| IVOD_ID |
165839 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165839 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T10:04:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T10:10:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f5b16bee5fdcc5c1012d7c528ef2915face2a84e35b138020a682b421b74d94eae209839394804ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:36 - 10:10:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查或處理「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算(114年度)」及「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算」決議：
一、有關中央研究院預算凍結書面報告案1案。
二、有關國立故宮博物院預算凍結書面報告案4案。
三、有關國家發展委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
四、有關行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
五、有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
六、有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
七、有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
八、有關經濟部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
九、有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案10案。
十、有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
十一、有關文化部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十二、有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
十三、有關國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十四、有關考試院主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十五、有關外交部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十六、有關大陸委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
【11月26日及27日上午二天一次會】） |
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好 委員好市長早我想經濟部去年曾經發布了112年全國電力資源的供需報告未來電力需求年平均是成長率是2.8但是今年9月又發布了113年的電力資源供需報告 |
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指出因為AI人工智慧跟雲端資料服務的需求攀升然後我們的10年的電力需求度年度成長率變成1.7%從2.8到1.7這是什麼狀況是經濟部失準還是對於電力的需求評估有問題從2.8年增長率2.8到年增長率1.7這差很多啊怎麼回事 |
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報委員我們其實是按照實際的需求所以顯然我們對於電力的評估從原來達到3641億度電修正成3286億度電整整少了每年150億度電也就是兩座和三廠是因為我們自己的電力供你不足嗎 |
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包委員應該不是電力供給不足啦需求不夠產業發展有問題但是我們不是在講AI人工智慧跟雲端服務資料需求攀升嗎因為其實我們除了就是我們一直在推節能啦然後當然節能很厲害所以我們需求大幅減少然後我們發電量也減少所以沒關係我們也在推動就是說讓這個Exco產業來幫忙市長 |
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發一個電廠做一個電廠要多久時間做一個電廠要多久時間平均起來不管是哪一種電廠四接現在環評通過告訴我要7年你們如果要增加相關的電廠的話平均一個電廠電網你們電廠興建計畫大概都要5到10年所以你現在的電力供給是沒有問題的嗎 |
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八尾我們電力供給到2032年是沒有問題但是如果照這個增長速率你們現在是把需求降下來然後把節能 |
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跟我們的產業發展表示說我們未來其實電力需求增長率沒有像原來預估的這麼高是因為我們不會再做AI人工智慧也不會再做雲端資料服務了嗎跟我們報告這些因素我們其實都考慮進來我們每年也都會是做滾動檢討 |
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我要說的是經濟部對於我們國內產業的發展還有我們自己電力的評估現在目前為止看起來是自相矛盾的第二個曾文琛說萬一如果我們的電力突然間天然氣斷供所有的科學園區都有所謂的發電設備目前為止假設天然氣斷供了你們可以撐多久 |
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跟國務委員報告其實我們你只要簡短回答我現在斷供了你們可以撐科學園區可以撐多久這個可能涉及到不知道一些機密啦好現在整體容積有目前裝置容量如果假設園區裡面加起來總共的鄭文森的說法是大概EGW那 |
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也就是說我們園區自己就可以發電大概一個核三基礎的電量是嗎還是你都是國家機密你在這邊回答要回答回答我完整的事實好嗎 |
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就是曾文森說的,不是我說的?還是經濟部不知道?因為台電是一個供電的單位,所以他們會對所有…我問的是經濟部對於產業掌握有多少,關台電什麼事?這是台電說的,所以我問你次長。 |
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是因為台電他會就他目前的這個產業用電的這個實際的狀況他們會去做台電是他是執行單位他是營業單位你現在是經濟部次長你要說的是對於我們國家園區科技園區我們自己在天然氣停工的時候我們能不能掌握我們自己能夠活多久 |
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當然我們是有把握就是說幾波有問題在這個狀況的情況之下供電的部分是沒有問題的供電沒有問題所以你現在要再說一次就算天然氣斷供我們的科學園區也沒有問題我們有一些應變的方法經濟部長說我們在12月會做核二核三的重啟評估現在已經11月底了12月確定會提出相關的 |
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初步結果嗎跟委員報告目前那個台電已經將他們現況評估的報告送經濟部那經濟部現在也正在審查當中那後續我們如果經濟部核定的話那台電會再提出一個再運轉的計畫跟自主檢查的計畫也就是說12月底會有這樣的東西你們12月底經濟部就會做出決定嗎我們希望能夠盡快來回覆給台電 |
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就算核二核三要研議你們預估假設通過了他恢復運轉要多久假設不知道可能要就實際的狀況因為他要三年到五年還要再做還要做一些提供書面報告給黃委員我們希望12月底以前能夠看到這個結果好嗎好我們來努力謝謝黃委員接下來我們請張志仁委員 |