| IVOD_ID |
165801 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165801 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-25T09:00:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-25T09:16:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6325889ad8f272b5fb6d3e4fdad1b6bcb583d2a9868c2e3ce237e37f99ea3b5ab36baeae8c032c655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:00:26 - 09:16:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員楊瓊瓔等26人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員賴士葆等27人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員許宇甄等24人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」，請審議案等8案。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月25日）三、11月21日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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邱若驊委員請準備謝謝有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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李元豪院長辛苦了齁那在立法院的財化法第二次的三讀以後那我其實非常憂心啦那我今天質詢的重點雖然是交通組那圍繞著整個 |
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左營男子大建設的方向那其實這個跟行政院所有的預算息息相關包含捷運子線包含雖然今天不在交通組裡面我們的國家重點領域校際研究園區4年130幾億那很顯然的我在上週在跟左院長爭取的時候這一筆經費已經受到一點影響了就是第二年就已經開始受到影響了 |
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那為什麼我們高雄現在極力在爭取這一些TSMC第一個廠現在在高雄已經開始在亮廠接下來最少還有五個廠甚至今天媒體報導TSMC還有可能會在南部再繼續設廠因為它兩奈米的這個訂單實在是太滿了其實高雄百浦園區也已經做好準備 |
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也不斷的跟內政部在橋頭科學園區以外的這個擺埠園區做這些區徵的這些道路的開闢也都已經準備好了包含水電等等也都已經準備好了那沿著台積電周圍的包含私運組廠館上個禮拜周子瑜回來了上個月Blackpink也來了 |
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那整個高雄整個左營南梓的發展除了我剛講的這個校際園區之外那最重要的捷運直線最重要的鐵路立體化最重要的還有相關很多這些交通的建設我們必須要有堅強的中央的財政 |
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才有辦法來挹注給高雄那依照上個禮拜上上個禮拜五11月14號立法院通過的財化法我秀一個圖給院長參考如果說依照這個版本的財化法的話高雄在明年度整個中央的計劃型補助可能只剩下308億而高雄今年度就已經拿到497億的計劃型補助 |
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比全國明年中央可以拿的還要多那院長對於這個11月14號的財化法要不要做服役 行政院 |
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11月14號的財化法現在復一的期間最後的期限是本週四本週四那我認為這三天當中立法院還是可以有些作為讓我們知道這部失速列車能不能停得下來再加上上週五又通過了如果依照這個財化法這裡就宣告捷運子先掰掰藍白要封殺高雄捷運子先因為在 |
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明年所依據的去年通過的新版的財發法他必須維持一般型補助2,501億如果再維持2,900多億的計畫型補助再增加統籌分配稅款釋出4,615億那中央絕對破產 |
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中央不只破產而且要違法舉債要違法來編列這個預算就絕對不行所以明年的計畫性補助只得降為308億維持住2500億的計畫性補助高雄今年就有497億的計畫性補助如果明年中央整個全國經費降為300多億的話我想 |
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不只我剛講的捷運子線沒有了還有陸竹延伸線沒有了小港林園線沒有了鐵路立體化沒有了什麼都沒有了因為統籌分配稅款多增四千六百一十五億分配給二十二個縣市所以理論上每個縣市都會多了一兩百億 要數十億所以我們希望像高雄這樣子明年少掉的計劃型補助 |
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就由地方來多負擔一些如果地方不負擔那就把工程的期限往後延這兩個只能選擇為一但我覺得都不是好的方法所以這邊 院長立法院還可以做什麼我在這邊也要呼籲想要在高雄參選市長國民黨的柯志恩委員 |
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你知道你舉手的才化法會把高雄的這些建設毀掉嗎你知道你舉手的才化法會像卓院長講的原本五年變十年變十五年這些建設要延期嗎也希望國民黨想要參選的必須要為自己舉手負責第二個 |
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市權沒有分配台中新北台北多拿那麼多經費每天都在被吵著說要不要補發現金的問題你要不要停止了雙北市長跟台中市長要不要停止這一場荒謬的才化法讓行政院可以真正為台灣區域均衡發展真正為所有的軌道建設來做一個佈局 |
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我想在這邊呼籲在野黨的立法委員也要做這個事情也希望在我們跟地方這幾天繼續溝通之後定版的院版裁判法裡面的分配數字我們能夠詳細計算出來也請各位委員看一下到底對你各該縣市是不是一個更合理的市權跟稅款的分配當中 |
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院長我昨天有很認真的看了一下我們行政院院版的新的財化法裡面把人口從45%降到30%把土地面積從10%升到30%把工業從業人口數升到20%把農林榆木產值等等 |
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也加進來我想這個才是對全台灣均衡發展而且報告委員不只是這個數字的改變就人口而言65歲以上10歲以下的人口我們要加權記眾讓他能夠有多的一些分配額表示我們對老人家對小孩子兒少有更多的照顧而且土地也不是數字的調整農林漁牧他代表各種不同的土地利用價值我們有分別來計算所以這是一部合理全面穩定的院版的才化法 |
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這樣子其實中央可以統籌分配到這些地方的計劃型補助才有寬裕的空間也就是說高雄的捷運子線還有目前高雄的路竹延伸線還有這個林園延伸線也會順利不會去拖到而且報告委員我來自台北市 |
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不能台北市過去拿中央這麼多的補助做了這麼多的捷運現在換到中南部要做捷運了卻中央的補助減少了 |
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這對中南部絕對不公平身為台北市民我敢這樣的負責所有的台北市民也不會希望這樣來對待全國的國人所以一定要公平的去分配我們也希望捷運是進步的象徵各個縣市該有我們就全力來協助謝謝院長另外還有這個我們捷運子縣其實通過醫學院那還有私運主場館那還有整個七所大學三個醫療中心 |
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這個其實我不斷的在追蹤包含在委員會也跟陳部長追蹤那目前在下個月高雄市政府就可以把修正計畫再送到交通部我們還是不放棄我們希望相關的這些建設在細部的部分我們會繼續跟交通部跟所有鐵道局這邊來做一些努力那另外我也跟交通部爭取的就是 |
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你知道嗎 2007年高鐵通車 2008年高雄捷運紅線通車之後其實我們在鐵路的部分我們有做一個連通道到高雄捷運但是很遺憾 2008年之後的中央政府就沒有把這個連通道做到高雄捷運那造成目前我們在爭取這個連通道的時候他必須 |
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在既有的月台在高鐵繼續行駛的狀況下去做這個連通道短短的不到50米可能要耗費超過10億的預算工程越晚做工程進行期間來做確實會影響到這個工程造價的經費如同捷運黃線一開始評估1000多億到現在可能要2000多億 |
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捷運子線也一樣高鐵聯通道也一樣但是我感謝院長感謝部長在高鐵聯通道這一方面先做了這個已經在做細部的設計那也同步可能明年初希望就可以動工這個請部長來回應一下 |
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好 謝謝委員感謝委員一直在爭取確實在高鐵站裡面直接能夠透過連通道走到捷運那個對高雄市民來講是最方便的方法那過去沒有做那我們現在來做那高鐵公司也跟我們鐵道局在合作目前大概編列12億的預算 |
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要來做這個連通道這個其實如果在08年中央政府就做的話我想這個應該是一兩億就可以解決了應該價格會差非常多所以先前的佈局非常的重要我們現在也是在為城市未來的發展來做準備那第二個我在這邊感謝卓院長新台17線原本我們估計 |
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大概十幾億就可以完成那經過包含這個國防部的這些代差代件的計畫這些攻堅計畫等等 |
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也感謝工程會在去年很關鍵的協調了國防部那也讓行政院批示了這個攻堅計畫目前的這個進度正在替國防部興建新的戰備跑道興建完成之後其實這整個新台時期進入難段的二期三期就會非常的快速有機會在明年可以順利完成 |
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那也很抱歉這一條基線從過去可能評估在20億裡面的經費那不斷的努力現在居然要高達60幾億但是這一條對高雄對這個TSMC旁邊的園區來講太重要了目前台積電一個廠外面的翠華路在上下班時間已經塞到高雄市政府又拓寬那已經塞車了 |
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所以新台17線未來還是扮演著北高雄產業園區包含橋樓科學園區到台積電男子科學園區等等的這些南北向的交通在這邊感謝卓院長去年快速的批示我們目前對於 |
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國家重點領域校際研究園區我們還是希望可以有足夠的經費趕快佈局讓人才的部分也可以快速的進入高雄讓人才的部分也可以讓台積電有人才可以用讓高雄也變成這個高雄的二奈米重鎮我想這是指日可待 |
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另外再一次跟院長請命之前院長帶著一架A330的華航飛機來到高雄再跟院長說明一下 |
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我們還是希望新款的飛機A350以及波音787可以佈局高雄可以讓國航把這個A350跟B787波音787可以佈局高雄我知道他們在買飛機啦但是現在桃園現在松山就有的飛機是不是可以用適時的鼓勵佈局高雄過去 |
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我們在高雄市爭取的時候就說高雄的跑道太短沒有辦法飛波音777沒有辦法飛A380這個是過去比較實行在飛歐美澳的航班但是現在主流的航班班機機型就像現在的汽車2000CC就很厲害了 |
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不用開到3000CC像現在的飛機A350跟B787它就已經是飛跨州航線的主流了不用在B777 不用在A380而且沒有跑道的問題了第二個 宵禁的問題我也給院長參考你帶來的A330的航班其實不管是飛大阪或者是飛釜山其實也在高雄航空 |
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高雄小港機場這邊帶來很好的成績載客都八成以上高雄確實就有這個運量那也希望院長跟部長這邊來趕快努力希望把A350B787調度到小港機場讓 |
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美國這些可能台積電的客戶讓可能想要來台灣參加這些大型演唱會就在高雄市運主場館的這些朋友們可以直接搭乘跨州航班來到高雄機場 |
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是 目前美國聯合航空從高雄飛日本轉東京轉東京 這個載客率都80%以上82% 82%載客率那未來華航跟長榮都會引進A350跟B787的新型的客機星宇也有其他321的客機那我再請部長來協調新的客機能不能也安排有 |
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合理適當的班次能夠到高雄的小港機場部長有很多方式包含這些停機的這些鼓勵啦或者是這些國航其實配合一下國家發展也是非常有必要而且我也一再的證明高雄小港機場相關的航班運量是絕對沒有問題的 |
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也希望部長這邊可以趕快跟華航這邊做一些指示那也做一些具體的評估我不要再等他2027年現在才2025年明年還有一整年的時間我們希望明年可能第二季第三季就有看到可能可以飛澳洲可能可以飛LA甚至可能可以飛舊金山西谷的這些航班也出現在高雄 |
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謝謝委員 這個是高雄很多鄉親的期望那明年長榮跟華航就像院長所說的會補充新的機隊那星雲航空也有希望要到高雄去明年就會有些新的機隊會進來我們明年就會來安排一些去跟國際航空來溝通看可不可以安排一些新的大型的飛機到高雄去目前看起來運量是很夠的謝謝院長 |
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那再次為高雄建設請命支持行政院版本的裁劃法 謝謝謝謝李委員 請委員支持 謝謝好 謝謝李博弈委員 |