| IVOD_ID |
165843 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165843 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T10:05:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T10:19:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c1f7d9f297e5aa987c8c2d387819de61c20a682b421b74d94ef1956145e7c495575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:51 - 10:19:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部部長李洋列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月26日及27日兩天一次會】） |
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委員質詢請部長 謝謝請李部長 |
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委員早安部長早安今天第一次來我們委員會看起來回答非常穩健我想跟你請教一下因為我之前看到環境部長彭啟明有給你經驗分享他說好像你因為是行政院流量密碼所以大家都在找你而且還找你應酬所以他跟你分享說他的招式閃應酬就是說等一下有行程就胡亂別人說等一下有行程就跑掉你當時是說學起來了現在你有用這一招嗎 |
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現在應酬多嗎沒有耶沒有應酬我還沒遇到所以你其實是沒應酬我還沒遇到那他說你學起來是說備而不用對 備而不用所以你是他應酬比較多你還好我還沒遇到那各部會都一直找你嗎跨部會的合作跨部會合作那跟運動部你覺得都還算相關嗎 |
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呃在外交部以及環境部還有我們的文化部我覺得都還蠻算合作的蠻有這個共識共同內容因為大家可能擔心說我們成立的運動部然後來了一個明星部長然後部長因為太紅了所以大家都找你啦反而就對於運動部的業務就沒有那麼的專心所以這一塊你應該會有辦法閃掉嘛對不對如果大家一直找你的話 |
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我們會找我們真的跟我們業務上有關係的去進行合作然後我剛剛看說你今天是五點半就起床了對 |
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因為以前有一個經濟部長已經離開了啦他說他本來都是八點起床當部長以後就變六點起床所以但是他覺得吃苦湯吃補啦因為他六點起床還蠻苦的那我不知道說您因為七點多那現在是每天都五點多起床嗎沒有只有今天而已平常六點左右起床那以往我們當選手有成超所以我覺得就是多加去處理業務 |
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所以平常就六點多啦有很苦嗎我認為當部長還有我們同仁確實在領補的過程中目前同仁應該不會啦我也是覺得那個經濟部長還好離開蠻奇怪的啦為什麼會覺得六點起床是吃苦我也是覺得蠻奇怪那看起來部長就是樂在工作大家一起努力來推動運動那我想請教一下就是有關於棒球的問題那 |
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第一個就是我們看到因為部長你上任之後可能面臨到一個大家很關注的賽事之一就是明年三月的棒球經典賽現在國外的其他國家的球隊也開始緊鑼密鼓不管是招募球員或者是給很多支持像日本隊已經確定大股商品要加入了 |
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那我不知道說部長這邊針對像比如說大谷祥平這種明星選手或者是我們球隊的一些訓練啊或者人才的徵集啊運動部這邊有給什麼資源嗎然後有什麼贏的策略嗎那這邊聯盟這邊也有送上他們相關的報告那我們也去計劃那我們有去做支持的步驟動作什麼支持 |
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他們要去美國去考察那還有一些他們的一些相關的移地訓練比賽的經費我們都有去補助主要是經費的支持那像部長你本身運動員嘛那我想如果你應該很關注這個賽事啊因為這畢竟是大家全民關注的那你本人有沒有特別給什麼建議或者是你有特別給一些經驗的分享有沒有 |
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我認為運動員來講的話就如同我在巴黎奧運之前其實也十分不被看好我能夠被衛免那其實當時的網路上的輿論也是我是說你本人真的有去對 所以我要講說你有人去了是不是還沒還沒因為就在忙業務對 準備要去要去跟他們講後續會去那針對大谷祥平這種明星球員你覺得運動部可以給予哪些方面的技術指導或者是科研還是怎麼樣 |
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我們國訓運科中心有科技的研發,但能不能讓大谷祥平也進入到,那這個應該有待商議。有待商議?因為大谷祥平是比較特殊的運動員。可是我看媒體報導已經有很多方面的訊息出來,比如說大谷祥平好像比較怕左投。 |
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所以其實大家有在做研究啦可能部長你再關心一下啦也許就是你太緊張了好 謝謝委員再關心 因為這個也是國人關心的然後另外一個就是我們也擔心基層棒球因為中國大陸要成立城市棒球的聯盟嘛那他們這一次棒球他是用城市來做單位所以很多人就會想說他可能他金援會比較充足 |
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然後也要結合他們的一些文化推廣嘛那甚至於就是有開出啦好像我聽說是有17萬台幣的薪水去挖角我們這邊的訓練員所以連訓練員都可以出17萬的話代表他可能可以開更高的價格去挖角我們像教練啊或者是棒球員等等那如果我們整個 |
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那麼多的從教練棒球員到訓練員營養師裁判很多被挖角過去的話他影響的不是我們競技項目而已啊他可能會影響到我們基層棒球那有關於這一塊我運動部有做什麼因應的策略嗎後續我們在規劃這個我覺得這個職業棒球職業化的任何運動我們還是希望說將我們自身的環境打造的更加 |
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我知道那個部長講的比較抽象一點因為我問得蠻具體的就是說針對中國大陸開始要發展棒球要挖角我們的不是只有球員那您現在有開始注意到這個議題嗎有那請問有做哪些因應的策略嗎這部分我們有做跟業務單位去進行會議然後去了解我們運動部能夠給予怎樣的所以只是在了解還打不出來就對了 |
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目前還有沒關係 這個我不為難你啦但是因為我剛剛問了很多問題其實都沒有回答都沒有回答那是不是事後可以請你們提供報告給我好 會後我們再提供報告然後再來就是我想問一下有關於這個皮克球的問題啦我看部長你平常也有打皮克球嘛 |
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有打過幾次打過幾次三到四次那皮克球有些人陌生但實際上他在美國運動協會運動產業協會是評估是成長最快速的運動之一那可以把它想像成說就在羽毛球場上打桌球 |
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那它的好處就是它的強度沒有像網球這麼激烈所以蠻適合全民運動那運動部其中有一個業務就是要推廣全民運動嘛沒錯吧 對不對對所以我真的我覺得那個運動部應該要花點資源在皮克球上面而且它可以做到例如說輕盈共 |
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共榮啦就是長輩也可以打然後年輕人也很喜歡大家可以來一起打不只是運動之外還可以社交但是現在皮克球遇到的問題部長你知道遇到的問題最大如果要推廣的話問題在哪嗎 |
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主要就是場地我以新北市為例新北市現在就是找比較使用率低的籃球場把它改造成皮克球場但這也需要很多經費那你如果要另外興建的話要更多經費所以初步來講是以舊有的其他球場的活化為主 |
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所以我希望說運動部可以在皮克球場的預算經費方面可以多多補助地方政府因為做這個事情其實符合運動部的目標運動部有一個重要業務我看你的報告就是全民運動那這部分我不知道部長你們今年編的多少預算在皮克球場的補助這部分我們也有編預算在明年的部分會有縣市政府來申請設施上面的建構大概多少錢 |
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大概多少好 沒關係沒關係好 沒關係那個這個您也是給我們一個報告好不好好 沒問題然後稍微這個在皮克球上面多關注一下這是一個滿好的全民運動好然後另外一個跟皮克球比較沒關但是跟場地有關的你現在發展全民運動最重要的就是有場地我看到你們報告寫說要跟學校去談 |
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讓學校開放場地讓周邊的民眾去運動有這項對不對有那部長你知道現在在跟學校談叫他開放場地遇到最大困難是什麼你知道嗎 |
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管理比如說哪些方面的管理可能基層老師的部分嘛人力不是基層老師啦因為如果假日要開放的話最主要是保全啦管理員那有的時候因為沒有管理員所以他就不開放那如果要增加管理員他就要有加班費這第一件事情第二件事情是會增加水電費第三件事情是可能場地會 |
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又會有一些就是磨損什麼之類的所以學校會認為說我多開放給附近居民來運動會對我的成本提高就不願意開放所以我覺得運動部如果想要跟學校合作你解決這個問題就好了也是錢的問題啦所以你應該看看運動部是不是可以跟教育部去談比如說運動部也編一部分的經費在全民運動用全民運動的方式補助給學校讓他開放給場開放場地給周邊的社區民眾來用 |
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我覺得這個就可以解決一半的問題因為像我們在地方也蠻多民眾來反應說為什麼那個學校不開放為什麼那個學校不開放其實回歸到最後都是錢的問題啦然後所以這個部分解決我相信可以幫你達到你的目標啦工委員報告我們會往這個方向就場地的部分我剛剛講一個皮克球一個那個學校然後再一個想跟部長請教一下因為我看您也很會打電動嘛對不對 |
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627.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
655.05 |
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呃算還行因為好像您的那個是不是有受訪的時候提到你會去打羽毛球就是因為你以前一直打電動所以快打旋風應該是沒有啦沒有快打旋風應該是英雄聯盟英雄聯盟然後說你會去接觸到羽球也是因為什麼你一直打電動所以你爸叫你不要去打電動一直看電視那時候還沒辦法打電動一直看電視所以爸爸叫我去打羽毛球喔那電動是後來才打的 |
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655.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
670.784 |
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呃 比較對 當作紓壓的管鬥喔 奇怪 媒體有時候寫的都不少還好你有機會澄清第三行這樣的紓壓不然我本來不然我本來覺得蠻勵志的就是打電動後來去可以打可以後來拿到羽球的奧運金牌的 |
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672.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
689.778 |
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那電競因為我會講電競主要談兩件事情第一件事情是像電競啊比如像街舞啊或者是什麼衝浪啊這些其實現在國際的競技賽事有個趨勢就是年輕人喜歡的好像都有可能會成為國際賽事的項目之一 |
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690.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
718.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
但是他的人才的尋找好像和一般以前從學校養成的人才不太一樣所以第一塊就是有關於人才我們可以預想到說哪些項目有可能會被列為運動項目在人才的尋找上面我覺得運動部要先去思考一下怎麼去跟比如說一些俱樂部一些職業聯盟或一些社團去做接軌第二件事情是針對電競電競其實 |
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721.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
741.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
電競的退休就是比賽完之後退役的選手其實有一個很大的問題啦可能像部長部長您是也是算運動員退役下來但是您的發展就是應該算最好的啦可以之一啦當到運動部部長應該但是第一個電競選手他們退下來之後他們去處第二個是他們很容易有職業傷害因為經過 |
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745.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
771.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
有一些調查發現他們25歲退下來之後因為他們長期一直用手指然後一直坐著然後一直看螢幕所以視力受損然後有時候會脊椎問題然後手指關節會有問題那這一塊運動部有沒有針對像電競選手他們退役下來比如說有關於身體這一塊或者是職業這一塊有特別的有哪一方面規劃跟照顧嗎跟委員報告那後續我們會就這一塊去做規劃 |
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772.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
778.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
後續 所以現在還沒有目前這一塊應該在電競選手的退役應該還沒有 |
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779.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
803.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
因為你一定就是大家會投入這個產業或者是這個單項一定是思考說會想到之後嘛會想到之後你之後越完善可以吸引到更多人才願意投入所以事後 之後的保障我覺得也是蠻重要的它對於吸引人才是蠻關鍵的有 我們會重視這一方面那因為我剛剛因為不管第一來啦就是其實可能業務還沒有那麼熟但是 所以 |
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803.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
822.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
可不可以事後請業務單位我剛關心那幾個議題比如說有關於棒球的或皮克球的或者是學校場地開放還有電競相關可不可以給本席一份報告沒問題好不好差不多應該一個禮拜可以嗎一個禮拜可以OK好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝葉元之委員請部長 |