| IVOD_ID |
165849 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165849 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T10:02:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T10:12:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c16a1c5a957515d4235aa09a60c1d7224c0a682b421b74d94e7a419371ec2b560b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:02:05 - 10:12:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查（一）委員邱若華等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案、（二）委員徐富癸等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十九條條文修正草案」案、（三）委員柯志恩等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十六條條文修正草案」案及（四）委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查（一）委員邱若華等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第十一條條文修正草案」案、（二）委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「大眾捷運法部分條文修正草案」案及（三）委員李昆澤等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第三十九條、第四十三條及第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查（一）委員盧縣一等18人擬具「鐵路法第二十六條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案、（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之四、第六十七條之三及第六十八條之四條文修正草案」案、（三）委員李昆澤等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之五條文修正草案」案、（四）委員張宏陸等18人擬具「鐵路法第六十五條條文修正草案」案、（五）委員洪孟楷等19人擬具「鐵路法第六十八條之四及第七十二條條文修正草案」案及（六）委員廖先翔等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由三第(六)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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謝謝主席請五次長五次長請委員好次長好我想今天這個幾個法案的修法本席針對那個大眾捷運法有提了幾條的修正 |
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那本席的重點其實很簡單第一個我想透過台中終結的這個事故其實我們可以發現這個捷運的相關譬如說在這個案例裡面像保全他就沒有及時的去做處置所以導致這些後續這些不幸的事情的發生所以本席希望說在未來的 |
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這個防災的演練或者內部人員的教育訓練裡面像保全或者相關的這些人等都應該要納入整個捷運的管理的架構跟概念是應該的市長你應該也同意對 同意 完全同意我想這個是安全的問題那另外就是有關過去捷運周邊的這個施工看起來我們那個台中也是一樣那個施工那個 |
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所以他導致對撞擊的那個所以道路上面的就軌道上面的偵測系統包括施工單位未來要進行施工的時候他對於周邊的防護我覺得應該要有一個法律性的這個規範這個次長你 |
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部裡面同意嗎同意跟委員報告這部分其實對我們鐵路沿線包括捷運沿線我們都有所謂一些他的施工上的一些申請我們要求這個地方政府譬如說捷運是以地方政府你的範圍一定範圍以內他必須施工必須要經過他的監管單位才可以 |
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所以剛剛講如果這個部分有確實做到他就可以掌握像那天那樣所看到的卡掉在那邊施作讓他施工計畫讓他了解這樣的話就我想可以把他風險降到最低對就是說案例是不幸啦就發生了這個事故大家很難過也感到很惋惜對這些因而傷亡的我們也感到這個 |
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這個很不捨啦但重點是事情發生了我想我們應該做的事情是透過立法院的修法讓未來這種不幸的事情不要再發生所以無論是台中捷運或者目前這個台北既有的高雄或者目前正在其他縣市正在興建的我想法律的完備其實就是一種管理而有管理才會降低這些不幸跟意外的產生 |
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我想每一個市民每一條寶貴的生命財產我想大家都應該很重視所以我想利用這一次的修法本席以台中捷運為案例針對這幾個方向提出一些在條文上面的一些修正希望修法如果能夠三讀通過讓這些遺憾不再發生所以我看初步 |
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部裡面給本席的回應應該是本席提的四條修正的條文應該部裡面都支持對 都支持對 那另外部裡面也自己提了一條嘛就有關監理是不是有關地方政府對捷運局的 |
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對 那地方的監理單位以地方來講應該是他交通局對應該是交通局 對所以你們認為在法制面上也應該給交通局更大的這個力量跟要求就對了是好 這個我想本席也會支持啦是所以我們一起努力希望 |
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這些遺憾的事情不要再次來發生那另外第二個問題這個國道客運我看大家最近包括很多消費者也透過本席的社群平台來提出就是對於這國道客運無預警的停止 |
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那我想市長你也知道無預警的停駛對很多人來講其實傷害很大譬如說這個你本來預計好要坐哪一班車子結果那一班車子沒有開 臨時告訴你他不開了 |
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那導致於他後面的這些工作都會受到耽擱上學啦 上班啦 很多商業洽談都會產生影響市長 那今年啊 今年開始我們知道從109年 就疫情前有六千多萬的一年有六千多萬的這個人次 |
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那疫情之間降到4300萬那112年開始就是2023年開始又回到5000萬那2024年是5400萬那今年呢 今年到現在11月底了市長這個數字還會在客運這個在運客的這個人次會再增加嗎 |
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跟委員報告那個詳細的數字我所目前沒有提供給這個委員但是如果說就今年營運的狀況的話應該是會比去年還要再好一點對好所以那再好一點其實距離疫情前的6400萬當然6400萬之前更高啦那 |
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到底是客運業者幾乎已經存活不了了所以他們要無預警的停班還是另有其他原因會產生這種無預警停班的情形 |
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跟我們報告一下第一個部分如果是國道客運的部分的話我們現在只講國道客運了對 大家站在公務局的立場絕對不允許所謂不預警的一個停班因為它相關排定的班表都要上傳我們的這個動態這個中心的部分那今年幾次無預警停班 |
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跟委員報告一下國道客運應該是沒有啦但是之前比較常發現的部分大概就是在這個苗栗那苗栗那個部分是屬於一般公路客運這個路線的部分對 市長那個我的臉書的投書是 |
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客運1820路線18點10分與18點20A路線18點50的班次結果櫃檯人員說司機今天沒有領到薪水所以車輛都沒有來跟委員報告一下如果 |
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跟委員報告一下國光這個薪資的部分我跟委員報告如果是最近一次的話就是在11月20號發辦信11月20號沒有錯11月20但是11月20號就我們所掌控的部分的話基本上大概這個 |
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司機都有這個內部做好這個溝通然後呢那我們也當時就是說確認隔天這個半星我的意思說這些這個消費者投訴的這些班次當天是不是沒有開我先確定這個這個消息是否屬實 |
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這個我們所了解的部分是沒有但是跟我們報告下我回去立刻跟國光我覺得你應該立刻查一下因為這麼明確指出哪一班是沒有開而且把這個資料給本席嘛所以你應該去確確了解因為你們現在如果到今天為止還沒有辦法掌握他到底有沒有開這個事情是不應該的 對如果說這個這一班這個沒有開的話我們這個查免立刻處罰 |
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我其實不是要處罰他啦我是要你們徹底性的解決說國道客運有多少家這幾家裡面是不是因為旅客人次減少了他們營運有什麼困難或者是不是困難是他們就是擺爛到底是什麼原因我要做的是保障消費者權益我的目的在於解決這個不能讓消費者再次遇到這種 |
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完全無預警也沒有任何告知只有告訴人家說車輛沒有來是因為司機今天領不到薪水或者司機最近都領不到薪水這個就不應該嗎是這個跟委員報告我想這部分我們會請公務局的同仁來對這個幾條路線他的了解然後應該來持續監控他的這個班次的一些問題市長簡單結論時間的關係第一個 |
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去了解清楚到底一整年下來國道客運每一家營運的狀況如何到底出現這種所謂無預警停班的次數的頻繁度到底有多高那這一個事情11月20的這一個停班這個民眾投書的這個停班 |
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564.471 |
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是不是是否存在那存在你們要做如何改善去處置不能讓這種事情再持續的發生那如果真的有困難政府到底要用什麼樣的公權不是只有罰款的問題嘛到底他結構性的是產生什麼問題譬如說薪水沒有發這件事情我看就三度傳出說他的欠薪嘛你們也去罰款過九萬嘛 |
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566.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
585.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這問題是罰款欠薪罰款九萬他還是繼續這樣那消費者我怎麼辦我到底是要等著隨機看看哪一班會停哪一班不會停哪一班有車座哪一班沒車座我的意思是說政府面對這個監理應該是不是處罰他的問題是到底我怎麼讓 |
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586.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
607.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
國道客運可以不再不會這樣子以前沒有這樣子嘛所以表示是產業結構的問題還是客運公司自己經營的問題到底是什麼消費者希望得到的答案這樣簡單講我不希望再看到說有這種無預警停班的情形好不好市長是好謝謝好謝謝委員 |