| IVOD_ID |
165804 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165804 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-25T10:03:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-25T10:19:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6325889ad8f272b587464adce2fe6d14b583d2a9868c2e3c9d1dd4df9352bd77eebc5b1f2304e56a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:41 - 10:19:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員賴士葆等27人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員許宇甄等24人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案等8案。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月25日）三、11月21日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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接下來我們請賴銳龍委員質詢廖仙祥委員請準備好 謝謝韓院長 請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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村長 市長好去年到今年南白國會多數強行通過了財化法兩次修正其實兩次的修正有相當多的問題對於國家財政跟地方的發展都有相當多問題但我特別關切的是這個過程中我們看到台北增加了400多億而高雄最後失之損失了將近200億這讓南北失衡更加嚴重我認為這是一個重北輕南的財化法 |
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院長同意這樣的看法嗎他原始的計算公式這個新版就是去年通過的這個新版這計算公式非常的簡化將人口土地面積這樣就很簡化的數字像現在院版的才化法人口有人口結構老年多的年輕人小孩多的不會增加 |
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台北拿到了400多億全台灣最多高雄損失了將近200億而裡面全部用整個營業這些的來加重照剛剛那個算起來就像營業額加算起來工廠可能是在中南部在高雄但是他的計算是在台北而且又加重了這樣的權重院長認不認同我的看法這是一個重北輕難的一個才化法南白國會多數通過的 |
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過去十幾年來我們一直在平衡這個作用但是過去十幾年以前這個南北這種北清南的狀況是愈發的嚴重那最近幾年我們一直在調整那這個才化法你認為呢有沒有確實加重了這樣的問題他特別對特定幾個縣市幾個城市特別的優惠對北部的特別的好對南部的特別不好嘛這個感受的密碎對中部的也不好 |
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對 中部也不好雲林苗栗也不好對啊 所以中南部都不好嘛台北拿到400多億富者越富 貧者越貧這對台灣絕對是一個負面的影響所以我支持院版的才華法我也希望盡快來審議 |
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不容易啦 因為才會把大家都想要分到更多的錢但是很困難所以才二十幾年沒辦法修嘛那也很謝謝行政院終於也提出來了那我提出來之後也希望朝野競速來支持啦不要讓縱北 青南加大南北差距加大這對台灣絕對長遠是個錯誤的方向是是 謝謝行委員支持 |
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我們現在幾乎有四個版本一個是已經被廢棄不用的才化法但是今年的總預算是依照這個舊版編的那明年編的總預算是依照 |
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去年通過的新版的裁判法那現在又有上個禮拜通過的11月14號通過一個再修版的裁判法所以一共有三個裁判法現在院版再提出一個院版的裁判法那現在我們希望院版的裁判法是經過跟地方六次以上的溝通而且裡面的計算公式最合理應該可以取得最大的共識能夠放到大院裡面來討論 |
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至少能夠有個橫平的討論的機會那如果院版的裁判法現在看來是民眾黨並不支持的國民黨內部大概意見分歧啦因為中南部的立委們大概也面對相當大的壓力那如果院版的裁判法沒有得到支持的話那對於立法院通過的這個裁判法那院長會採取復議或者採取不附屬的方式處理嗎那現在對於今年11月14號通過的這個我們所謂再修版的裁判法我說過 |
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因為他會大幅的提升整個政府的舉債這個舉債達到5600億已經超過我們公債法的上限所以我不能編 行政院不能編編出來就是一個違法的預算 |
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所以我們希望明年的總預算已經依照新版的裁判法在編了如果現在變動那對整個施政的穩定性所以對剛剛通過立法院的這個裁判法的部分行政院是採取它是無法運作的我們希望如果這個時候有機會來看院版的裁判法行政院版的裁判法用審計院版裁判法的這個動作讓所有的現在的裁判法討論到現在停止讓院版裁判法變成唯一可行 |
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所以院長的想法是暫時先不處理立法院通過的這個新的裁判法而先處理院版的裁判法如果朝野達成共識的話那就能夠解決所有裁判法的問題了這是最完美的一個方案是嗎這是解決問題的開始而已這應該是最好的方式我們期待立法院盡速來審議審議完成之後重新建構這個裁判法之後來解決掉這一年多來裁判法的紛爭上個禮拜五我得到的訊息是這個樣子 |
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我們也期待這應該是最好的方法也是減少政治紛爭的方法也是減少財政紛爭的一個方法再來我想請教一下其實發電的部分南電北送這是一個常態高雄的發電量是全台第一台北沒有電廠也不發電的前陣子還在計較台北市還在計較電要2億的一個水廠的一些電價的問題我認為非常的不公平 |
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中南部長期的負擔北部的用電南電北送這樣的狀態我們認為這個非常的不公平對於發電者不斷的在發電用電者反倒這個不發電以外同時還遭傷癮之還吸引更多人口的居住這個其實是不公平的 |
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我反映過了 包括南電北送造成了217億的虧損217億的虧損 這個都應該要面對所以我主張差別電價對於有發電的縣市給予比較優惠的一些價格對於不發電的縣市給予不同的一個價格能夠來改善電廠設置的問題同時也改善電力輸送所造成的耗損的一些問題院長同意這樣看法嗎 差別電價 |
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這個建議當然會改變影響到整個台電成本的計算那我們認為現在除了發展多元的綠能之外能夠在合理可以設置的電廠我們能夠在普遍的把它按照工程的預定計畫來設計出來之後 |
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整個南電北送 南北差別減少問題在於是每個人都要用電但是沒有人想發電啊所以說有差別電這樣的發生的時候才能讓更多縣市去認真面對這個問題你不能只要求用電而不發電桃園三街大堂的這個接收站自來之後觀塘那整個發電就會更大起來 |
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那我們在市階之後整個新的電廠也會隨時我們會增加北部中部的發電量我知道這是一個不容易的問題但是也唯有討論差別電價的問題的時候才能讓更多的縣市認真去面對電力的問題不然大家都只想用電而不願意發電這對於在願意發電的城市來說是非常的不公平我說這個會改變到台電的成本的計算台電應該去考慮這個事情 |
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我是說在這個同時我們增加北部地區的這個發電的設備發電廠讓他能夠更新提升效能院長能不能認真的思考演繹這個問題差別電價但作為有顯明結果是確實並不可但是我認為政府要認真去思考討論這個問題的時候才能夠讓更多的國人正視這個問題 |
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正式的環境正義發電的正義的問題正是南電北送造成的耗損虧損讓政府損失了217億的問題正是南部發電污染嚴重而北部用電卻占盡了很多便宜才化法還可以分到更多的錢這樣的問題才能夠被凸顯出來我希望院長正視這個問題好嗎我會請經濟部來台電一個月內研議好不好研議結果當然有可能是還要在 |
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但是至少願意思考這個問題我認為就是在面對問題的開始一個月內對於差別廉價提出行政院的一些研議方案好 謝謝再來我想請教一下這也是一個重大問題小旭城說鄭麗文的兩岸路線是一國兩區的路線院長同意這樣的說法嗎一國兩區你同意嗎中華民國只有太平洋嘛 |
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我的答案很簡單院長現在如果講一國兩區這個一國會是哪一國我們在這裡講當然是講中華民國但是中共講的覺得是中華人民共和國現在很多的人會被誤導認知的一國只有中華人民共和國所以當現在這個時間點在講述一國兩區的時候很容易就是對應了中共的說法就是陷入到了中華人民共和國而台灣變成了其中的一個區 |
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這會是一個統戰的陷阱這會是一個認知作戰這會是一個誤導全世界認為台灣接受這樣的說法所以我們認為台灣的任何一個政黨的領袖講出這樣的話其實都並不恰當的院長同意這樣的看法嗎沒有錯我覺得還是剛剛那句話中華民國就是台澎金嘛我們現在在這裡有效的行使我們的民主政治在這裡台澎金嘛至於大陸那個土地那是中華人民共和國所有 |
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他的治權他的統治權都在那裡現在沒有人會相信台灣有能力去直接再繼續統治這個中共的這個土地沒有人會相信全世界沒有人會相信所以現在講的一國兩區最後結果就是台灣中華民國被消滅中華民國台灣被消滅掉所以我們認為國內的各政黨領袖應該要很清楚認知應該站在台灣這一邊而不是站在中共那一邊 |
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我們認為這個才對得起所有台灣人民院長應該同意這樣的看法吧完全同意而且中華民國台灣他就是一個完完全全的主權獨立的國家守護中華民國守護台灣是我們這一代台灣人民很重要的一個責任跟使命 |
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謝謝再來我請教一下南台灣的部分現在一個小港機場很好用但是我們看到東京有成天雨田首爾有人川金埔上海紅橋浦東都有很多的包括北台灣也有松山跟桃園機場 |
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南台灣能不能設立一個24小時起降的機場不管是他在南興在彌陀或在哪個地方都可以讓南台灣有另外一個24小時的起降機場這個能不能啟動開始研議研議到完成還要相當長的時間能不能啟動這樣的研議讓南台灣有一個24小時起降的機場 |
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我知道委員一直很關切在南台灣高雄有一個24小時不受航管限制的一個機場那我們也在做這樣的思考所以我也去看過所謂南新計畫等等那現在交通部也應該在有這樣的思考但是我是覺得在思考的過程當中我們首先還是把小港機場的新航廈能夠把它拓展起來 |
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因為這兩個不衝突 新航廈我們繼續再做但是要啟動一個20小時新的海上機場需要相當長的時間那我認為應該要啟動了開始啟動相關的評估規劃因為它需要時間它要經過選址 經過環評經過各種的海上的評估經過空域的協調等等很多工作我希望能不能在今年開始正式來啟動這樣一個規劃 |
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正式啟動規劃我們已經在啟動為了因應將來南部的大的整個科技的發展24小時的貨運因為南台灣不只是高雄包括台南的包括屏東的半導體產業也都在發展所以未來一個24小時的貨運等等是很重要所以我現在在第一點的選擇工程的這個技術方面交通部都在規劃所以院長我們今年開始正式啟動這樣24小時啟動的開始評估跟思考 |
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院長 部長可不可以一個月的時間給我 |
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整體的規劃評估的時程啦好不好就是包括評估這個至少我們可以預估大概是什麼時候因為包括新航廈的完成之後的甚至於未來長遠的包括高雄南台灣的整個發展狀況也給我們一個評估的狀況好不好就是說一個月的時間評估出來如果要朝這樣這樣的話大概多久可以選址完成大概多久可能要開始思考好不好一個月的時間我們一個月的時間來跟委員做報告給我一個書面報告好嗎 |
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好 謝謝那再來我還是要請院長跟部長能夠持續支持高雄的捷運路網台北發展的很快計畫型補助款也都補助下去了結果現在因為財務法的關係現在財源受到影響高雄在明年減少了103億的本來可能可以補助的現在少掉了所以現在我們很多的捷運的路線的經費會受到影響騎乘也可能受到影響 |
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甚至於未來要新建的此縣會受到影響不只高雄台南台中都一樣所以能不能請院長跟部長盡力的來支持中南部的軌道運輸捷運輸不要受到影響台北已經新建完成了不受太大的影響而高雄台南台中受到很大影響能不能請部長院長來支持 |
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台北包括新北早期建了很多的捷運都用中央跟地方的合作中央補助很多錢那現在不只高雄中南部包括桃園要開始興建更多的捷運但現在的財化法新版的確實把中央的錢拿去平均都分給地方去了那中央已經沒有錢再幫助這些現在要興建新辦捷運的這些城市了 |
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這形成一種不公平的競爭這非常的不公平對啊所以我常常說先做的已經早享受了現在做的所以東德所以台北還分到最多的錢台北的捷運還都做好了所以等於是附上加附所以我們希望委員大院能夠支持院版的裁判法我們希望這要重視區域間的侵犯法我們保留計畫性補助 |
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但是我們計劃型補助一般型補助加個統籌分配稅款對各縣市來講都會比今年還高還是要請院長跟部長繼續支持高雄的捷運的入網的興建好嗎好不好是是好再來我請教一下國道7號謝謝院長跟部長支持那現在因為他到了仁武之後在往北的部分一樣面臨到了 |
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一樣交通上的瓶頸因為國一常常現在塞得很嚴重所以國七找到可能的路線往北繼續延伸不管是高速公路或者是快速道路都是好的方案能夠紓解台北台南高雄台南之間的交通的嚴重的擁捨狀況這個詞可以請也啟動相關的規劃好嗎院長 |
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這個部分委員照您的指示我們會來啟動規劃那這個部分我們也可能要跟地方政府來一起做溝通我知道你們有規劃一個叫高科技的一個線路的就因為台南高雄有高科技的一些發展我希望這個盡快來啟動國一高架難度比較高但是至少國七往北延伸這一塊做得到的話讓更多的南北向台六十一國一然後國七國三能夠讓南北向更加的便利 |
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好 謝謝 |