| IVOD_ID |
16586 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16586 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T08:30:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T17:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:17:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6096446c7078ec4428499e01fa654b137934af80a8cb003b9ba7bc8ae2cbd38983e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:29 - 17:48:00 |
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好 抱怨會現在我們進行國際論壇每位委員發言三分鐘首先我們請林倩琦委員發言張志仁委員請準備 |
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經貿破口轉守為攻 從32%關稅的韌性重構院長 福音同仁 媒體朋友 大家好近期美國對我們科徵高達32%的對等性關稅已經超越單一貿易的糾紛層次雖然這相關的關稅在4月10日暫停 |
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但也反映出台湾当时当前在经贸战略上的一个高度脆弱性及过度集中的风险从产业面来讲汽车零组件电子产品中下游的供应链对台湾出口型的经济已经造成了整个的压力所以我们可以看到台湾在全球经贸秩序当中的脆弱因为我们对单一市场过度依赖 |
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課徵高額關稅也壓縮了我們在美國市場的競爭力帶動成本效益也進一步影響了就業跟投資的意願更值得關注的是這一次事件背後所釋放出來的國際訊息是美國雖然在強調自由貿易與經貿合作但是在同時也針對我國採取這麼重的一個關稅的措施可以看得出來即使是長期的貿易夥伴 |
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也難保在利益衝突下不受波及因此我們在全球供應鏈與區域的安全的角色上日趨重要的同時如果沒有辦法透過制度化的機制來強化經貿保障面對國際風險時就很難以自處因此我們需要檢討跟調整的是台灣對貿 |
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1899.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1899.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
第二 |
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1920.083 |
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1935.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
我們目前沒有能夠加入的這個重要的經濟體系如CPTPP還有IPEF等等政府應該提出更具體的推進路線圖跟談判的戰略增強我們在國際貿易體系中的制度性保障 |
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1936.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1958.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
產業面的部分我們要強化製造業的附加價值跟高階技術含量推動智慧製造綠色供應鏈等轉型的工具降低原材料型產品對出口的依賴提升市場波動能力的因應整合財政研發能力資源支持中小企業在提升國際競爭力方面的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1959.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1976.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
另外這個事件也反映出台灣在經濟外交上的制度斷層在缺乏正式邦交與雙邊貿易協議的情況下台灣的企業容易淪為國際談判缺席者無法取得有效的防禦機制政府應該更積極爭取與主要貿易國的雙邊與多邊談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1978.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2005.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
並加強產業的溝通能力與協調能力快速因應國際趨勢的變化我們應該藉此機會來重新思考臺灣的經貿安全與產業布局的整體戰略謝謝謝謝林建琦委員發言接下來請張志倫委員發言麥玉珍委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2019.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2023.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
院長 各位同仁 各位媒體朋友 大家早安 大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2024.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2051.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
經歷了五次院會的停擺今天終於有機會參加國事論壇本席也在此呼籲民進黨不要再惡意杯葛議事能妥善處理行政院所提的復議案以及專案報告本次警察人員人事條例的修法不僅是對警察、消防、海巡及移民機關人員進一步的保障更是還他們一個公道 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2052.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2074.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
行政院自卓內閣以來,加上本次復議案,已是卓院長任內提出的第七件復議案。卓院長不斷地把國會通過的法案一再復議,當兒戲班不斷用不理性的方式來踐踏國會,如今更要剝奪讓錦囂退休後能安身立命的機會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2075.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2104.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
本席認為年金改革應該在政府誠信與財政安全間取得平衡不能為達到改革目的就抹殺警察、消防、海巡及移民機關等公務人員對國家的付出與努力由於他們的工作特殊其因因公殉職、死亡、傷殘人數就各類公務人員中佔比最高屬於高危勞性職的職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2105.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2123.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
尤其是警消人員的工作性質不但是隨機待命生活作息也不正常往往面對高壓力高勞力又要隨機應變的狀況常常是冒著生命危險在執勤工作以警察為例十年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2124.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2151.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
全台的警力上有8萬人如今只剩下7萬人力不足執勤卻一再增加社會對警察的需求與期待不斷增高然而政府給予警察的保障與支持卻遠遠不足根據統計警察在職死亡的平均年齡不到50歲這個數字清楚地顯示警察是高度風險的職業 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2153.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2182.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
他們是一人殞命就代表整個家庭的經濟支出倒下與破碎政府不能給予他們足夠的生活保障嗎因此 無論是薪資待遇 福利保障還是執勤裝備的安全措施都應該有進一步的提升政府應重新檢視本次修法的真正目的真正站在第一線人員的立場給予他們應有的尊重與保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2183.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2205.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
因此本席也會持續努力繼續為警察、消防、海巡及移民機關等人員在薪資、福利、執行安全及撫恤各方面爭取更多的權益謝謝謝謝張志倫委員發言接下來請蔓越真委員發言翁曉琳委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2221.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2251.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
院長各位親愛的家人大家早安台灣未來主人翁的父母即將被賴政府趕出家門家庭破碎我們的阿母為台灣默默的付出已經超過30年因為賴政府創造兩岸關係的仇恨拿平民百姓來開刀重新住民一隻腳踏進台灣就遵守法律相夫教子 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2251.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2270.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
养儿育女缴税纳保30年认真为这个土地付出青春与辛劳却收到移民署的公文要三个月内补交上市沿国籍的公书证 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2271.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2296.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
公證書所以呢這樣子撤銷戶籍移居留席可讓我們50萬的新二代情何以堪民進黨口口聲聲說要依法行政結果是拿著20年前美補的文件來售後算帳撤銷國籍剝奪身份的威脅把封守公 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2298.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2316.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
奉公守法的新住民像懸崖這樣的政府追殺變相的政府來懲罰新住民老天爺啊那政府欺負手無寸鐵的平民百姓我們還能相信政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2318.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2334.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
這一道子公文就抹滅一個母親為了台灣付出只要他們因為來自中國就可以這樣懷疑欺負他們有罪嗎我們一起呼應賴政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2335.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2363.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
臺灣已經是外憂內患了請回到你的崗位執行你的職責請停止製造人民的恐慌停止族群的分裂停止人民的衝突不要相信外面的人對你的承諾請回來聽聽臺灣人民的心聲吧我們居住臺灣 臺是你的家人請停止對我們孩子的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2364.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
請還給我們孩子一個安穩的生活民進黨賴政府請別再用國家的機器傷害台灣的人民了我們不是你的敵人我們是你的家人我們是國家最堅韌的一群人是台灣未來的主人台灣加油新住民加油請賴政府停止對我們人民的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2392.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2399.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
院長以及在座各位朋友大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2420.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2436.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
美國總統川普4月2號正式宣布對各國進口產品實施對等關稅政策掀起了全球的經濟風暴台灣雖然自認為是美國的盟友經貿合作的好夥伴但是仍然被公告課徵32%的高關稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2439.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2464.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
預估將衝擊台灣產業9000億的產值12萬勞工恐將失業民進黨政府是對外無能防禦反制對內只會搞政治鬥爭找敵人整肅一擊民進黨政府說全國應該團結面對美國的關稅風暴但是這番話是真心還是假意我們看看賴政府的作為就知道了民進黨是這樣團結台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2466.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2490.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
第一持续提起复议案释宪案今天立法院即将去处理行政院提出的第六次的复议案第二持续的让政府官员到各个县市进行大罢免的宣讲继续造谣抹黑在野党的立委第三持续的杯葛瘫痪立法院的意识不让立法院正常运作 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2491.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2509.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
第四则是持续的制造对立计划撕裂台湾那么移民署呢近日则通知超过一万两千位已经取得中华民国身份证的陆配和出生于台湾但是成长于台湾的台湾之子 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2510.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2531.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
这些人都是在台湾居住了二三十年要求他们若三个月内没有提出无大陆的户籍文件就要撤销台湾的户籍这是陆委会继清查公教人员国营事业员工有无大陆身份证件之后进一步的对陆配和台湾资质进行审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2534.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2554.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
请大家不要轻忽,外政府这样蛮横无礼的作为,它正一步一步的扩大清查台湾人对民进党政府效忠的程度,试图排除任何不喜欢民进党、对民进党有批评的人,他们企图建立对于这些人可以去撤销户籍、驱除出境的权威。 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2555.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2584.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
未來只要不是民進黨的黨員沒有領取民進黨黨證就將被推進全是中共同盟人進而要求大家要自證清白這種可怕撕裂台灣的獨裁政府台灣人民絕對不能讓他們大罷免成功不能讓他們稱心如意獨霸立法院我們絕對不容許台灣只剩下一種聲音只剩下一群全是歌功頌德擁戴獨裁民進黨政府的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2584.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2584.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
5382.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
5393.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
報告議員會現在我們繼續開會請秘書長報告出席人數報告議員會出席委員87人已足法定人數我們現在開會先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
5397.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
5416.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
立法院黨團協商結論實踐114年4月8日下午20時30分地點紅樓302會議室決定事項依各黨團同意4月11日星期五上午處理警察人員人事條例呼籲案呼籲案處理完畢後再進行行政院長專案報告相關議事程序如附件 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
5417.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
5429.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
二 各黨團同意4月11日星期五下午邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派5人民進黨黨團推派5人台灣民眾黨黨團推派1人進行每位委員尋答時間15分鐘質詢順序屹立授權議事處辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
5441.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
5459.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
名單請於4月10日星期四中午12時前送交議事處會診預時視同放棄本次會議不處理臨時提案3月15日星期二繼續進行政黨質詢主持人韓國瑜江啟臣協商代表傅坤吉王洪威羅志強柯建銘吳思堯陳培宇黃國昌張啟凱陳昭芝宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
5464.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
5487.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
請問會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有意義沒有意義的話我們就通過114年4月8日朝野黨團協商結論經決定如下依各黨團同意4月11號星期五上午處理警察人員人事條例復議案復議案處理完畢後再請進行行政院院長專案報告相關議事程序如附件 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
5488.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
5510.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
二、各黨團同於4月11日星期五下午邀請行政院院長率同相關部會所長列席提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢質詢人數由國民黨團推派五位民主進步黨團推派五位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位進行每位委員質詢詢答時間為15分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
5514.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
5542.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
質詢順序依例授權議事處來辦理名單請於4月10日星期四中午12點前送交議事處來會診預時適同放棄本次會議不處理臨時提案審4月15日星期二繼續進行政黨質詢報言會因陳學仁會本次會議議事日程草案送願為陳學仁會以本次會議議事日程草案送願會處理現有黨團以本院議事成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
5543.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
5552.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議我們現在進行處理並截止收案我們先進行報告事項部分請議事人員宣讀內容黨團之題內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
5554.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
5581.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第三會期第七次會議議事日程報告事項諮詢事項禁報告事項僅限列二十一案如附表是否有當進行公決本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第七次會議議事日程報告事項及諮詢事項提議僅限列效表所列四案是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
5583.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
5598.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
針對第十一屆第三會期第七次會議議程報告事項質詢事項提議僅限列項標鎖列四案是否有當進行公決宣傳完畢歡迎會議我們依先後各黨處理各黨團的提議請問院會對民進黨黨團提議通過有無異議有異議有異議我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
5606.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
5612.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
有異議我們就要進行表決我們現在開始按鈴七分鐘並請議事人員分發表決卡現在開始按鈴 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
6039.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
6050.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
抱怨會請問每位委員是不是都有簽到都有拿到表決卡抱怨會今天是我們立法院王育民委員過生日我們掌聲祝福生日快樂 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
6054.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
6061.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
現在我們開始進行表決我們針對民進黨黨團提議現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
6141.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
6161.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
抱怨會報告表決結果出席110位贊成50位反對60位贊成者少數抱怨會現由民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨提議請按贊成反對請按反對10天1分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
6233.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
6237.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
報告重複表決結果出席110位贊成50位反對60位贊成者少數民進黨團體不通過 |
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辦理會我們現在處理 進行處理臺灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因國民黨團之提議與臺灣民眾黨黨團提議相同我們一併處理請問院會對臺灣民眾黨團國民黨黨團提議通過有異議有異議我們進行表決贊成臺灣民眾黨團國民黨團提案贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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表決結果出席110位 |
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贊成61位反對49位贊成者多數抱怨會現在有民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團請按贊成反對請按反對重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報應會陳廷飛委員發布聲明對剛才表決結果與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄報應會報告重複表決結果出席110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨黨團體照案通過 |
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歡迎回本次會議議事日程報告事項照台灣民眾黨團國民黨黨團提議通過我們繼續進行處理討論事項部分現在處理民進黨黨團針對討論事項提供議案請議事人員宣讀提議內容 |
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本月民進黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第七次會議議事日程您請在內討論事實僅限列如表列一案並於施政質詢前進行處理是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢全院會對民進黨黨團之提議有無意見有無異議 |
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有意義啊有意義我們必須要進行表決現在我們開始進行表決對民進黨黨團針對討論事項之提議贊成民進黨黨團請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果出席110位贊成50位反對60位贊成則少數抱怨會現由民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團體請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告後重複表決結果出席110位贊成49位反對61位贊成者少數民進黨黨團體不通過 |
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本次會議其餘的議程,照剛才院會所通過的協商結論通過我們本次會議的議事日程確定現在我們進行報告事項,請秘書長宣讀第三會期第六次會議議事錄先讀完就會處理 |
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選組立法院第十一屆第三會期第六次會議事務時間中華民國114年3月21日上午9時至9時26分10時至12時9分下午2時30分至6時3月25日上午9時至下午8時47分 |
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地點北越一場出席委員王偉益川等113人類似官員賢聖院長卓同泰等41人主席院長韓國瑜報告事項第一案宣讀北越第一屆第三會議第五次會議之路決定確定第二至七十至十六十八至七十六七十八至一三一六至二九零案均決定 |
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交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會第897、114、145案均決定同意策違第77案決定計劃組與相關職案並且協商第291、293案為社會福利及衛生環境委員會等所提示報案 |
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准許事項依假行政檔部實施事件與北院委員執行部實施事件討論事項第一案均決議交由黨員協商並由國民黨團務者召集協商第三案決議不一案不通過第四案決議定地處理對行政院長提出施政完成前施政報告均實行 |
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為進行本市會議排列式實行試劇至本市下市會議繼續進行其他事項本市會議議事項包括事項實行事項照國民黨黨團 台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過針對討論事項照國民黨黨團提議通過其議議程照原 |
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編制 草案通過後民進黨黨團提出全體問題經主席宣告裁釋三 國民黨黨及台灣民眾黨黨團分別提出本院院會會議時間以本院議事規則第二收號條因延長至本日排定諮詢委員諮詢結束為止促請本主席向院會說明本院議事規則第二收號條規定進行工具適宜宣讀完畢 |
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好,抱怨會現在由蔡易瑜委員發表聲明蔡易瑜委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 |
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外會現有民進黨黨團提出3月25日第六式會議未依規定延長會議時間未違法會議議事錄顯有錯誤應該不予以確定之書面我們跟院會說明有關該日會議由國民黨團及台灣民眾黨團分別向本席提出請求依本院議事規則第22條 |
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因延長至25日排定諮詢委員諮詢結束為止本席依規定 |
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進行後續討論事宜並無不妥另外議事錄根據會議實際之進行結果與結果而記錄並由立法院公報可互相印證因此第三會期第六次會議議事錄並無民進黨黨團所指出錯誤之情勢我們作以下決定 |
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第三會期第六式會議議事錄確定現有民進黨黨團提議表示反對我們現在針對民進黨黨團所提出表示反對現在針對主席宣告議事錄確定進行表決有民進黨黨團提議要求記名表決 |
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各位委員請安靜好不好 有人聽不清楚針對主席所宣告議事錄確定民進黨黨團要求進行表決我們現在進行記名表決贊成 請按贊成 反對 請按反對 |
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我們時間針對主席的裁定贊成請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝我們報告表決結果謝謝我們現在報告表決結果出席委員110位 |
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贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數抱怨會現有民進黨黨團體要求重複表決我們針對主席宣告議事錄此案贊成請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始進行重複表決 |
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報告院會報告重複表決結果初期110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數主席之宣告通過第三會期第六次會議意思錄確定報告院會我們現在繼續進行處理後續報告事項請迎並宣讀報告事項第二案及第三案 |
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第二案 行政院韓委本院三讀通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文其中第35條第一項第四款含附表三第二項第三項及第六項條文經研議確屬治安難行依憲法再修條文第三條第二項第二款規定以請本院負議案 |
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第三案 總統府秘書長韓維本院通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文 咨請總統公佈案 經行正院研議以其中第35條 第1項 第4款 含附表3 第2項 第3項及第6項 確屬治安難行以憲法增修條文第3條 第2項 第2款規定 呈奉總統核可 依請本院附議案議事處意見 以上二案 擬請委員會交全院委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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委員會以上兩案均照黨團朝野協商結論決定交全院委員會審查4月11號星期五院會報告事項處理完畢同日改開全院委員會審查審查完畢之後同日改開院會進行記名表決請宣讀第四案第四案本院台灣民眾黨黨團理局因應通膨強化社會任性特別條例草案議事處理監教經濟財政兩委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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好現在第四案宣讀完畢我們宣告照議事處意見通過報告事項均已處理完畢剛才院會報告有關附議案審查時程之決定院會報告事項處理完畢同日改開全院委員會審查現在請各位委員能夠到議場簽到處進行全院委員會的簽到請務必簽到足法定人數之後我們立刻進行召開全院委員會現在休息 |
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現在我們繼續開全院委員會我們現在請秘書長報告出席人數報告全院委員會出席委員六三年已足法定人數我們現在開會本次全院委員會之議程依上午院會所通過附議案審查時程之決定辦理我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第三會期第二次全院委員會議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第三會期第二次全院委員會議事錄 |
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時間中華民國一百四點三月十一日上午九十一分至十二十八分下午二十三十分至三十三十五分三月十二日上午九十至十一時五十九分下午二十三十一分至三十五十一分地點本業一場出席委員張委員嘉峻等一百十二人 |
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列席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等三四連主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第一次全院委員會議事錄決定確定討論事項第一案至第四案決議提報院會以記名投票表決宣讀完畢報告全院委員會我們針對第三會期第二次會議的議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定 |
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第三會期第二次全院委員會議事錄確定報告全院委員會 |
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一朝上午院會的決定以上兩岸全院委員會審查時不邀請行政院院長說明由國民黨團推派一位民進黨黨團推派一位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位每位發言五分鐘現在請各黨團推派之代表發言首先我們請張祺凱委員發言吳思堯委員請準備 |
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我們現在 對不起 更正補宣讀一下我們現在進行討論四項請議事人員一併宣讀討論四項第一案及第二案討論四項第一案行政委行為本院三讀通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文其中第35條第一項第四款含附表3第二項第三項及第六項條文經研議卻屬治案難行依憲法增修條文第三條第二項第二款規定以請本院附議案 |
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第二案 總統府秘書長韓維本院通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文 咨請總統公佈案經行見面研議 以其中第三十五條第一項第四款 含附表三第二項第三項及第六項 確屬治安難行以依憲法徵收條文第三條第二項第二款規定 存奉總統合格 以請本院復議案宣讀完畢我們現在請張綺凱委員發言 吳思瑤委員請準備 |
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現在警消人員正在守護我們的安全他們現在在救台灣在救我們所有台灣的人民 |
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我們台灣民眾黨曾經做了兩次大型的民調清楚顯示絕大部分的民眾都贊成不要再繼續民進黨推動的大砍井銷的退休年金要適度的提高這是台灣共識 |
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不分年齡層跨世代的支持跨越了所有的教育跟年齡層這是台灣共識可是民進黨沒有把警消的辛勞放在心裡你們到底是多看不起對警消人員到底有多少的意見啊這次 |
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警察人員人事條例的修正在今年1月4號就已經三讀通過了可是民進黨冒著可能違憲的這個餘力一直偷不送到總統府公告竟然還提了復議案選擇跟民意對撞民進黨的心裡眼裡根本就沒有我們警消人員全系部部長還抹黑說 |
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我們退休的警消人員有八成領的錢比那個常務次長退下來還多這根本就是造謠實際的真相是超過一千位可能找不到一位可以領到像常事那樣的錢結果台灣民眾黨跟國民黨砍掉 |
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全新部部長的這個特別費要他更正道歉到現在都沒有明確的道歉也沒有更正老柯柯總召還說警消如果組工會啊就會罷工就導致中共來攻打台灣 |
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等一下民進黨的代表幹市長吳斯亞會上台請你們給我們解釋清楚為什麼全西部誤導你民進黨現在還一直在抹黑造謠說退休的警消人員可以領到像常務市長那麼多的錢還有我們的柯總召為什麼抹紅抹黑我們警消人員組合公會就導致中共侵台啦你們NU到底有沒有警消人員用把他們放在心上 |
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台灣民眾黨做的民調清清楚楚超過七成以上的民眾都支持這次的警察人員人事條例這個修正七成以上的民眾全部都贊成特別是年輕的族群20到29歲啊 七成三支持30到39歲 超過八成喔40到49歲 也接近七成三從各個教育培去看 也全部都是支持的 |
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因為大家都很知道很清楚我們的警消人員是非常辛苦的他們的工作非常的危險工作時間又長壓力又大事實上根據統計警消人員的平均餘命比我們一般人少了5到10年內政部的統計2017年到2021年這6年 |
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8684.949 |
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8711.024 |
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警察因公殉職的就有47位因公受傷的4837位消防兄弟們消防署的這個統計我們的打火兄弟最近這10年就有28位不幸殉職了不幸殉職了結果民進黨今天公祭明天就忘記 |
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像這次的這個修法不只是台灣的共識也是因為台灣最近這幾年的財政變好了106年民進黨推動大砍景蕭的推銷年金的時候我們的財政有些問題犧牲了我們的景蕭兄弟們可是最近這幾年我們財政變好了財政年年超出民進黨沒有看到 |
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財政超說了看到退伏基金這幾年投資效率增加了嗎為什麼要繼續霸凌驚欺負我們的警消人員呢所以我們鄭重的呼籲請給我們的警消人員應該有的保障不是給多高只是希望他們在工作的時候是有尊嚴的退休是有保障的請民進黨不要再霸凌警消人員 謝謝 |
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謝謝張啟凱委員發言我們接下來請吳思瑤委員發言吳宗憲委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁大家辛苦了剛剛民眾黨代表張琦凱委員講到台灣共識什麼是台灣共識藍白當家的國會反改革反進步不公不義回來了世代不正義回來了這才是現在的台灣共識 |
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容我要提醒如果怕罷免就支持復议案怕罷免就支持年轻人怕罷免就请支持年金改革国难是什么不是国民党一再炒作的川普关税的冲击真正的国难是台湾的在野党并不忠诚要搞垮国家 |
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8833.106 |
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8852.142 |
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如果說世代正義退府制度年金永續比較不好懂那我們就來講錢絕對讓國人很有感藍白當家的立法院搞倒國家敗光國家是現在進行式我們來算一算才化法搬走3753億 |
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8854.784 |
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8881.605 |
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總預算砍了2076億還沒算個準凍結1608億加上朱立倫說要紓困舊股市至少要花2000億還有要普發現金2300億大家算一算加上今天的年改法案如果再被強行通過複議案被封殺了將造成國庫更無以數計的支出計算機跌跌的 算盤跌跌的 |
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8883.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
8899.749 |
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藍白62席立委上任一年多就已經敗光國家至少一兆兩千億如果再加上很多的錢坑肉桶法案至少是三兆起跳以為國家是凱子把國庫當作政治的提款機嗎 |
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8901.411 |
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8922.334 |
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在座的各位想一想,这一届的立法院就说这一年好了,2025年,立法院通过了什么扶国立民的民生法案了吗?没有。但是你们联手否决了限诉法的复议案,瘫痪宪法法庭,你们否决了选罢法的复议案,没收人民的罢免权, |
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8938.682 |
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總預算的時候你們現在說趕快來解凍要挽救總預算最好的方式是當時來支持總預算的復議案但你們依舊聯手封殺現在還說省下的預算可以來救股市 |
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8968.445 |
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國民黨可以讓死人復活去連署但是立法院沒有辦法拿被刪掉的預算再挪用再支用藍白的委員到底是笨還是壞呢我也要說今天的反年改的法案附議如果被封殺造成了國庫千億以上的支出可以拿你們每年砍總預算來彌補補回嗎也不可能 |
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很遺憾今天行政院沒有辦法來這裡報告也沒有機會上台備詢直球對決容我再一次向國人報告警察人員人事條例摯愛難行的幾個重點第一個 |
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8987.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
9001.349 |
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違憲 違憲 違憲大幅增加政府的財政支出違反財政紀律更違反憲法權利分立原則違反憲法的平等原則第二你們破壞了退府制度的公平性是擴大不平等造成世代不正義 |
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9016.006 |
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第三如果今天不一樣被封殺了警察人員原是條例將警消的所得替代率提高到八成新增政府的支出668億退府基金會提早至少兩年破產還有 |
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9032.824 |
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把所得替代率提高到八成那麼會加速讓員警提早退休形成台灣的警力中空把治安搞壞搞爛你們藍白可以負責嗎我也要負責我也要來闢謠一下張祺凱委員 |
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9036.4 |
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9055.309 |
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照顧警消要優先照顧現役的警消人員需要提高在職的警消人員的各類津貼補助保險福利民進黨做的比國民黨多太多了而不是拿錢去補貼退休警察的待遇這是找錯解方我也要闢謠年改 |
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9057.49 |
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9080.84 |
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並沒有違反憲法的信賴保護原則大法官早已經在781、782、783號的三號解釋文都說年改是合憲的所以各位朋友跟年輕人站在一起跟世代正義站在一起我再說一次如果怕罷免請投下支持復議案的贊成票 |
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9082.068 |
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9100.364 |
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支持年輕世代 支持台灣的年輕永續請勇敢地按下贊成票 謝謝謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請吳宗憲委員發言 |
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9106.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
9123.183 |
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主席各位立委同仁各位國人大家早安我想我們這一次呢就法案主要提出是希望能夠保障警察消防海巡移民跟空勤同仁的退休生活因為這些人長期就處在一個高危險高壓的工作環境 |
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9123.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
9147.248 |
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那政府說這樣對其他的公務員不公平但是我在這邊跟各位報告以警察同仁來說因公傷殘每年高達700多人那前兩年更逼近900多人過去七年我們警消因公殉職的84人而全國軍公教因公殉職是229人所以公警消就佔了 |
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9147.928 |
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9160.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
軍公教 英工殉職人數的三分之一以上那更不要講說分母有非常大的差距比例上也有非常大的差距那這些數字其實很可怕因為每一個數字它代表的就是一個家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
9178.452 |
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就像我之前說過我當年在當檢察官的時候因為帶隊搜索曾經被歹毒開過槍雙方開了六十幾槍我爸爸吃早餐的時候看新聞看到他非常的生氣但他生氣的不是我去工作他生氣的是說如果我被打到的話那我們的這個家庭怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
9179.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
9198.928 |
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那其實這個心情就是警察、消防、海巡、空勤這些人他們家屬的心情我想我能夠真的非常能夠的體會還有夏天的季節颱風季節快到了那颱風的時候當我們在家避難可是這些人卻要在外面停休的在執勤所以當人民面對天災人禍的時候 |
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9200.922 |
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9226.114 |
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這些警消是往人們逃難的方向去接近這些危險去用生命來保護我們的國人那政府本來應該就要對他們獻上最高的敬意怎麼可以說在需要他們的時候把他們護來換去不需要他們的時候又不把他們當一回事拋諸腦後這個都不對而且警察的平均死亡年齡是75歲消防弟兄是62歲平均不到70歲 |
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9227.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
9247.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那跟國人的平均壽命81歲相比其實差距到10年之多這是因為他們數十年的辛勞日夜顛倒甚至他們都在最危險的地方所以導致他們的健康惡化那跟固定上班的公務員怎麼能夠比呢所以我們當然認為他們跟固定上班的公務員狀況是不太一樣 |
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9249.419 |
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9265.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
其實剛剛吳孝文說的沒有錯大法官確實在釋字裡面有提到信賴保護的部分但是解讀似乎又還有一點差距因為大法官雖然說大法官其實他的說法是說這些公務員 |
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9266.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
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的年金是有信賴保護原則的保障必要但是如果因為公益的需求這時候信賴保護是加以限縮的所以當國家財政發生問題有危難的時候我相信所有的警消海巡空勤這些人以及所有的國人都願意共體時間但是呢我們現在看到的是國家拿了史上最高的總預算 |
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9292.49 |
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9309.635 |
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國家拿到了史上最高的超收稅額結果在這個沒有任何公益需求的情況下卻拿這個釋字出來這個其實是完全誤解大法官會議的解釋大法官是說有公益需求的時候才不受信賴保護 |
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9310.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
9335.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
今天沒有公益需求我們當然要給他們當年同意給他們的退休制度更何況一個負責任的政府看看我們鄰近的國家大家在做的是提高現職的勞工公務員的薪水提高社會新鮮人的起薪大家在做的這個事情而不是把所有的人摳摳在一起去鬥退休的人員 |
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9336.118 |
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9361.539 |
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政府沒有能力提高限職人員的薪水就叫限職的人去鬥退休的人這個是不對的更何況一年只增加20億可是我們台電的錯誤能源政策國家錯誤的能源政策讓台電這兩年已經撥補了從賺錢變成我們他需要賠了4000多億所以這個錢跟我們能夠讓景蕭能夠安穩的退休其實是有一個很大的差距 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
9382.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
再來總統這幾年說警察打詐不利但我要跟各位報告我是辦刑事案件出身的打詐真正該管的是政府行政機關你敢不敢對Google開罰敢不敢對Meta開罰而不是說你完全不做前端的行政控管然後就罵後面的警察 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
9406.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
打仗不利最後我們要感謝傾瀟海巡 移民組 空巡 同仁這些人用生命 用青春 犧牲健康來維護這個社會安全所以就像我們用自己的安危在保護這個社會一樣我們希望當他們用生命熱愛這個國家的時候國家千萬不要忘了他們 |
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9413.587 |
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9439.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
謝謝吳宗憲委員的發言報告全院委員會各黨團推派代表的委員均已發言完畢行政院所提之復議案我們已經審查完畢我們現在做以下決議提報院會以記名投票表決向全院委員會報告依照上午的院會決定全院委員會審查完畢同日改開院會進行復議案記名投票表決 |
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9440.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
9460.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我們定在本日上午11點15分改開院會請各位委員屆時出席院會進行附議案之記名投票表決本次全院委員會進行到此為止現在全院委員會散會 |
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9762.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
9762.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
謝謝你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
9887.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
9893.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
抱怨会我们现在继续开会进行复议案之处理事项请宣读全员委员会审查报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
9894.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
9921.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
本院全院委員會報告審查行政院函為本院三讀通過修正警察人員人事條例部分條文其中第35條第1項第4款函附表3第2項第3項及第6項條文經研議確屬之案難行依憲法增修條文第3條第2項第2款規定以請本院復議案以上復議案經提報本地巡議界第3會及第7次會議依協商結論決定交全院委員會審查 |
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9923.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
9948.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
本院於4月11日院會報告事項處理完畢後改開本屆第三會期第三次全院委員會進行審查會議由院長韓國瑜擔任主席並依協商結論由國民黨黨團推派一人民進黨黨團推派一人台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人進行發言每位委員發言時間為五分鐘經發言後相關發言均列入記錄 |
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9949.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
9955.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
本案經審查完略原決議提報院會已進行投票的表決宣讀完畢 |
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9956.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
9978.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
我們現在對附議案進行記名投票表決,由各黨團推派一位委員擔任投開票監察員。有關投票場相關事務,我們均循例辦理,設置圈票數四個,票軌兩個。在投票表決之前,我們做兩項重要宣告。一、投開票監察員由國民黨團推派蘇清泉委員。 |
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民進黨團推派王逸川委員台灣民眾黨黨團推派劉書斌委員擔任二 領投票時間為一個小時領投票截止時間為中午12點15分如全體委員於12點15分之前均已投票完畢我們提前開票現在請工作人員佈置投開票所並請投開票監察員開始執行監察職務 |
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報告院會本次副議案投票採記名投票另外依照上午的院會決定國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團所屬委員於北區領票民進黨黨團所屬委員於南區領票投票時兩側發言台各設有一個票軌均可投入現在請各委員黨團開始分區領票及投票 |
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抱怨會民進黨黨團聲明改推派陳俊宇委員擔任投開票監察員請陳俊宇委員就位 |
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保安委員會民進黨黨團改推派林淑芬委員擔任投開票監察員 |
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好 抱怨會議 距離投票截止時間中午12點15分還有三分鐘還沒有投票的委員 請趕快投票 |
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民進黨黨團聲明投開票監察員現在改由張雅琳委員擔任請張雅琳委員就位好 抱怨會現在我們投票截止時間已到現在按鈴並請工作人員布置開票所 |
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報院會現在報告發票報告書警察人員人事條例第修正第35條條文附議案投票表決發票報告書領票委員112位未領票委員1位合計113位中華民國114年4月11日投開票監察員張雅玲委員 蘇清泉委員 劉淑冰委員 |
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好 抱怨會我們現在開始開票開啟票軌並整理復議案 |
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往前 |
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歡迎我們現在進行副議案之唱票請唱票丁學忠贊成維持本院原決議及反對副議案丁學忠贊成維持本院原決議及反對副議案劉許廷贊成維持本院原決議及反對副議案劉許廷贊成維持本院原決議及反對副議案 |
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王世堅 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案王正旭 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案王玉敏 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案王玉敏 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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王定宇 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案王美惠 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案王逸川 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案王宏威 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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王洪維 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案吳麗華 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案江啟臣 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案江啟臣 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案何新淳 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案何新淳 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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吳沛毅 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案吳中憲 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案吳秉瑞 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案吳思瑤 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案 |
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吳思瑤 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案吳啟明 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案吳啟明 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案呂玉玲 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案呂玉玲 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案李光誠 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案李坤誠 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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李坤澤 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案李彥秀 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案李博毅 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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沈博洋 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案沈發慧 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林月琴 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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林佩祥 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林依瑾 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林依瑾 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林黛樺 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林黛樺 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林俊憲 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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林俊憲 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林思明 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林思明 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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林倩琦 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林國成 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林淑芬 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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林淑芬,反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林楚英,反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林楚英,反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案林德福,贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林德福,贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案林益君,贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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林益君 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案邱志偉 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案邱志偉 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案邱若驊 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案邱若驊 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案邱振軍 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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邱振鈞 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案邱奕瑩 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案邱奕瑩 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案柯志恩 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案柯志恩 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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洪孟楷贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案洪孟楷贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案范雲反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案范雲反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案徐巧欣贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案徐巧欣贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案徐欣盈贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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徐欣怡 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案徐富奎 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案徐富奎 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案圖全琦 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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圖權吉 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案翁曉琳 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案翁曉琳 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案馬文鈞 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案馬文鈞 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案高晶素梅 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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高津樹梅 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案張鴻祿 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案張鴻祿 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案張祺凱 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案張祺凱 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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張志倫 贊成維持本院原決議及反對附議案張雅玲 反對維持本院原決議及贊成附議案張家俊 贊成維持本院原決議及反對附議案 |
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張嘉峻贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案莊瑞雄反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案莊瑞雄反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案徐宇甄贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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許宇珍 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案許智傑 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案許智傑 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案郭育晴 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案郭國文 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案郭國文 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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陳永康 贊成維持本院原決議及反對附議案陳玉珍 贊成維持本院原決議及反對附議案陳秀寶 反對維持本院原決議及贊成附議案 |
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陳婷飛 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案陳俊宇 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案陳冠廷 反對維持本院原決議及暫存復議案 |
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陳昭芝 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案陳素月 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案陳培宇 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案陳雪生 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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陳雪生 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案陳清輝 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案陳超明 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案陳盈 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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麥玉珍 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案傅坤祺 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案佑浩 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃仁 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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黃仁 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃秀芳 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案黃秀芳 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案黃建斌 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃建斌 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃珊珊 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃珊珊 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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黃建豪贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃國昌贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案黃捷反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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楊耀 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案楊瓊英 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案萬美玲 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案葉元芝 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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葉元之贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案葛如君贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案葛如君贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案廖先祥贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案廖先祥贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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廖偉祥贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案廖偉祥贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案劉建國反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案劉建國反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案劉書斌贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案劉書斌贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案蔡其昌反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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蔡祺昌 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案鄭天才 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案鄭正前 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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鄭振乾贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案盧明哲贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案盧明哲贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案盧憲一贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案盧憲一贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案賴士寶贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案賴士寶贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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賴慧元 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案賴瑞隆 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案賴瑞隆 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案謝一鳳 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案謝一鳳 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案謝隆介 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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謝龍介贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案鍾嘉斌反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案鍾嘉斌反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案韓國瑜贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案韓國瑜贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案顏寬恆贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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顏寬恆 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案羅廷偉 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案羅廷偉 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案羅明才 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案羅美玲 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案 |
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羅美玲 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案羅志強 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案羅志強 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案蘇巧慧 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案蘇巧慧 反對維持本院原決議及贊成復議案蘇清泉 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案蘇清泉 贊成維持本院原決議及反對復議案 |
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現在我們報告投票表決結果警察人員人事條例修正第35條條文附議案投票表決結果贊成維持本院原決議及反對附議案62票反對維持本院原決議及贊成附議案50票無效票0票 |
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我們現在做以下決議警察人員人事條例修正第35條條文附議案贊成維持本院原決議者62人超過憲法徵修條文第3條第二項第二款所定全體立法委員二分之一之人數本院原決議 |
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予以維持中華民國一百四年四月十一號投開票監察員張雅玲委員蘇清泉委員劉淑冰委員辦委會復議案已處理完畢下午兩點三十分我們繼續開會進行行政院院長專案報告並備諮詢現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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卓院长 各位队戏阁员午安报言会我们现在继续开会进行行政院院长提出针对美国关税政策因应作为专案报告并被质询我们首先请行政院卓院长报告 |
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韓院長 江副院長各位委員先進美國政府宣布對等關稅之後對台灣經濟的發展跟國人生活帶來許多的挑戰行政院責任當然重大今天應大院之邀向各位委員及國人來提出當前的因應策略美國實施對等關稅的目的 |
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是在解決他與其他國家之間的失衡跟不公平的貿易行為川普政府透過這項措施來減少他的貿易赤字促使美國再達成再工業化的目的而對我國而言這項挑戰政府將全力以赴肯定制定有效的應對策略 |
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美國對等關稅是對超過180個國家科徵的額外關稅而非只針對台灣 |
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自4月5日起先徵收10%的基本關稅而對於與美國貿易順差較大的57個國家則自4月9日起改為加徵11%到50%不等的關稅台灣的對等關稅稅率則被定為32% |
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川普政府於美東時間4月10日也就是台北時間4月10日的晚上上網已經公告了正式的行政命令自4月10號起 |
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也將中國的對等關稅稅率提高到145其餘國家在未來的90日內將暫停執行原對等關稅的稅率改成暫時維持加徵10%的基本關稅長期以來台美之間已經建立了互信而且緊密的貿易夥伴關係政府會把握 |
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這未來90天的時間這個黃金的時間針對這項措施緊速的與美國展開交涉並進行談判同時也會透過這90天各種的緩衝期間極力尋求達到雙贏的方案並且在支持台美產業共同成長的前提之下持續深化雙方的夥伴關係 |
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我們檢視2023年台灣進口關稅稅率從平均簡單平均是6.5%美國則是3.3%因此當美國川普政府提出對等關稅概念的這段期間政府就展開了包括低稅率 |
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高税率以及后来的极高税率的各种不同推估情境跟模拟分析掌握对我国工业农业的相关影响在低税率推估的情境假设台湾被加征的对等关税介于10%到20%之间而且我们低于我们的竞争对手 |
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因為如果是這個情境因為主要的影響會是新增我們關稅的支出政府以這樣的一個針對製造業跟農業的規劃我們規劃了 影響我們規劃了261億跟100億加總361億元的支持方案來協助業者應對超過百億美元的關稅負擔 |
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若是在高稅率的推估情境假設台灣被加徵的對等關稅是介在20%到30%之間而且我們高於我們的競爭對手那麼由於將針對產業造成減少出口的更大衝擊對此政府則針對製造業跟農業規劃了分別是426億元以及150億元總計576億元的支持方案來應對這項挑戰 |
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至於最終出現的極高的稅率推估的情境就是台灣對等關稅被定為32%超過30%以上而且比其他的 |
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競爭對手也高出了將近大概有10個左右的百分點那麼將有幾個主要的影響首先台灣對美國的出口會大幅的減少我們預計會減少超過21%而且市佔率會下降0.72% |
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第二 由於競爭對手的關稅較低台灣的產業可能會面臨到顧客轉單的風險生產基地也可能移轉到其他各處出口的價格也缺乏競爭力進而導致產能過剩 庫存增加 影響內銷市場隨著美國公布對台灣的對等關稅為32 |
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與日本韓國相比較我們有明顯的差距政府進一步將過去的種種的規劃跟試算提高了他的經費跟規模針對製造業以及農業我們提供700億元以及180億元總共880億元的對產業的支持方案以確保產業就業獲得支持 |
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對我國產業的影響我們再分析如下在製造業方面113年台灣對美國的出口達到1114美元佔總出口的32%主要出口到美國的前30大產品就佔我國出口到美國總值的72%主要是以自通訊電子零組件為止 |
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佔對美國出口達到兩項加起來達到65.4%其餘的如汽車零組件、扣件、機械零件、自行車、運動器材、家具、塑膠製品等傳統產業的產值約佔5.8% |
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經委由中央經濟研究院採部分均衡模型綜合考量主要國家被美國科徵對等關稅稅率包括我國的32%日本24%韓國25%中國當時是125%歐盟20%東協國家介於10%到46%之間英國10%等等以及考量我國工業產品出口美國金額佔 |
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總產值的比重初步估算台灣工業產品出口至美國可能衰退達26%影響製造業產值介於5%到12.5%以及影響到12萬5000人的就業機會其中對電子資訊機械運輸工具 |
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重電以及電線電纜 建材雜項 鋼鐵金屬一般化學及家電都受到較大的影響推估受影響的產業的產值幅度介於3%到最高14%之間 |
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在農業方面主要受影響的包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚、鬼頭刀、鱸魚等六項輸美佔比較高的產值可能衝擊風險包括有第一項美國市場美國消費市場會整體的萎縮就是高關稅使得進口農漁產品的價格會上漲導致美國消費者購買意願及數量的萎縮 |
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第二是原輸美的產品轉銷國內造成國內市場的排擠美國消費市場需求減弱讓原銷美國的產品就可能轉銷到國內市場而第三是貿易商會壓低國內收購的價格高關稅的成本增加貿易商壓低收購成本或轉嫁成本到國內農業產業以及消費市場上被競爭對手第四項是被競爭對手 |
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國產品的替代初級農漁產品的替代性較高美國市場或是被成本較低的競爭對手國產品來加以替代那麼政府在協助產業因應的方面有哪些對策政府根據這些以上分析的產業影響跟評估提出了九大面向二十項措施總經費880億元的支持方案這分別由財政部經濟部 |
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農業部以及勞動部攜手合作協助製造業農業跟勞工朋友面對這項的挑戰九大面向當中針對工業部門的我們將專注於金融支持降低行政成本提升產業競爭力開拓多元市場提供租稅優惠安定就業六大面向針對農業部門的也在金融支持提升競爭力以及開拓市場列舉的三大面向 |
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我們進一步規劃了20項具體的措施其中重點包括有增加融資貸款優惠租稅減免強化外銷能力輔導企業轉型以及拓展多元市場提升產業的國際競爭力特別是對中小企業和傳統產業政府將提供更多的關注和支持 |
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此外政府也針對受影響的勞工尤其初次尋職的以及畢業青年提出了安定就業措施包括勞動部會主動訪視關懷勞工安心就業讓受充級再就業以及青年接軌職場都分別列在措施當中 |
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近期勞動部已開始主動的聯繫相關公會跟團體聆聽受影響的情形並收集建議掌握人力的變動情形以及需求的協助儘管美國在日前又公布了暫緩 |
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維持加徵10%基礎關稅的90天的緩衝期但未來國際情勢仍屬多變政府作為產業的最佳後盾會緊迫來執行九大面向20項措施總經費880億元的支持方案支持方案到目前為止 |
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我們認為基本的架構不變,但要視未來雙方談判進展以及結果,以實際的需求,穩當檢討。這點要期請大院能夠予以支持。總統也在針對這項美國對等關稅措施提出之後,提出了五大因應的策略。 |
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為的是在保護我國產業發展並確保台灣在全球貿易中的競爭力其中第一是透過談判改善對等關稅我們已經早就成立了對美談判小組把握美國暫時維持加徵10%基礎關稅的90日這個緩衝期 |
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會極力爭取改善對等關稅的待遇並將基於國內的需求擴大對美產購以及雙向的投資同時積極處理美方關切的非關稅貿易障礙違規轉運以及高科技出口管制等問題特別是解決非關稅貿易障礙涉及多項國內的修法更有賴大院我們共同討論共同支持 |
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另外,因為中國對等關稅率被大幅增加到145%,是否會帶動中國低價的產品大幅度的傾銷台灣,或者是利用台灣進行違規轉運到美國,政府會加大管理的力道,嚴密監控並積極查緝,確保國家與產業的利益。 |
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第二在提出產業支持方面總統也希望我們這個九大面向二十項措施以及經費八百八十億的支持方案能夠得到大院的支持同時為擴大內需政府也正在盤點國內業者 |
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利用這樣的一個契機能夠進行太舊換新設備的需求但我們盤點工作結束之後這一項擴大內需太舊換新的跟業者的協助計畫我們會再爭取相關以及籌措相關的這個裁員來進行對業者的支持 |
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第三,在建構中長期發展策略這方面,制定了經濟發展策略,推動產業升級,以確保經濟競爭力跟穩定的成長,也與我們友好國家合作開拓市場,同時充分利用台灣在半導體等科技領域的優勢發展各種應用的產業,讓台灣成為人工智慧的中心。 |
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第四點就是在立足台灣佈局全球改善投資環境協助台商調整海外生產基地透過台灣加一的策略強化與美國的產業合作進一步進入到全球市場最後再開啟產業傾聽之旅總統與我本人已經開始 |
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向各協同我們的行政團隊聆聽各行各業的需求跟挑戰這個是在之前就已經在進行那麼在4月3號之後我們是持續的加緊跟不同的產業就目前所面臨的真正的問題進行聆聽跟解決的方案並根據產業的意見滾動式來檢討我們的政策我們會增加企業對政府的信心 |
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美國政府宣布對台關稅的決定之後台灣面臨前所未有的這項挑戰影響國家的經濟跟每個國人的生活而面對這項挑戰政府會全力以赴制定有效的應對策略確保經濟穩定發展我們相信只要團結努力台灣能夠在變化的國際局勢當中繼續穩健的前進 |
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至於880億的支持方案已經在日前獲得多數地方政府首長分別表示支持政府將緊迫訂定特別條例以及編訂相關的預算懇請各位委員大力支持 |
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並請能夠為我們的產業跟人民在這一次的大的變局當中我們用最快的速度完整的內容提出一套整套的制度讓我們能夠馬上上路來執行我想這個是人民之所希望也希望大院跟行政院共同合作努力來完成這項工作謝謝大家 敬請指教好 謝謝卓院長的報告 |
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現在我們進行委員質詢每位委員詢答的時間不得超過15分鐘輪到質詢的委員如果不在場就視同放棄首先我們請吳思瑤委員質詢傅坤祺委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長 有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選那外交部林部長麻煩請外交部備選部委好 |
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院長好所有內閣團隊大家這段時間都辛苦了美國川普總統說的要Make American Great Again我今天要破題我們也要把握這個歷史的挑戰它同時也是一個機會Make Taiwan Stronger在最壞的時代我們要做出最好的因應下一頁那我想這一波的美國關稅 |
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啟動的全球衝擊要有清楚的定義,要傳達正確的訊息,否則很容易被亂帶風向,讓以美論一炒再炒。所以我要問一下院長,美國的對等關稅的宣布,就等同於台美關係觸礁了嗎? |
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我認為並非如此台美關係近年來持續的發展基於地緣政治的需求 基於經濟安全的需要而美國這次的對等關稅他是因為要解決自己內部國家的這個貿易赤字減少貿易的逆差也要當 |
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透過排除非關稅貿易障礙以及讓美國再工業化的多項的目的而且他是對所有的國家是一套公式一個計算一個標準一個結果所以我說 |
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不要把它等同於是台美關係的惡化或是觸礁川普就如您所說的他是為了他內部的發展需求他對全球180個國家都發布了這樣子的關稅的新的做法所以no one is outsider不是針對台灣請在野黨不要再炒作以美論了第二個我們要清楚定義的議題是 |
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這場對等關稅的大戰是國難嗎這兩個字當然是沉重但對國家來講可能也是空前的一個變局但是這個變局不是單單發生在台灣而是全世界你看這一周的股市當國際的股市在變化全球無一幸免 |
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所以我要定義喔如果台灣社會沒有足夠的經濟韌性台灣沒有底氣或者是政府沒有準備 |
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然後更重要的如果在野黨毫不忠誠這三者俱足這恐怕才是真正的國難所以負責任的執政黨我們努力做到但是忠誠的在野黨很遺憾台灣現在沒有看到下一頁 |
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在野党毫不忠诚,有立委说要罢免川普申请释宪,这是罗志强。徐宇珍说,终止大罢免,而且要启动对美国的报复。傅昆奇总召说,台积电、联电、赴美投资先来立法院报告,又是利润最大。 |
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趙少康甚至說要繼續擁抱中國要求台灣政府停止一切對美國的投資要完全開放中國的市場甚至北北基桃的四個首長把北北基桃四個縣市當作Costco的分部 |
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說要來輪流舉辦美國商品的採購會在下夜更甚至在昨天晚上朱立倫主席呢把對等關稅的這個重要的戰場當作自己連任黨主席的擂台了我必須這樣說他要求所有的國民黨的縣市首長大家聚在一起聚會其實是為自己參選黨主席連任黨主席繼續來做一個舞台罷了喔 |
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那國民黨端出什麼了不得的方案呢並沒有他們重回一中市場的老路所以網路上的一句金句啊選對的人走對的路選錯的人呢關稅已經不是125囉關稅145 |
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所以在野黨昨天的四大聲明要兩千億的紓困要廣發一萬元的現金要鼓勵陸客來台要召開國事會議我要說陸客陸資成了國民黨的萬年公事撒錢發錢成了國民黨的萬用要單你們診斷一下這樣子的做法 |
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有效合理嗎 院長簡短跟委員報告美國發布對等關稅我們當然有做適度的調整但是我們從去年行政院經濟發展委員會之後成立的經濟外交工作小組副院長以及加農部長都是其中重要成員之後又成為成立的台美經貿的專案小組那我們對這樣的一個發展的策略我們是長久一致性的所以我剛剛也答覆過這個提出聲明當中對的願意共同來討論但是 |
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對國家的財政跟人們的需求我們還是要放在第一位那至於說經濟外交工作小組對我們來講是一個非常新的視野佳龍部長也許可以簡短好我稍後讓部長針對談判的部分讓您來發表所以說國民黨如果持續的擁抱一中市場繼續走回頭路的話那實在是害慘台灣而不是愛台灣更嚴重的呢下一個 |
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這個離島建設條例,陳玉珍委員提案,22個國民黨立委連署支持的,它不折不扣就是一個替中國洗產地的條例。當我們努力在救火,國民黨沒有幫忙滅火,它甚至是幫忙添柴火、放火。 |
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院長你要說一下這樣子的一個條例如果在立法院又被強行通過而且沒有討論的機會現在不討論的機會成為我們韓國瑜院長這個惡例都變成慣例我怕以後沒有機會讓你發表您現在說清楚這樣一個離島建設條例是不是就是公然替中國洗產地人流物流金流就是這樣堂而皇之的來陷台灣於不義來入侵台灣來院長 |
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中央政府對離島的建設跟所有離島國人的福利一向都不落後的而且我們會包括用水方面包括用電方面包括交通方面我們極力也在維護但是我們注重的是怎麼樣讓離島身處前線但是必須是安全的國防那您認為這個條例是不是涉及了替中國洗產地 |
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過去的發展 如果照過去的條例內容會讓中資、陸資進到離島來 而且進行重大建設這個是萬萬使不得 我說我們會嚴防那如果未來涉及棲產地這又是在這次全世界對等關稅貿易當中美國很在意的違規轉運等等所以在野黨沒有幫忙滅火 還要讓台灣飛而撲火 |
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民進黨團主張離島建設條例要撤案這種賣台毀國的條例要撤案你們支不支持 |
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我們站行政立場我們當然願意支持在立法院裡面大家極力力爭為保障國家安全經濟安全來做努力所以不合理的條例我們應當未雨綢繆要先擋下來就擋下來請國民黨撤回離島建設條例下一頁好 880億喔 |
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國民黨說可加碼我們很早就說了只要能夠針對產業的需求受衝擊的狀況更清楚的來研判之後要加碼就加碼請朝野支持謝謝國民黨那我想問一下什麼時候有這樣子的特別條例跟特別預算提出的時程 |
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照原來沒有宣布90天暫緩的情況之下在昨天的行政院會已經做針對881支持方案做了報告原計劃是在下個禮拜希望能夠用以特別條例來經過行政院的院會那現在我們觀察這幾天還在變化還在變化所以我跟 |
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我們的政委副院長在思考是不是能夠多一個禮拜的時間來思考外界的變化讓特別條例內容我們可以更從容因為擁有了90天的黃金期那下一頁國民黨所說刪掉的總預算1439億可以拿來當紓困的救命資源 |
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黃國昌也不甘寂寞這是藍白河共赴國難藍白河而且都說同一套話術也是同一套騙術傅昆奇說砍掉的1439億可以來紓困黃國昌說砍掉的2000多億是舊產業的即時雨兩個人的數字還都不攏就證明了砍預算亂砍連在野黨的兩大黨別人都說不清楚哪個數字是對的 |
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我是非常痛恨這種把預算當作無軌搬運的這種毫無預算嘗試還當在野黨的黨鞭我想問一下院長國民黨可以讓死人都復活去連署這硬要摘掉 |
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但是立法院可以讓砍掉的預算重新被致用挪用嗎就您的長期以來擔任立委也擔任行政部門現在擔任院長這不可能審查預算是一項非常神聖嚴謹的問題審查預算刪除的預算並不是從左邊口袋放到右邊口袋也不是從我的口袋放到抽屜裡面去不是這樣子的如果可以這樣做的話那我們就可以挪到其他去使用整個預算法 紙巨法不是這樣子的 |
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所以黃國昌、傅坤琪、藍白的委員們行行好不要把國家當作全民當作三歲小孩再騙把自己明明是砍國家預算的大惡人現在搖身一變要搶當紓困的大善人不要再騙了那我問一下接著也要追問那如果提特別條例請問這個880億或是880億plus請問他的裁員可能是什麼 |
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先要有一個特別條例在編定這個特別預算特別預算的裁員只有兩個一個就是稅計證據 一個就是舉債我們當然在這個合法的 |
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方式裡面去籌組相關應的這個預算所以就是善用稅計剩餘好好利用稅計剩餘來國家需要的眼前迫切的需要把稅計剩餘拿來編列作為這個特別條例跟特別預算我非常支持而不是把稅計剩餘拿去普發現金一人一萬就2300億沒有了 |
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我想國家當前的需要我們認為我們把稅率剩餘用在這個產業的支持方案我相信人民會支持好那下一頁是要請教林部長不好意思讓你等了比較久您昨天已經說了台美的關稅談判台灣已經掛上號Good News那總統今天在中部會見產業座談他也更進一步的說台灣是Priority中的Priority是第一批的談判名單您可以具體的來回應嗎 |
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是 報告委員 在川普4月2日所謂解放日公布了對等關稅我們總統就在4月6號 他具體的以8分鐘時間向世人提出了我們對應的方案這裡面有五大的政策 |
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那其實這個是非常關鍵的因為美方就收到這個訊息我們提方案而且美方收到了這個左院長所召集的我們不管經濟外交小組的會議或政府院長他召集台美經貿這個專案的這個小組其實都已經把它分類所以不只是只有關稅這裡面包括跟涉及貿易有關的當然包括有一些是非關稅貿易的障礙有一些是貿易的障礙 |
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也包括投資採購像採購你看也包括我們包括這個除了軍購以外也包括農工產品也包括我們這個投資的包括能源特別這些公策都不是突然間這都是長期我們就已經做好準備也打算要做的事所以其實美方有感受到我們總統所提出來很完整的對應的政策 |
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所以他們其實是肯定而且是覺得很欣賞我們這種做法所以我們可能還在前段班列南也提到說他們可能要從這個所謂零關稅不好意思我時間有限所以部長我們很可能在前段班我們可以這樣樂觀期待對那我再補充一下就是在這個昨天總統在布倫伯格更完整的發表投書之後他更強調深化台美經貿合作所以不只是要談關稅我們要談台美全面性的合作 |
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所以確實現在已經雙方面有溝通的管道那也就議題在做一些對應所以隨時都在進行當中所以簡言之我們提出了具體的方案而這個方案不只是短期的是長期的有利於台灣利益也有利於美國利益然後美國收到了這個方案他們也高度的稱許所以讓我們可以更有底氣更有信心的說我們可能可以 |
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名列談談判的前段班我們繼續加油但是戒慎恐懼來下一頁所以這是丘吉爾說的一句話never let a good crisis go to west我們就要讓危機變成轉機這也是總統說的利用地緣政治的變動步步為夷轉為維安來我看最後 |
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這個剛剛因為時間不夠請看細頓2.0這一頁也就是說這是一個長城的總統說台灣的經濟從西進南向東拓到北合以及我們要打造全球半導體民主供應鏈的夥伴創意讓台灣加一是台灣加美國加強跟美國的合作我們更要有強的底氣跟信心跟野心全球plus one |
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那個plus one就是全球plus Taiwan這是我們長城的布局所以我最重要說對台灣有信心對政府要信賴也拜託在野黨要忠誠我們能夠轉圍維安也會長治久安好謝謝吳思瑤委員質詢謝謝左院長外交部的備詢接下來我們請傅坤祺委員質詢黃國昌委員請準備 |
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富坤齊委員請質詢主席請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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副委員好左院長辛苦了不會 大家都一樣辛苦今年是2025年在上一次美國政府所提出的關稅大壁壘是在1930年 95年前當時發生的情況我們都沒有看見因為95年後 |
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美國再一次啊用這種雷霆的手段來平衡貿易的逆差但前一次1930年造成全世界經濟的一個撞擊而且美國啊從此展開了為期啊多年的經濟的大蕭條造成全世界啊這個經濟的 |
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整體的崩潰失業率的大幅提升各行各業全世界都受難在95年後我們再次碰到美國再次引爆關稅壁壘的核彈這段時間我們必須很務實的來面對是的我們大家一定要團結一心共赴國難不分朝夷 |
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大家同心協力院長我們是不是要一起同心協力當然是也希望大院能夠支持讓行政院的方案能夠一起來推動不過本席在這裡要請院長因為今天的院長的專案報告從星期一我們的座談當中院長就表達希望今天到立法院來做專案報告讓全國國人能夠了解 |
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我們也欣然的接受也歡迎但是這份報告我們確實我不曉得說我們現在整體立法院跟行政院這個報告是要等院長您報告完之後我們才有電子檔所以是不是因為接著下來不只是這一次的振興跟紓困台灣的經濟未來可能還有第二期第三期 |
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甚至接下來這個紓困的條例也要送到立法院來審議我們希望院長下一次院長到立法院做報告的時候能夠早一兩天給我們報告的資料因為大家是在合作 集思廣益我們馬上第一棒代表國民黨要來詢答但是這個資料我剛剛才看到 |
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所以我們希望這個資料能夠盡早給我們兩句話書面報告我們有提前送來那口頭的報告早上還在改因為他的行政命令半夜才宣布我們早上還在改沒有關係沒有關係院長我們共勉之了好不好大家記得要同心把這個事情完成我們配合美方的行政措施早上還在宣布半夜宣布我們早上還在修改這個向大院來致歉但書面報告已經有提前送達這個依照經濟部4月4號今年4月4號送到 |
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這個立法院來的報告裡面我們對美國的粗糙在去年是649億美金光這個數字我們現在都還在確認因為經濟部在本月4號給我們的資料是649億美金那我們加徵的關稅是32%的關稅賴總統 |
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也對投書美國的彭博社提出了四個對策包括台美零關稅增加軍購還有採購對美投資還有承諾取消所有非關稅貿易的障礙我想基本賴總統宣布的這四項主要政策我們是尊重但是所有的風險 |
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我們要一併的考量這個台美零關稅 我們先從零關稅說起如果台美零關稅 其實台灣的農林漁牧是相當的無辜畢竟在去年我們對美的輸出是8.6億美金美國對台灣的輸入是37億美金整體我們兩國的貿易我們是逆差 |
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在逆超的情況之下卻是要承擔未來可能零關稅這樣的一個撞擊所以本期在這裡要特別提醒院長尤其我們的談判代表團到美國的時候對於農林榆木的部分本身我們是入超在這個部分是不是用其他的方式來協調盡量不要損及 |
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我們農民 漁民相關的權益可以嗎好 三句話跟委員報告第一個 農漁優先這個是政府一向的策略好 我們的宗旨不會改變第二點 我們對美國對美國的輸出輸入在農業方面我們是逆差的 |
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我們希望在這一點能夠得到談判當中的諒解那至於從零關稅談起這是一個談判的態度中間涉及到很多的策略跟相關的互相的條件那麼農業部也針對農漁的將來可能受到的損害有做到相當多的風險的研判跟設算那我們會站在這個立場上面跟委員所說的一樣保障我國的農漁民的權利所以說現在國內有很多的 |
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這個疑慮已經產生了所以本席在今天也是讓院長有一個說明的機會了解因為這個零關稅端出來的時候有很多的產業開始恐慌我希望院長這個部分能夠跟我們的農林榆木的我們這些基層的這些農民 漁民能夠讓他們能夠多所了解政府還是站在他們的立場 |
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而且這是對台 我們是入超所以特別要保護我們的農漁民這些基層的好的 我昨天跟加工區的業者今天總統跟工具區的業者後天我就會見到農漁民的代表我們會談他業者對本身業界實際上的感受這次政府所提出來的880億 |
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振興跟紓困的我們整體經濟的這些預算對農運民的部分大概有180億左右180億這180億是否足夠還要做一個更深刻的更深刻的這個座談了解這個部分國民黨可以很清楚的強調我們全力的支持謝謝好不好不能讓我們的基層農運民受到任何的傷害 |
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畢竟台灣的糧食我們的自給率只有30%其實要仰仗進口如果我們這30%都沒有辦法自給率確保的話對我們農民營毀性的傷害這個是我們承擔不起的台灣不能農食自給農農糧的自給率我們不能嚴重的不足那請院長這個部分 |
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對於國人的健康我們不能退讓有健康餘力的產品、食品要進入台灣我們還是要保障我們孩子的健康 |
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這個部分我們可以希望用其他的部分來做替代但是千萬不要讓我們的孩子成長的過程中讓有疑慮的食品來妨礙到我們孩子的健康可以嗎國人健康當然不能打折但是台灣身為國際社會的一員只要符合國際的標準有科學的認證我們在經過國內嚴謹的程序 |
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我覺得這個是我們在談判過程當中必須表達出來的態度那結論就是我們不會以傷害國人健康來換取不應該有的條件我們現在對美蘇蘇的農產品包括蝴蝶蘭 茶葉 毛豆冷凍魚 鮭魚 鬼頭刀 鱸魚還有其他的相當的產品再請這個院長這部分能夠多所體恤另外就是 |
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我希望有一個談判的方式能夠給行政院因為我們大家其實是廣義為台灣好我們所有談判的我們的基礎我們自己要能夠掌握住所以在這裡要特別跟院長來分享我們看一下台積電對美銷售的狀況 |
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他一年大概是兩兆八千九百四十三億台幣的產值對美的輸出六十八點八二大概是六百零七億美金這是台積電六百零七億美金輸往美國再看一下聯電北京今天只談這兩個其實還有很多周邊對美輸出的IT產業半導體產業 |
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是17.6億美金輸往美國院長這個數字非常重要所以這兩個部分光台積電跟聯電 |
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我們對美的輸出就是624.6億美金而這個部分是在IT agreement裡面是基本上在4月4號以前是零關稅的所以我們對美的出鈔649億美金大多部分是我們零關稅的產業過去的 |
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是事實上除扣掉這些以外其實台灣的其他產業這些傳產的部分對美國並不是出潮而是入潮但是這個部分我們明明是入潮但是對美輸出卻莫名的加上32%的累加的關稅這對台灣是非常非常不公平的 |
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所以院長本席特別提醒我們對美其實扣掉IT產業半導體產業周邊產業我們對美其實是入朝的所以莫名的冠上這32%的關稅我們要據理力爭尤其台積電尤其台積電對美現在川普總統說要對美投資2000億美金這2000億美金 |
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我們既然已經要投資美國兩千億美金的台積電還有包括聯電未來可能都會成為美聯電台積電成為美積電不會在這種情況之下院長我們務實的講應該告訴美國政府 |
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這些都是對美大宗投資甚至把Intel他們有問題的公司都有台積電蓋過來承受所以其實台灣其他的這些傳產對美國是入潮的不應該灌上32%的要把真實的數字把它確實理清好不好 院長 |
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台灣對美國的這個輸入的輸到美國的產品工業產品加起來1114億啦其中有差不多65%左右就集中在自通訊跟電子產業上面700多億當中這個現在還有一些是在豁免的美國還會有下一步的這個政策所以過去造成的649億的 |
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初超其實這是一個虛幻的數字並不是真實因為那個部分本身本身雙方都是零關稅所以我們很務實的看台灣的傳產基本上是入超的所以這個部分要拜託也請院長 |
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鄭麗君副院長他有溝通的長才跟協調本席了解董秘辛秘書長有他的專業我們都了解也都認同但是如果過去我們APEC領袖會議所敦請的張忠謀先生他又代表台積電為了要投資美國兩千億的這樣的台積電他如果能夠代表我國過去 |
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來跟美國來做談判的話我相信對台灣人的權益的爭取有相當大的幫助我們希望廣開我們廣開 散門只要對台灣有利的部分我們盡可能的邀請他們加入談判的夥伴可以嗎謝謝委員的建議我們最近展開產業之旅也跟個別的業者有一些溝通跟座談的機會 |
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我可以跟委員報告所有的業者對於跟留台灣以及台灣加一這樣的想法都非常的一致會把台灣成為繼續的高科技領先關鍵地位謝謝院長那談判的過程我們會請教他們的意見時間的關係因為大家都愛台灣我們在這裡生活大家都習慣在台灣也愛台灣當然都願意跟留台灣但是要讓跟留台灣的產業能夠繼續活下去包括 |
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整個當製造業 整個產業受到撞擊的時候我們的各行各業 服務業 觀光業全部會受到重創 |
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這就是整個骨牌效應大家面對嚴重的不景氣從1930年美國的大蕭條我們看到前車之鑒所以希望這次的談判全國國人都希望我們談判是成功的能夠保護到我們的傳產能夠繼續的生存所以院長我們要拜託大家對於行政院所提出對美另外投資 |
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國家政府基金再投資兩千億美金六兆六千億台幣我們希望能夠顧及到台灣本體產業還是有足夠的力量能夠來支持確保我們自己的銀彈是充足的好不好好 謝謝傅坤傑委員質詢謝謝卓院長各相關部會所長的備詢接下來我們請登記第三位黃國昌委員請質詢 |
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蔡議員請準備謝謝院長 麻煩有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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黃偉豪院長好 星期一院長召集朝野各黨團到行政院的時候我當面代表台灣民眾黨立法院黨團跟您表示過對台灣民眾黨而言我們一定把國家利益放在第一位謝謝因此當天您願意來立法院報告我們在禮拜二的時候馬上排了第一個案子 |
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第二個當天行政院所交給我們的書面報告裡面提到產業創新條例希望趕快完成三讀台灣民眾黨在禮拜二的時候把他排成第二案但是我們希望當在野黨都有心我們要一起為國家艱難的時刻奮鬥的時候我希望民主進步黨作為一個執政黨禮拜二本來搶卷條例就可以完成二讀跟三讀了 |
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杯葛了一天繼續空轉希望執政黨立院黨團的同仁大家也可以共同努力完成行政院期待的立法院長贊不贊成我希望大院的議事能夠順利的進行先排除一些大家爭議的如果能夠協商那一定很快能夠進入到正常的議事OK 我想禮拜二這個場景大家看了心裡都很痛苦 |
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行政院要慘狀條例三讀我們也願意配合我相信坐在上面的院長禮拜二也很無奈但現在沒辦法了我們試試看下個禮拜五的時候把它完成二讀跟三讀我們一起來努力接下來有關於台美在進行有關於關稅談判的時候我相信是進入了省水區 |
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進入深水區的時候我們從一些基本的問題開始談起院長你認為川普總統要的是什麼他要的是零關稅還是零逆差我認為他是在追求貿易平衡排除不公平包括零逆差以及排除關稅貿易障礙 |
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其實你剛剛講一句話,我不是很贊同你說的是川普總統在追求公平貿易這句話非常說的Diplomatic全世界都在追求但是我要說的是川普總統在爭取的是美國最高的利益從我們的角度上面來講,我必須要說他所提出來的對等關稅,其實一點都不對等院長你讚不讚成? |
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因為他的計算公式只有一個公式一個計算產生一個結果對所有的國家都這樣這就是一個相對性的不公平變成相對性的一致性對台灣來講夠不公平我們當然認為我們應該有更好的一個談判的結果你當初第一時間的時候就講了這個所謂的對等關稅有三大不公平行政院表達了行政院的立場我覺得非常好 |
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川普總統站在美國人的立場,追求美國的利益,我們國家的政府就應該站在台灣人的立場,追求台灣人的利益。你說了,他的攻勢有非常大的問題,我想最近這段時間當中,非常多不僅僅是美國的學者,甚至是台灣的學者跟評論員,大家都提出了相對的批評跟觀察。 |
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甚至在美國貿易代表署裡面他所提出來的計算公式裡面被引用文獻的學者自己都跳出來了說川普這個計算公式是錯的基本上還要再除以4這個是他所引用的文獻的學者所講的那現在的關鍵是什麼現在的關鍵是我們要的是什麼 |
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我們願意付出什麼我們手上還有什麼籌碼院長 接下來在進行跟美國談判的時候啊你覺得台灣要的是什麼我們在...談話跟美國的合作接續過去的台美經貿專業小組以及現在這幾天當中 一個禮拜當中持續開會我們當然有列出一些想法 策略及應對的一些內容我們願意付出什麼代價 |
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付出什麼代價因為國際貿易嘛有得有失嘛他希望對美國好一點我們的政府應該希望對台灣好一點嗎策略方面我大概不容易勉強但是我們可能付出就是我們必須在關稅對等的這個情況不是對等關稅喔是雙方面關稅對等的情況之下我們可能要做一些調適 |
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而且我們在排除非關稅障礙的那個非關稅障礙等一下我再進一步請教我們就從你剛剛所講的關稅對等嘛剛剛你說關稅對等不是對等關稅嘛是互相之間的關稅對等互相之間的關稅對等我們來看一下我們的賴總統從林立立開始談嘛 |
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他在彭博的投書講得很清楚啦我們願意在互惠的基礎上面把關稅調到零這個是他在彭博上面的投書我想我應該沒有誤會啊這樣的意思他說從零關稅談起這是一個談判的態度來來來我唸給你聽啊We are willing to further cut this rate to zero |
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我們願意把關稅調降到零這個英文沒有那麼難理解啦在互惠的基礎之上現在我的問題就要來了所以我們接下來我們願意把關稅調降到零只要在互惠的基礎之上指的是說如果美國願意調降到零我們也願意調降到零嗎 |
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這是一個基本的態度這是一個基本的態度但是要看對國內的產業的衝擊我們可能這個方面也要列為一個國內產業的衝擊就是我們的政府應該要站在人民的立場去思考的事情剛你講一件事情我基本上是同意是說對於 |
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台灣談判的策略我們一定尊重行政團隊但是現在直接把我們願意做的事情在媒體上面投書的其實是我們的總統他願意展現出一個態度我覺得不必然是壞事但是我今天只想要提醒院長一件非常重要的事情在國際貿易上 |
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我們跟美國之間有得有失但是在國內哪些產業會因此而受益哪些產業會因此而受衝擊 |
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在得失之間怎麼樣去平衡怎麼樣去分配這是一個非常重要的事情我為什麼說這是一個非常重要的事情來我進一步請教我們在追求跟美國之間的是什麼樣子的平等互惠是什麼樣的對等互惠是我們片面配合還是我們會爭取跟美國簽訂BTA |
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原則上是希望透過雙邊的關係來談到比方說FTA或者是美加莫的USMCA這樣的方式所以不管是FTA或者是你剛講的基本上就是台美之間的貿易協定 |
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針對台美之間的貿易協定把所有條件都寫在裡面嘛你們讓什麼我們讓什麼你們希望我們改善什麼我們希望你們配合什麼我們在21世紀貿易倡議當中也是朝這個方向但是21世紀貿易倡議有去在這一次美國總統片面的對台灣增加關稅這件事情有扮演什麼角色嗎 |
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沒有啊全體國人看到了就沒有啊我們的確簽了21世紀貿易倡議啊當初有這個倡議國人也很高興啊結果現在看到的是什麼簽了這個SO WHAT當美國總統片面的要對台灣增加關稅的時候我必須要跟院長強調 |
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我再說一次川普站在美國人的立場爭取美國人的利益我沒有話說啦雖然我覺得對台灣不公平對台灣不合理但是我們回到國內的時候國內的團結很重要但是我們也希望什麼我們的政府 |
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一定要站在台灣人的立場爭取台灣最高的利益我相信院長跟我的看法是一模一樣的因此我下一個問題是我們現在到底是要片面配合美方的要求還是我們要爭取跟他簽BTA |
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這個態度 這個方向很重要具體的底牌是什麼具體的策略是什麼我們不會過問太多我們給行政部門充分的空間是不是以簽訂BTA來當作接下來要求的方向 |
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絕對不是一個片面的單方面的做某種程度的改變而已所以所謂談判一定是在某一個基礎上面是 所以是不是DTA當作我們爭取的目標您就說是就好了嘛這個問題有這麼難回答嗎這就是談判的一個策略我這樣講好了啦 |
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我代表台灣民眾黨立法院黨團在國會裡面我大聲的大聲疾呼希望美國把我們當成真正的盟友我們是民主盟友我們的很多高科技的產品我們也希望跟美國那邊的產業產生互補的作用請把台灣當成盟友什麼叫做請把台灣當成盟友 |
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我們要追求對等我們要追求互惠這個我都同意在兩個國家之間貿易談判的時候有得有失這個我也同意但是如果把我們當成盟友的話我們最後談成的條件是什麼我希望 |
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我希望 我也希望我們的政府大力跟美國政府爭取在野黨 做你們最強的後盾做你們最強的後盾去爭取 跟美國簽訂BPA如果現在我們已經在最優先的談判的行列國家當中這就是一個善意那兩情相悅的情況底下我覺得我們可以爭取最好的一個對台灣最有利的一個位置 |
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我只希望我們的政府去談的時候大聲幫台灣人說話爭取我們最好的條件剛剛有委員問到說我們願意把關稅在互惠的基礎上面砍到零包括農產品嗎農產品我們有WTO的相關的規定在包括稻米我想這個就是已經既有的規定你覺得現在川普政府的遊戲規則有遵守WTO的規範嗎 |
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至少我們願意這樣遵守,用這個來做對等的基礎所以我們如果要對等的話,就不是什麼他們不遵守,我們要遵守嘛現在我在講的,是基本的態度跟立場的問題因為中南部,非常多的農漁民發出了聲音農業部部長在你旁邊,我相信部長都聽到了 |
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但是我一樣強調的一件事情農漁民的權益不可以被犧牲剛剛我在質詢的時候我問了一個其實是最關鍵的問題我們願意配合到什麼程度我們能夠爭取到什麼我們手上還有什麼籌碼 |
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這個都是全體國人大家非常關心的事情因為它會牽涉到國內產業彼此之間橫貧的問題在這個過程當中院長你贊不贊成整個社會乃至於國會在整個經貿談判的過程當中都應該要能夠扮演一定的角色您贊不贊成 |
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國會當然有國會重要的角色就未來我們對產業的支持當然需要國會的支持我講的不是未來對產業的支持喔國家對外貿易的談判事前事中事後都應該要有社會跟國會的參與這個基本的立場院長贊不贊成 |
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事前我想剛剛委員也一再尊重行政院談判的策略所以我們能夠報告的我那一天基本上向大家說明一些那現在正在發展當中的隨著情勢我提醒一下喔 院長來看一下國家對外的貿易談判事前事中事後都會有國會參與是先進國家的立法例這個是當初小英總統講的 |
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這一次您所挑選的經貿談判的代表鄭麗君正副院長也是我之前很好的朋友她也說啦不是只有事後的監督委簽署之前的談判過程就要讓社會參與院長這個態度民進黨還支不支持 |
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所以報告委員我那天嘗試就是做這樣的一個溝通讓大家知道我們已經在做什麼的努力我們準備啟動什麼樣的方式但是非超在我的部分我們極力的爭取當我們有進一步的進展需要讓國會進一步的了解支持的時候我們自然要向國會或向社會沒有關係啦因為我現在只剩下一分多鐘一分多鐘我要問最後一個關鍵的問題我只希望民進黨 |
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不要忘了當初的理想讓公民社會參與讓國會參與這個都是當初民進黨喔從蔡英文總統就提出來的主張但我最關心的事情是我必須要老實講 |
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今天我看到你們所提出來的報告之前我跟部長要衝擊影響評估然後我發函去跟經濟部要中青院的評估報告經濟部不願意給說今天你會做報告所以我一直等我等到今天下午一點半拿到你們書面報告了以後我從頭到尾拜讀 |
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讀完了以後大概就是把經濟部那天回函給我的文字再貼上去我就簡單問一件事情是我們現在衝擊影響評估做好了吧現在在投影片上面有很多表格有三個情境一個是現在我們可能願意跟對方談的零關稅 |
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另外一個是川普在演了90天我們可能談到的其中一個deal是10%那最後一個是我們最不想要看到的事情是32%那不管是0%的關稅對國內的產業會有很大的衝擊喔10%的關稅也一樣但我今天從您的報告裡面對我關心的這些數字我上面什麼數字也沒有填我為什麼什麼數字也沒有填我找不到答案 |
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都在這裡的資料裡面但是這牽扯到產業上一些尚不足以對外宣布的事情我們想以後等到一個事情更定案之後我們再來我再說一次啊 店長這些是自然的 我剛剛說的都是全體國內的關係 |
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我希望什麼時候行政院能夠負責任根據你我的說法好 謝謝黃國昌委質詢謝謝主委長 各部會首長的備詢接下來我們請登記第四位蔡易瑜委員質詢王洪威委員請準備 |
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好謝謝院長那我們是不是有請我們行政院我們卓院長那以及我們經濟部郭部長跟農業部我們陳部長麻煩再請行政院長卓院長備詢農業部經濟部請備詢 |
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蔡委員好院長好院長那我想從清明的連假基本上大家對於川普所發布的這個對等關稅 |
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全世界當然台灣也沒有在例外多在關注這件事所以從他宣布對等關稅後他宣布了這一個公式到目前為止這個公式還是讓大家陷在一片迷惑之中他用台灣可能對於美國的出鈔然後除以這個貿易額所以有一個64的數字然後再把它除以2然後變成32就被台灣課了32%的關稅 |
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那這個32%的關稅我們當然會跟鄰近的國家開始比較我們就看到了日本是24 韓國是25 越南46 柬埔寨49那甚至新加坡相對比較低10%所以這件事情當然會讓整個產業 哇這個真的大家非常的擔心 會恐慌 |
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所以股市會連續的跌停我覺得這種擔心的心情而且在於整個產業從禮拜一就接受了美國很多的訂單咧就讓人家說這樣東西先暫緩就等於讓我們拖累啦拖累就是賣過你說這三十二%人民價要上購所以這個產業界現在都陷入了一片恐慌之中然後在四月九號 |
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4月9號的時候又另外宣布了說原來這個關稅可以暫緩90天然後就是以10%當然這個10%對於現在的很多產業來說這個稅率也是有提高但是跟32當然很大的差異所以現在 |
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90天就是黃金的90天我們就要趕快加速來談判然後來處理後續整個這個90天裡面我們能不能爭取到更好的關稅那或者是對於台灣包括農產包括我們的水產品的一個出口能不能有相對應的一個保障這些是好多事要做所以我想先請教教院長那整體上你們的看法是怎樣的談判的過程 |
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就是現在90天當中我們當然爭取最好的時機盡快進行談判那目前我們已經總統也對外說了我們已經在這個優先名單的國家當中所以談判的準備過程從過去到現在府院以及國安會外交部以及經濟部及經貿工作小組台美經貿專案小組都已經還有經貿辦公室都已經通力合作準備很多的資料 |
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相對應我們準備在正式可以啟動的那個時候就把所有的資料完整的向美國提出我們有整套的想法包括採購貿易等等還有我們排除這個非關稅貿易障礙等等的努力以前到現在所做的以及現在雙方對等關係能夠持續在做的都在這個談判的策略內容當中 |
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所以我想院長從你剛剛的專案報告跟你剛剛的回答你對接下來我們要開始展開對美國的這樣的談判你是充滿著你要替國家爭取最大的一個建設所以你們一定會做好最大的努力 |
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不到最後一刻一定都不會放棄對不對我們當然不會放棄爭取國家最大的利益因為台灣我們有很好的經濟體質產業結構鏈而且台灣對世界來講也是在產業供應鏈上重要的地位台灣不容許發生任何的變動當然 守護我們的產業非常重要但是我是很遺憾啦我從這一個禮拜我看到了不團結的台灣 |
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台灣面對這樣的一個關稅美國對等關稅這樣的一個大危機的時候我們卻看到國內的在野黨不管是藍不管是白不斷的唱衰台灣我給大家放一個影片這剛才在我前面 |
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柯家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有?從現在12點,今天的12點開始生效對嘛,我剛剛在下面聽有委員問你說要爭取要延緩生效,你還說你會盡量努力,我坐在下面聽完全聽不懂 |
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這樣而已,十八秒啦,他就是會笑話啦我那一陣子,我跟我們的郭部長說,我們就是要去請署啊既然我們賴總統已經說出我們從零關稅開始談判那就要爭取延緩嘛結果他在質詢的時候,他在笑咧在嬉笑說已經開始了,你看民進黨談判無力那甚至咧,看到了國民黨副總統候選人 |
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還在那邊講說要停止對美國的投資然後更多的國民黨立委跳出來說要對美國跟中國一樣採取報復性的一個關稅那我覺得這樣的一個心態就是要跟台灣、台牛做行動一樣到目前為止中國面對的美國關稅不是125%是145% |
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那甚至我們還看到了川普除了145%以外他還說你從中國小額包裹的關稅小額包裹就是那些小行的可能那些網購的東西有30% 要求來90%我都有看到 今天有一個所謂叫做120%所以他的小額包裹不只中國連包括香港小額包裹的處理的到美國的也要求120% |
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所以這對於這個中國面對的戰的一個他們要跟美國要對抗的一個結果台灣怎麼可以跟中國走一樣的路這件事情非常的嚴重所以我再次呼籲院長我們在談判的時候我們要站在台灣的基礎的一個立場我們如同賴總統所說的我們跟美國是民主夥伴我們應該要好好去談我們跟美國在產業上的一個互補我們跟美國很多產業我們可以互相幫忙但是 |
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如何守護好對於我們的產業的一個完整性這個是我們一定要堅持的沒有錯吧 |
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好 謝謝剛剛部長的那段答話我覺得態度非常正確就是在進行談判跟事先的溝通當中爭取不到最後關頭絕不放棄爭取平等互惠不到最後關頭也絕不放棄平等互惠那我們在台灣我們堅持我們就是台灣隊台灣就是世界隊就不會是中國隊我們對我們的席產地跟違規轉運等等的問題將來我們已經大力的來查緝事前事中事後一定嚴防這些事情讓全世界知道 |
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臺灣就是臺灣 院長你說的重點嘛 稀產地啦所以現在稀產地這件事就是說我們事實上看得到這一次的關稅雖然川普他花都花很快 可是我發現他還是一套邏輯你看看關稅課最重的包括柬埔寨49 包括越南46包括泰國的39 我們臺灣32也是重 |
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這中間都有帶有這幾個國家都是高度會被中國用貿易來影響也就是這些國家都很容易變成中國席產地的一個基地所以這幾個國家放棄了就不可以所以我們現在還看到國民黨陳玉珍的離島建設條例 |
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18條之一他為了便利大陸人民資金物品商品進出離島自由貿易示範區就是他的金門然後要鬆綁相關規定然後這些相關規定由金門縣政府來定義 |
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只給行政院中央備查就是他們要完全鬆綁相關的規定然後讓金門一咬爪變成我們台灣中國要把商品來台灣悉產地的後門會不會變這樣我們對於人流物流金流技術等等我們會嚴加的防範 |
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針對國家安全 經濟安全的威脅我們都要列為將來嚴格控管尤其剛剛齊展力未來經濟部一定是在這方面執行者是不是讓郭部長能夠來說明報告委員 我想經濟部的態度是這樣子對於這個不當轉運的貨物我們有五項措施第一個 加強對中國貨品進口台灣以及出口美國的監測 |
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第二個 加強對業者的宣導我們先宣導 讓他們知道那接下來建立違規業者的名單把他list up 然後不斷地去監測第四個 他如果再犯我們將採法重研第五個 我們現在在進行的有很多是運用反傾銷的措施然後我們充分地去調查防止中國到台灣來吸產地 |
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所以重點台灣如何嚴懲現在在國內有可能涉及到這個棲產地的這些企業就防止投機的企業第二個關於像這樣的離島建設條例我覺得我們一定要盯緊不能讓他通過那我想院長你在前陣子我們處理了一個來自中國的一個配偶一個叫雅雅雅雅被離開台灣的時候他講了一句話 |
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他說他要被推到萬劫不復的深淵這讓我想到 我就想說這一深淵日本就有一個漫畫叫做來自深淵 |
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這個來自深淵還有幾個定義意思是你去深淵裡面你就會受到深淵的詛咒你每要離開深淵十公尺往上升十公尺你就會受到各種不適應你到了第六層深淵的詛咒會讓你變成了叫做深海或者叫做慘末這個叫什麼慘劇周末這個來自深淵這個意思就是說 |
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他有他的漫畫,他是一個叫土比之人的漫畫但是當雅雅說他會被推到深淵,中國就是深淵你一旦跟中國過了太久,你就會被他綁住像現在很多台商,他的資金跑不出來 |
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像很多我們台灣的技術被中國拿去 他們用海盜版的國家傳播 大家卡閉嘴我們台灣的技術優勢沒有了所以這個 我覺得這個都很帶有很大的一些意涵就是我們台灣要小心我們就千萬我們的經濟 不可以去跟中國白做壞這個我想是很清楚的所以當國民黨在面對美國關稅的時候他不斷的在嘲諷我們政府之外他還推了幾個聲明其中有一個叫做開放入客 |
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我想要請教院長 到底開放入客跟美國跟我們課這個關稅 以及現在的關稅談判有什麼關係這有什麼關係嗎請教院長 因為我真的不知道這是長期以來我們在產業的經營上對中方過多依賴造成的一個結果但這幾年來我們認為雖然我們的觀光業者還是非常的辛苦但來自於天災地變的影響很大我們希望引進世界更多國家的國際友人來到台灣 |
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應該把台灣建設好台灣就成為一個吸收國際觀光旅遊的一個地方不是把市場放在這個台灣是歡迎全世界來嘛所以這要來台灣旅遊都很棒但是我們的市場我們自己要守護住嘛院長剛剛講的很有道理啦所以我覺得說面對現在我們在談判的這個90天那我想要具體跟院長提出兩個建議在面對談判的時候我們國內可以做什麼第一個就是我剛剛有講現在香港 |
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基本上美國對於香港已經不把它視為一個獨立的特區所以美國在於它的行政命令13936號行政命令他們說香港貨品不再獲得優惠的關稅以及香港在貿易出口的一個管制簽證要比照中國那原本香港製造叫做Make in Hong Kong現在都必須標誌為Make in China |
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那我想要跟部長說,現在我們台灣在面對香港製的商品的時候,一樣是Make in Hong Kong,不是Make in China。所以我覺得已經到了一個關鍵的時間點,就是檢討我們現在香港澳門的一個特殊條例的時刻了。 |
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那如果我們要處理這個港澳條例在處理香港的身份的時候難免會涉及到說人權畢竟很多香港的朋友們他們也不希望當中國人所以我們台灣是利用港澳條例給他們一些特殊的一些通關特殊的渠道但是咧 |
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如果像港澳條例31條關於香港人可以准用外國人投資跟結會的規定或者是港澳條例第35條這個港澳的貿易得以直接為之就是剛才我說的Make in 香港不是Make in China這兩條都要停止 |
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所以我具體跟院長堅決說依據港澳條例60條如果發生特殊的一個情況危害台灣地區的安全的時候行政院可以依這個60條停止本條例的一部分或者全部分停止之後再送給立法院來做追論 |
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那我想這個追亂也是給現在的藍白一個機會到底他還要繼續經濟跟中國綁在一起還是我們要對外宣示台灣不能變成中國洗產地的基地尤其他們都透過香港的投資來到台灣這件事應該要杜絕了好不好院長 |
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我尊重委員用這樣的方式在大院裡面取得協調的共識我也會要陸委會朝這個方向來做研議因為港澳問題它不能再用它的歷史因素來考量了它有它現在港澳跟中國之間跟過去不同的政治經濟地位的問題所以我們必須用現狀來考量據國家安全 經濟安全我希望香港跟我們的貿易不能變成一個劃外之地法的劃外之地 |
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那第二個我的一個建議因為我們接下來要跟美國擴大投資我們既然要擴大投資我們投資能源是一個很好的選項所以我們現在也有在阿拉斯加要跟美國共同開產能源我認為這件事情我們現在應該要提出特別預算要看看藍白要不要支持這個法案他們到底在台灣遇到危機的時候我們台灣遇到需要全國團結的時候藍白要不然我們站著會還是他要繼續的唱衰台灣抵制台灣 |
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好,謝謝蔡委員,謝謝左院長 |
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下一位請王宏威委員質詢好 謝謝主席我請卓院長 經濟部長 農業部長請備詢 |
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我首先要回應剛才前面兩位民進黨立委在質詢的時候對於包含在野政黨或者是我們的縣市首長積極回應這次美國高關稅的影響 |
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把他污名化成為是唱衰台灣或者刻意作對我覺得這是完完全全的抹黑完完全全的扭曲而且在現在一個國家危難當頭如果作為執政黨的委員還要繼續的在國內找敵人我覺得第一個這不但不能夠解決問題而且只是製造問題我想院長這幾天應該有很深的感受 |
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包含星期一我們這個院長邀請朝野政黨的黨團幹部我們都非常積極而且善意的前往而且針對行政院所提出來的相關的法案如果我們可以支持的我們立刻表達支持 |
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如果我們覺得有疑慮的地方我們也希望行政院來做說明跟再做研究我想院長應該有很深的體驗另外我們的在野的縣市首長積極的去回應在縣市內所有這些產業也好勞工也好 |
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他們的疑慮有何不對所以我在這邊首先要對這樣還在繼續的去抹黑繼續的在國內找敵人我認為七七以為不可這不是解決問題這是製造問題好我想先請教院長我們一直在關心我們跟美國的交涉那我也有注意到賴總統提到說我們會成為首波跟美國交涉的國家 |
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因為以現在來講起碼有75個國家要跟美國做交涉然後呢到昨天為止現在傳出的消息大概有15個國家已經分別在交涉也許還沒有成功比如說像越南雖然立刻打電話但是還沒有完全成功好 所以請問院長所謂的首播我希望我們都有科學的依據嘛 |
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所以如果还剩下60个国家的话请问一下我们是在前10个国家呢还是前20个国家然后最晚我们预定一个目标交涉的时间最晚在什么时间之前会达成 |
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好 報告委員75個國家或15個國家我想到目前我都還沒有看到哪一個國家說我已經談了什麼或我已經談到什麼都沒有一個國家主動這樣在說所以我想我們也不例外我們認為還沒有發生的事情我們讓他有醞釀的時間所以院長今天沒有辦法答覆我我們最晚 因為現在是有三個月還好有三個月的緩衝期 |
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所以沒有辦法答覆我別說起碼我在4月20號之前或在4月底之前我至少可以跟美國完成第一波交涉可以嗎我講說第一波交涉第一波交涉什麼時候開始什麼時候結束我想也沒有任何一個國家知道還是沒有時間表我只能說我昨天在行政院會對我說的我們會再爭取最佳最快的時間 |
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向美國做出最直接跟有力的交涉好 那另外其實今天大家這兩天大家非常關心賴總統投書的賴四條我想一個一個的來做一個理解第一個就是之前就講我們要從零關稅談起因為那天到行政院我也特別講那個報告裡面完全沒有零關稅可是這個零關稅談起事實上引起高度的重視 |
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那我想請問一下我們農業部部長農業產品會不會談零關稅我跟委員報告第一件事情就是農產業跟工商業的產業是不一樣的農產業本身我們未來在跟美國做談判跟溝通的時候一定會秉持著要維持我們產業的穩定跟永續發展 |
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不排除有農業產品從離關稅談起是這個意思嗎我跟你講我們農業的產品以現在的稅者號列裡面是157項但是157項裡面有一些是我們產業非常重要的那這個重要的我們希望說能夠繼續維持 |
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我为什么特别讲因为我们对美国来台湾的农业产品贸易加权平均税率是9.3%距离零关税事实上有9.3%我们的工业产品是1.4%当然每一个产业不一样所以它区域零关税是比较接近 |
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農業產品事實上它的稅率是差距很大我在這邊具體的來做建議因為我們對美的這個產品農業只佔1%工業產品佔99%所以我在這邊具體的建議先排除農業產品 |
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先排除農業產品因為我覺得要跟農民先做充分的對話好來第二點我們要增加對美採購2000億美元這個是我們部長在立法院也做答詢請問買什麼東西部長 |
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買什麼東西 這個因為是談判的籌碼所以抱歉 現在不能夠大躍大躍就是我們需要的什麼樣項目啊我們國內有需要的包括能源相關的產品還有只買能源能源或者科技的產品剛才的農業的產品擴大農產品的採購 |
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我們農業部長都沒有講,因為我時間有限,我讓經濟部長講一講。我剛才已經跟你們報告了。就這樣啦?這是什麼答案?好,我要特別講,我也做一個具體建議,因為剛才那個院長也特別提到,就是我們會參與美國阿拉斯加的天然氣開發, |
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这个开发案过去就有他们也跟日韩兜售了很久日本韩国恐怕这一次也没有办法阻挡我了解但是我在这边提醒以我们现在中油已经累计亏损高达691亿元我希望这个投资也好或者采购也好不能够再增加中油的亏损我的具体的建议和要求 |
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請你們在評估的過程裡面考慮到國營事業台電已經被搞到累積虧損超過4000億我不希望再看到中油也變成一個錢坑另外一個錢坑這是我具體建議好再來增加對美國投資這個是無法避免的尤其台積電已經宣布其實我們現在還有投審會這一關照理說 |
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我們投選會進一步投選會不能應該變成虛設可是我們現在關心的問題是一哥台積電到美國投資兩千億美元那麼很多人擔心變成美積電好現在又傳出我們的二哥半導體二哥聯電 |
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也可能會做合併雖然部長我也注意到你說這是不可能的事情可是常常我們官員中不可能的事情最後都變成可能了例如台積電所以二哥聯電現在也被人稱之為會變成美聯電好再來我們更擔心的是早在今年二月份我們很多的科技產業的代工廠集體到美國 |
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然後因為美國不僅僅只是要求只是要台積電跟聯電而已因為我們自己也講了我們要組成這個台美聯隊嘛所以現在德州希望打造德州竹科我們更擔心的是不是只有一哥二哥去連整個科學園區會不會也都搬到美國所以在整個增加對美投資裡面 |
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產業會被出走形成台灣產業空洞化第二個能不能跟流台灣院長部長我希望在這個部分也請你們能夠做評估因為我知道你現在全部的時間是放在怎麼去對美國交涉這個我能理解 |
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可是如何避免台灣的產業出走產業空洞化如何讓我們的產業能夠跟流台灣這是非常重要的事情請做評估好另外院長 |
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我們總統特別提到非關稅貿易障礙我想直接因為其實非關稅貿易障礙美國一直常年指責我們是很多項我在這邊具體的請教其中有一個是根據是我們的食品安全也就是針對美牛美豬當然不是只有針對美國就是豬肉 |
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牛肉要標示產地美國認為這是一個非關稅貿易障礙所以請問一下這個我們會不會讓 |
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好 我剛剛提到很多問題啦這個先問 因為我時間有限這個我就是非關稅貿易障礙其實我覺得這個問題很大啦並不亞於我們的關稅稅率我請教一下這是我們很多的民眾關係的食安問題所以標示美豬美牛也不是只有標因為他們還要標示啊別說你是澳洲的啊來自於西班牙什麼東西之類好 有關於產品 |
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牛豬的標示我們會不會因為因此而取消第一個考慮到國人的健康再來國內市場消費的習慣但是如果我們也有國際的 |
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標準跟經過科學的證據我想要橫平起來考量就是說如果是一個國際社會共同的標準那在台灣我們如何在國人健康跟消費市場習慣上面做怎麼樣的一個區別這不是現在用這樣子來對話因為主角不在現場主角的一方不在現場這必須是談判的過程我們據理力爭台灣有台灣國內的狀況 |
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所以其實我覺得賴總統投書我認為有很大的問題因為非關稅貿易障礙我必須講如果非關稅貿易障礙那麼容易解決的話馬總統時代就會解決蔡英文總統時代也可以解決如果那麼容易解決的話 |
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其實之前的總統政府都已經可以解決這個就牽涉到很多我們民眾不管我這邊沒有談到的比如稻米的問題對不對還有檢驗的問題但是對一般老百姓認為我要知道來自我吃的豬肉 |
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牛肉應該要標示產地我長期在餐廳也看到標示我長期到超市也看到標示然後現在美國人告訴我不能標示我們能不能讓我覺得這個部分一定要有社會的對話這一點其實那天在行政院裡面我也特別講院長希望我們能支持但是我說我們沒有辦法現在就說yes因為如果沒有社會對話我們沒有辦法面對廣大的國人 |
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還有一個是很多家長非常關心的現在基改食品不能夠進入校園事實上我們是有法有名定我們是法的規定因為保障我們營養午餐孩子的食安所以這一項其實也長期被美國人認為是非關稅貿易障礙 |
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一直要求我們不能對基改食品有任何的歧視包含這個關稅的這個科目還有就是在校園的禁止所以我請問院長有沒有可能在這次談判裡面我們會把開放校園能夠讓基改食品進入校園這一點會不會放基本的原則跟我剛剛答覆的一樣不過我也知道大院裡面的委員會目前也在審慎的在評估甚至做這個 |
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對這案子本身提出一些建議我們會看這個建議的內容我們來所以我的結論是不要隨便一下就說我們可以去取消非關稅貿易障礙沒有跟民眾的對話我認為這是極為危險的事情台北之間的非關稅貿易障礙 |
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範圍也是蠻大的有一些部分我們可以衡量雙方對等互惠的關係我要講其實你可以看到我提到的這些項目是一般消費者一般民眾有些是基於產業上的考量我這邊提到的都是一般民眾在心理上跟他們在食安上是難以接受的所以這一點我不希望我們立刻就什麼全部都讓出去 |
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我們全部都讓出去的話我覺得我們沒有辦法對這些消費者跟家長來交代好另外很重要的我們在這次的所謂的對內支援也就是紓困方案裡面當然理解但是主要是在於 |
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因為關稅而受創的這些產業但是我們有很多的服務業他們同時他們也是會間接的受影響譬如說觀光業因為大家已經開始評估這是全球評估不是台灣因為整個受到 |
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美国高关税的影响可能都影响全球的旅游市场所以我在这边具体的建议希望当行政院提出整个纾困方案的时候能够把观光业纳入 |
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因為我們去年本來我們的目標一千萬塊根本達不成今年第一季應該可以成長但是我看這樣子一半夯上來但又很難所以我們現在有五十年旅行社都已經倒閉了大家都苦撐待變所以希望能把觀光業納入紓困的項目另外一個具體的台鐵能不能動漲院長 |
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30年沒有調漲我了解但選在這個時間6月23號調漲請問一下台鐵可不可以研究暫時動漲 |
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好 謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長 還有各位首長下一位我們請邱志偉委員質詢好 謝謝主席 有請行政院卓院長 |
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邱委員好邱委員好邱委員長辛苦了大家都辛苦了天有不適風雲,能有旦夕後福國家一定會面臨到相對的挑戰對不對 |
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也有似乎會變成危機危機是轉機好的政府要能了解危機的所在要能提出有效的方法所以這一次的川普對的關稅我想事出必有因就是貿易失衡貿易失衡他的整個經濟會受到影響他的就業機會受到影響所以他用很多的方式包括關稅來平衡他的貿易的失衡對不對 |
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所以它是一個任何的對外經貿政策它的核心決定是現實主義現在不存在理想主義啦你同意嗎?現實主義的核心是什麼?就國家利益你要達成國家利益每個領導者有他不同的思維跟做法川普的思維他是第二任對不對?他第一任到第二任他的思維的邏輯是他是有常態性的變動或變動性的常態化 |
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他要營造什麼不曉得他在想什麼沒有人可以知道他在想什麼知道最後一刻他要營造什麼他要營造天威難測 |
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因為美國是當前最強的國家嘛 對不對所以他透過跟所有的主要貿易國利用關稅的方式但我認為很多都是演習從4月2號他發布行政命令從4月5號他公布主要的貿易順沙國還有額外科徵11%到50%的稅率4月9號他又說暫緩90天 對不對 |
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唯一執行上路是哪一個國家唯一執行關稅有上路是哪一個國家中國一百二十五%對不對所以這個全球貿易戰它是劍指中國其他的我覺得只是貿易戰的一演習九十天你本來台灣是初步核定三十二 |
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他核定的標準大概很清楚就是我們對美的貿易順差他希望透過關稅來平衡對台灣排美的貿易的這個失衡狀況所以這種情況之下未來90天是非常非常的關鍵可操之在己的部分 院長 |
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我認為可操之在我們政府可以取決的繼續來強化台灣農工產業的國際競爭力另外繼續均衡不是台灣而已要均衡全球的貿易市場加強全球的貿易行銷第三個繼續要全面盤點對當前農工產品的關稅的稅率 |
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沒有錯吧然後要繼續強化政府國際經貿談判的能力跟人力這是可操縱在我們部分那另外當然我要想請教一些比較具體的問題好這個最壞的狀況90天之後他用32%的稅率來實施我們當然不希望這種情況最壞的scenario是這樣子 |
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那我們目前穩定的措施有20項的這個措施用881對不對那您的說法是用各部會用相關的預算來移緩季節那會不會派到相關政策的推動我是說在特別條例特別預算還沒有 |
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完全通過之前 目前已經產生的產業界的任何的傷害你的意思是說880億 880億在還沒有特別預算通過之前先用移緩季節的方式部會內部的預算移緩季節到最後還是要用特別預算來通過這880億因為這規模相當龐大另外10年之內你要對美的採購金額請經濟部郭部長 |
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經濟部郭部長請郭部長部長的說法是10年之內要2000億美金對不對大概就是6.5兆的規模那一年是多少一年是6500億對美國採購這已經是政府的政策嗎 |
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我們從去年開始就認為把美國當作一個國際市場那我們能夠對美國增加採購也是基於國家各種的需求跟產業的需求所以去年就開始做一些清單的盤整 |
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所以未來十年會執行每年6500億對美國採購嗎這是經濟部跟民間跟我們國營事業盤整出來的一個結果目前的這是我們的意向嘛 對不對我作為一個國營員我要監督這個預算的執行跟編列嘛所以我們6500億怎麼來呢這是政府跟國營事業對美國的採購的規劃金額6500億我6500億請教部長6500億裁員在哪裡呢 |
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基本上還是如果是我們的企業嘛就企業就買進來賣的所以他當然是有財源不是你說的是政府跟國營企業加強對美國包括能源包括這個軍售這些要花這個兩千億美金我們所盤點出來的是國營企業 |
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跟相關的這個周邊的企業他的需求你沒有淘到民間喔我很注意看你主持人的說法民間的我們還沒有算啊只有政府跟國民事業要投兩千億美金在未來十年對不對十年啊因為十年一年是六千五百億耶這規模很大不是每一年平均的嘛 |
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我們買LNG回來他會再賣出去所以這個基金是滾動的我們這個其實都有盤點過我們跟美國買東西不一定要自己用我也買 因為我買大包對不對 |
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我相信美國看到這個數字一定會很開心嘛那我站在一個這個國議院我會憂心說財源夠不夠另外這個包括外交部這個林部長也包括這個談判辦談判辦今天是楊談判總代表就是跟美國要磋商或談判已經掛號掛號是什麼意思 |
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就是在75個國家是貿易代表署還是跟他們具體哪一個單位沒有沒有就在75個國家裡面的優先的這個國家的排序掛號要有大咧當然不是那種形式上的掛號只是我們接觸的過程當中已經得到這樣的訊息我們可以在優先的國家裡面來談判是跟哪一個單位在掛號是白宮的幕僚內閣還是國際貿易代表署 |
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我跟委員說明我們駐美代表處都有跟美國政府有聯繫也表達了不只是公開的總統的談話或者是我們經貿談判辦公室希望跟他們建立談判的管道也就雙邊關心的議題都有在交換意見 |
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所以未來90天一定會有具體的談判的單位具體的談判的時程會有談判的計畫會有談判的成果對 就是在協調中接下來我要請教一下這個央行楊總裁另外這個央行陳總裁跟央行的這個楊總裁跟這個金管會彭主委金管會彭主委預備請 |
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時間過得很快我想請教一下院長跟總裁我們把美債作為談判的籌碼談判小組裡面有沒有包括央行就有了解是沒有您的建議是說美債作為談判的籌碼 |
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是一個可以思考是你贊成能不能跟你說得更清楚你是要買新的美債持高它的持股的水位還是要用去現有的美債去換它未來更多的無息的美債沒有 |
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那個委員在質詢我的時候,他只是說我們持有美債,那因為我們持有美債的時候呢,說實在的是因為美國逆差,美國逆差的時候呢,我們去購買他的美債呢,是可以降低他的融資成本。 |
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那如果說從這個觀點來看的話我們也是對他有貢獻的那我們要怎麼做我們具體的做所以他就是說他質詢我的時候呢我就說這個也可以喔這個idea也是很好我只是這麼說而已所以沒有具體內容 |
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具體內容就是說我們可以跟他說因為我們持有他的美債數量也蠻龐大的我們大概80%以上都是持有美國債券的是談判的籌碼還是談判的手段那手段跟籌碼大概是差不多吧 |
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我也說有沒有新的做法因為這個是idea而已啦他做這樣的一個質詢的時候我認為就是說他的這個好像也是可以啊那這個是一個idea嘛那你要怎麼給這個談判小組一個建議怎麼善用美在這個工具我看看如果說他們覺得就是說這個如果說這個是值得去談判的時候那我們可以提供我們的數據給他 |
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好 謝謝楊總裁金管會的部分怎麼樣落實執行金融知識產業方案彭主委你大概提出幾個包括就有貸款的展言強化信訪基金的能量這些我想這個我都了解你要怎麼具體落實相關的銀行能夠確實達到你的政策的目標 |
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是 報告委員我想我們大概其實我們在過去最近一次經驗就是我們在疫情時候相關的措施那我們在下禮拜我們大概就會邀集銀行來針對這部分針對這一次的這個方案怎麼樣去做延展主委我提醒您特別是中小微企業因為我的選區你知道金屬、鉤建、鋼鐵都是中小型企業傳統產業他們有跟我澄清變成一個平台 |
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包括貸款的展延或者是融資的問題我也只能請你們多幫忙所以這部分你要有更多的窗口讓他們及時能夠找到主管機關能夠解決他們的問題 |
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這也是我們接下來努力的方向我想這部分我們已經會立刻展開行動然後再跟銀行這邊 銀行公會這邊謝謝來執行這項工作謝謝洪主委 謝謝我們楊總裁另外就是說我們加強對美國的採購國防預算GDP整體我們的目標是3美國相關的主管人員也認為說應該跟美國一樣到3.4院長你認為到3.4有沒有困難 |
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我們基於自己國家財政能力的評估以及我們現在需要的國防力量跟我們能夠採購的對象項目我們認為如果在今年這個年度依照總統所說的 往3%的目標來前進的話我們是足以來宣竿 也是國家最需要的目標就是到3% 下一屆到3.4%另外就是說除了軟體硬體 |
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做軍事的設備之外相當於軍事服務的採購這個部分能不能再強化軍事服務的採購 |
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我希望國防預算的定義他應該也不是那麼侷限比方說像有些國家包括美國他把退伍軍人的一些福利都放下去了那軍事服務的軍事的服務項目我認為這個也應該是廣泛計算在裡面那如果是連動性很強的我想我們會盡力爭取就整個我提供一個訊息就是說我們跟美國的軍事的採購有兩種管道一個是商售DCS 一個是軍售FMS 對不對 |
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軍售是不包括對美採購的金額裡面商售是可以 對不對所以未來我們不需要軍售是不是可以改成商售比如說它不是尖端或者是機敏性的軍事設備不是F35類似或者是可以軍民共用或者我們已經有在地的國防業者國防產業也是信賴產業 對不對我們很多包括我選舉的漢翔也是國營企業 |
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所以有很多優質的廠商我是覺得如果用商售的管道所以這部分我可能要請院長去注意一下可以用商售的就這樣用商售容許這個部分我們將來在談的過程當中我們一一來清點把它的性質種類品項分清楚我了解很多軍方各軍種他們的本位主義說他還是希望用軍售 |
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我不曉得什麼原因啦這個他們可能有他們的看法但是為了平衡對美國貿易的這個順差那個你從均壽可以均壽把它轉成商售那當然是好的一個途徑嘛這個委員放心政府是一體的國家的利益是唯一的我們用這個方向來想好最後30秒就是投資台灣啦投資台灣三大方案那個從2019開始到2021然後要繼續延三年到2020年底嘛那現在我們把這個 |
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資格把他放到全球的台商對不對全球台商都可以回來然後給他更多的這些優惠那投資台灣三大方案現在我看到所有網站裡面都沒有更新資料啊喔 對不起那我們要求馬上來做是不是很具體讓這些全球台商想要回來的能夠知道政府新的內容我都看不到耶主要都看不到好 謝謝謝謝院長辛苦了好 謝謝邱委員謝謝卓院長 |
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下一位我們請吳宗憲委員質詢吳宗憲委員質詢完畢,我們休息五分鐘謝謝主席我們要請院長、經濟部長及農業部長左院長、經濟部長、農業部長請備詢 |
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吳委員好院長及兩位部長好 辛苦你們了我想說我這邊先直接就開始談我想距離美國要實施對等關稅的日期還有89天我想這暴風雨就在我們的前面我們沒有辦法阻止這個壞事不發生至少我們能夠讓它的影響能夠降到最低 |
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我想在清明年假的時候那時候我們突然得到這個訊息就是美國要對台灣要課這個對等關稅高達32%那民進黨從上到下簡單來說就是我們看動漫的說就是咖啡吧啦啦一下就是呆若木雞這個的反應那國人更是嚇傻 |
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但是後來因為那個新加坡總理他一個短銀其實在國內是瘋傳嘛那時候我們就回過頭來看看到底我們的政府是不是有像新加坡政府一樣知道自己要做什麼而且一個緊急的去面對但是呢當我們很期待政府有一些比較很好的作為的情況下但是我們卻看到我們今天面對的是他所提出來的東西還是跟以前一樣那即使呢在過去有 |
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府院那個還有一些國安人員等等的人他們不停的出來洗地那在這樣的情況下其實我們得到的答案還是一樣就是再怎麼樣還是一個880億的一個方案並沒有一個新的東西出來能夠讓我們非常的耳目一新那台灣人民也給了民進黨政府7萬9千多個小時來準備但是我們看到的還是一千零一招就是補貼啦 |
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那其實關稅這個牽連非常的廣不會像有些人說那關稅 增加關稅跟國民黨什麼關係不會有人這樣子 這個是很奇怪的一個論點所以我們看 森林紡織的那個董事長他在接受那個記者詢問的時候他就有講 他說這一次這個所謂的政府的這個方案其實對於傳產根本沒有幫助 |
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而且這是一個借錢將來還是得還沒有訂單公司還是走不下去所以訂單是企業能夠活下去的唯一一個方式有健全的市場才會有穩定的訂單我想之前蔡英文總統在競選連任的時候她已經一直不停的吹捧跟美國之間的良好關係甚至講了一副好像我們的FTA快要簽了但是這麼多年過去了我們什麼也都沒有簽 |
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那賴總統在上任的時候也一直說他跟美國的關係非常的好但是呢到今天我們換到的是一個對等關稅高達32%所以 |
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我今天是想要請教三個問題想跟院長以及兩位部長確認一下我們先請經濟部長回答一下好了我三個問題第一個問題是2月14號賴清德總統在召開國安會議的時候他有提出了一個全球半導體民主供應鏈夥伴倡議請問這個倡議我們可以阻止什麼以及 |
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減少影響什麼這是我第一個問題那如果您要抄可以抄第二個問題3月6號台積電的董事長魏哲嘉在總統府跟我們的總統召開記者會他說明對美投資千億美元的這個過程 |
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那總統特別強調沒有來自於美國的壓力在台積電赴美投資的這個行為中但是呢後來川普卻打臉他說當初跟台積電說如果不來我要收你百分之百的關稅所以顯然我們的政府不是全然沒有掌握清楚他就是選擇性的在隱匿某一些事情所以本席要再確認一件事情就是到底啊媒體報導說台積電跟Intel這個要聯手 |
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這個是真還是假到底部長有沒有掌握這個訊息那第三個就是4月9號部長你曾經在經濟委員會說聯電跟全球第五大晶圓代工廠美商格羅方德合併美聯電這個傳聞是不可能的那請問部長您真的有掌握百分之百不可能變成美聯電嗎請部長說明這三個問題報告委員基本上對於這種路邊社的傳聞我們是不予評論 |
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我用比較理智的分析它是不可能的跟委員報告就是這個樣子不管是Global Foundries或者是Intel的事情這個都是傳聞我為什麼跟你講我可以決定說它不可能 |
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因為他們要去投資必須要經過我們的投選會剛我們講的除了這個之外還有一些什麼全球半導體民主供應鏈的夥伴倡議這個東西到底可以阻止什麼全球半導體因為台灣最大的公司就是台積電 |
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我們在台灣台積電為什麼會選擇台積電張忠謀董事長曾經講過他選擇台灣是因為他萬一有一些事情要支援的時候兩個小時就可以到他的這個場域任何一個場北部中部南部他的供應鏈要去服務他的場也是兩個小時就可以到所以我們希望讓全球半導體這個領域裡面的供應鏈 |
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這個供應鏈在所有的民主聯盟裡面因為為什麼美國一直認為說我們對這個出國管制上面要再多努力因為我們在台灣離這個中國比較近所以有一些業者他們可能轉口到新加坡或轉口到馬來西亞進到中國這個是美國所扛剩的 |
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所以我們為了要保持我們在半島領先的位置所以供應鏈一定要留在台灣還有可以減少影響什麼那我們聽不到我想說這個政策的宣講我看就算了我就不再多請教您了其實我自己看來總統在國安會議的時候會提到說要提出這個夥伴的倡議 |
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這個很顯然我們就可以合理的懷疑其實似乎早就知道我們的半導體供應鏈似乎可能有外移的風險否則怎麼會在國安會議去提這個我想說你們在面對這次半導體的問題我就找一個零分的卷碼不是刻意蓋題不寫就是你們根本不知道怎麼去回答這個問題 |
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好 那另外我再請教一下就是說之前經濟部有提出一個就是美國如果提高關稅對我們個別產業評估跟影響裡面有提到半導體還有網通業有14大產業但是我看過那個資料裡面講的 |
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大部分都是持續評估中或是將持續觀察結果我們這次以為說這次對等關稅會有一個很嚴謹的準備結果透過柯總召我們知道原來我們的預測竟然是極大的失準那再來呢我們也沒有看到政府機關對於這個關稅的意義我們當然要持續評估 |
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我們這個是動態的評估啦動態的評估沒有辦法在動態進行過程中就可以知道那個final是什麼再來美國貿易代表組其實有提到就是2025年他們對台灣認為有三大的貿易壁壘我想時間的關係我就提供數據給你們好了啦我想因為每次我問東你們就答西啦 |
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28861.528 |
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我想經濟部長你昨天在委員會的諮詢有提到如果我們立刻降汽車的關稅這可能會有十多萬的從業人員會大量的失業那之前也有立委包括民黨立委有提到希望調降汽車的關稅但是呢 |
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經濟部的回應是說這樣會衝擊會讓國家的稅收損失會到523億到600億甚至這個計算還沒有加入上游的一些供應鏈另外車輛工會的評估如果國產廠商關閉造成零組件的廠商外移的話這個產值會到847億 |
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那從業人員大概是8.26萬人所以我想光是汽車業損失就847.74億那行政院這個880億不知道是怎麼來的請問一下我想請問你們這880億是自己估算出來的還是真的有看我沒有估這個請問你引述的這些資料是從哪裡得到的 |
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沒關係啊 因為你們就有一些對外的新聞稿裡面新聞的部分 委員你是不是新聞的部分你如果是這樣子的話 可以跟我們直接要好 那沒關係喔 我們來跟你做一個比較具體的報告新聞的報告 新聞的部分我想我們比較沒有辦法提問另外我再請教一下就是說因為賴總統他有說我們這一次我們應對的方式就是加大採購 零關稅以及過去設廠嘛 |
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其實就這三招啊 其實這三招每一招其實對台灣的傷害都很重委員您在院內的言論也許可以不負責但是你不可以不求證另外我想再提一下稻米的部分我也再說明一下因為你們一直在強調零關稅我想零關稅對農業的傷害很重剛剛幾個委員都有提到這個部分 |
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從零關稅開始談當然我們非常期望關稅越低越好但是我想說不管從零關稅開始談還是低關稅對於我們的農業一定會有某程度的影響那我自己看了一下稻米的部分因為我看了稻作協會的前理事長陳彥清他有說到水稻產業鏈很龐大 |
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那個央苗啦到農機啦到肥料啦農藥等等加工運輸他說從業人員大概至少30萬那如果美國他現在進口的稻米我大概看了一下資料他說平均的售價大概是每公斤大概30元可是我們台灣的產米大概50元那這樣子會不會造成將來在購買米的時候大家都挑票我跟委員報告現在目前我們在配額內的六萬四千噸裡面是零關稅的 |
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第二個部分就是零關稅並不一定是不好的如果它對台灣的產業是有利的那我們一定爭取零關稅像黃曉玉我們需要這些飼料的話我們都希望零關稅但是如果說我們產業是很有競爭力的部分我們就不希望有太高的關稅你們很多人講的嘛 |
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那個被加重相對應關稅到三級對台灣不見得是壞事這個是貴黨有蠻多人都講過這句話那我想時間的關係我想還有雞肉牛奶等等都有很多問題我想我就不再多說了啦不管怎麼樣就是我覺得我相信我們台灣還是能夠挺過 |
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一波一波的危機啦但是前提是政府一定要做好準備因為過去的時代裡面我最近看了很多一些台灣的一些過去的傳記在過去的時代裡面其實我們面臨過退出聯合國跟日本斷交跟美國斷交還有兩次的石油危機這些都是考驗台灣人的韌性還有耐力 |
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不能這個考驗法這種考驗法太殘酷了你這樣考驗台灣的人太殘酷了不用再跟我講那些了您是米朗大哥其實我以前是非常尊重尊敬您的現在也是尊敬1973年其實那個時候我們經歷過石油危機你知道當時經濟部長是誰 |
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那時候經濟部長叫做孫運璿他在面對石油危機的時候他的處理模式就是他趕快想辦法問了一下駐沙烏地阿拉伯的大使館誰才受國王的信任那大使館跟他說當時的秘書長很受信任所以孫運璿他趕快就做功課然後去找當時曾經來台灣拜訪過而且是他的朋友的那個計畫部長還有那個工商部長透過他們去找到這個秘書長然後來去 |
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列起管道然後來跟國防見面委員這個你也是事後才知道的當時你也沒有辦法知道啊當時的努力你也沒有辦法知道啊等等跟沙烏地阿拉伯的合作讓他們對我們有非常好的好感那當然他對外還說其實台灣是他們的朋友那讓台灣後來他也是在那個先運跟進運之外就沒有列入先運跟進運 |
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那他回到國內其實當時物價一直在飆漲因為我看到那個書裡面有人提到說一個鞋廠的老闆說他裝鞋的盒子早裝完價格都不一樣所以他也有一連串這個意志物價通膨等等的做法那我想那個孫盈璇這是前院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
29188.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
以前說過說他六個孩子有四個是跟太太生的另外兩個台電跟公園院我們都知道公園院他所孕育出來的機體電路王國在這一次事情之後也許就悄悄的就被送走了那當然 |
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我想這個是我們心裡難過的一件事徐委員你難過什麼事你難過什麼事要讓我們知道我來化解你的難過你一直難過下去大家都不舒服我絕對不是聽聽謊言就可以解決我心中不難過身為法律人你這樣的講話我是在很難溝通如果你在這樣我要請主席停止時間 |
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我覺得院長兩位部長我還是很尊敬你們都是國家的棟樑這個我絕對不會否認 |
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像我們常講一句話責任日語言典型在素行這文天祥、鄭氣歌這兩句話其實都會讓我們去想想前人包括民進黨的前輩們其實對我們的影響他們的風骨以及他們對國家的貢獻所以我才踏入政界一年但是我這一年剛好在政治這個核心裡面看到國家的一些趨勢一些困境那我想其實我們還是要團結我希望說能夠放下鬥爭停止罷免 |
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然後你想想前人吧 想想人民吧我覺得我們台灣需要是大團結不是大罷免我們不要在同胞裡面找敵人因為我們其實是戰友我們對台灣我們兩個是戰友而不是敵人我覺得我還是蠻希望院長能夠聽聽我這個晚輩的一句話團結吧 團結吧 團結吧 |
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好 謝謝吳委員 謝謝卓院長我們休息五分鐘 休息之後繼續進行質詢 現在休息 |
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發言會現在繼續開會 請中委員嘉賓質詢 |
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主席 在場委員先進 列席的政府局院首長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生先有請行政院卓院長那因為總談判代表楊政委員不能上台就請我們國發會劉主委那另外經濟部跟農業部長昨天聽過了我就不請了但是可以幫助我們院長的協助一下那另外也請我們彭金榮彭主委呢代表金管會來上台一共三位卓院長還有劉主委跟彭主委 |
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好來請卓院長、劉主委、彭主委要不要等一下那個主席,因為彭主委還沒回來我們休息時間不夠,廁所太小他還在休息,進來了嗎?還沒?彭主委有在會場嗎?有 |
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那沒關係我就先開始啦那他回來就請他上來不好意思謝謝中委好院長好主委好關稅站為中美元自貿區 |
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同盟成形啊外銷呢要防洗產地內需要降產業衝擊好 來 左院長接下來我要跟你請教的事情跟各位首長請教的事情呢您可以多看一下這個簡報比較容易一目了然那我就請教一下請問您認為川普的關稅清單是目的還是手段 |
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他透過關稅是要達到他的一個對國家經濟安全的目的所以可能是一個手段好我們看看他開出的清單當中台灣上一頁台灣是十大貿易逆差國的第六名結果排名第一的中國也被開了34%但是中國堅決反制所以他報復提到84%結果很清楚最近我們看到了除了中國之外 |
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其他的國家都可以等你90天用10%來計算往下看好 那麼對中國的目的是圍堵對其他的國家只要求你來談判我們看到川普他說你中國不公平貿易啊說要跟你加徵關稅欸 達到目的啦現在中國跟他彼此一個是145啊一個是84啊但是他對其他的貿易對手國他說我要跟你加徵關稅但是如果你同意對等關稅0也可以 是不是這樣子 |
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他的邏輯是不是這樣?大體上是他認為可以跟他繼續談判雙方平等互惠的原則底下對等之下可能零都可以對等但是有一個國家馬上跳出來說我願意零叫越南但是呢白宮的高級顧問納瓦羅說啊越南不是零就了事喔因為你們有什麼傾銷跟出國補貼涉及到非關稅欺騙您了解他說的非關稅欺騙是越南什麼事嗎? |
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那應該指的就是違規轉運息產地息產地好往下看所以我們零關稅同盟一旦成行唯獨中國產生的結果首先美中之間已經有關稅的壁壘美國的東西賣不到中國去中國的貨品也賣不到美國來但是中國貨品在美國市場的地位被這些去中的自由貿易同盟所取代同時美國雖然貨賣不到中國去也可以賣給這些自由貿易同盟是不是這樣子出口暢旺 |
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反而這個同盟之間貿易往來是不是更創旺 是不是這樣應該是這樣 我想好 是這樣但是呢 美國不是這樣而已喔他說 欸 你不是跟我互相領關稅而已啊你也要對中國超關稅 超高關稅而且呢 你對於特殊商品呢 要管制晶片你不能跟我美國買了 賣到中國去 是不是這樣子所以還有附帶條件 |
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所以在這種前提之下,越南縱使零關稅,一樣要嚴防中國製品透過供應鏈。台灣有這個問題,因為在川普2.0的關稅戰當中,中國就提出他的單車可以牽到哪裡?台灣、越南、馬來西亞、柬埔寨跟印度,是不是這樣子? |
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好 那請問一下台灣有沒有可能成為中國製品席產地透過供應鏈銷到美國去有沒有可能對未來的這種情勢的發展我們已經設想到在未來會嚴密的嚴控有五大方案嘛這五大方案夠不夠 |
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方案是方案 臨時變動的應該會是很多各種手段會不斷的推陳出新我跟您提醒一下 我這幾年常去越南有台商的電子廠在越南的河內弄一個組裝廠他從中國那邊把原來在中國昆山蘇州的貨供應鏈的貨都用陸運24小時送抵河內關鍵的切面從台灣去出口當然是打著越南的Mark |
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那這裡面他這些其他在中國的供應鏈這些廠商透過入運這是美國疑慮的地方因為越南跟中國的入運的海關資料不透明但是如果說台灣的晶片賣到了檳城檳城從世界各國拿了零組件透過國際的港部跟航商美國知道你檳城馬來西亞賣給我的有多少成分來自哪裡是不是這樣子 |
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所以越南是美國最嚴格防止的台灣要繼續的嚴格防止洗產地對不對好往下看 |
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所以呢我們除此之外我們還要政策採購改善台美的貿易的差額首先在零關稅之後本來黃小玉牛肉我們就擴大進口嘛對不對那如果不受關稅影響的像軍備像火雞台灣人不吃美國的火雞肉關稅零也沒有差所以這個是屬於政策決定你會政策決定叫去買美國的火雞肉嗎會不會如果沒有那個市場 |
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那會不會增加跟美國買軍備 譬如說買F-35可不可以就要考慮我們的財政跟國防的需要好 有需要 好那最後哪一種剛性需求就是本來就要用天然氣都要用LNG另外呢 我們的波音客機Airbus最近華航才簽了Airbus簽了實價這個可不可以改跟美國買 有人在討論 對不對天然氣本來跟澳洲買可不可以考慮跟美國買 有沒有考慮我們正在盤點這些個未來可以擴大 把美國當作一個世界市場 |
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儘管這樣子擴大採購我們來看一下但是你們現在880億他的思維呢工業製品700億農業180億是針對出口還是針對進口 |
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不是針對產業的協助產業出口遇到阻礙高關稅阻礙協助產業升級我瞭解協助產業向外擴展市場主要目的是針對這些出口產業遇到高關稅的阻礙後我們要輔導他嘛但是如果是零關稅的話方向跟對象要反過來了要去思考這些會被美國進口的產品所取代的產業是不是這樣子 |
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理論上是這樣是這樣那我們來看一下農產品好了農產品目前我們從美國進口這五大項當中黃小玉不用說牛肉不用說有沒有注意到雞肉是一個項目因為雞肉我們本國產的四成美國進口的35%但是如果說關稅從20%調下來你覺得雞肉會不會受到影響 |
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會不會最可能受到的影響就是雞肉就是怎麼樣美國的零關稅進口來的雞肉取代了本土的雞肉是不是所以除了這個之外還有什麼農產品會受到零關稅的進口影響 |
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我跟委員報告齁 就是我昨天已經問過你了 我要聽聽院長的齁 院長我們現在的稻米是這樣子齁我們自產一百一十五萬公噸在WTO的配額之下呢十四萬公噸以內是零關稅美國已經賣了六萬多公噸了平均銷價二十九元 零關稅如果現在美國對我們是零關稅這二十九塊就是軍價但是我們自產的稻米呢是五十塊一公斤所以會不會受影響如果是這樣的 |
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關稅的調整跟結果當然是受影響的所以請你指示旁邊的農業部部長剛才的880億其中的110億對120億呢180億本來是要協助出口受挫的現在要調整思維萬一零關稅要用來輔導這些受進口影響的院長是不是這樣子我們是對業者因為美國關稅調整而受影響的業者不管是 |
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出口還是進口是不是這樣如果真的受到影響我們就會在...如果受到進口影響也要輔導部長有沒有了解了 |
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我跟委員報告一百八十億是針對出口的產品那這個您剛才講這個道明的部分是未來有可能從美國進來的部分如果有任何的調整的時候的一個影響但是從農業部的角度來講因為農業的答案我昨天聽過了我現在要院長的答案除了農業產品之外還有哪四種產業是受到進口零關稅美國製品的衝擊農業產品汽車保健食品還有紡織品 |
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我從經濟部的資料上調出來在我們屏東這四種產業呢我們的保健營養食品從業人員380人我們的成衣製造外銷有200人汽車大概有2800人總共有3360個人未來如果美國銷台灣是零關稅這3360個家庭會受到的影響院長 是不是指示相關部會來協助盤查跟協助加以輔導 |
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所以這個零關稅的前提是不是存在 這個還是一個考量我們不就是要追求零關稅嗎 院長從零關稅談起 不是我們去追求 零關稅談起我剛才已經說了 美國的目的叫創造一個零關稅的自由貿易同盟這是他的目的所以很可能零關稅是我們可能必要考慮的一種結果 是不是這樣子 |
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但是我們也知道經濟學者財政學者包括政治工作人員不可能在一夕之間一夕之間就是零關稅不可能一夕之間是零關稅沒有錯所以給你九十天好好想清楚來我們往下看全力爭取改善美國對等關稅我們這裡提到我們談判關稅要幹嘛要擴大對美採購 |
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要擴大對美投資要排除虧關稅的障礙還要解決稀產業的問題其中在報紙的報導說台灣大部分的外匯準備是購買美國公債的這也可以作為關稅下降的條件怎麼做這個目前我們並沒有朝向這個方式在做思考沒有嗎現在這個階段目前我們持有的美債全世界排名第11名非常的不穩定好往下看來其實美國的立場是這樣子 |
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他的美國的債務目前單單是今年到期的9.2兆大概是美國聯邦總收入5兆的兩倍在6月底到期也有6兆多這些到期的美債對他產生什麼影響他要怎麼還他當然要還加稅嗎現在還沒有然後政府減少開支政府瘦身 |
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那是明年度的事情他最大的需求就怎樣降低債息所以就有一個人我們來談一下如果對美談判川普政府要求說台幣對美元升值或者說央行的外匯儲備改持低利的美債你認為哪一個對台灣的經濟影響較衝擊較輕匯率的調整是一個未來可能的問題你認為匯率比較影響小我們對於匯率A跟B哪一個影響比較輕 |
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我覺得委員我們不要在這裡談,我們任何談判的過程...好,我們往下看,我們往下看待會我要請那個彭主委再來,因為昨天我已經問過總裁了好,美國的白宮經濟顧問委員會的主項米倫他去年11月發表一個用戶指南叫重組全國貿易體系裡面他提到說,關稅本身不是目的而是手段他在7號的時候接受採訪講了五個點第一,他不接受,報復 |
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第二你要打開市場不能有不公平的行為第三呢他要各國提高國防支出和針對美國軍購大概這個我們都沒問題第四他說要投資美國這我們也做了他說第五直接捐還給美國財政部這什麼意思這什麼意思好大家來猜猜看往下看敏倫的意思是這樣他說他要要求大量持有美債的這些盟友貿易對手他說請你跟我 |
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換新債的時候跟我買超長期的50年的或100年的低利了但是我們的外匯如果去買這種超長期的美債影響到我們的流動性這種沒有市場 |
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對不對 那遇到了我們需要去調節匯率的時候就會受到限制米倫說沒關係我給你一個買權給你一個快速換回美元現金的官方渠道叫做report類似swap的一種回購機制如果你真的需要錢跟我掉頭順就好了結果呢 他認為一旦接受這個條件您知道結果是什麼會形成一個以美元為主的去中的準金融聯盟這是米倫的設想好 我往下走 |
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米倫的方案我算給你看他說台灣的外匯存本比加進5800億如果我們合理的外匯準備是4000到4500億我們可能有1000億的美金可以在美債到期之後改持低利的長期美債假設這些美債按照現在美債的利息4%來算我們假設算2%我們一年大概會讓利讓20億美元的利息大概折合台幣600億到660億 |
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請問601到661有沒有小於現在的880億 |
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有沒有小問題數學問題嗎哪個比較大這個我們還在精算我們沒有辦法在這裡跟委員做這樣的答案我了解你要想一下我要說的是說跟美國的談判有各種的可能性了解他們的談判背後的這些幕僚這些政策的思維各種的可能才會出現說連我們的外匯儲備的美債都有可能是一個談判的籌碼剛剛總裁說了籌碼對不對剛剛你跟邱委員講了籌碼跟準備不是一樣嗎好往下走 |
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所以如果我們拿到了超長期的低利美債,我們拿到什麼?美國現在30年期的美債只要每掉1%它就可以淨賺20%對台外來講,我雖然拿了1000億掛個洞把它買起來但是當我需要的時候,我還是可以短期的美元的流通需求我可以跟美國的央行免費去調度,也避開了短期的利率風險 |
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院長 您旁邊是總裁另外那邊是主委後面還有一個金融專家是我們彭主委請他們三個回去研究看看好不好 |
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我們過去對於美債的投資也有發生過不好的一個結果好 請你研究 我最後要做結論了昨天今天美國股市股匯債全部解體川普的任務川普任務有兩個一個是削減赤字 一個是增加就業增加就業 增加投資跟減稅改善他中西部的弱勢選民削減赤字要解決貿易逆差他對中國的不公平貿易他用了高單稅來解決之後 |
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他現在剩下什麼問題剩下財政支出的問題要減少負債有了一個零關稅的自由貿易同盟之後他的貿易逆差渴望解決但是遇下來的問題我有三個事情要請院長承諾第一請盤點消美主要產品上游供應鏈中有沒有含有中國製品請迅速的提出調整對策可以嗎 |
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這個也會做好 如果我們對美的關稅降到零請協助我們農漁續產品及製造業因應產業的衝擊可以嗎這個前提好 謝謝鍾委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請徐宇貞委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長備詢許文豪 |
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院長好 院長您辛苦了我們現在面對有史以來最嚴重的一個貿易戰尤其是我們在去年對美的貿易順差達到739億美元排名第六所以川普總統才會提出對等關稅這樣的一個要求當然台灣除了關稅戰之外其實還面臨了四大的挑戰 |
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關稅戰當然我們的平均關稅大概是1.6%雖然現在暫緩但也大幅提升到10%對於我的中小企業他們的毛利率大概只有3、4%來說也造成極大的壓力第二個就是國防支出因為我們的國防預算被要求提高到有GDP3.55甚至10%的一個說法那第三個是匯率戰 |
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就是經濟顧問委員會的米倫他有提到說新台幣希望能夠升值到20%可是實際上只要升值到10%的話我國的產業可能就沒有辦法負荷另外還有美債的風險就是我們現在外匯存底大概5700億大概有 |
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九成當然央行總裁是提到說是八成啦不管是八成還是九成配置美債其實資產的安全都備受關注請問一下卓院長請問面對這四大挑戰賴政府準備好了嗎 |
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首先對於關稅戰的這個議題我們剛剛在專案報告裡面提到了相關那麼國防的支出我一直強調依照我們財政的能力跟國家國防的需求那總統也提示要GDP3% |
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這個目標來走所以要一時間說到百分之五我想這個能力上應該還有有所考量至於匯率戰我們請先接的下來有心理有預期將來的匯率可能是一場也是相當相當艱辛的互相的搏鬥而且是整個全世界也是影響很大的但我國一直對匯率不是一個高度政府去操縱的國家我們也有他的匯率自由的市場所以央行的責任在 |
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長期穩定的觀察整個匯率穩定市場的運作因為現在美國要求我們可能未來的美債要用舊換新甚至能達到零利率最後甚至還可能還要支付一些所謂相關的安全捐那這個部分的話對我們的這個外匯存底應該有很大的影響總裁的答覆我跟委員報告就是說這個只是說是報導我跟委員報告每年我們都會跟美國的財政部 |
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就美債的議題呢我們會互相交換意見好那可能這個部分就請總裁針對我現在是提出來有這樣子的一個可能挑戰那請總裁針對這個議題我相信要好好好好的來為我國的這個衛生群體把關那另外就是我想請教一下這個院長就是說因為其實我們跟美國談判我們一定要知道川普總統在想什麼要什麼請問院長這邊 |
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知道川普總統要什麼嗎他透過這一次的對等關稅我認為他是要讓美國再工業化他的目的他的手法透過這樣子希望是達到關稅貿易的平衡跟消除這些不公平就是貿易能夠讓他逆差能夠降低另外就是能夠排除各國之間跟他的非關稅的貿易障礙 |
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針對這個部分我也有四個觀點來跟院長一起分享首先我認為川普他要的是要解決美國赤字的問題另外他也希望能夠降低美國通膨跟改善經濟的問題還有他的股市還有美國債券現在當然利息支出太高的相關問題當然還有跟中國的貿易相關的問題所以針對這些問題我相信我們在跟美國談判的時候 |
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應該是有掌握確切的一個方向才能夠談出好的結果請問院長認不認同從去年我們成立的關於 |
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經貿外交工作小組以及台美經貿專案小組就一直鎖定美方的政策上可能做一些改變就一直鎖定這些但是他到今天還是有一些變動的所以我們是持續變動的在觀察也在掌握我們期待在最好的時機我們的代表團能夠代表國家最大的利益把出我們整套的方案策略跟大家談 |
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30940 |
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那個就代表一個國家最終的態度談的結果雙方當然要有一些折衝當然要有一些討論那請問一下院長你認為川普總統他這次所提出的關稅的做法合乎公平貿易的準則嗎 |
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我說他就是用一個公式一個算法算出一個結果他並沒有考慮個別國家跟他之間的因為好像跟我們傳統認知的公民貿易有很大的一個落差嗎所以您認同他這個是合乎我們現在公民貿易的準則嗎那也有委員指出他的計算的方式是不是還要有一些更精進的部分但是很多的 |
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經濟學者也是有這樣的看法但是我們賴總統在彭博社的投書當中我們可以看到他有四項具體的回應當然我們面對這樣子美國的不公平的對待的時候其實我們原則上應該是要選擇怎麼去 |
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協商嘛而不是選擇妥協那當然我們目前賴政府面對川普的要求選擇要不管是台積電已經到美國去投資1650億了那現在川普總統又說台積電有答應他要投資2000億所以賴政府面對川普的要求選擇幾乎現在看起來是完全配合啦那請問院長我們還要移多少產業到美國去呢 |
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台積公司到美國的投資這是個民間投資案政府並不是在推並不是在主導我們在善盡我們在投審方面的未來的機制嚴格的投審那他民間公司民間產業基於全球佈局他做的這個方向全球佈局的方向我們是政府是樂觀的 |
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那針對賴總統所提到的希望這個談美先的所有的關稅會有零關稅開始談起喔那所以針對這個部分如果再配合全面零關稅的話會影響政府多少的收入呢 |
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因為現在台灣輸美的已經有70%就是零關稅美國輸台有62%62%是零關稅所以我們是有這樣的基礎可以繼續的擴大但是不是一夕之間一夕之間如果照賴總統在彭博的投書的話從零關稅談起那如果真的都是零關稅的話會影響政府多少的收入我們現在目前對美國的收入 |
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將來現在是大概7點多億左右未來對我們會增加到100多億但美國我們就從這樣這樣反算就是 |
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也就是說如果未來是零關稅的話不管是對我方的負擔其實影響的層面應該不止這樣子而且會有更大的影響所以現在農漁業 農漁民其實還有一些這個傳產其實大壓力都很大農漁業的這個關稅目前農漁業我們是逆差的所以這個在談判的過程當中當然要表達出來因為台灣對於美國的這個 |
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糧食的進口是多的因為我剛才提到白宮的經濟顧問明倫他在4月7號有發表一個演說幫助美國五途徑那請院長看一下他針對這五個途徑請問我們認同美方提出的五個途徑的做法嗎那我們打算接受哪五項呢 |
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這不變在這裡講說現在我們談判要接受不接受未來我們由政府院長領軍跟其他部會首長加上我們談判辦公室所以針對這五項的目前的這五項途徑啦我想不管是說出口產品要接受美國關稅同時不開徵報復性關稅 |
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甚至要提高國防支出跟美國軍購我們先從提高國防支出跟美國軍購這點來看起我們看一下美國希望我方提出軍事的支出其實從不管從GDP的3.5 5% 10%我們都有聽到這樣子的一個說法那我們可以看一下你現在可以看一下這個表格就是說我們就從 |
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114年度的明目GDP就是26兆8千億來當作推估值那我國的軍費支出呢從現在今年度如果是2.45%來算的話是6474億元那如果照講的話3%的話就來到8040億元3.5%的話是9380億元5%的話就是1兆3400億元那其實 |
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賴總統說到對這個美國擴大採購包括能源農產品跟其他工業用品那所謂的其他工業用品有沒有包含軍事採購一般在算貿易的 |
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數字裡面軍事採購是會被沒有嗎對也就是說軍事採購並不會列入這樣的貿易的計算所以如果再加上這些軍事採購的話事實上也沒有辦法降低我們對美國的貿易的順差所以針對這個部分請問院長對於美國的軍事採購啊每年大概要增加多少的支出才能夠符合美方的要求呢 |
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如果照今年的中央總預算算起來大概一千兩三百億到一千五百億之間才能達到百分之三 請問一下如果啦如果我們現在看到的就是今年我們是因為本來是有國防的支出預算大概是四千六百七十四億喔特種基金八百零六億特別預算九百零四億這樣才有六千四百七十四億元的這樣子的一個這個 |
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我們的國防支出但如果要提高到GDP5%的話大概需要一兆3400億也就是要增加6926億那以現在如果沒有特別預算來支應的話我們可能會去排擠到的可能就是社會福利支出教育科學支出還有文化支出經濟發展的支出才能夠足以因應那請問院長如果沒有特別預算的話會從哪裡去減少這些預算的支應呢報告委員我們今年並沒有 |
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對外說或是我們準備要朝向GDP5%的這個數字那如果在談判的過程中川普這樣要求呢我們不能為對方設想他的想法也就是說當有這樣的可能的時候我覺得我們這個左院長所領導的這個部會還是應該要了解清楚是不是有這樣的一個問題那另外就是針對賴總統在這個投書的第五項他說 |
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台灣將致力排除非關稅貿易障礙那當然我們可以想到就是說賴清德總統說要致力排除非關稅貿易障礙是不是要開放美豬美牛還可以不標示產地呢剛剛委員一直在提到這樣的相關問題我是這樣的答覆我是認為國民的健康安全重要我們的市場的消費習慣也重要但是如果 |
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台灣是國際社會的一份子有國際的標準跟科學的認證我們必須在當中取得一個平衡但是前兩個原則我們會謹守所以前兩個原則是指說不會開放美豬美牛全面進口也不會開放說不標示產地是這樣嗎現在已經有開放一部分了不標示產地這件事 |
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這是我們消費的習慣所以院長是不是可以在這邊告訴大家我們不會開放不標示產地也不會開放基改食品進入校園我們剛剛好幾位委員都提到表示大家都非常關心他都願意尊重行政院談判的 |
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這種策略那我們現在正在準備談判過程當中所以院長的意思是說要犧牲國人的食安健康還有學童的健康嗎沒有這樣的講法我說我們在國人的健康跟市場的消費習慣當中我們會謹守 |
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但談判的過程當中我們現在距離歷程其實我覺得食安跟健康尤其是學童的健康是絕對不能退讓的也絕對不能讓步的所以請院長針對這個部分一定要謹守我們的原則絕對不能犧牲國人的食安跟犧牲國人的健康 |
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然後另外就是有關這個農業的剛剛提到嘛就說我們今年的這個去年的農業利差大概是到新台幣990億元那我們可以看一下這個表格大概蝴蝶蘭跟台灣貂這個出口到美國是最多的兩項產品 |
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那尤其是蝴蝶蘭大概是對美國出口的產值大概佔出口市場的四成達到18.3億也是最大的買主那台灣貂大概有79%外銷的79%是銷往美國那在美國宣布關稅政策暫緩之前已經有業者反映 |
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蘇美的訂單有出現延遲或取消的一個狀況那現在雖然這個暫緩90天但是因為我們還是被課徵10%的這個稅額請問一下院長就是農產品的毛利率它本來就不高那如果這10%的稅額再課徵下去可能會讓我們的很多的農漁的產業沒有辦法度過這次的危機請問政府有什麼具體的做法來幫助他們 |
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我跟委員報告就是以現在目前的10%或之前的32%那農業部本身一個最重要在短期之間最重要的就是我們的相關的這些外銷的跟外銷有關的行銷跟獎勵的部分那同樣的 |
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在10%的前提之下其實我們最主要的競爭對手是中國所以相對的中國的關稅比我們高的時候其實我們更有機會去針對美國的市場做一個重新的佈局那這個部分在前兩天在跟吳國瑜業者本身在討論的時候他們都認同這樣的方式所以後續我們會再討論現在大家比較擔心的是賴總統說的要從零關稅談起這個部分 |
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所以也希望院長可以在這邊承諾就是政府在談判的過程中絕對不會犧牲農漁漁民的權益可以嗎農漁優先是政府一項的原則那以國家利益為唯一這也是談判過程當中要謹守謝謝院長的這個承諾 |
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那另外就是我想我們這次是中央跟地方大家一起要攜手面對挑戰因為這次可以真的說是國難當前所以我們也希望所有政治的內耗都能夠停止所以在這邊我們也具體的建議希望賴總統能夠近日早日的召開我們的國事會議 |
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可以邀請我們朝野政黨的領袖還有一些縣市長、專家、學者跟產業代表大家一起來共同的討論共商國事謝謝謝謝徐委員謝謝卓院長下一位請何新淳委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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我剛剛聽好多好多在野黨的委員他們的質詢都讓人家會覺得好像有故意在帶風向的嫌疑為什麼因為他們的問題常常是一個設下一個前提說好像我們現在面臨美國的高關稅 |
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我們要去對美談判我們就必須要犧牲台灣人民的什麼什麼來換取作為這個談判的籌碼那還要訪問院長會不會犧牲台灣人民的什麼什麼這個好像都是在故意挖坑給院長給我們台灣人民跳而且好像也是故意在帶風向院長我請你再更大聲的講一次 |
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當美國川普在祭出高關稅是為了他自己美國的人民國家利益那我們當然也要大聲的說出我們接下來的一個談判也是基於要對台灣整體的國家人民的利益為最大的原則跟立場去對美談判對不對是我們在昨天院會宣布這個880億的支持方案的最後有一段我提到我們這個整個的目的 |
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就是在爭取國家的利益在維持產業的國際競爭力當然人民的基本權利就涵蓋在裡面我們絕不會忽視這樣的人民的基本權利所以如果是一個坑也不會有人跳下去 |
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所以我是希望如果在野黨現在都對外宣示面對這樣子的一個問題我們應該要不分朝野共同共體時間要共同的來 |
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解決面對這個問題那就真的在這個質詢或者是在日後在我們院會各項的一個會議都應該要用行動來表示支持啦對不對 院長我當然誠摯的希望最快的時間內 |
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相關的條例特別條例或是特別預算能夠通過我們就能夠大幅的邁開讓產業安心讓人民安心也讓我們在國際的談判當中他有一個底氣很足啊是那所以剛剛有其他委員也有關心到我們要有底氣那我們有沒有對於談判心理有底我想 |
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賴總統說我們的對策第一項就是對美的談判從零關稅談起那剛剛卓議員長有回答其他委員說這是一個談判的策略那既然有策略那就有不同的因應方式跟我們要做好後續的影響評估 |
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談判的內容是機密不方便公開說但是我只想問卓院長我們對於對美的即將來的談判有沒有心理有底有沒有評估各項談判結果之後的影響跟因應措施 |
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總統所揭示的幾項原則都是我們談判的一個態度那未來會領軍談判的就是鄭麗君副院長她在過去幾個月當中對整個包括大採購的清單包括這個關稅的從低推估到高推估到現在的最高級的最推估各種的對產業的影響衝擊都做了相當多的了解所以我們心裡是有底的 |
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帶領所有的部會跟我們的談判辦公室楊振尼政委 我們總談判代表我想再組織一個最專業的團隊那因為局勢一直在改變沒錯到今天早上還在宣布美國新的行政命令所以我們現在沒有辦法在內部就訂好一個像國人要說的狀況況且很多的談判策略也不應該這樣來表示但是爭取最好的時機我們去談這個團隊跟我們的策略跟我們的整套的方式我們都準備的差不多很齊全了 |
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準備了齊全心裡有底而且絕對有信心我認為我們對你有信心對鄭麗君副院長所領軍的談判團隊一定有信心那接下來要有信心之前就必須要了解狀況 |
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發現問題所以我也非常感謝院長很辛苦我們執政團隊總動員賴總統今天上午到台中卓院長昨天到桃園那我在前幾天也不斷的走訪我台中的很多的產業工協會在聆聽第一線的一個聲音跟意見院長那你昨天去桃園今天來台中你的現在的感想聽到的意見是如何我明天到彰化 |
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後天到高雄跟屏東那針對不同的產業像昨天是工業區那明天就是彰化的彰化的這些這個手藝五金等等 |
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到高雄還有其他的到屏東是農業我們想針對不同的產業總統是到台中的工具機這樣串聯起來我們還會繼續像昨天到工業區他們表示的是他們看到政府的支持政策至少心中有一點點安心說政府有要關心這個政府很關心他們也提出說如果在這個條件當中如果做一些微調會讓大家覺得更做到所以我們回來已經在做調整 |
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所以听取第一线的声音很重要请听之旅真的很重要尤其刚刚院长所提出的各个区域的参加座谈来聆听之旅的这些业者大大小小规模不一院长也知道台湾八成以上都是中小微型企业如何在传统的产业当中这些中小微型企业能够深深感受到政府是支持他们的 |
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政府是願意帶一個他們一起來面對問題解決問題我覺得這個立場跟態度的表示非常的重要所以我才會跟院長說請聽之旅一定要繼續而且我希望能夠呢到月底層的中小微型企業更需要政府的支持跟請聽他們的聲音院長再拜託你繼續好不好而且我們在制定支持方案之前就是二月三月我們也跟不同的產業已經有做過這樣的調整這樣的了解了 |
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只是那個時候的政策更未明所以大家沒有辦法提出很確切需要政府協助的我們做一個整個概括性的了解之後我們再提出支持方案那現在就支持方案的內容就個別產業我們再來做細部的微調所以我才會 |
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請院長第一個要繼續第二個我們要針對這些產業中小微型企業他所提出來的問題我們如何要及時有效又快速那這樣子就必須要什麼我們的及時語就是剛剛問院長的 |
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880億的特別預算我們心裡有底嗎什麼時候要提出剛剛院長回答的是說用最快的速度希望立法院朝野都支持能夠來通過那我們期待行政院用最快的速度來提出不知道院長我們何時要提出 |
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原來的計畫是下禮拜四希望特別條例能夠出行政院的院會下禮拜四能夠出行政院的院會現在整個局勢還在改變如果沒有大的障礙我們下禮拜四就出行政院院會那如果現在還有一些狀況或許我們多留一個禮拜但是盡快是至少兩個禮拜我們一定要把他送出行政院院會所以院長是分兩個階段第一個就是兩個禮拜之內我們送出特別預算案來到立法院立法院還要用最快的速度來審查三讀 |
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通過那在我們特別預算送到立法院三讀通過之前那另外一個就是以現有部會的資源來以緩急急的一個這個現在的及時餘那院長那我們現在打算怎麼做 |
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現在如果在特別預算還沒有完全通過之前已經有產業受到目前整個狀況的影響那我們各部會有一些已緩契及的預算或者是我如果可以動用到第二預備金大筆的時候需要這樣做另外我們在救安基金農損基金農發基金跟信保基金四大基金都可以用已緩契及方式來先做以後我們再用公務預算來填補 |
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補回這個相關的基金因為剛剛如容院長所講的如果我算一算的話就算又用最快的速度仍然會比當時候COVID-19的紓困的特別條例還慢那時候是六天就通過我們還是準備下禮拜就出來如果沒有特別的狀況的話 |
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所以我也希望院長能夠用最快的速度嘛如果下個禮拜能夠提出那立法院這邊草野都能夠如他們所說的大家共同來支持的話用最快速的這個方式來通過那我會希望再算一算大概一個月內能不能通過這個要讓我們很多的產業中小企業心裡有底啊為什麼 |
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特別預算要通過了才能夠執行特別預算還沒通過之前現在各部會現有的資源到底能不能撐住他們我覺得這個第一個要讓我們的民間企業要能夠心裡有底而且讓所有這些產業的勞工心裡有底因為他們是一天如果撐不下去也不行所以 |
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如果以現行可以做的各部會盤點先有資源以緩計集那另外還有個什麼我相信剛剛很多委員都有共同關心不然要雨天收傘就是我們現在很多的這個產業那現在很多的產業呢他們的第一個新生反應都是資金的融資周轉所以呢我們 |
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如何讓銀行不要雨天收傘這件事情很重要那怎麼做得到也很重要因為我也必須要分享一下過去COVID-19的時候不管是在疫情期間或者是後疫情期間很多的企業在紓困的時候面對銀行的雨天收傘的狀況樣態不一但是還是有耳聞所以銀行界 |
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我們主委去喝咖啡那除了喝咖啡之外呢我們如何能夠呢讓銀行真的來挺撐住我們的產業這很重要耶主委跟您報告一下我們確實我們已經開始啟動這個計畫我們也能夠確保面對這個困境我們讓銀行不會去收銀的 |
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我剛剛有聽到你回答其他委員說已經啟動計畫了那可能下個禮拜就要開始跟銀行來喝咖啡但是呢我比較期待的是更堅定的要求銀行端是不是在這個相關的這個湊銀根也好啦申請門檻也好啦門檻條件的認定也好啦還有各項的這個 |
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銀行端可以協助的部分我們金管會我們行政院這邊應該要堅定強力的要求可以嗎這個沒有問題我想我們有一整套的配套措施都會來執行包括我們也會去從銀行端給他一些支持還有就透過很多比如說像我們今年度我們把對中小企業的放款目標就加大400億 |
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就希望增加這個支持還有很多我們對銀行增加支持不要抽銀跟增加他周轉新的彈性就是延展他的這些的貸款期限展延跟彈性啦靈活彈性機展延啦這個我覺得主委你應該都知道包括院長在第一線上去跟產業座談的時候應該也都有產業界的代表都會提出這一項需求尤其來自台中我們的工具機工會也好手工具工會也好 |
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更多的這些產業界其實都是在特別條例來幫忙我之前我現在能夠做的希望政府為我做的是不是先從銀行端的這個不要抽銀根開始啊我想金融業都非常體諒到這次我們整個面對到的困難我想這部分我們會真的會來嚴實來啟動這樣的一個作為來支持產業 |
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第一個就是不要抽銀根讓這個周轉資金彈性然後可以展延第二個我要請院長幫忙的是我們現在在對於特別預算的880億的這個整個的支持方案裡面我看到是以個別產業個別公司我建議應該要從產業鏈的思維來看我很怕像我的選區 |
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台中的屯區很多都是相關產業的加工體系加工廠那有很多是所謂正在申請特定工廠中的這些加工廠那到時候在我們的支持方案裡面我們是不是以整個供應鏈的一個方式來思考作為補助的一個依據跟方法重減 重寬 加快院長可以嗎 |
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重減重寬加快這一定是的那至於什麼單位因為像我們昨天就是跟工業區的各個廠商協會的理事長比較多但他們也代表各自的業界的新生 個別產業的新生但是我們會把它整合起來我們希望用一個比較宏觀的方向不是用單一的個案來做處理 |
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因為比較宏觀的方向原則就是我們的支持方案的所有各項的補助原則裡面應該要思考到大大小小不一的供應鏈裡面的各種加工廠商對單一公司有一個補助如果你是兩家公司有擴大補助 |
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以大代小有4家公司有更大的補助我們會用這個方式來做我是覺得一定要落實啦好不好這個是我認為這是很重要的要撐住產業很重要那要撐住產業就是要撐住勞工那我知道我們洪聖漢部長也有提出 |
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針對因應這個關稅的衝擊又規劃150億要支持勞工那也在院長的這個880億的特別預算的支持方案裡面也看到要支持勞工但是呢我希望在特別條例裡面應該明確的明定就是保障勞工權益這個應該是 |
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OK的對不對目前應該在這個政院在規劃特別條例的過程裡面我們也希望能夠把保障勞工權益的部分其實可以放入 |
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我希望院長要支持在這個衝擊的階段 勞動部有提出希望業者不裁員不減薪那這些支持方案就必須在881的特別方案裡面那在特別條例裡面要明訂那最後90天的黃金光劍期我希望我們要做好萬全的準備精準談判 壯大台灣 化危機為轉機 |
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好 謝謝何委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請謝依鳳委員質詢謝謝副院長 我想要請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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主席我相信這一次的美國對等關稅的這樣子的即便現在已經延長90天那對於我想不只是只有台灣對於所有我們的競爭對手或者是我們其他周邊的國家而言都是非常重大的一個議題你認同嗎 |
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是的未來我們即將要去對美方來談判了你有沒有信心你有沒有信心為台灣爭取最大的這樣子一個目標你的目標是什麼我們從去年成立 |
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經濟外交工作小組所鎖定的是未來整個世界經貿情勢秩序的大變動因為在去年11月又成立了台美經貿專案小組就是準備在當美國政策又發生大的改變的時候我們能夠在最短的時間內能夠調適回來所以這個準備是長期的其中包括對美的採購對美的投資以及現在因應這個關稅的變化這個都是在 |
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預期當中可能發生的那我們一定要等到一個情勢具體出來一些我們會做適度的研判分析以及整個設算像這次關稅就這樣子為什麼我們4月3號沒有辦法第一時間因為第一4月3號我們算的那個試算是在10%到20%20%到30%結果它跑到32%那就不是算數等級的那必須往上加 堆加我們整個產業受損受困的這個狀況 |
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所以我們延了一天就是把整個支持方案升級之後才向國能做報告表示我們是有準備但隨著情勢是機動性在調整對我問的是你的目標是什麼未來那都已經過去的但是你未來我們談判的整體的目標是什麼以及怎麼樣子減少對台灣產業的衝擊是不是終極的目標就是爭取國家最大的利益維持產業的國際競爭力 |
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對於國家最大的利益不是關稅嗎我們希望關稅能夠比韓國比日本還要低啊這是我們主要競爭的國家嘛 是不是是關稅的比較不是直接面對面而是跟我們鄰近競爭對手的比較那這是大家會心裡產業有相關的競爭性的嘛 是不是那這次大家心裡壓力大是因為包括韓國 包括日本都比我們低啊所以大家的心裡壓力就會大我們期待 |
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透過合理的談判之後我們能夠爭取到公平的關稅待遇我當然知道要透過談判那我是說你有沒有設定我們有沒有機會比日本比韓國低我們在努力就是這個方向 |
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有沒有 你要有信心啊每個國家都死書渾身解數你都沒信心了當然對我們的談判代表有信心談判的過程我們都可以掌握對談判代表有信心是不是那你明天就要去彰化了我要問你的是 |
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對於行政院所提出的880億那我們去跟產業談那當然希望能夠直接的協助產業嘛那對於明天要協助的產業像優惠的貸款部分我想要請問就是對於傳產以及中小微創產業我們的優惠利率要不要解碼我們有解碼啊 檢集碼 |
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來我來看看因為這個數字我來看看優惠的利率我們在金融支持方面優惠的利率 |
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那我看一下在這裡我們這個中小微企業的貸款的加碼是有的我們變略的預算是50億貸款的額度最高可以到三百五十三千五百萬我是說出口的部分一百四十億兩千的兩千億的貸款額度那我說你的利息優惠減碼減碼是多少2.22這個是 |
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標準在計算我們貸款在250萬內的會減補貼1.51.5碼嗎是不是財政部長我們好多部分都有金融支持是不是降低1.5碼跟委員報告我們對於出口廠商他的貿易融資我們是以2000億這樣的一個融資規模讓 |
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那單一廠商可以申請優惠貸款的最高額度是多少 |
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他一年最高可以減少利息到600萬好 剛才院長所提到的中小微創是50億嘛對於中小微創的貸款的申請是50億那對於他們的轉型升級的貸款會不會利息也減嘛 |
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中小微有啊會不會中小微剛剛我們減1.5% 貸款在250萬以內的會減嘛 也會減嘛是不是貸款的部分會減啦但是我們個案補助都到500萬如果是產業聯盟可以到4000萬 |
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這個是對研發轉型的補助就是剛才我想委員在說明的這個部分還有過去對於傳產或者中小微等等的在紓困的期間的貸款那他們在申請貸款的時候都由信保基金來做擔保那最高的成數是八成 |
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未來會不會提高在這一次的情況下我們有沒有預期要提高信保基金擔保成數到我們到95%了有嗎有會到95%是不是會再更高是不是對對好那希望我們能夠用最大的誠意來協助企業可以嗎 |
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還有一項,就是過去在紓困貸款的時候,對於銀行的受信人員,除了有重大的行政疏失以外,我們要不要解除他們的行政責任? |
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委員提的這個部分也就是行員很介意就是他的財務的責任的部分我想這個部分其實那個時候就已經讓他可以不要受這個部分的財務責任會不會比照我想這一次我們都是從速從寬從優來說那對於這個行員他們並沒有任何違背任何法令但是因為廠商的衝擊他產業的一些影響的話當然在財務責任上我們應該給予豁免 |
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還有行政責任跟財務責任這是過去我們在紓困的時候我們對於產業紓困的時候這第20條我們都有免除這些行員在受信的時候這些除了重大的疏失以外要免除他們的財務以及行政責任是不是剛剛部長答覆的是這樣因為他不是自己 |
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任何個人故意的行為是不是因為你在紓困的期間為了重塑、重寬、重減嘛那是不是要免除這些受信人員的這樣子的行政跟財務責任會不會列進去 |
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這個部分我想我們會一起跟今晚會一起來把它放到讓行業們了解這一塊好還有過去我們也是在疫情期間對於非常多的企業他們放無薪假對於企業放無薪假的勞工我們也要不要比照辦理給予薪資補貼 |
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這個部分誰可以回答有安定基金嘛誰可以回答我們在勞工安定就業的這個措施裡面就有薪資的補貼 |
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會不會也要比照過去COVID的時候這樣子的我們確實有規劃就是針對如果放應該是委員的意思應該是減班休息啦在減班的休息的時候我們有規劃包括薪資補貼或者是一些訓練上面的補貼來去彌補勞工可能如果在遇到減班休息上面的時候他薪資上面的就是收入上面的衝擊跟影響目前是有規劃的 |
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好 最後我想要請教的就是我們央行的楊總裁因為畢竟這是關稅的手段未來在我們現在所了解的就是川普總統的首席經濟顧問米倫他的這個海福莊園協議裡面 |
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關稅手段只是第一步接下來他希望的是美元可以貶值那如果美元貶值對於依賴出口的台灣產業你認為會造成多大的影響以及他的這個他的美元貶值這個貨幣的手段有沒有可能成功 |
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我跟委員報告就是說事實上匯率是由市場決定的不是說美國說它美元要貶值就貶值 |
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我知道那他是市場決定的啊他是市場決定所以呢美元呢就長期來看的話呢他有升值的時候他也有貶值的時候所以呢也就是說市場決定的一個價位他你很難是說用人為的一個方式讓他就說要不讓他貶值就貶值因為是市場來決定長期來講的話他是由市場來決定 |
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那如果美元貶值因為現在目前很多的廠商都也希望台幣可以貶啊是不是對於我們的出口才有利因為廠商我跟委員報告就是說我們的外匯市場 |
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我們的外匯市場它的參與者不是只有我們的廠商還有包括很多的外資外資也是還有包括我們旅遊的人這些都是參與者所以也不是說只有廠商所以也就是說外匯市場所決定的是一個供需來決定的它是一個市場價格 |
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不是說是由誰來決定這個他的匯率所以你認為米倫他所說的重塑這個全球的貿易體系當然他是以美元為出發點以美債這樣子的一個出發點嘛那這個情況下那我們未來國內的廠商要怎麼因應 |
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那當然就是說 廠商第一個就是說他要有避險的這個第一個那第二個呢 專業銀行要盡我們的力量因為市場如果說是他波動得太大的時候呢專業銀行會去做某些的調節讓他的那個波動度不要太大 |
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那就是這樣子第一個要避嫌第二個中央銀行能夠讓這個匯率能夠動態穩定就是這樣子好那你有沒有信心 |
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你有沒有信心維持我們的匯率穩定當然有信心因為這個是全球的我們就說了美元的參與者不只有台灣而已是不是這是全球的長期以來我們新台幣都非常穩定的動態穩定所以這個對進出口廠商都是很好的 |
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所以你有信心可以維持台幣的穩定是沒有問題那所以明天我們院長去彰化的時候可以告訴所有的廠商台幣會穩定不用擔心我們匯率的問題那會不會把相關的避險的相關的這樣子的方式也會一併的告訴廠商讓小廠商也了解 |
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基本上就是說銀行都是有這些的避險工具所以這些中小企業他都可以利用的就是會不會院長會不會把順便能夠告訴我們中小企業能夠對於未來整體這個美元經濟的這個風險性以及美國現在在重塑 |
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所謂的全球的貿易系統那這個部分是不是能夠也一併的告訴中小企業讓廠商有因應的能力以及對於下一波的這有可能的風險我們也能夠事先的控管 |
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報告委員 我大概可以跟業界說的是我們的匯率 台幣匯率長期以來是呈現穩定的趨勢那國家的經濟的體質本質上是健全的所以在這個方面讓它繼續呈現穩定的趨勢因為我們應該可以看得到 |
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我只能說這樣子,我並沒有一句話就說台幣要不要,這個我也不是,連總裁都沒辦法說我當然要請總裁說,這個你可能也沒辦法講總裁也沒辦法講總裁可能要拿出最大的努力來是,謝謝韋爺的鼓勵好,謝謝大家,謝謝好,謝謝韋爺的支持,謝謝好,謝謝謝韋爺,謝謝卓議長 |
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保安委員會本日排定質詢的委員均與質詢完畢謝謝左院長及相關部會首長列席答詢做以下之決定一 將各委員發言紀錄及書面質詢函送行政院請就位答覆部分予以書面答覆二 |
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已提出之書面質詢尚未登載公報者一律補刊4月15日星期二上午9時繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告及質詢現在休息 |