| IVOD_ID |
165802 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165802 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-25T09:16:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-25T09:47:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6325889ad8f272b5441a7a96633db8d0b583d2a9868c2e3ce237e37f99ea3b5acdaf6cb2d6319c8e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:21 - 09:47:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員賴士葆等27人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員許宇甄等24人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案等8案。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月25日）三、11月21日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院好 |
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院長好 院長早院長首先本席想請問您個人一個問題普發一萬元 院長您會去領這一萬塊普發一萬塊的錢嗎 |
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因為我有帳戶 他是自動入款所以他已經撥進來了所以您有用這一萬元去沒有 我還沒有用他我想我會把它用到適當的地方去我認為國家或是其他人民會更需要的比如說我鼓勵大家現在都去買一些豬肉來吃也不錯本席也有看到院長您就是以行動去支持去吃豬肉新聞報導也說 院長您希望國人把這一萬塊用在國旅跟吃豬肉想必你也知道 |
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我現在國旅的狀況不是很好所以才會做出這個呼籲可是政府不能只是叫人民去消費啊然後不去處理國旅本身存在的問題嘛 |
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所以今天本先要和院長來討論我們國旅的問題我們先來看到今年前七個月台灣出境的旅遊人數高達1087萬人次年增10.5%而且是連續兩年都增加超過10%預估全年出國人數甚至可能會突破1850萬人次再創新高 |
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可是反觀我們國內同期入境的旅客僅435萬人次那今年年增率不到10%之外呢今年交通部8月中的時候又再一次下修今年來台 |
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旅客的預估量從原本的千萬人次變成了九百萬人次我們看到國人選擇出國玩卻很少觀光客來到台灣來旅遊國旅沒有被帶動而且還呈現明顯的流失院長您認為問題出在哪裡呢 |
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當然我們全世界對台灣最著名的觀光景點就是我們太魯閣經過0403地震之後到現在還沒有全數恢復而且今年我們來了這麼多的颱風也讓很多人在安排的時候受到了一些影響另外就國內來看就國旅來看我們的交通還有我們的住宿都應該有一些政策的支持所以 |
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交通部確實是提出了對一些國內住宿旅遊優惠的一些政策院長您提到泰魯閣像我們台灣不只泰魯閣這一個景點再來是我們看到過去在質詢的時候也有提到就是說因為一席的關係本席有看到日本2024年已經突破了3100萬旅客這個數字是超越 |
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疫情之前的那鄰近的國家像是韓國還是馬來西亞呢他們也都回到了八九成反觀我們台灣去年2024年的下半年只有回到六成到七成嘛那針對我們目前國裡的情況那院長您剛剛也有提到旅宿的問題您認為是什麼問題呢 |
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大家有分析說我們的國內的住宿是不是應該價格更合理還有我們交通網的服務是不是能夠更全面更周全那我認為這個都是交通部在明年提出的推升內需當中要增加觀光 |
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這個國內旅遊部分的一個重要的政策從明年3月開始它就會有全面的比方說平日的住宿假日生日的補助等等都有相關的這個剛剛我已經在外面說明過院長其實從去年我們就可以看到2020年全國的出國人次約1684.9萬人次那外國旅客來台的人次它是785.7萬那兩者相差了895 |
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將近八百九十九萬的人次那關於我們看產值的逆差金額那國人出國消費的總積額是一兆一百九十億那外國旅客來到台灣所創造的產值是三百二十六點七億那觀光的產值逆差就高達了六千九百二十二點三億那我們再來看到Yahoo有針對我國的 |
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觀光的整個環境來進行一個調查那針對我們國內的旅遊有57.4%的民眾表示非常不滿意還有不滿意那相對的認為滿意還有還算滿意的只有24.9%其實近幾年來我們國人對台灣國旅的抱怨也已經不是新聞了那我們再看到一個數據這是觀光署做的調查報告 |
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好 那我們可以看到觀光署的旅遊狀況調查的比例都高達99%院長您相信這個數字嗎滿意度99對 這是觀光署說出來的數據這不應該有這樣的結果我不會相信這樣的數字可能它的問題的設定是怎麼樣但是都不應該有這樣的數字 |
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是 其實這個落差政府手上的評估數據與國人實際的感受是落差這麼大所以 鵝本席也在想這樣我們做出這個數字我們能夠期待政府能夠發現問題嗎那我們再來部長不好意思 我也跟您補充一下 |
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您剛剛所說的這個國旅的逆差或者是人數的逆差就是出國的多那來國內玩的少這個不是今天才發生這個已經持續36年因為台灣是一個外貿型的國家當台灣的經濟的狀況好的時候 |
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其實我們出國的人數會蠻多36年前到現在今年已經大概37年了這30幾年其實都是同樣的狀況那這幾年當然大家希望我們現在這個國外的旅客來台灣的人數希望能夠恢復到疫情之前也跟委員報告如果扣除大陸旅客來說的話 |
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我們的水準已經幾乎快要跟疫情之前差不多了已經幾乎快要跟疫情之前差不多可是這兩年我們不斷的下修就是來台旅客的預估量跟委員報告這幾年疫情過後的這幾年其實每年都增長您應該也很清楚您在交委會去年比前年來台灣玩的人數增加了100多萬 |
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那今年當然因為匯率的問題台灣的匯率相對高而且我們颱風今年也不少沒有增長的像去年這麼多一百多萬但今年至少也會增長的四五十萬人來台灣部長您提到說增長了一百多萬可是我們今年前三季一到九月的觀光逆差已經高到八百零五萬人次了我跟委員報告已經三十六年來都是這個樣子三十幾年來其實都是這個狀況院長我們繼續接著看我們最近看到 |
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先請教院長和部長如果你們要出去玩你們會考量的因素有哪一些呢出國 |
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在台國旅的話第一個當然是交通能夠方便住宿能夠非常舒服再來就是當地的景點它能夠有一個吸引力讓我去了解當地的歷史文化人物所以院長你認為是交通住宿跟景點的吸引力嗎那我們來看到一個新聞日前高雄有一所國小它公佈明年的畢業旅行的行程是日本的大阪無日遊那也是在家長會的熱心贊助下學生只要自費五千元您知道這個新聞嗎 |
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有看過有看過這個新聞嗎那其實近幾年民眾的感受是出國玩比國旅還要便宜這是大家的共識 |
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因為我們的 |
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國內的旅遊都集中在假日所以非假日他們就在成本的計算來看就沒有辦法做很平均的分攤所以假日就會造成一無難求或者是價格會偏高曾經有一次我到南部去高速公路塞住我當場問部長說為什麼今天塞住他說那是連假的最後一天大家都要去南部做最後的一個假日的休息活動 |
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就是集中在那幾點那平日都要他們負擔的成本比較大所以我們這裡推出了交通部推出了平日住宿優惠就希望引導一些國內的國人在平日雖然交通部提出了這個平日的住宿優惠可是民眾覺得說這個看得到用不到啊因為他們平日就是要上班啊 |
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跟委員報告我們其實像勞動部勞動部最近也一直在針對大家的請假的狀況勞工的權益做保障我們也一直希望說國人如果你有特休可以在平日來休假的話大家要勇敢去休假那我們當然交通部這邊能夠做的是住宿的補助的方案希望鼓勵大家在平日去住其實大家用國外的旅宿跟台灣的旅宿有時候比較那不一定公平 為什麼 |
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你出國可能會是玩五天六天七天那其中有五天是平日那個價格平均算起來當然不會像台灣只有在假日玩這麼貴那如果在台灣其實我自己觀察整個旅宿在平日的這個價格其實沒有 |
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真的這麼高這是一方面那二方面跟委員報告剛剛院長有提到說我們之前去南部看到南部在塞車那以南部的觀光來講時常有媒體說國旅崩盤那也會講墾丁雪崩那剛好那一週我就自己往南到墾丁去 |
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第一人很多第二我跟那個旅宿業的業者我不要講哪間飯店我跟那個總經理問問說你們這個月狀況怎麼樣他跟我說報告部長我們破了開幕以來十月份最高營收所以其實國旅當然我覺得要加油要做得更好 |
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但是實際上如果你以旅次來看的話在國內旅遊的人其實也還不少現在的人跟過去可能不太一樣現在可能一個月出去出遊個兩次三次很平常過去可能要半年或者三個月才會出遊一次 |
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其實國旅的狀況像我們剛剛在講的有很多人在抱怨說國旅有一點很討厭除了房價以外就是會塞車為什麼會塞車其實就是人很多才會塞車部長我們繼續還是回來看到旅書的部分Yahoo也有做一個調查有56.3%的網友就是投給住宿 |
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高漲的住宿費是大家最不滿意的地方那天下雜誌也發現呢我國假日房價的漲幅高達38.4%那平均的價格也都是高於其他亞洲國家的那近日也有委員指出嘛在演唱會期間呢有業者 旅宿業者他一下子就把房價提升到平常房價的10倍啊面對委員的質詢呢 |
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交通部則表示只要沒有高於核定的房價這一切都是市場的機制院長對於這樣兩手一擔的態度您能夠接受嗎本來這個很多就是市場機制只是它如果超乎常理 |
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不正常的調整如果違反到我們公平交易的時候我們是有一些法源可以來依據的但現在我們必須要再進一步的了解到這個市場機制的競爭如果大家都這麼做那我們有沒有辦法跟業者來談一個自律的條約因為民眾每次就是有對房價的抱怨就是新聞出現那交通部和 |
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業者的口徑都是一致的那表示沒有高於核定的房價都是市場機制嗎那部長院長你們知道這個機制是怎麼去這個核定房價制度是怎麼運作的嗎其實現在很多訂房的網站你只要很多人訂房價就會往上升 |
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同一個房間 同一個房型如果沒有人訂他房價就往下不只這樣子現在我們叫Uber也是如此同一個時段很多人叫他就會往上升這個就是市場的機制市場其實事實上還有一個制度那旅宿業者他在申報合訂房價的時候他在申請設立的時候他是向當地的主管機關 管理局還是地方的縣市政府來申報並取得合訂 |
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那經過核定之後呢它業者的收費不能超過這個核定的價格那問題是實務上都是業者報多少政府就核多少在中央欠缺地方政府核定的標準指引下這個核定根本是變成了被查那業者普遍呢他會把上限訂得非常高所以平時他在怎麼樣販售他的房間啊這個售價都是不會超過的那我們看到政府上民意 |
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有規範嗎可是實際上就是政府放任院長我們要如何改善這個問題不好意思跟委員報告因為旅宿業是一個市場的機制如果你說政府硬要用一套機制下去壓抑房價的話我覺得對於整個市場的營運我認為會造成一些問題畢竟我們是一個自由經濟的市場 |
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那旅宿我們當然幾個方面我們在想辦法就是包含說他們現在有缺工的問題那讓他們的成本很高那當然這個部分我們也盡量在努力那院長也已經在針對這個移工的部分中階技術人員怎麼樣去協助旅宿業讓他們可以降低他們的成本這個部分我們有在努力他的成本如果降我相信房價也應該會有所影響 |
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那另外一個邏輯就是說大家都說呃旅宿業可能太貴於是住的人少但是我目前聽起來啦他們平日的價格其實沒有那麼貴所以我們會一直要鼓勵大家可不可以平日旅遊如果平日旅遊的話我相信不是講關於房價我們一直在講說這個市場機制嗎我們也要主要遵循這個自由市場的原則可是呢呃有看到日本的旅宿業他們的是有受到法規的約束他有防止烘台價格的 |
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法規 雖然政府不能直接干預嘛 那剛才本席提到也像院長提出 我們是不是可以未來中央能不能訂定一個全國通用對房價的規範呢我說如果 那這個 |
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狀況嚴重的不合理超乎大家可以合理接受的範圍也對我們的公平交易的相關法則有所抵觸那我們應該事先跟業界跟產業界或是工會來談要不要有一個自律內部要有一個自律那我們才跟他談說這個自律是要大家共同遵守那我們才可以說那法律上要不要進一步來做 |
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其實用法律去限定一個價格這到底不是自由市場的一個必要的機制但是如果他嚴重影響到人員的選擇的話他的價格哄抬已經到了10倍這已經是太誇張了所以部長我們可以怎麼樣來約束業者如果太不合理的哄抬你像高雄最近比較夯很多人去住飯店有人反應這樣他們的那個觀光局他們就會去稽查 |
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地方政府其實都有在做稽查的動作就是說如果他抬高到不合理的狀況我相信地方政府也會來做處理我剛剛在建議的就是說我們有沒有可能中央有一個比較大規模的指引這個部分我們來跟業者也一起來討論因為畢竟這個是私人的財產私人的商業行為我們跟工會來做討論 |
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那我們也跟各個地方政府的觀光的主管機關我們一起來討論有沒有可能我們做出一個更合理的溝通因為飯店 旅宿啦再怎麼好的旅宿都可能會有說五星級也有可能六星級 七星級就是跟地方的觀旅局還有跟地方的業者在持續的溝通我會希望房價影響我們台灣的觀光形象那院長我們再來看除了演唱會房價烘台的問題我們再來看到另外一個爭議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
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那觀光署配合環境部的要求是今年元旦起就要求旅出業者不則再提供一次性的備品結果政策一上路問題就立刻發生了在光復廉價期間竟然有民眾接獲業者旅館業者的通知因應禁止提供一次性的備品大家連大碼錢都不提供了引發民怨 |
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事實上在這個政策實行之前大家都擔憂國旅復甦的期間貿然禁止使用備品恐怕會引發各種的問題政策上路後我們有看到業者不僅另外販售備品 |
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也同樣的就是廉價期間連大毛巾都不提供了嘛那讓民眾花同樣的錢就是獲得打折過後的服務還有更差的體驗啊對時光光屬束手無策任由業者自行解讀還有操作院長您怎麼看待這個現象我認為這個基於環保的理念做這樣的一個改變但是 |
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一般的飯店他都會在固定的櫃台或是固定的地方當民眾有一次需要的時候基本的用品他還是會提供的但如果說有業者用這樣的方式把劣質的商品一次賣680元他這次是斷自己的後路以後沒有人會去而已啊我想這個是不聰明的一個做法 |
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環境部規定旅宿業者就是不得提供一次性的備品嗎會有環保的理念還有考量嗎那我們看看別的國家的做法那日本多數的飯店會把備品放在大廳供住客自由取用該節省的節省那也不會縮減他們的服務品質那相較之下台灣的備品卻變成還要另外 |
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我認為在這個競爭這麼激烈的這個商場的模式商業的模式 |
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選擇這樣的方式的業者確實不聰明我認為這是極少數但是我也希望交通部能夠跟地方的相關單位去看一下如果真的有這樣在提供的話第一個要勸解要阻止再來就是當 |
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這個被揭露出來之後這家飯店或者旅宿業他的信譽會掃地真的是對他來講是我們很難確保其他的業者不會跟進這樣子的做法所以我們希望這成為一個就是住宿的亂象之前那部長這邊也請就是觀光署然後還有還是我們地方政府的觀旅局一起和業者溝通做調整然後也避免這樣子的情況在下一次的廉價又再一次發生 |
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向委員報告如果有聽到類似這樣子的狀況我們其實都會通報到地方的觀光的主管單位地方政府請地方政府去做稽查像您剛剛所提到的不提供大毛巾或者是毛巾這件事情那個時候是在網路上的匿名的一個說法然後就變成媒體的報導那我們也馬上請雲林縣政府趕快去做稽查有沒有這麼一回事 |
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查過之後其實沒有這麼一回事委員在講的我認為很合理就是說我們不主動提供飯店不主動提供但是就像日本的那種方式在旁邊我不主動放在你房間但如果你有需要的話可以免費索取的一些基本的備品是不是可以做這樣子的溝通這方面我請觀光署這邊一起來努力跟業者也好 跟地方政府也好我們一起來努力做這件事情 |
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好 謝謝部長那我們在接下來看到院長 不管是房價還是飯店他的房間 他的公共空間他的清潔還是隔音設備或是位於接待流程訂房資訊的透明度還有停車接駁安排都未必能夠與他的價格匹配政府長期以來補助旅宿業者結果很多業者他追求的是補助最大化不是品質的最大化 |
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那所謂的旅宿評鑑多數都只是做表面走一個流程無助於品質的提升那政府每年還要振興國旅那發補助一次又一次那補助變成業者的長期補貼反而養成業者對政府的依賴那補助本來就是要改善幫助業者他們改善他們的體質不是撐到下一波的補助嘛那部長您認為觀光部長觀光署目前有沒有提出 |
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一個計畫要來重新檢討旅宿的評鑑標準評鑑的標準我一直認為整體的觀光的KPI應該要重新去設定什麼時候設定這個部分我們已經都在開會在討論當中包含對於旅宿的也好或者是說對於整體的國家的觀光的品質的那個KPI |
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我們應該要重新來討論因為現在已經在不同的時代亞洲各國也好或者是觀光比較盛行的國家他們對於整個觀光的整體的KPI的設定都不一樣那包含委員在講的這個旅宿我們來加強就是說針對他的一些KPI針對他的要求我們來做不一樣的設定 |
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那請快有討論出一個結果那院長您認為這個旅宿的評鑑標準他是不是應該要和品質綁在一起未來就是要求業者的品質有到達我們才給予補助我希望交通部能夠檢討剛剛說的這個評鑑的內容那針對有在進步的我們給予多一點的鼓勵但是他如果停滯不前的我們有多一點的輔導給他那對於那些服務不好的我想透過市場的機制在這麼競爭的市場上面他會自己感受到壓力 |
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所以我們希望真的院長你有提到嗎總統有提到戴總統有提到我們要以觀光立國那我們希望可以就是真的檢討改革我國的房價制度然後也同時來訂定一個最低的標準讓消費者也可以掌握就是平台抽成的訊息這樣子國有率才真的可以達到物有所值讓民眾願意來支持國有率院長可以嗎 |
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對 我們現在全力在推動國旅我剛剛說過現在交通部觀光署在明年會推出的平日住宿的優惠光是這一項就編了有16億 |
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再加上生日住宿也有優惠生日住宿也有優惠也希望各縣市都能夠受惠院長我們來看到地方的問題桃園的北橫國家風景區從最初的核定規劃到行政院拍板還有相關預算的分配定級資源的盤點到底是停在哪個環節導致這個進度停滯不前部長 院長 |
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跟委員報告這個我們在今年的六月我們有開過會議了我們的委員會議今年有開過研商會議那不過這個還是要經過一個程序因為這個應該是算是在原民的領域啦所以我們需要原民部落的同意地方政府就多次提出中央核定後但是後續的跨部會的協調是不足的而且這個審查中期冗長 |
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而且審查的機制缺乏明確的時程表那目前政府跨區的國家風景區模式人事觀光署主責部長沒有錯吧 |
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目前這個跨區國家的跨區風景區是觀光署在註冊可是土地的管理還有林地的申請交通動線部落法規自然保護區的接線認定都牽涉到不同部會部長您認為所以沒有院長的支持是很支持是很難繼續推動下去的沒有錯那院長您對於這個國家風景區的成立您的態度是北橫國家風景區的成立 |
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他的條件因為現在北橫我們知道他的這個公路的系統並不是完全非常的穩定所以交通部是先做了很多在公路邊坡防災的改善計畫我覺得這個要先做但同時國家風景區如果要進一步的推動的話那同時可以並進 |
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本席知道交通部一直以來對於我們桃園復興區的公路系統一直都是非常的支持不管是邊坡還是道路的優化改善本席也要讓院長知道北橫沿線過去的觀光成果其實十分的耀眼可是現在面臨新的挑戰 |
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更多了 然後它的景點分布也是廣的交通壓力高 在欠缺完整的規劃下地方的經濟沒有辦法被串聯起來而我們桃園復興區的旅宿還有餐飲 伴手禮 農特產品也都欠缺國家級的品牌院長 我們都尊重部落相信這個立場你我是一致的嘛那目前桃園復興區的範圍就有六成的部落他表示贊成那本席認為中央不應該因為他沒有打到百分之百就把這個案子暫時的擱著 |
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那既然中央同意北橫有成立的空間那院長是不是可以來由行政院主導呢或是要求原民會主政那負責協調離奇現在的法律衝突 |
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我是建議交通部在現在對公路系統包括它的隧道、橋樑的工程在改善的過程當中也透過跟園民會一起對部落的同意權我們能進一步當然能夠取得最大的共識將來再執行起來這個阻力困難會越少剛剛我們現在還要做道路的改善同時來併進 |
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我們先不討論道路的部分因為今年七月的時候桃園市政府他就有提出了地方部落的統一辦法還有資源共同管理辦法這兩法之間是存在著衝突地方沒有辦法治理沒有辦法自行處理嘛需要中央的法治協助那中央總不能要地方一直解決問題然後不協助理清難道我們要一直拖下去嗎根委員報告目前市政府那邊確實有針對這個原民組織跟原民部落的這個同意有做了一定的進度 |
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目前還有28個原民部落目前還沒有這樣子的組織會議我們在等桃園的進度委員剛剛有講說有兩個法在進行的我相信進度會有市長您提到在等桃園可是桃園也在等中央的協助因為觀光署就有提出在諮詢同意的過程中因為 |
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過程它冗長又困難產生摯愛所以特別請中央來協助那今天本席向院長提出嘛那是不是可以由原民會作為主責單位呢由原民會去溝通協調 |
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原民會跟地方政府都要來跟地方的部落來進行這樣的溝通都必要的交通部因為是觀光主管部會而且工程的部分也在進行我想有他們來協同行政院能不能夠協助來召開協調會議我們這邊主動來找原民會大家一起來溝通看怎麼樣跟桃園市政府我們三方一起來做溝通什麼時候會有溝通的結果 |
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您質詢完畢之後我等一下就去交代然後請他們去安排會議好不好是 那院長那本席也要讓您知道原民朋友並不是反對北橫國家風景區的成立只是他們不信任政府因為過去和政府的溝通對話都是零碎的有些部落可能他們這一輩子都沒有和政府有一個完整的對話和溝通那他們也會擔心就是這個風景區的成立那如何來管理狩獵怎麼來管水那資源要如何分配 |
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1665.766 |
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那這些疑慮沒有被回應部落當然不會點頭贊成所以院長可不可以明確地要求原民會不要把自己定位成一個審查單位就只是審查同意和不同意而是要明確地把自己當作一個協商的設計者在北橫先建立一個示範的治理模式讓部落一剛開始就可以做上會議直接共同治理院長您認為呢 |
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原民會當然不是也不會是一個高高在上的審查單位他跟所有的族群各部落應該是融合成為一片替他們服務所以做了很多的地方的服務站等等都是在服務鄉親的但是很多部分也要跟地方政府來配合很多的工作才執行的下去讓我會請原民部原民會在這個工作上跟交通部一起來努力也加入地方政府跟原民的部落多多的來做溝通爭取他們的同意 |
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是 那院長剛才本席也有提到嘛目前部落是有六成部落他是同意的那現在推動的方式只要不是全部同意他就卡住了那院長您認不認同就是我們先讓願意加入的部落先串聯起來然後先納入然後讓他們推動治理那沒有同意還沒有同意的部落那我們也保留他未來可以加入的權利那院長您行政院是否認同這樣子分階段分區納入的思維呢 |
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第一個還是要依照現在原民基本法相關的內容來看他一定要達到一定的程度才能夠來往前走所以法律的規定怎麼樣我會請交通部跟原民會共同跟地方政府來做更多的還是要請院長就是來協助啊因為如果沒有院長的協助真的是很難請部長能夠直接處理您對於這個北橫國家風景區的成立態度是能夠 |
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對於推升內需所需要的觀光產業觀光事業多增加景點這個當然也是交通部觀光署在他的整套計畫當中重要的一環所以我們不會只有北回之巔跟微笑南彎我們全國各地都會找更多的景點讓國際的觀光客知道台灣是一個美麗好玩的地方謝謝院長也請院長在折承圓明會那再來我們看到台灣公車客運的駕駛荒院長這個是國安等級的問題嗎您認為 |
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1800.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
所以我們現在希望能夠引進更多的 |
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1801.62 |
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1830.928 |
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也協助訓練更多的駕駛能夠來投入駕駛的工作本席在地方聽到的這個問題沒有被解決是持續擴大目前缺700位駕駛全國公路的運輸市區的客運也缺1400位合計超過2100位過去本席就有在委員會問過交通部跟勞動部的口徑都是一致的有看到問題也試著解決現在目前這個問題解決到哪裡了交通部有 |
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1847.327 |
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1847.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
好 謝謝 |