略的裡面台灣的電競發展走得非常的快走得非常的早我們是亞洲最早發展電競國家的之一我們從現在的星海爭霸冠軍 |
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到亞運銀牌選手都是推動台灣電競制度化專業化的關鍵人物有他們才讓我們知道我們應該要重視2008年成立了TESL2010年職業聯賽我們登上電視轉播2012年我們還有TPA英雄聯盟奪下世界冠軍這些里程碑都證明台灣擁有深厚的基礎 |
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然而我們的國際競爭力到現在我們擁有這麼好的一個開場我們出登板這麼的榮耀到了2017年我們電子競技正式納入運動產業發展條例主管機關明確的歸屬在教育部體育署 |
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就是现在的运动部但是现在我们看到我们应该站在电竞迈向制度化起点但是纳入管理八年了教育看不到我们整个教育部的重视产业反而陷入了自生自灭的困境去年英雄联盟世界赛的时候就有媒体问我 |
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我當時比喻台灣電競已經住進了家務病房我要鄭重道歉我講太快了不是家務病房是安寧病房安寧病房 |
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為什麼我會這樣說選手靠熱情在支持啊戰隊在靠募資在生存啊比賽只能靠企業在贊助啊國家呢國家呢國家呢國家缺乏了長期的藍圖穩定的預算跟跨部會的整合機制啊導致整個產業在整個全球的競爭當中沒有隊友沒有靠山 |
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才會迫使整個電競走進了安寧病房反觀韓國日本韓國能培育出年收入上億的選手我去韓國那個Faker到處都他的廣告日本能靠政府協助打通產業教育運動而台灣的選手呢要自己找場地要自己募金費打比賽 |
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我們的電競產業發展幾乎完全仰賴民間自生自滅所以今年國際奧委會也宣布2027年要舉辦第一屆他原本宣布啦但是近期傳出沙烏地阿拉伯談判方有破局但無論如何我先問你一句話回答我你覺得電競會不會納入奧運 |
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未來有可能會納入奧運這個可能你覺得1到100%有多高目前他已經納入亞運那我認為他到奧運的機會也非常之高我認為99%所以我們納管了8年耶未來一定會有奧運項目是電競我們在等什麼等他正式納入奧運才要來支持這項運動嗎我們這是一個極為重要的戰略契機 |
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電競走向國際競技的一個體系這是遲早的事情但是但是為什麼我會這麼的激動今天我翻閱本次送到立法院的運動部業務報告裡面發現整份報告裡面沒有任何關於電競的佈局部長我對你真的是非常的期待 |
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所以為什麼開場我就講你是會在部會首長裡面數一數二會玩英雄聯盟的這不是一句話而已這代表的是一個年輕代表是一個活力代表的是你懂電競所以我希望你要給運動部更多的活水 |
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今天我只看到這份報告裡面把它納入了新興運動但是這新興運動裡面的定義內文寫著尚未獲國際奧會認可的運動寫這個 |
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是在安慰自己因為我沒有規劃是因為他還沒認可嗎我覺得大可不必因為他一定會被認定為未來奧運的項目之一就是電競台灣的孩子在國際的發光一定會有機會 |
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不用五年不用十年我們的孩子現在早就已經被世界看到了但是我們的政府卻沒有做這些選手的靠山所以我看到沒有規劃牛部到現在完全沒有跟上國際的趨勢我要問部長 |
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電競納管8年了從以前的體育署到現在的運動部你認為運動部在人才培育選手管理以及賽事認證國家代表隊的制度的面向具體的制度要怎麼改革成果 |
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跟委員報告那這部分在電競這一塊那在新極限運動那我也非常認同委員您說的後續電競是否會納入奧運的項目那我們也非常期待那在電競這一塊在我上任之後我也積極的與電競協會去做後續的規劃以及藍圖 |
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您在專案報告之前其實我們就已經有與協會的秘書長去做後續關於培訓以及未來的來部長我要的是具體的啦你先答應我一個很簡單的固定跟電競的相關產業來做一個與會可以嗎做得到嗎我親自你就算跟電競開會的時候你問他英雄聯盟怎麼玩我都沒意見可以我跟選手在一起 |
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多吸收他們的想法多吸收他們該給你的一些困境這你做得到嗎做得到撥一個小時的時間跟他們語談跟他們吃個便當我不用什麼非常好的一個佈景 |
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餐廳我只希望你花一個小時固定聽聽他們的心聲我也希望運動部是否願意啟動電子競技長城的發展計畫研擬電競產業的白皮書作為我國推動的藍圖這可以嗎電競的白皮書這個部分可能我講真的啦部長只要願意做 |
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我必須講一個比較粗俗的話跟所有在座的各位分享網路影片曾經說過不要害怕你做出來的產品像一坨大便 |
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你聽得懂這句話嗎不要害怕你做出來的成品像一坨大便它也會成為你未來成功的養分但是如果你連做出一份產品出奇的東西成果你都不願意做 |
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這沒辦法在成功道路上成為養分官委員報告我們會來努力我沒有要你做出白皮書100分但是我願意看著你 陪著你我們一起努力做出這第一份的白皮書我們慢慢來修正你願不願意做官委員報告我們會來努力謝謝你我希望這一份魄力這一份決心我們真的要認真電競跟大家報告 |
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電腦三個月就換一輪就新的來了電競已經八年了我們沒辦法再用年去等待電競產業的一個進步 |
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每一分每一秒我們的孩子都會輸在國際的這些浪潮之下一分一秒的浪費就是讓台灣讓中華民國沒辦法再被世界看到所以拜託大家請運動部針對本席的建議包括研擬電競產業的白皮書盡力的去跟行政院來爭取跨部會的推動平台兩週內可不可以給我一個 |
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研擬書具體的方案資料兩週內委員可以一個月嗎好一個月 |
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好 謝謝委員原理方案不是說一個月給我白皮書啦我們都是願意陪伴合理性的去要求好不好謝謝委員另外我要再講的是救生員的檢定制度公辦的成效不彰是不是應該全面的檢討調整本席探討救生員的制度109年體育署也就是現在的運動部改裁全面公辦檢定 |
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政府多年來投入相對的經費行政量能但整個整體的效能並沒有如預期今年暑假為例公辦的泳池反應救生員招募困難出現班表排不出來人力補不上淺線欠刑的制度就發生問題你沒有救生員要怎麼營運所以我已進一步查監察院資料2023年 |
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報告明確指出救生員的人力供給逐年下降檢定的制度訓練實際需求產生落差部長你有沒有掌握這個資訊跟委員報告那我們確實全民署這邊有了解到這個部分還是由他來好請說謝謝 |
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謝謝委員我大概兩天前有邀那個相關游泳池產業工會的代表到辦公室來討論了一下目前他們針對公辦檢定還有其實目前是雙軌然後只要有就是私人的要辦理自辦檢定的部分我們現在也跟他們討論有一些困難的問題我們會協助幫他們來做一個克服應該要協助真的要認真去這個我們都有掌握現場的一些訊息然後我們一個一個來克服我想我跟部長講一下 |
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簡定的內容仍以泳池體能為主啦難以反映開放水域的實際救援風險復訓制度過度的著重在體能門檻資深的救生員不易留任簡定流程行政的設計缺乏彈性普遍學員都說反映真的很不方便 |
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所以訓練機構這個部分許多訓練的學員完成以後跨縣市要報名公辦場次增加時間經濟成本最重要薪資偏低責任又大所以人力當然會出現問題所以綜合監察院的調查地方政府反映訓練機構的意見以及五年來公辦檢定的實際運作本席認為救生員制度必須全面檢討所以我要這一次拜託部長 |
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109年公辦上路前受認可的救生訓練機構在接訓後即可原地辦理檢定由主管機關派員監督流程相對的簡化變明也可以讓學員在體能最佳時完成檢驗但公辦上路以後場次有限流程固定反而造成訓練檢定被迫分離我想請問一下部長怎麼看待這樣子的一個制度落差 |
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我覺得這部分跟委員報告那我們後續會做一個全面性的盤整跟規劃檢討什麼時候可以給我資料一個月 |
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委員可以兩個月內嗎好我剛心裡也在想大概是兩個月謝謝委員有志一同那我想現行的公辦制度在人力的調整行政的成本便利銜接我覺得有沒有達到預先原先的預期看起來是沒有就一定要去慢慢的做調整也不要慢了因為現在人力真的已經差蠻多的所以 |
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这一定流失不是单一因素我们希望现行制度的养成职业存在断层的时候我们应该要认真的去做整个内部的盘点请听训练补助复训职涯进修能力的认证让资深的救生员工作权的保障 |
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這個部分我要真的要拜託提出全體具體的一個全面改善方案讓願意的人留得住做得久最後我也要再講救生員普遍反映執法依法在執行救援的時候實務上仍需面對後續的調查 |
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甚至在溺水爭議的事件中也成為了被告造成第一線相當大的壓力也影響年輕人投入本席建議運動部要跨部會研擬結合法務部等相關部會確立更明確的程序指引法律協助制度減輕第一線在相關程序上法律的一個困難這做得到嗎有 我們會去與跨部會去做合作你覺得我講有道理嗎 |
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973.816 |
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委員就是我們要解決他們的問題對啊 才會有人願意做啊不然最後大家都不做你就會有更多問題好不好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝 |