| IVOD_ID |
16580 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16580 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-10T08:30:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-10T12:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:21:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbdf824e3382b7a8d0c45a0f691f4476394af80a8cb003b9ba750d6cd44ff2cd7a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長及財政部首長就「因應美國關税政策以維持我國農漁畜業及關鍵產業競爭力之協助措施」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:26 - 12:52:00 |
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本日議程排定因應美國關稅政策以維持我國農漁牧業以及相關鍵產業競爭力之協助措施進行報告並被質詢那我們因為昨天晚上我們知道這個情勢又有很大的轉變那川普宣布這個關稅台灣暫緩90天也就是三個月那 |
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1946.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1968.012 |
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所以這個情勢的改變現在經濟部會把他們的報告有做調整等一下才會送過來所以我們等一下這個部長這邊就是做最後的報告經濟部部長那我們現在先介紹我們今天列席的機關首長首先是我們經濟部部長郭智輝郭部長好其實部長那我們農業部部長陳俊記陳部長 |
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1976.493 |
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2001.293 |
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好跟我們財政部次長李慶華李次長好在後面好那我們今天陪同與會的還有我們產業發展署署長邱求惠邱署長好中小及新創企業署署長李冠志李署長國際貿易署署長劉威廉劉署長 |
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2003.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2032.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
那我們農糧署署長姚志源姚署長漁業署署長王茂誠王署長動植物防疫檢疫署署長徐榮斌徐署長農業金融署署長李聰勇好那我們國庫署副署長林秀燕稅庫署副署長倪立新 |
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2033.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2037.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
公務署組長陳文玲和輸出入銀行的總經理謝富華好那我們現在就開始來進行報告那我們是不是先請我們農業部我們陳俊記部長報告 |
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2063.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2082.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
主席 各位委員 各位女士先生 大家好今天很榮幸能夠代表農業部列席經濟委員會以下緊究因應美國關稅政策以維持我國農漁需及關鍵產業競爭力之協助措施做專題報告 |
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2084.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2112.01 |
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美國是我國非常重要的貿易夥伴那去年我國有22.3%的進口農產品是來自於美國那進口值大概是36.9億美元是美國第八大的海外市場那主要輸台的品項包括了黃豆、玉米、小麥及牛肉等那在出口面方面美國在113年也是我國農產品第一大的海外市場 |
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2113.03 |
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2127.243 |
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那台灣消防美國的農產品出口值約8.9億美元我國有大概17.6%的出口農產品是外銷到美國主要的品項包括了花卉、水產品及多種農產品那 |
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依據WTO的資料美國農產品的簡單平均關稅是5%那台灣農產品的簡單平均關稅是16.6%那如果是以農產品的貿易加權平均關稅來計算的時候那台灣跟美國分別是9.3跟4.0這是一個基本的關稅的一個稅額 |
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那113年我國對農產品出口值8.9億裡面那美國我想大家都知道美國在4月2號公布對外加徵32%的對等關稅那當時我們所評估的主要的受影響產業包括花卉類的蝴蝶蘭 |
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2175.254 |
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2202.599 |
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茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚、鬼頭刀、鮪魚等是比較有可能受到衝擊的這六個品項但是大家也知道昨天晚上特別是整個的一個關稅提高又延後了90天才來執行但是這個延後的過程中我想我們還是必須持續關注這個產業的可能的一個衝擊並做更好的一個實踐的一個準備 |
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2218.352 |
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那第三個部分是要跟各位說明的是對等關稅除了增加我國產業的一個負擔那我們持續的做相關的整體評估那從整體面來講我想整個關稅的提高不管 |
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2219.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2241.683 |
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現在的暫停90%或者是以後的可能的任何調整那我們都必須考慮到以下幾個比較重要的一個可能性第一個就是美國消費市場會不會因為關稅的提高而有部分的萎縮因為高關稅的產品對於農產品的價格的上漲那很有可能導致美國消費的購買意願的 |
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2243.484 |
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2260.225 |
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的降低跟數量的萎縮這是我想我們第一個特別要注意的第二個部分就是原來蘇美的貨品消往國內會消往國內造成排擠因為關稅的一個提高蘇美關稅蘇美的產品如果受到相關的 |
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2262.267 |
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2276.507 |
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這些棄單或是轉單的時候那原來蘇美的農產品就會回到我們國內那可能會造成市場的這些其他產業的排擠所以農產業的部分這個部分我想也要特別注意第三個部分是 |
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2278.143 |
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2294.504 |
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關稅如果繼續實施的時候那相對的也有可能貿易商會把這個關稅轉嫁到我們的生產者那也會造成可能的一個農民的一個售價受到壓抑那最後一個就是 |
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2295.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2317.533 |
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我們很有可能被競爭對惹國的殘命所替代那這個替代可能會因為不同國家的關稅的差異性而言這是整體的一個評估那以下也非常簡單的針對六大比較可能受到衝擊的品項做一些說明第一個部分是蝴蝶藍的部分那我們的蝴蝶藍主要的競爭對手國是荷蘭 |
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2319.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2336.586 |
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依照原先的關稅的一個調高那相對的歐盟的關稅是20%但是相對的蝴蝶類有它特殊的一個所謂的接力生產模式那雖然說短時間本身可能會造成一些觀望 |
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2358.178 |
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但是整體來講也會可能因為高關稅而導致被美國進口商抽單或是導致貿易量減少的這些風險那第二個部分是茶葉那茶葉本身我們國內生產大概是一萬兩千到一萬四千噸那我們每一年也從國外進口了將近兩萬七千噸到兩萬八千噸左右 |
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2360.839 |
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2376.08 |
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那我們台灣最厲害的就是我們的拼配技術所以我們輸到美國的這些茶葉最主要是拼配的這些這些商業用茶跟我們國內主流的這些精品茶是有一些有一些差異的而且 |
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2377.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2399.2 |
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這樣的一個差異最主要的影響可能會在貿易商跟我們的進口商那基本上我們的整個自給率還是不夠的所以對國內的茶農本身它相對的衝擊性會比較小一點但是我們必須持續關注那毛豆的部分我們最主要的競爭對手國是國家是中國 |
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2419.133 |
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但是毛豆我們最大的輸出國是日本那大概只有19%左右是輸到美國的部分那這個部分我想我們後續也必須要去關注這些關稅的一個消長來調整我們的一個相關的因應作為無過於是 |
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2420.68 |
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2444.259 |
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我們非常重要的養殖產品的漁業現在蘇美的大概是79%主要的競爭對手是中國還有印尼還有泰國這幾個部分依現在之前公布的關稅來講他們的關稅都比我們高但是我們必須要去注意的就是還是一樣因為高關稅導致進口業者可能的這些 |
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2446.081 |
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2454.757 |
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停止下定或是抽單的一個情形而影響到整個的一個無過於的產業鏈那鬼頭島最主要是一個捕撈漁種那主要的競爭對手國是秘魯 |
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2458.612 |
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2484.081 |
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厄瓜多跟越南那其中秘魯跟厄瓜多等中南美它的關稅只有基礎關稅10%那我們評估鬼頭刀相對我們更應該密切去注意它的一個衝擊那很有可能因為關稅的關係而導致美國市長會轉單到中南美洲那最後一個是鱸魚的部分那因為鱸魚有它多樣性的生產的種類跟它的國家 |
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2500.87 |
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那可能的競爭對手國包括了中國、巴西那由於如魚主要的出國澳洲是大中我們最主要出國澳中所以相對的它的這些緩衝力就會比較大第四個部分要跟各位報告 |
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2501.97 |
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2519.556 |
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我們現在是目前是以美國提高我們關稅32%的情境之下去做相關的產業的一個支持的一個措施那這個支持的措施大概分為三面向六大措施那第一個部分包括金融措施那由於可能可以預見 |
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2520.656 |
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2545.37 |
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這些受衝擊的產業它的資金可能會造成一些壓力所以農業部特別提供了農業貸款的一個加碼的補貼那貸款的利息以一年一年算以一年及最高1.5%的利息差的一個補貼那最高的貸款的額度是五千萬但是這個五千萬可以因為產業個別的需求而做適度的調整 |
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那第二個面向是在產業競爭力的面向我想我們面對的是關稅的一個提高但是它可能也是一個機會能夠讓我們的產業能夠重新調整我們的體質所以我們在支持方案裡面我們也特別重視了整個產業競爭力的提升包括我們更要去強化我們的整個相關的一個冷鏈的一個競爭力 |
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2569.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2591.119 |
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那第二個部分是也希望能夠透過一些經費的支持能夠加速產業的價值轉型那同時獎勵我們農產品加工價值的開發然後提高產品的一個品牌的辨識度那接下來我們也會積極的輔導我們的業者去取得國內外的各種那個認驗證的 |
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2593.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2618.741 |
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的標章然後透過這樣標章能夠讓市場的辨識度對我們臺灣農產品的辨識度能夠更高所以我們也會輔導越者去去取得像GlobeJAP或者是HACCP生產端的HACCP的一個認證甚至於這些產品的這個HALA的認證等那同時我們也希望去輔導外銷極端產區的一個導入極端履歷的一個認證 |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2644.103 |
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那第三個部分也是非常重要的就是一個開拓多元的市場那根據在短時間之內因為關稅的一個提高那我們絕對不能因為關稅的提高而放棄美國市場反而我們更應該努力的去維持美國的一個市場因為畢竟美國是一個我們非常重要的貿易夥伴而且是我們重要的輸出國 |
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2645.684 |
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產品的輸出國所以我們希望透過擴大海外的一個行銷跟所謂的外銷獎勵的方式來協助我們的農產品持續的進軍美國那同時我們在這個時間我們也鼓勵我們這些可能受到衝擊的這些農產品也能夠開發其他的高端市場所以在這次的外銷獎勵我們也一併將 |
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2696.918 |
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銷往其他國家的這些農產品也給予適度的外交獎勵那更重要的是我們也會更有系統的去參加國際的相關的展覽希望說能夠連結國外的通路讓我們的產品能夠持續的對外來行銷那第二個部分是有關於國內市場的一個行銷那國內市場的行銷最主要就是在短時間之內可能因為你的訂單受阻 |
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部分的產品會回到國內來所以我們也希望在這樣的一個情況之下也希望能夠擴大我們國內的這些行銷的一些活動然後開拓多元的通路同時結合企業餐飲飯店等辦理這種跨域的聯合的一個行銷活動希望大家一起能夠協助我們的產業能夠度過這樣的一個難關然後讓我們的產業體質更好那我想最後我想 |
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2723.909 |
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2750.368 |
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農業部將密切來掌握美國的對等關稅的最新的一個發展然後持續與產業保持聯絡不管它的關稅是不是暫緩了90天我想我們相關的產業的座談我們還是會進行希望說能夠透過座談聽取產業的這些長期穩定永續的這些產業發展的這些建議那我想會透過這樣的一個座談吸取這樣的一個建議來持續開拓我們的多元市場 |
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2751.429 |
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2765.947 |
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來維護我們農漁業的一個經營業者的權利那以上報告敬請不吝指正 謝謝好 謝謝我們農業部陳部長那我們下一位是不是先請財政部李慶華次長報告 |
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2777.847 |
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2794.524 |
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主席各位先请大家好那今天贵文会邀请我们相关部会就因应美国关税政策以维持我国农业续产业以及关键产业竞争力的协助措施来进行报告那我们以下请就涉及本部业务部分简要说明如下进行指教 |
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那行政院已经对于美国加征关税的这个政策呢提供了我国出口产业协助方面呢在提出因应美国关税我国出口供应链支持的方案那财政部也配合这个方案呢办理的部分呢还有相关的协助措施我们简要说明如下第一个首先我们来到金融支持方面那我们会提供出口厂商的新台币2000亿元贸易融资利息的优惠针对这个具备出口美国 |
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外销时机或者是它的关联产业的厂商呢透过这个方案可以减轻资金成本的负担也就是我们会提供我国出口厂商贸易融资带放率年利率减码1%那每家厂商呢每年 |
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2867.521 |
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最多可以减收利息500万元那如果是中小企业或者是经主管机关认定受到这次美国关税政策冲击较大的厂商我们的年利率减码会更提高到1.5%那每家厂商每一年可减收的利息最高可以达600万元同时我们另外提供了出口厂商投保1650亿元的输出保险费用的减免也就是透过减轻厂商投保输出保险对国外的买主 |
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2888.573 |
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的徵信費以及保險費的負擔呢最低以百分之就是百分之一一折計收那鼓勵廠商來開發新的客戶以及新的市場第二個我們在公股銀行方面也提出相關的協助措施如果是企業貸款戶呢受到這次關稅因素的衝擊營運呢可以依照這個我們經濟部協助企業辦理銀行債權債務協商的作業要點 |
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恰原来的这个贷款公股银行呢来协商申请还缴本息或者是展延借款的年期那由各银行依照个案的情形来审着处理希望能够舒缓产业的资金调度以及这个营运周转的需求另外我们公股银行也利用自有的资金来办理中小及微型企业的振兴融资方案这个方案我们持续推动中到去年的年底呢我们要今年的2月我们提供1.5兆的资金 |
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为中小微的企业来稳健经营创新以及转型升级提供金融的支持第三个部分是在租税协助方面租税协助方面目前我们已经提供相关的租税优惠来支持我国的出口供应链的产业包含了现行的产业创新条例针对各产业提供多项的租税优惠措施例如研发投底制机投底还有关键产业的研发先进制程设备投资体检 |
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以及投资新创事业的租税优惠还有未分配于实质投资的减除等等我们希望能够协助产业升级转型提升企业的竞争力那此外呢我们因应这个数位以及绿色双轴转型呢协助企业因应国际经贸情势的转变行政院在去年已经提出了产创条例的修正草案延长了十条之一至今投底的这个 |
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施行期间以及这扩大适用范围还有提高了支出的上限同时也修正了第23条之一23条之二我们鼓励资金来抑制新创事业的适用条件未来本部也将持续关注产业的发展以及国际的情势配合这个产业政策检讨租税优惠的措施给予企业支持以及维持国家经济成长的动能 |
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那這次在註稅措施方面呢如果有企業因為受到美國關稅衝擊有繳稅困難的話那依照我們稅監監法的規定呢那些人如果受到這個 |
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政策衝擊產生這個財務的困難不能在稅捐繳納期間內一次繳清繳稅款的話呢也可以依照我們稅捐基金法的規定呢向我們各個該管的基金機關來申請延期或者是分期繳納稅款那第四個部分呢我們也協助來降低企業的這個行政成本在如果是保稅區的通關 |
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原则上我们全部免装这个装箱单也就是从今年四月份开始保税业者如果按月汇报的相关案件呢不再需要减负装箱单那出货每个月只需要汇整申报一份报单就可以了那这个部分可以减轻这个这个课税区保税业者跟保税区跟课税区之间供应链出货的案件呢能够降低他的行政成本 |
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经过统计包含科学园区这些相关的园区总共有1224家的业者每月可以减少制作约20万份的装箱单以及10万小时的作业时间可以降低业者的行政成本在行政成本方面我们另外采行扩大实施海端远端的集合 |
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这个部分也是从今年4月开始,针对这些园区场科学园区的相关产业,我们也会透过保税智慧服务平台扩大实施远端集合,来减少监管海关的实地查核,降低行政的干预,有助减轻业者的法尊成本。 |
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最后财政部还是会密切关注美方后续相关的措施依据行政院整体规划的方案就各产业主管机关评估产业所受的影响以及国际的情势给予我国受冲击产业企业相关的支援以上报告敬请各位委员指教谢谢好 谢谢我们财政部理事长最后我们是请经济部郭志辉部长报告 |
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主席 各位委員 大家早今天承蒙貴委員會邀請就因應美國關稅政策以維持我國農漁畜牧業以及關鍵產業競爭力之協助措施進行報告受到美國關稅新政影響我國產業受到不同程度的衝擊經濟部將全力協助受影響業者因應調整敬請各位委員不吝嗇 |
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美國川普總統於 |
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114年4月2日宣布对包括我国在内的全国多国实施对等关税政策原定4月9日起针对全国180个国家加征对等关税10%到50%不等之税率其中对我国课征税率高达32%但川普总统4月9日宣布全数对等关税措施暂缓实施90天 |
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暫停期間針對所有的國家將課徵稅率降至10%唯有對中國課徵125%半導體、藥品、銅以及木材則尚未公布關稅稅率故不在這次的課稅範圍之內我國作為出國導向型的經濟體美國宣布對我 |
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国家增10%对等关税亦可能对台湾工业产品出口国内产值以及就业造成影响113年台湾对美国出口高达1114亿美元占总体出口23% |
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對美貿易順差則來到649億美元我國主要出口到美國的前30項產品佔我國對美國出口總值的72%其中以資通訊電子零組件為主佔對美出口達65.4%其餘汽車零組件扣件機械零件自行車運動器材家具 |
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售价制品等传统产业占产品的5.8%即便暂缓对等关税的实施政府能应做好完全的准备说明如下总统4月6号公开说明政府因应美国关税政策整体策略强调台湾不会采取报复性措施并在维护我国经济持续发展及加强台美产业合作的前提之下 |
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提出了政府的五大因應策略其重點如下一 透過談判全力爭取改善對等關稅政府已組成談判小組談判關稅比照美加墨自貿協定從台美雙方的零關稅開始談起 |
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另将扩大对美采购以降低贸易逆差并整合出台湾投资美国对以扩大对美国投资深化台美经贸合作此外也将积极解决已经存在多年的非关税贸易障碍 |
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让谈判能够更加的顺利提出产业支持计划给予受影响产业必要的协助行政院4月4号提出应应美国关税我国出口供应链支持方案整合跨部会资源定出9大面项共20项措施总共投入金额880亿元并针对个别产业提供客制化的协助 |
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三、提出中長期經濟發展計畫以及產業發展新策略政府將積極與有門國家合作開拓多元市場同時強化產業上中下游的整合健全台灣產業的生態系並善用半導體製造、IC設計等先進產業的優勢打造台灣成為人工智慧島 |
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推動食衣住行以及軍工安控次世代通信及大健康應用產業發展是台灣嘉義寄一寄台灣加美國新布局政府持續改善國內投資環境積極的解決水電土地人才等各項問題吸引 |
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企业跟流台湾及加码投资此外政府将协助台商布局海外生产基地形塑台湾加一并加强台美产业合作带动业者进军美国市场五开启产业倾听之旅政府将率领团队倾听业界新生随时解决问题让政策更符合产业的需求 |
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产业支持计划前述支持计划由经济部共规划投入414亿元411亿元提供一金融支持二提升产业竞争力三开拓多元市场等三大面向共四项支持措施协助受影响业者稳健转型开拓新局 |
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在金融资质方面经济部加码60亿元针对多元布局市场外销订单提供外销贷款优惠信用保证降低业者采购原料生产以及出口周转金等负担同时加码50亿元挹注在中小微企业贷款提供周转性支出及购买机器设备的贷款 |
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并搭配利息补助及信用保证缓解业者的资金压力在提升产业竞争力方面经济部将投入200亿元推动研发转型补助透过法人、学校建制产业共通性之软硬设备搭配人工智慧技术建立示范、实作或训练场域 |
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除此之外亦补助及辅导业者技术升级取得海外订单及任验证补助范围涵盖新购或租赁设备无形资产等之引进在开拓多元市场方面经济部投入100亿元辅助 |
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企业海外新设展示中心二 花货仓库等实体据点三 货代理经销商等协助企业拓展国际市场布局减少对单一市场的依赖各项措施均秉持重减 重宽 重塑等原则办理 |
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務必協助受影響業者度過短期營運的困難三 短中長期之規劃措施經濟部短期內將採取多項營運措施包括鼓勵國內上市櫃公司買回庫藏股引導已在美國投資業者以代工方式支援國內品牌廠商並促成民間成立 |
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貿易公司整合訂單後分配與中小微企業在中長期方面將聯合海外台商在當地保稅園區代工生產台灣品牌產品推動代工品與品牌商共同開拓先進工業國家市場同時培育數位與AI的應用人才協助產業升級轉型 |
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现在暂缓对等关税实施我们将持续关注后续情况的发展经济部也将设立免付会咨询专业以及网页专区提供业者咨询了解同时经济部亦折成66个产业园区服务中心全面提供实体的咨询及辅导服务 |
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如有無法解決的問題提報至經濟部馬上辦中心將由本部組成應用小組在一天之內提供一對一的協助服務協助解答所面臨的問題政府亦陸續召開產業座談會收集業者心聲與需求 |
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納入支持措施申請作業以及相關政策的規劃包括放寬申請資格簡化審查作業並加強宣導讓業者了解美國關稅新政資訊及支持的措施內容以上報告敬請各位委員指正視教祝各位委員身體健康 注視順利謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們經濟部郭部長的報告那我們現在來開始進行詢答那委員諮詢前原例做以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員5分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘我們上午11點半截止發言登記我們現在請登記第一位邱奕穎委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下郭部長還有陳部長好請郭部長跟陳部長兩位部長早請問一下兩位部長昨天晚上有沒有睡覺昨天有沒有睡覺有啊那你們是什麼時候掌握到這個川普總統的政策轉變這件事情 |
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我們很快就因為他是在臺灣的凌晨發布的嘛所以你們的所謂很快是大概幾點的時候掌握我是早上5點早上5點那陳部長呢大概6點左右好那所以你們兩位的這個報告因為我相信你們昨天準備的報告應該跟今天早上的是不太一樣的嘛剛剛我看經濟部的同仁很辛苦啊還在更改這個今天要來做業務報告的內容就是說 |
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我特別問這個事情是川普總統在4月9號臨時又更改了他的這個關稅的政策現在的關稅政策全世界各國大概有70幾國是調降到10但中國的稅率增加到125%這個對全世界的經濟又引起很大的變化我看今天的台股已經漲了現在是漲了多少點 |
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一千多點了所以那個整個變化是非常的大我要請教兩位的就是說剛剛經濟部也特別談到了這一些現在的90天我們其實無法預測川普什麼時候會再改變他現在跟大家說這個關稅將到時為期90天不知道什麼時候會再改變但是對中國的稅率增加到125%這件事情 |
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我覺得他很有可能還會再改變他的改變很有可能會再提高那經濟部對於這個90天的暫緩期我認為不是對經濟部或者是農業部來講他不是鬆一口氣而是你們應該要更加的滾動式檢討比如說我的推測會不會再引發另外一波的台商回流潮 |
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部長您的看法是什麼報告委員我想這就在我們的推論之內啦我想這個因為所以你們經濟部也做了這樣的推論就認為很可能會引發另外一波新一波的台商回流潮這個我們因為在過去啊就針對這個非紅供應鏈有提出一些這個基本假設 |
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並沒有在這個關稅之前那所以我們其實都有把這個命題我們有經過一些推論那我們現在是要加速來了解在中國的台商他們如何在這90天裡面能夠移動他們能夠移動對他們來講或者他們在中國的台商他只是在服務的這個客人都在這個中國或者是跟中國友好的國家 |
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那這個部分我們就不協助他不是說不協助他就長遠我們還是要協助他因為他畢竟是我們的國人那國人的產業是關心國人產業協助他們發展協助他們未來有競爭力我們優先是他們如果產品是出口到美國的我們協助他移轉生產基地 |
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所以我想這個部分可能經濟部未來的工作不會是只有了解國內的產業對於本來我們昨天以前談的是川普總統科徵32%的關稅所以對於產業造成的影響現在我們要關心的是如果是現在這個狀態有可能更多我們的台商會需要政府更多的協助讓他就像剛剛部長您所說的轉移 |
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他的這個產區所以這個部分可能要請經濟部這邊也要隨時密切的掌控昨天你們說滾動是檢討我看這個滾動還滾動的蠻快的一夜之間就變化很多好來部長那您那個郭部長您請回我現在要請教農業的部分這個陳部長昨天下午我們在前陣的這個漁港談到了養殖漁業對於這個農業的衝擊這個關稅對養殖漁業的衝擊 |
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那其實我們看到台美的這個農產的貿易概況這個逆差大概是達到28億元其實我們比較擔心就是說現在關稅到10 |
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大幅下降了之後其實農業部提出了很多的三大面向六大措施那這個東西其實過去本來就一直在做或者是說做的力道沒有那麼大那現在面臨到這樣子一個關稅的調整是不是農業部應該要更往前更往前瞻的方向去走其實面對到的我想 |
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農業的衝擊其實應該相對是最大的比如說我們談到毛豆美國目前對毛豆的科稅其實只有3.8%那川普總統這個宣布未來毛豆的科稅是10% |
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你這個造成的衝擊政府應該如何因應我一次把它問完然後再讓你一併回答啦然後像稻米如果我們把美國米的這個零關稅放進來的話那台灣米的競爭力就會完全不見了所以對於台灣稻米的衝擊相對來講是高的 |
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那農業部有沒有什麼因應的措施我就這兩個問題請部長您回答好不好第一個部分是有關於整個產業支持的部分那剛才委員講的的確我們有一些措施是過去就有的去做個某個程度的延續但是這些措施其實都是在跟產業在對談裡面以後所得到的所以不管他的措施是舊的還是新的只要對產業好我們都會去執行 |
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那有一個非常重要的就是在這次的不同的關稅的一個情況之下對中國的關稅提得高的時候其實對我們來講是一種機會特別是在美國的這些產地有很多像毛豆像吳國瑜其實都是中國為大宗的輸出國這個時候其實我們可以用更好的新的佈局去搶光這個美國市場所以後續我想我們會從這個方向去協助他們 |
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更去加速美國的相關的一個佈局這是第一個部分第二個部分是接下來可能會談的關稅的部分那我要跟委員報告就是糧食的一個供應是確保我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的農業部的責任所以 |
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以目前為止我們現在美國所關切的是我們的關稅政府購買的稻米大概有9萬4千多噸裡面有6萬4千多噸是來自於美國的他是希望我們底價能夠更透明 |
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那這個部分我想我們在根據政府採購法裡面是可以先公告底價然後價低者得這個是可以調整的但是水那個倒數本身我想我們絕對就會堅守不會讓美國的關稅就是這個關稅降低 |
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因為總統也講過了是從零開始談他不是說全部都是降到零針對農產品的部分院長跟總統也強調農民優先所以這個部分我們會確保所以我們的零關稅的部分對於農產農漁產的部分其實我們還是有採守一個底線他應該不會是從零開始所以他應該還是會有一個底線是這樣嗎 |
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是這樣子的就是農業的部分我想主要的會影響到我們農民權益的會影響到我們產業發展的我們都會去堅持他有必須有適當的關稅去來做一個相關的硬的確保糧食安全這個部分其實部長這個農業跟工業其實很大的不同比如說你說工業螺絲如果今天沒有單他就停下來 |
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但是他停下來他可以減少Maybe他可以減少一些損失可是你養魚 種菜 種米 |
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你剩下的就是剩下 棄下的就是棄下不是說我今天去沒棄 它就停下來它就不長大所以對於農業的整體的影響我認為會相對的它的觀察期可能是要比較長一點所以我們在對於農業政策的調整上面我認為農業部其實也應該可以加快腳步去做這個台灣的整體的農業外銷的佈局 |
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過去我們有好幾次的經驗因為中國突然喊卡不買石斑不買鳳梨不買什麼我們可以自己內銷去做調整但是你現在面臨到的是外銷到美國去或者是一個全球的農產佈局我想這個部分也考驗到農業部的危機應變處理跟我們在整體農業轉型上面我們其實應該要下更多的功夫 |
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去做所以我其實還是支持你們剛剛提到的這幾大面向但是我認為那個錢還是遠遠不足啦假如可以的話我希望能夠把那個經費增加把整個做大讓台灣的農業發展能夠更健全這個是我比較期待農業部能夠去做到的部分非常謝謝委員的提醒我想我們會針對整個整體的這些佈局會有一個更積極的一個去討論好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝邱益穎委員那我們現在因為這個人數足夠我們先來確認議事錄請問各位同仁上次會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏沒有的話議事錄確定好繼續詢答那下一位請林黛華委員發言 |
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好 我們先有請郭部長好 有請部長郭部長 |
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這個川普關稅下的這個海嘯我們國家是產業跟人民就業的唯一依靠好 粉絲呢 針對我們目前不管是昨天晚上的關稅的一個暫緩三個月或者是我們現在政府所提出的相關的一個救急方案 |
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方案本期還是就三個問題來跟我們郭部長以及等一下的陳部長來做討論第一個我們現有的預算補助是否充足到位第二個我如何因應可能發生的失業跟匯率的波動所以等一下財政部也要來上來表達一下的相關的措施第三個擴大對美採購應該要鏈接國家的長期發展的策略好第一個呢我們這個 |
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針對第一個問題現有的預算補助是否到位經濟部你的報告說880億當中有410億是跟經濟部有關我目前高雄的困境我相信部長你有相當的掌握在沒有三個月的這個暫緩的 |
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一個關稅的政策之前我高雄未被列入豁免範圍的金屬加工製品光是高雄的產值有多少金屬加工有2330億這2330億當中有560億是出口的佔了我整個高雄金屬加工製造業的產值的24% |
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好這561出口當中呢又其中又以螺絲螺帽出口總額高達523億也就是這564億當中的出口92%全部都是我高雄的螺絲螺帽好第二個我高雄的現有的產業廊擴 |
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包括我科學園區及半導體廠商受到的政策衝擊最為嚴重因為這些廊帶這些科學園區這些半導體廠商相關的周邊的廠商進駐到我高雄的都是以蘇美的資通訊產品跟電子零件為大宗這兩個輸出的產品資通訊產品跟電子產品 |
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輸出我們在台灣輸出美國的出口達到65.4%所以這個直接對高雄的經濟當然一定產生重大的打擊好那410億能夠提供多久或多少我中南部是台灣船廠的 |
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工業重鎮而且高雄更是重中之重所以呢經濟部提出了個別產業客製化的這個協助策略本期是非常認同的部長這我非常認同你那但是呢我要求就是希望秋季之外也能帶動產業的升級這等一下我有具體的要求這是第一個問題要跟您就教以及第二個階段後續準備跟預算 |
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我們現在規劃的預算比如說410億在經濟不夠的時候您的後面的這個啟動作業又是如何呢第二個問題好我們如何因應失業跟匯率的波動面對關稅對等關稅風暴產業已經基於疫情時代我要嘛就就就減產要嘛我就裁員所以相關後面的報導不管是 |
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彰化的這個水五金已經接收到美國的這個評單了他只好裁員官場包括我們台灣老牌的工廠的大裁員等等所以這會本席在意的是我勞工的家庭生計所以看到我們今年3月的CPI我們的消費者物價指數比去年同年期3月我高了2.29%我已經突破通膨的一個警戒性2% |
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好那再來PPI這個生產物價指數我今年3月生產者物價指數比去年3月的生產者物價指數高了3.53那再加上我這一個禮拜我台幣大貶值 |
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所以我可以預期台灣的膨脹是應該要被因應的這簡單的講我人民的消費的痛苦指數提高了那我生產的成本也提高了那再加上關稅又砍單了那再加上我台幣貶值我出口當然是已經又面臨砍單我台幣貶值的情況之下當然我整個 |
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我們整個台灣的一個經濟的通膨當中我們是很憂慮的所以經濟部提出說好你們提出了利息補貼也提出了研發補助本席都認同但是我更在意的是勞工權益這一題等一下財政部要來回應我因為我有這個具體的建議好 第三 |
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擴大對美採購應鏈結國家的長期發展總統這邊已經很明確的指示了我們行政院已經盤點對農工石油天然氣國防等產品進行採購跟投資好那經濟部農業部將相關採購計畫也要納入國家中產級的發展戰略我想這個你們不會反對但 |
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好我幾個幾項第一個在這個國企國運國管有關天然氣的部分台美雙方已經簽訂了在部長您的支持之下中油也確實去投資美國阿拉斯加的這個天然氣廠我們也會有採購也有投資的計畫那目前也就是要穩定天然氣的供應穩定考量地緣政治本席主張的天然氣國企 |
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國運 國管所以如果將天然來提升臺灣人員安全的自主性就這個政策來講本席是非常感謝郭部長您上來您支持這個計畫所以也因為你的支持中油也很趕快的 |
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本來不想要去跟他跟中油跟日本投資的尼米克公司去談這個延約您支持下他要去談了也配合今天這個政策但本席發現到中油去跟轉投資的尼米克討論後續的展延計畫的時候 |
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最在意的他沒有去規劃國籍天然氣航運人才的養成這是本席最在意的我既然如果全部國企國運之後呢我國管啊只有台灣船籍的船長才會配合國家的政策啊 |
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只有台灣籍的國家的船長才會知道在面臨地緣政治的時候我國家的人員政策國內有危機的時候他會配合政策進來只有台灣籍的船長那船長怎麼來當然從基層的船員啊 |
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大富二富這個這個水手這樣很這個基層上來呀所以這個部分我是要求這個既然經濟部已經開始重啟國際國運但我要國管所以我這邊要求經濟部您這個請中油要特別將這個台灣級天然氣船廠的天然氣船的船長納入這次對美採購合併的規劃這是可以做到嗎 |
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報告委員我們會根據你的這樣的一個方案我們會跟交通部深刻的快速的來檢討將這樣的一個方向能夠落實對因為最後要訓練還是回到台船還是回到中友因為船是他的 |
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那船員還是他的場域是他的啊那包括要支持當然交通部可以來支援這樣技術可是最後在整個實習面還是都是在中油的相關的一個場域內好第二個高雄地區的台灣雕這個陳部長就請你上來了 |
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高雄地區的台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美我現在講高雄喔我的農業當中最危險的就是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美有將近一億出頭的出口額相較於其他的競爭對手包括巴西我的這個關稅他是10%本來我們是32%在這個昨天晚上的三個月還沒暫緩之前所以我們的市場絕對會被搶走我高雄的台灣鯛跟鱸魚的市場就沒有了所以呢 |
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在這邊防範於未來因為這樣的一個關稅暫緩就三個月而已所以如果談判不順利巴西的關稅還是維持10%那我們還是比10%高的時候那您的因應措施是什麼 |
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跟委員報告您所關切的這些吳國瑜的部分雖然說我們吳國瑜的出口量79%到美國去但是從美國來講我們的主要競爭對手國是中國我講的是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對 台灣鯛就是台灣鯛 |
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是 台灣人很努力喔平手不一樣喔進到美國去進到美國去的是中國是佔了66%我們是佔7%而已所以我們的最大競爭對手國是中國那以現在目前為止中國的關稅是遠高於我們其實它是另外一個機會我們可以趁這個機會但是我們另外一個對手是巴西喔它當然中國就已經被排除在外嘛那個是美國它的政策嘛但是在排除中國之後我的最大競爭對手是巴西喔對 |
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所以說整個美國市場如果不萎縮的時候中國這個高關稅不能進去的時候就是台灣還有巴西有可能去競爭更多的市場所以這個部分我們在產業的時候就會輔導他們去加速他們的一個外銷的整個的一個品質特別是條魚跟條凍的這些部分的冷藏跟有系統的生食級的吳國瑜能夠進到美國他的高端市場是維持在那邊的好 走高端市場好 |
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那這邊這個陳部長您請回啦那這個郭部長跟我們的財政部次長來因為我在意的是我中小企業這個財政部啊我在你們這個補貼力學當中我在這邊有個要求 |
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財政部應該統籌八大行庫組成融資專案小組配合我經濟部配合我農業部的產業政策評估將不裁員保證設定於貸款條件當中你經濟部你的中小企業處也要核實的去監督審核到底我這個簽了不裁我政府補貼你這個貸款的利率 |
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那這個中小企業你核定了這樣的一個補助計畫那到底有沒有落實不裁員這件事情我不知道次長您怎麼看是委員我想那個有關於中小微企業這部分的貸款的話基本上我們公股行庫一定會配合來辦理那委員是希望把不裁員這個條件對 |
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加入一個評估的參考 這個我們也會請八大公共航空部來列為參考我想這是一個很重要的原則 我在意的是你拿了補貼之後 到底你真的企業拿了補貼之後到底是不是真的有還是去做相關的套利的動作 我想講這樣應該次長知道我在講什麼所以對於真的可以拿得到立即補貼的 那他 |
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真的是要能夠有不裁員的保證 好不好那第二個針對經濟部提出方案你們對於區域及產業聚落進行補貼分配的專案當中尤其對中小型 本席是最在意中小型企業跟傳統產業所以你410億當中我強烈要求60% |
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你一定要用在這個我的中小型企業跟船長避免資源集中在優勢產業什麼叫優勢產業就是他只有賺錢啊即使我現在面對高官企業他的承受力還有可是面對這個高官雖然我中小企業跟船長是會倒成一片的 |
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那所以呢這個60%是補助在中小型企業跟船廠而避免在這個再去的去補助不是說不補助半導體跟資通訊的還是要但是你至少40%給他們去分60%一定要在中小型企業跟船廠這個部長你怎麼看是這個我們可以做到啦是剛才委員在講說這個不裁員我們也不降薪啦是這是我們的條件喔好好好 |
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很好OK好那在這邊當然也希望美國的暫緩政策這三個月當中請各部會能夠加強跟地方跟產業的務實對話能夠聽取產業的心聲基層的需求作為輔助政策的制定參考我們大家一起努力好謝謝好謝謝林戴華委員那我們下一位請陳廷飛委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我們是先請經濟部部長來 請郭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
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我想昨天已經就一些題目跟你討論了但是我想今天的一個新的狀況就是川普發文說對於我們有75個國家其實已經有做了比較善意的一些談判的需求所以針對這75個國家我們就是這個關稅10%那這10%我相信 |
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對於台灣稍稍有緩了一下可是這久時間就像我說講的我們在這談判期這當中還是會有一些衝擊面就像我們說的這衝擊面我們的馬上辦可以給予多少的協助就像剛剛講的不裁員不減薪不能趁火打劫這才是重要不能說明明沒有影響然後因為 |
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這樣的一個理由而造成我們另外一個傷害我們自己企業體的傷害所以我覺得這個部分我們自己要把持住然後呢在我們針對這個談判當中我們很清楚從川普的發文大概他的目標就是中國啦 |
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包括我們過去一直在揣測的說他就是要把中國的一個真面目把它挑出來也就是當在選舉的時候他不斷的就已經在談到關稅然後呢很多這個中國的企業就是用一個所謂的不同的一個角度去做了息產地的一個調整所以跑到東南亞跑到一些他們比較友好的國家而造成了 |
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美國川普做了一些要做中國制裁的動作包括針對周邊的稀產地那台灣是沒有的所以我真的希望我們台灣反而可以在這個所謂的一個經濟狀況的一個改變我們如何讓我們的廠商可以回流讓我們的一個製造可以在這裡 |
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這才是重點所以我們現在有兩個區塊部長除了我們要面對美國的這個關稅另外一個部分是我們要怎麼讓我們自己的體制更好讓我們在中國的一些廠商可以回流台商回流 |
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這也是最重要的關鍵所以部長麻煩你這個部分再拜託把一些策略政策要做好比較詳細的討論兩個方向一個是怎麼應付未來的談判 |
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我們的關稅要怎麼處理第二就是我們要怎麼讓在美國對於中國產業制裁的當中我們要怎麼讓台商回流拜託那我們請財政部好 請理事長 |
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市長現在我想你也知道每次我們說我們要紓困我們的公股銀行要來協助可是你知道嗎每一次這個帽子開得很高可是做出來的並不是如此因為很重要的一個關節就是訂單 |
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是了解很多我們的銀行端他都會說你有訂單我才要給你廢話這個狀態完全不同 |
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這個狀態現在我們所面臨的是因為我們可能美國關稅的調整而造成訂單的縮減雖然我們現在積極努力要去做一些協調溝通可是當我們銀行端在做一些它的核准條件他都會先看你的背後未來的體制 |
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那跟我們這一次就完全不同啊市長有沒有什麼樣在針對這一波的狀態當中有做什麼調整 |
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報告委員 當然因為銀行他們在做融資貸款的時候他們還是會有風險考量風險考量才是現在壓死大家的重點但是我們目前就是有我們這個中小企業銀行他們跟八大公司一起協助合作 |
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以自由資金來做的這個融資貸款他其實他主要就是希望能夠提供給這個企業做這個營運所需的周轉性的支出或者是說他要擴建廠房機器設備我都知道這些可是我們來自基層我們聽到很多企業跟我們投訴說每次我們去申請總是第一個條件是你的訂單在哪裡 |
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妳的背後體制在哪裡那今天面對這一波就是因為我們有可能要協助的關鍵就是訂單萎縮那妳如果還要在他拿訂單我就跟他說 |
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所以市長我只是要跟你提醒你們要重新盤整也就是說當我們公股銀行在這一波要加入整個協助的體制當中你如果再要求訂單是第一條件那就是白搭了 |
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那就是白搭了應該利用其他的條件這個再拜託次長我們會在那個跟公股事業這些融資座談的時候金融座談的時候我們會提醒我們公股事業因為每次你們都說有啊我們有請公股銀行來協助可是每次公股銀行要求各企業 |
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要去提出的就是他的訂單也就是他未來的發展我知道了解委員的意思就是因為受到這一波關稅政策影響有這個衝擊我們是不是在這個盤點這些貸款條件的時候把這個條件納入考量不要只是唯一一個訂單 |
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因為如果你要求訂單 那根本就不符合我們這一次紓困的一個重點嘛我們這一次是因為關稅 美國關稅的調漲而造成有可能訂單的萎縮這種短期緊急的狀況 人家說的現在是急進性嘛那我們在急診室我們就是要用一個急救的方式嘛 |
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那你如果再要求像過去的條件那就白搭了啊其實各位報告我們這次在那個金融知識方面我們也有提到就是說如果是中小企業或主管機關認定受到這次衝擊較大的其實我們就會做利率的減好 |
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次長 這個很重要 請你要跟大家講而且不是只有跟我們講 也不是跟社會大眾講你要跟公股銀行講 審核端是他們啊他們的關鍵他們要願意放 才有效啊這個次長再麻煩 再來我們請我們農業部部長 |
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部長我一樣在用這個圖啦昨天我有用這個圖跟我們經濟部做過討論這個圖今天增加了一個叫延後90天實行這個當時候也就是我昨天一直在講的我們有一個談判期這個談判期多久不知道談判期越長當然 |
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如果我們在關稅豁免可以更長的話那更好嘛也就是說不用用這個所謂32%那可是重點來了我們還是要因應啊因為包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆五國魚、鬼頭刀跟鱸魚這個我們台灣這個出口到美國的還是有它一定的數額嘛雖然 |
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最大的這個競爭對手都是中國這一次他們被要求了125%的一個關稅所以我們現在是要怎麼把這些市場能夠吸收這也是我們另外一個取款除了我們來協助這些廠商不要受到影響訂單不受到影響另外一個部分是我們要 |
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把中國的一個區塊他們原本佔有的市場這個競爭力把它拿回來對不對因為我相信我們的條件還有我們的品質各方面絕對是好太多比起其他國家所以我們更利用也就是我們的一個轉型在整個國際間這個市場的一個大盤整的時候我們要怎麼去搶 |
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這也是另外一個轉機啊怎麼去搶部長你有沒有好的方向怎麼去搶我就舉齁就是委員也非常關心在台南非常重要的一個產業就是蝴蝶燃產業你昨天有下去做做交流 |
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其實中國關稅提高雖然說我們的競爭對手國是荷蘭但是我們有非常好的供應鏈接力生產的系統他們提出來一個就是要擴大在美國的接力廠的一個投資讓我們的產業能夠更有機會去搶食其他中國沒辦法進來的這些產品所以這個部分我想我已經成立了一個蝴蝶蘭的應變小組 |
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去針對比較中期的我們必須要去協助廠商去做在美國投資或是在台灣更紮根的這些計畫我想我們已經在做盤點希望能夠去多久這個盤點多久這個盤點我想欸時機咧我知道部長你知道時機比什麼都重要我們已經請業者針對你在美國的這些 |
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藍園本身有沒有機會跟台塘合作這個在一個月之內他們就會有一個整理因為有台塘基地在那裡啊對所以我們後續當有了以後我們就會協助說他在國外的資金怎麼取得後續我們會跟財政部這邊還有其他的銀行的部分看有沒有辦法去協助部長我希望因為 |
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我們是趕時間在曬炮我知道我們一定要搶得先機一個月好不好我們盡快把這個東西把它完成一個月把這個部分怎麼去協助他們因為我們台廠剛好有基地在那裡那如果是這樣子的話其實是最適當的只是差在我們的廠商有沒有能力這個能力誰要來協助這個部分我們在一個月之內幫到怎麼樣組成一個聯盟這個東西是要打聯盟的一個團體戰一定要打聯盟 |
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打個人沒有用一定要打聯盟啊因為你台糖基地我們聯盟進去才有辦法去撐起讓大家看到整個我們蝴蝶蘭的市場我們的蘭花市場是可以有另外一個基地在美國 |
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那這個基地剛好我們台糖跟我們的聯盟結合我相信兩邊美國我們台南的這個花卉未來的花卉產業基地那我要拜託部長因為這個4月7號你沒辦法下去嗎因為你在處理這個關稅的問題那跟你報告讓你可以接上就是說花卉產業園區對我們台南太重要那 |
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我們當時候從過去111年的掛牌一直到現在我一直追掛牌我也去到現場那當時候因為這個是集中過去因為集中是竹尾所以我們一直希望說他不只掛牌他還有量能所謂量能就是預算跟人力好不容易我們原本預計說農業部升格之後那麼 |
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他的整個組織編制就可以加進去變成三級可是沒有辦法他容納不進去所以最後我們用花卉試驗所去做結合變成四級那一個月因為那天邀請人事人事處去處理一個月一個月希望能夠把這個事情行政院都合作我也會追一個月因為因為你 |
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如果沒有先把編制處理好你的整個計畫是沒辦法核定的你計畫核定之後所以我們當下也說了五月份我們希望能夠做所謂的環評的預先委託的招標案還有我們的開發計畫同步當我們編制過了之後那麼 |
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整個計畫核准他們就可以處理了無縫接軌所以部長這個部分很重要因為當天你沒有去所以我把這個結論跟您報告那麼還有另外一個部分就是說在我們芒果的部分本來4月9號他已經有召開專家會議但是因為還有一些細節那我也尊重所以4月15號還要再召開一次其實我告訴你整個都收回去了 |
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而且每一個果都是空泡蛋那一看其實都知道了這一次的天氣實在是太恐怖了我有現場我也去看過對 因為我告訴你那個冷熱沒這麼久的啦兩米高兩米弱拖這麼久的時間那個冷就受不了更何況是天氣所有的在第一線種植的農民都說將來不要看過這個情形那我們也看過酪梨所以其實酪梨因為有炸 |
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早出、早生還有中生跟晚生所以你們說可能要拉一點時間這個我接受因為每一個狀態不一樣可是芒果真的不同這一次是完全全軍覆沒所以4月15號拜託不要再拖了這個部分再拜託然後還有18間農會的部分我們當年已經都配對好了 |
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誰處理誰 誰處理誰都配對好了我們經濟委員會謝謝我們蔡義渝召委給我們這個機會然後由立法院的經濟委員會去給18家農會都做了配對就是說什麼農會找到一個單位到一個農會找到一個單位都配對好了 |
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我們希望可以大家照這樣的程序下去進行那把農業不論是現在面對的國際競爭或是我們國內我們都可以給農民有安心謝謝 部長好謝謝陳廷飛委員那下一位請張其凱委員發言 |
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行政經濟部的郭部長跟中小新創企業署的李冠志李署長好請郭部長跟李署長 |
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面對這個川普這個高關稅的這個海嘯啊大家都吃怕命 補頓輸頓 大家現在朝野同心我們共赴國難 對不對共體時艱結果沒有想到總統府的副秘書長竟然還在大造謠破壞團結我看這個消息來源應該不是經濟部吧他昨天公開上節目 |
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他講啊 立法院簡列了中小跟新創企業的科技應用砍了兩億 我跟你講這個事情我是不是請署長給你報告來 署長 有嗎 |
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報告委員 這個昨天我們也是接到相關的訊息他只是想說這個預算的一個討論過程我們也有說明說這樣子的一個過程當中最後在中小企業相關的預算也收到我們各黨派朝野各委員的一些支持那有被刪減的部分是屬於統三的部分 |
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就是在你的這個科目清清楚楚嘛中小跟新創企業的科技應用這個編了18億多嘛一毛錢都沒有刪這總統府的副秘書長顯然對立法院的這個預算審查非常的不清楚第一個 當初為什麼會提要刪減 第二個更重要喔這個溝通過程 這個為什麼後來會撤案因為你們也很努力嘛 對不對 |
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報告你們都有來溝通啊但是報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 報告委員 |
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往那裡看好不好18億18億部長是就這個案子很清楚的 |
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其實一張造謠就造了四筆你的預算啦你經濟部你這麼大對不對他鎖定了你的中小輕創署啦他提了四筆預算我今天就很清清楚楚跟他講他這筆預算都是有問題而且他完全不了解立法院整個運作過程第一個要提刪減跟凍結當然有理由這個要看案流嘛第二個他也忽略了他不曉得你們部長你們來溝通署長都來辦公室都溝通過嘛 |
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一個案子為什麼會來一份測案那不是只有看上面蓋了一個測案那是一個經過溝通的一個過程那經過經濟部的這個努力他等於抹滅你們的努力他連這個都搞不清楚啊就是你們來溝通我們剛開始是說可能做得不夠好或者要做些改善所以要刪減嘛對不對啊你們來溝通你們說會做好嗎 |
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所以第一個他們總統府完全不了解整個預算的這個過程第二個他們也忽略了你們這個努力跟我們溝通的過程這個案子就清清楚楚本來要3.2億的經過大家溝通完說這個我們會好好做所以這個案子就撤掉了這是第一筆好來我們再看第二筆一樣是你這個單位的這筆預算叫做經濟部中小跟新創企業署的 |
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中小新創企業發展變成3億4千多萬這個本來要 本來是要減去8億多的嘛那經過你們的努力來溝通針對他們的提案理由 我們會去處理嘛所以這8億多 一毛錢 一天都沒有刪啊 對不對今天 對 對 所以都沒刪嘛 |
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昨天公開造謠,說這個錢被刪掉了,一個2億元,一個10倍後面他還提了一個,第三個還有一個凍結案32億的這個預算,就是你們這個中小跟新創企業發展向下的強補助費,32億他說我們本來要凍20,這經過大家溝通啊凍結有它的理由啊,凍結希望你提出一些改進嘛 |
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阿部長跟署長你們來辦公室討論完之後委員會說好那我們達到你們確定會把它做好所以這個凍結案就沒有凍結20%也沒有阿結果他竟然在媒體上面公開講說我們刪了10多億凍結了3億多這都說不算吧沒有啦 包委員他是提統刪啦沒有造謠啦 |
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我想這一部分大家認知上面的界定就是請委員也能夠了解你嚴重誤會 你是在幫他掩護還是嚴重誤會統三是另外的錢嘛統三是另外的錢 現在講的是這個預算的科目都清清楚楚企業發展還有科技應用 這跟統三有什麼關係 |
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你說的桶山是另外的部分現在就針對他認為他只提桶山所以他認為他嚴重的錯誤所以說第一個他對預算不清楚第二個他不曉得為什麼會提立法委員為什麼會提這個案子他來看案由第三個他要看我們溝通的過程 |
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我們已經溝通好了所以才會測案啊一般怎麼會出現測案如果溝通無效我們沒有感受到你的誠意沒有感受到你為人民是要解決問題的這個就不會測案了嘛大概是肯定大家要肯定經濟部的努力肯定立法委員提出要幫人民勘緊荷包而且要解決問題嘛結果他沒有從這邊不一樣的思考所以他不只嚴重誤會嘛最後才說他是誤解那我今天要問的好我們把他的誤會跟他的誤解對立法院不了解我們今天把它講清楚了 |
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第一個我要問啊他造謠資料來源是你們嗎?為什麼講的是你們?沒有嘛對不對他是就那個統三後的結果來說明這件事情時段不一樣時空不太一樣啦這個委員我想這個也不是說他在造謠啦我想每個人對 |
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一件事情的認定可能會有時差有時差啦譬如說我們現在來討論昨天以前的事情那跟今天的情境就會有很大的差異嘛古年常常在說32%的事情現在變10%嘛我想這是時間的問題啦請委員可以了解啦所以總統府的副秘書長張端涵還活在 |
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時空背景完全不一樣他還活在過去那過去一個我們這麼努力這麼努力已經撤大的案子他竟然還拿出來講時空錯亂了嘛第二個我今天要講的是他嚴重嚴重的他是閉門召集還是對立法院的不了解還是造謠所以我們很清楚的我們很清楚柏定你一定要幫他圓一個地方你一直在講統三我先跟你講一下柏定你不要一直把統三掛在這裡他講的這四筆都是你經濟部跟統三無關的預算啦 |
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你等一下再詳細看這四個我剛剛已經列給你聽了這四筆跟統三都沒關係所以我們會非常嚴正的不是只有譴責我們要求總統府要求總統府要更正要道歉那今天我也更進一步的問了經濟部的你們不是供應者嘛對不對這是他自己閉門召集的嘛所以他更應該進一步的趕快要澄清要道歉那一樣喔 |
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一樣喔 以前都是一條龍狩猎喔總統府講完 或者部會首長講完之後他們下鄉就開始講了喔你們以後被問到你們下鄉被問到 你們幫我們解釋清楚喔不要讓人民以後被誤解 好不好被誤導謝謝委員好我請到 請到農藥部長好 可能要加快時間好 加快問好委員長委員長 我知道這幾天很辛苦 你都下鄉了啦我問你這個 現在我們的農漁民啊 |
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看起來蠻緊張的啦你昨天你有感覺嗎 對不對你跟他們在座談這個過程他們說啦這個零關稅啊衝擊非常大養殖協會的歷史上在那邊說說哇 只有聽到零關稅啊很多人嚇到 |
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下個鑰匙那你在跟他們溝通的過程裡面我相信你們接到他們很多的很多的聲音了養殖協會理事長在這裡說他說啊不要講零關稅關稅我們稍微降一點點肌肉這個進口商啊就會大量的這個解禁產業少的關稅保護以後會措手來不及措手不及養殖協會理事長這是你的老朋友啊潘連做怎麼說 |
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他說雙邊談判不能夠犧牲農民假如真的是零關稅進來那對整個養雞跟養豬會一敗塗地另外講到一個重點就是我現在要特別問你的美國他們在要求要把美豬進口的產地就是美國要拿掉對不對要把瘦肉精成分要拿掉對不對這個你會讓步嗎政府不會讓步吧 |
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我跟委員報告就農業部主管的部分包括整個產業上面來講我們未來跟美國任何的一個談判絕對是會保障我們產業的穩定發展確保農民的一個權益這是一個大前提在這個大前提之下才會去談後續的一個關稅的調整那關稅的調整也一定會考慮到 |
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雙贏的一個局勢就是說我們有些產品是美國進來是我們是沒有什麼生產的像黃小玉很多部分都是從美國進來的他可以協助我們降低一些成本所以我們在談判的時候不會犧牲農民這是一個非常大的一個前提 |
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現在就是總統宣布了從零關稅開始談嘛是所以我們農移民現在都緊張啦你說看得出來這個都是很大咖的這個協會的理事長都出來說嘛養雞協會 養豬協會 對不對我也跟他們也講過了總統所講的零關稅開始不是說所有東西都零關稅然後總統跟院長也一直強調很多東西都是農移民優先所以在關稅的談判過程中 |
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絕對不只有農產品在談所有的貿易產品都會在談但是我們農業本身一定因為兼具有糧食安全的責任所以我想大家都認知到這一點而且這點有高度的共識我想我們一起努力來做這方面的這個氧氣協會的理事長邱石恩一直在講不要講零關稅啦稍微降一點點那個整個雞肉市場那個影響就很大了所以要 |
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要挺住啦,我是覺得要幫我們農民民要多爭取,這是第一,好不好?要爭取,不只不要零關稅,就很多關稅不應該動的就不要去動它了,對我們衝擊太大,好不好?另外,我剛剛特別講那一點就是他們美國,我知道美國一直有壓力 |
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美豬的這個產地還有瘦肉精的這個要拿掉這個你要挺住喔這是嚴重影響到我們健康跟食安喔沒有我剛才我跟委員報告剛才我在接受訪問的時候我也強調了就是我們的所有的很多產品都有原產地標示不是只針對美國也不是只針對美國的豬肉 |
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那原產力標是一個重要的就是讓消費者知道他的吃的東西是來自於哪個國家這是讓消費者吃的權利這是我想我們的態度是一致的是用這樣的方式 |
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馬上馬上 部長美國那邊是有壓力一直要把這個拿掉對不對 把原產地這個拿掉 還有瘦肉精這個拿掉我想我們現在所看到的是他們的貿易障礙裡面的報告 那是一個官方的報告所以是壓力很大啊 所以我今天才會問了三次啊 要挺住啊 我們會堅持嘛對不對 |
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對 我想我們一定會配合政府的整個政策去捍衛整個農民的權益跟確保產業的發展這是一個大前提跟大原則這影響到我們的健康跟食安喔要挺住好不好我們我相信全民跟立法院都會認可啦好不好我們一方面現在就是一方面就是美國當然會開他們的清單出來可是哪些地方我們不能讓特別是健康跟食安我絕對不能讓好不好挺住 好 大家謝謝好 好 來 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張祺凱委員那下一位請楊瓊英 楊委員發言謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言邀請兩位部長好 請郭部長跟陳部長喂吼 |
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兩位部長好美國總統川普宣布對等的關稅那他的這個生肖日期進入了90天的豁免的談判期那請教部長你認為美國突然喊停決策的策略它的因素是什麼呢 郭部長 |
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報告委員我想這個是他們的談判的這個手段那基本上他拋出一個這個高的這部分在美國的這個有他的自己一個做法那我們只能提因應的辦法因為大家都在對這個中間可能會發生什麼樣的變異大家都有做一些這個變異那但是因為他 |
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在4月9號我們有70多個國家跟他表示願意跟他談我相信他很難這個在短期間裡面就做出一個正確的判斷所以他願意跟這個希望跟他談的人在90天裡面談完這個我想是他一個最大的一個改變最大因素也就是說很難在 |
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很短的时间做正确的判断这是郭部长你认为他这一次的转变我的意思就是说每一个国家跟他谈之间的关系是不一样的 |
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所以他认为他主要还是针对中国因为中国反对他所以他就在中国加税那这样子的话他对这些其他支持他的这些国家因为跟他谈的国家当然不会说到你马上遭受到一个很大的困扰所以我想这个是他们提出一个解决的方式抛出他美国的一个说90天大家来慢慢谈 |
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好所以本席也認為這當然您所說的這個也是一個談判的技巧那也是一個因素那同時也本席也認為在美國的股票裡頭跟債券市場的壓力這個應該也是成為因素之一當然很多的因素很多的變化但是我們現在得到的答案也就是進入90天的這個 |
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豁免的談判期但是我認為我們最重要的就是我們必須要理清楚我們就是理清楚美國在談判的時候呢他們想要什麼那我方又是什麼樣的主張那美國財政部長呢貝森特他也特別說了因為在其他的國家這七十幾個國家的談判中涉及到一系列的議題包括了這個LNG交易 |
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非關稅貿易的帳 壁壘貨幣政策還有補貼等等每一個國家的量身定制是通通都會有所安排所以在這邊請教部長我們預期什麼時候可以開啟談判多久可以談那麼可否可以加速 請說明 |
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报告委员我认为我们的状况相对简单我们跟美国是非常友好的两个国家第二个台美在科技上面其实是完全互补的 |
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所以他認為這個是比較好談的所以我們也在表示我們願意跟他談其實在很早就跟他講我們願意跟他談所以我認為我們應該會在第一波談判的第一波會在三十天內會談嗎 |
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至於這個是不是30天或者60天或者90天我想美國有美國的判斷但是我們以我們所準備的程度我們都會我們希望在第一波我們在第一波的時候怎麼談越早談對我們越有利我們在第二波的時候又要怎麼談這個我想我們有沙盤推演都有把這些情境來做分析然後做推演 |
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昨天國防會的主委也說了他說了我們是優先那您今天說我們應該會在第一波那我們也希望因為越早談對我們是越有利這也是賴總統在投書彭博外媒的時候他提到 |
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我國將要加大對美的採購那包括了什麼 能源 工業 農業所以我要請教部長喔這個是我們的方向嗎因為昨天本席請教你的時候你說要看美國想要談什麼那我說我們也要有我們自己的主張嘛要保障我國的產業跟農業 |
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對不對好 所以在這樣的情況之下 本校要請教是不是總統既然投書了針對於能源工業以及農業那是不是你們兩位部長會朝這個方向這樣的項目 請說明經濟部會朝這個方向經濟部 那農業部呢 |
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我想農業部有非常多的品項也是跟美國有高度互補所以在對互補性的這些農產品我們也會加大我們採購好 謝謝那再請教郭部長跟陳部長我們談判的方向 項目我們確認那請教我們預估我們的金額會有多大的規模你們一定有沙盤推演啊 郭部長 |
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您的意思是說我們大概有多少報告委員我想這個都一直在加大隊沒採購嘛那你的金額你大概預估大概預估啦應該我們盤點政府的部分啦大概應該有兩千億美金可以談啦 |
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兩千億美金可以談對然後還沒有加上這個民間的啦現在政府部門大概兩千億美金就是就政府跟國營始業在未來我們可以跟他談的金額大概就是兩千億美金那這裡面是包括我們大概十年我們規劃十年可以買進的十年政府部門大概兩千億美金 |
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還沒有加上民間的所以我們現在還在整合民間可能購買的金額有多少那這樣子一包去跟他談的話可能更能夠有誘因因為政府說對美的天然氣那我們採購會擴大到三成這是昨天我們得到的訊息那麼是不是如此現在方向是不是如此方向應該是這樣子 |
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方向是這樣子就是天然氣的部分會擴大到三成當然昨天你也談到阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的投資那請教郭部長還有其他能源的項目對美購買嗎請說說還是有啊還有有什麼項目呢 |
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譬如說我們在能源有很多種科技上面的能源有一些科技的能源或者是我們有很多的我們在發電上所用的發電機這些都可以跟美國購買對 這些我們都是也擴大項目 |
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就是我們盤點在未來十年內我們要投資的各項能源的措施包括有很多民間的這些智庫然後他們也推薦了很多新能源包括新能源 |
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對 都有推薦讓我們做參考我們會把這些資料整合以後提供給台灣之前您也一直在說任何的新技術的能源那麼我們都採開放的態度是不是一樣這樣的立場所以這件事本下請教總統也提到在投書當中他也提到加大投資美國那他說看到電子 |
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資訊以及資通這個通訊技術能源和石化等這些領域的新商機那請教我們是不是要推動這些產業到美國投資請教如何的來投資你規模又多大請教部長 |
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國務部長報告委員我跟你講這個就是我們在調整在調整方向是這樣子但是廠商廠商願不願意跟著這個方向這個廠商做決定但是廠商一旦決定他們願意打國家隊然後到美國去成立一個這個可以整合的這樣的一個公司作為生產的時候我們就協助他出海落地所以這兩個方向協助他在管理上面來努力第一個協助產業如果產業願意 |
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第二個如果產業還不達到的時候國營事業會鼓勵過去嗎我們有很多種方法啦國營事業會不會我們不一定要國營事業過去不一定要國營事業其實那個國營事業的產品去那邊沒有辦法製造再送給再銷售給美國國營事業不一定好那接下來本席要請教農業部長 |
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非關稅貿易的這個障礙在當中呢你認為美方最在意的非關稅貿易障礙在你的這個主管範圍內你認為美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼我想 |
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非貿易關稅障礙裡面一個非常重要的就是我們針對某一些品項做有他的進口的額度的一個限制那以現在美國所關切的稻米的部分他們是關切稻米的關稅配額內的裡面的底價的訂定我們並沒有公開 |
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那因為根據我們現在政府採購法我們底價是沒有公開的但是政府採購法也可以用另外一個方式我們可以採底價公開價低者得比底價越低的方式那這個部分我想我們也會做適當的調整 |
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您就適當的調整因為總統的說法呢我們要跟美國是以零關稅的基礎來展開產干談判所以我們的農產很緊張在這樣情況之下甚至有學者評估那台美零關稅的話會我們的稻米我們的雞肉我們的豬我們的鮮奶會衝擊非常的大那到時候你要怎麼樣去保護我們譬如說米 |
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如果零關稅 它的價格比我們低然後它又有大量的多樣式的優勢那當然米商會很緊張 我們的米的產業很緊張雞肉如果拿掉了關稅 那它的價格又降下來那我們的知己率可能達不到50%雞農很緊張 雞商也緊張那比如說我們的豬 也是同樣的這個狀況同樣這個狀況 那代表著如果 |
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你會在談判的當中會將這一些的條件來鬆綁嗎我想剛才委員所提到這些針對我們糧食安全的相關的品項的部分我想我們農業部我們會堅守我們的立場堅守立場是什麼呢 會不會鬆綁產地的標示非常的重要安全性 萊克多巴胺也非常的重要 |
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我們所有的跟美國的相關 你會不會鬆綁你的立場會不會鬆綁我們的立場就是我們要穩定我們台灣的產業我們要確保我們的農民的權益在這個前提之下我們不會讓步就是針對這樣子 好一句不會讓步我給部長說明2021年進口萊豬的時候您 我們的政府對台灣豬農以及消費者的承諾那這是絕對不能棄守的 |
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棄守的社會也沒有辦法接受所以我要求一個資料一個資料也就是針對於如果零關稅我們衝擊這麼大的這些農產產業那你的具體措施要怎麼樣去保護他們你請書面資料給本席再請部長把書面資料給委員好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝楊瓊英委員那我們這個鄭正前委員發言後休息5分鐘好請鄭委員發言謝謝主席我想請一下經濟部郭部長然後農業部陳部長還有我們財政部的李政次謝謝請上列官員 |
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我想首先先請教一下三位因為接下來美國這邊要延長90天才執行對等關稅的部分我們開始要進入很重要的談判的階段賴總統提到一個我們要從零關稅開始談我想請教三位部長跟次長怎麼看我們零關稅這個主張先請郭部長 |
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報告委員我想就零關總統雖然是指示零關稅開始談所以是零關稅開始談所以這個不是說談零關稅我想這個在質疑上面總統已經解釋了非常清楚零關稅其實是個目標嘛能不能達成其實是另外一件事嗎 |
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那因為我們目前的這個稅率啊就工業品來講我們現在對美國大概4.8%美國呢是3.1%所以這個gap其實是不大會從這個上面去談然後這個製造業關稅降為0嗎政府大概沒有這個預設立場我剛才講是他從0開始來談 |
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那整個談判他會整體考量我想這個談的目的總統的指示就是說對產業的影響要抓住所以提供給談判單位他們會去綜合的考量好 部長簡單您這部分這樣可以我想請教一下陳部長 |
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跟委員報告農業的部分基本上相關目前因為目前的我們國內的農產品平均關稅是大概16.6那如果用貿易價錢的話大概9.3、9.4左右那是有比工業產品還高一點但是農業有農業的特殊性農業有確保糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以在未來談判的過程中 |
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針對糧食安全必須要去確保這些品項我們都希望能夠維持我們現在處理的模式來確保我們產業的穩定性至於其他的一些美國輸出的比較少的對國內影響比較小的這些產品 |
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談關稅的過程中也不是一步到位不管是關稅是談到多少也不是一步到位一定有它的其成那個請一下李政次 |
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我們基本上財政部因為我們不是談判的代表但是呢剛才兩位部長講的就是我們的方向那我們財政部這邊的這個重要的政策就是說我們配合提供所有的關稅目前進出的好理解喔那我想問一下總統在講零關稅開始談的時候有沒有跟郭部長或陳部長這邊有溝通過這個部分 |
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還是沒有就是行政院經貿談判辦公室他們就直接訂出一個這樣的一個策略我想整個談判本身行政院有行政院的一個招一個談判小組然後包括OTM的部分然後相關的這些所以他們之前在訂這個零關所以這有沒有跟陳部長或跟郭部長這邊有談過我們有交往過一些意見有交往過一些意見郭部長這邊 |
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都有啦 這個不一樣OK 好那我為什麼特別這樣問的狀態其實是因為我們講零關稅因為我們對美的一個貿易順差有700億那很大一部分在我們高科技的產業坦白說或中小企業都有貢獻可是我們農業是逆差的我們以去年來講我們農業逆差大概28億對不對所以事實上在不同的狀態的時候我們要怎麼樣同樣用一個零關稅去談呢這是一件我覺得很值得去討論的事情 |
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然後另外一個部分呢就是我昨天有特別請教郭部長一個狀態就是說因為有特別提到說行政院完成對盤點對農工石油天然氣產品的一個大量採購計畫嘛我昨天問說那我們政府這邊對這個所謂大量採購計畫的規模大概是多大你昨天跟我講說因為是談判的籌碼不能夠透露可是你剛剛跟楊瓊瑛委員講說我們政府大概預計要有兩千億的規模 |
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對不對 兩清一的規模你覺得剛剛是回答楊強英委員這個部分嗎是 剛才回答的部分是我回去以後再了解一下的那大概是這樣的一個規模但是事實上談判啊 會用什麼樣的規模跟美方談判這個是我不清楚的事情OK 我只是要特別講的是因為昨天我在問這個部分的時候你跟我講說因為是一個談判的籌碼不能夠透露 |
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可是剛剛楊軒文問的時候你直接講說我們政府採購大概會有2000億的規模10年然後還不含民間的一個部分所以我針對這部分的時候我想說部長這邊多了解的時候我在想說我這邊也不做太多的一個那個責難不過我很想知道我們到底有哪些籌碼在跟美國接下來這90天的談判過程當中的時候能夠為台灣爭取到最多的一個資源因為我這邊我要特別講一個情況是 |
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川普目前在做關稅顯然其實是一個很清楚這是一個他的一個工具他其實是要讓整個很多全球的一個高科技的製造業能夠回流到美國去那台積電其實願意投資1000億的時候我昨天也特別問了就說他說台積電如果沒有兌現要課徵100%的關稅那你昨天是回我說你還不曉得這個狀態對那這當然是也許是一個放話部長這邊也要特別做補充 |
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報告委員 昨天你的這個垂詢以後我們回去去了解這個命題 |
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那這個是有這個智庫回應給我啦他說這個是川普在跟其他人談話的時候說你看我在把台積電啊帶到美國來他現在承諾要投資一千億美元是因為我之前告訴他你如果不來我就是要剋你可是前後邏輯有點不太一樣那是不同的話OK好理解 |
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所以你覺得媒體報導有失真啦是這個意思對不對好那我接下來因為時間有限我就先直接進到一個狀態就是因為這次的那個880億當中的時候700億是經濟部主責嘛然後針對經濟部這邊出來是410億但農業部這邊有180億 |
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那我想特別問一下因為我剛剛有特別提到說農業不止180億當中分成三大面向六大措施來做那其中有一個部分是開拓多元市場高達72億那我想請教一下陳部長因為農業部近年的一個年體媒體那個跟媒宣的費用大概都落在1.16億到1.46億之間然後這個已經是高居各部會的一個 |
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之冠 前幾名那如果再加上特別預算和非營業的一個基金的時候整個媒體宣傳費在4.1.4億到2億之間也在排行也在各部會的一個前面現在用到72億要去做這樣的一個宣傳的時候那我們等於是 |
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農業部三四十年的一個預算我們要怎麼去用我們請部長做一個說明我想委員誤解了我們所編列的國內外行銷不是在媒體放廣告行銷我們是真正的就我以國外的行銷來講分兩個部分一個是我們會鼓勵這些 |
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目標的這些市場裡面的我們農產品拉的一個外銷獎勵然後另外一個部分是我們會帶我們的所有的業者重要的業者到不同的國家去參加展覽去做這樣的一個行銷那國內的行銷我們會結合賣場去做實質的對接 |
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Event不是一個媒體行銷所以你講說這72億當中大部分是在做Event的行銷對不對 活動式的行銷對 然後還有外銷獎勵的部分跟外銷獎勵嘛因為我要特別講到說因為經濟部才410億然後農業部這180億可是因為整個的規模不一樣那我們其實在整個農業這個部分的時候我們剛剛也提到說我們密差是28億 |
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算起來等於是不到三百億兩百九十幾億的台幣那我們要我們要花一百八十億來應對這樣子的一個狀態的時候在金融支持這二十四億我覺得可以沒有問題我去做一個農業的一個貸款補貼的一個支持我就沒有問題那提升產業競爭力這八十四億因為我看到這些工作是本來農業部就在做的工作 |
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所以這個84億這邊的時候他現在在做我就不太理解說這不就是原本農業部本來就要做那我們針對這個美國這一次的關稅當中的時候我們直接把這個181億推出來的時候然後我們的效益到底在哪裡有沒有做過比較具體的一個評估還是因為時間很趕我們就把它列出一個目標框列出來 |
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我想我們的一個目標因為整個外銷到美國如果受阻的話那第一個就是說我們農產品必須拉到其他的國家去可以會不會強化但是相對的國內的這些標章特別是強調標章的這個部分是在我們的過往的是沒有特別去強化它 |
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那我們在一個體質的提升的部分我們希望說針對這個受衝擊的產業有更多的資金去預助讓他能夠快速的成長特別是中國現在目前關稅很高其實對我們來講是一個機會所以我們希望說有更多的這種海外的佈局跟海外的這種產品的一個輸出是一個機會 |
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謝謝沈部長我在想我最後講兩個點就是為什麼一開始問到零關稅這個部分因為其實我們在WTO的框架當中的時候從GATT開始的時候我們如果是有零關稅它其實是要那個最惠國普遍的一個待遇 |
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然後各國都出現這個狀態我們要對所有的WTA的國家都去面對同樣的狀態那對台灣的衝擊其實是很全面的這是一個點所以我看到關務署這邊原本的預計今年的預算是1623億 |
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那我不知道這東西如果說真的是關稅用零關稅一談這時候會變多少這先不用回答沒有關係因為時間有限那我覺得我想特別提到一個點就是因為川普這次整個政策我看起來說事實上想讓製造業回流尤其是台灣有競爭優勢的高科技那這個部分跟郭共產這邊會有非常的相關那因為您之前也特別提到說 |
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境外關內的概念那我在這邊要特別提到一個點就是說會不會在這過程當中的時候讓很多的台灣的高科技產業因為這一波當中反而出走之後然後影響到台灣就是他們要深耕台灣這樣的一個狀態這個部分可不可以請郭部長簡單回應一下報告委員我們對應這個關稅的部分我想剛才你所說的我們會不會到 |
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到其他的地方去做投資建廠這個必須要根據每個業界每個廠商他們自己的能力跟他們的客戶的狀況來做決定針對這個部分我想各種的假設都有我們一直在盤點因為我們科技業確實跟美國是互補的這是一個其中的選項 |
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不過對我們來講讓台灣台灣的製造業智慧製造更強大這個是我們主要的目標OK不過我這邊也特別提到一下因為台積電是一千億台幣說影響很大因為雖然說這幾年可能影響還不大因為原本台積電在台灣的投資就還繼續包括在嘉義 |
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在台南在高雄在新竹都有台中有可是我覺得五年之後呢也許會不會全部的投資本投資都在美國那基本上就影響到台灣那再加上他如果說整個半導體的產業鏈生態系要一併移到美國去的時候我怕會對未來台灣的整個總體經濟還有消費跟投資都產生很大的一個影響 |
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所以希望經濟部針對這部分能夠有更緊密更審慎的一個評估去判斷這部分我們會納入考慮謝謝謝謝鄭正前委員那我們現在就休息5分鐘 |
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不用 不用 不用 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳 |
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這裏有個小小的大廈。這裏有個大廈。 |
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蜜桃 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳。 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物 |
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我的文字應該是用口吻的那應該就是,不用一直在講應該是用口吻的那我還真的不是有這個合適欸我還相當全面開放的我沒有這個合適的那一句也不太好聽 |
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8548.281 |
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嗯? |
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你好 你好 你好 你好你好 你好 你好 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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嗯嗯 |
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就是說我們必須要 |
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在這裏也沒有看見 |
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你要一直喊一直喊 |
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吃辣椒湯 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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好現在繼續開會那下一位質詢請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席 有請郭部長還有陳部長來 請兩位部長兩位部長好 大家辛苦了今天早上一早就聽到這個訊息美國總統川普真的是多變 |
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所以暫時不提高對等關稅90天也就是三個月請教一下我們郭部長這裡面提到的75個已聯繫美國討論貿易相關議題且沒有對美國報復的國家對等關稅稅率會先維持在10%我們有沒有在這個75個國家裡面 |
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我們是在75%的國家裡面所以呢未來先維持14%是什麼時候開始從4月9號開始就是昨天的中午開始的這一階段所以本來是32%我們其實是4月5號以後出口到這個美國的然後在5月27號以前到達美國的這一些貨就是10% |
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然後我們本來是昨天中午12點以後出口到美國的要打32%現在被豁免這些都是10%所以是10%這個在花蓮就有兩萬斤如魚被通知暫緩出貨 |
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所以這個部分不只是這個業者因為有90天的期間所以經濟部還有這個我是舉這個例子所以經濟部跟農業部 |
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還有其他相關部會就是要去通知業者因為不見得知道有90天一般的業者所以未必知道 也未必能夠讓他們知道當然就是能夠協助他們繼續出貨因為本來被通知不出貨了我們看農業部的報告裡面 |
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特別提到這個我國有22.3%的進口農產品來自美國進口值為36.9億美元為美國第八大的海外市場在這樣一個情形之下無論是現在的10%或未來的32%或者是未來的情況不知道談判的結果不知道 |
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这样的一个情形之下这边提到的美国的产品苏台的产品黄豆 玉米 小麦及牛肉所以这些进来了之后 |
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會更便宜是不是這樣不是如果是從美國進到台灣的話是以台灣的關稅為主不是那會降低啊他那個32%沒有那是我們輸出的產品這兩個是不一樣的我知道那進來呢對進來的部分現在目前我們台灣的關稅並沒有改變我們現在台灣目前的關稅這邊沒有改變那以現在目前他會不會讓我們改變 |
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那後續就是要看後面雙方的一個談判那談判的部分我剛才特別強調就是在談判的過程中我知道我只是提醒這個 |
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農業部這個部分寫是這樣寫大家因為很多的這個那個鄉親看了以為是這樣就沒有問題這個也是要有列為因應因應的措施好不好好另外就是說出口方面出口方面這個裡面也提到這個我們輸出到這個 |
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美國的這個比例也是相當高所以這樣的一個像花卉、水產品等多種的農產品銷售不出去假設了以32%的話就當然銷售不出去了會有影響然後這個我們這邊就會 |
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會產生怎麼樣的因素各方面都要讓農第一個業者農民農民知道這個是一個要做比較詳細的一個準備了何況現在又有90天的 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們在原來32%的關稅之下其實我們已經啟動了從昨天開始就啟動了所有的主要衝擊產業的一個座談那這個座談不會因為它延了90天我們就停止我們還是會持續的去跟我們的業者了解我們業者對這樣的一個關稅的調整他們的一個想法跟意見來做後續我們政策的一個參考好 |
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這個就是要去加強 無論是這個農業部或是這個經濟部都是一樣 都是一樣當然這個就農產品來講 這個如果是32%相關我們的蝴蝶蘭紅茶葉毛豆 蘆蝸魚 骨頭刀 鱸魚 |
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當然這個就農業部主要認為會影響比較多的是茶葉、吳郭蟻、鬼頭刀、如蟻這些這個都是需要去加強去因應的我們會持續尤其是現在又多了一個90天所以當然很重要的就是昨天跟國務部長講的談判 |
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談判怎麼樣把自己的籌碼善用昨天我的建議未必正確但是我認為的籌碼所以這個部分也善用另外就是說這個時間的關係 |
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這個國發會昨天的報告裡面這個經濟部昨天也有報告了這個提出880億元的這個880億元的這個支持方案這裡面其中經濟部是700億700億農業部是180億而經濟部裡面第一個跟農業部一樣都是寫金融支持第一個當然這個還有其他的部分 |
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那因為今天的報告我也看到了這個財政部的報告了他們也有這個相關這些金融的支持所以這個部分你們也有互相溝通協調不要去怎麼樣能夠去這個是他們 |
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原來就可以做不需要花另外的錢的部分可以做更好的處理然後這裡面這個881也不算很多錢怎麼樣善用我主要的意思是說怎麼樣善用尤其是除了以經濟部來講除了中小企業業者之外 |
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安定就業勞工的部分勞工的部分怎麼樣去支持以農業的話就農民的部分到後來最受害的就是勞工還有農民所以這個有限的880億能夠善用好不好好謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員 |
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那下一個請張家俊委員質詢主席我想請郭部長還有陳部長好請兩位部長 |
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今天最新的消息美國的總統川普突然宣布就是針對75個國家對等關稅將延後90天執行那大家可能有一些人是鬆了一口氣但是本席認為這不是解套這只是延長比賽該做的事還是都要做那因為90天很快就過了這應該不影響我們現在目前所規劃的880億的計畫吧兩位部長 |
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基本上是的那目前這880億請問兩位的這個分配是怎麼樣請問經濟部是多少錢這個農業部是多少錢呢經濟部本身410億農業部180億你們覺得這樣夠嗎 |
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這是第一階段嘛第一階段所以後續還會有第二階段那昨天呢本席其實向經濟部也提出了幾個這個建議那很感謝部長給了非常積極的回應面對這一次的困難本席認為朝野都必須一同努力來度過這個危機那昨天呢本席在地方聽了非常多的意見所以今天在替企業向您反映有部分企業 |
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因為被撤單或者是減單導致產量縮減那企業原本跟台電簽的這個契約容量可能會過多那他們希望經濟部跟台電能夠給予企業更多的彈性因為譬如說因為砍單效應而導致的用電量不如預期那對於這些企業是否可以先降低他的基本費率呢 |
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那由於局勢一直在變化可能也不適合立刻更改契約針對這些受影響的這些企業是不是部長可以請他們研議來做一個更彈性的做法呢是 我們來考慮怎麼樣來協助他們 |
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好因為呢其實企業容量是企業自己評估的可是目前來說很難去評估說下一個階段到底會發生什麼事就好像我們大家都不知道美國會突然對我們課32%的稅那我們今天早上 |
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之前也都不知道說美國又會突然說又要變成10%所以我們都不知道說接下來的談判結果是很難預期的所以這些企業其實沒有要佔台電便宜因為坦單效應的話他也不會用那麼多的電假設我們一直維持原本的這個契約容量反而是台電趁著這一次的危機佔了企業的便宜所以希望說在這個事件有定論之前先讓企業有個彈性請拜託部長 |
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一定要來協助這些企業我們會協助企業度過這個難關這個是我們第一要務那我們再看他為什麼會被砍單現在已經恢復到這個10%了對他來講實在是沒有延後假設90天以後我們會在這90天裡面看看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣再提出第二波的輔助跟協助的方案 |
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另外有一個情況就跟這補助有關係了過去那COVID的時候我們有一個紓困方案等於是疫情後的紓困方案那有一些企業現在還在核銷的這個過程當中還沒有完成 |
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但現在又遇到這個關稅事件所以如果要申請這一些補助的話目前來說他們是不符合資格的他必須先結案之後才可以那這個部分可不可以請部長明確的指示說兩個案子可以脫鉤處理 |
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應該是可以脫鉤處理 這個我們會趕快研究好 謝謝 那包括經濟部這一邊就是有沒有可能比照COVID-19的時候給這些受影響的企業這個貸款展延然後能夠不抽銀根 那放寬這個信保的審查跟這個作業的流程呢 |
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報告委員這個都有我們已經在上一波的這個公告上面都說得非常的清楚我們是展延六個月那這個也不會說加條件我們是放寬是那加速是這一點要拜託經濟部然後部長多多用心來關懷這些企業我想大家一起努力來渡過難關那接下來我想要請教一下農業部是不是請郭部長先請回好了 |
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那這一次想要一起度過這個難關然後守護農民的心我想跟部長都是一樣的那我想要先請教一下部長我們的談判團從零關稅談起您的看法為何 |
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我想總統所說的零關稅談起不是代表說全部都零關稅那以農業部門來講其實農業部門一個非常重要也是委員所關心的其實農業是守護我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以後續在談判的過程中我們一定會確保我們的產業能夠穩定而且永續發展我們的農民一定能夠保障的前提之下來處理 |
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那本席也想要請教一下請問所有的這些我們剛才講到的我們的農產品是不是也包含在零關稅的範圍之內呢我想所有的談判絕對不是說農產品只談農產品或只談工業產品是整個對美貿易的產品都一起來談 |
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所以呢部長說實在您是非常辛苦您這個角色非常辛苦因為你要守護住農民喔就靠你了因為呢中華民國養雞協會的理事長邱時恩他就講WTO的時候就已經 |
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農業就已經犧牲過一次了那我們不希望再讓農業犧牲一次希望可以維持現狀包括白肉雞的關稅維持20%然後雞蛋的進口關稅30%希望可以維持現狀那養豬協會的這個潘連周理事長 |
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他也要求說美國怎麼會來要求我們的豬肉不要標示產地呢讓國人連選擇的權利都沒有犧牲台灣的農民對我們的農民跟消費者都不公平所以呢農畜產品絕對不能夠零關稅這一點也希望說部長能夠有所堅持那美國養豬的成本是我們台灣的可能將近 |
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可能只有一半而已所以呢如果假設美豬大舉來台的話對我們的業者是剉雷彈所以這個產地標示的原則拜託部長一定要挺住部長您能夠承諾嗎我想後續的談判一定配合政府的整體的談判策略但是以農業部門來講包括我們的產業的一個聲音其實我們農業部都非常了解而且已經有適時的去轉達這樣的一個聲音 |
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還是回到一個就是我們在談判我們不會針對影響到我們產業的穩定發展的這些品項去讓步但是本席也很擔心喔因為美國是全球農業最強的這個出口最強國連稻米他都出口那這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢 |
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我想美國他所公告的這個那個貿易的障礙的報告裡面他所就道美來講他說關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候國家配額裡面的底價的訂定啦他覺得不夠透明那這個部分我想我們有適度的調整 |
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是因為稻作幾乎占全台灣農民的兩至三成所以這影響會非常的大那本席就是希望具體要求說最弱勢最無助的這些基層農民絕對不能被犧牲就算為了談判我們擴大進口了農產品包括稻米或者是其他的續產品希望這些農產品不要輕易的進入我們台灣的市場請問部長 |
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你理解我講的嗎就是說你就算買進來了你為了我們國家的未來你不得已你必須要買這些農產品是不是買進來了之後不要讓它流入我們台灣的市場來穩定我們台灣這些農民的這些權益跟消費者的這些食安問題 |
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我覺得以現在目前稻米的國家配合來講都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的工糧倉庫裡面的所以我還是強調不管後續的談判怎麼樣我們會堅守我們對產業有影響的我們一定會堅持而且談判的過程裡面不是說關稅談到某個程度是立即降稅它還有很多的這種配套的作為那我們一定會爭取我們對我們台灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們做溝通 |
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是部長只要你朝著這個方向去我相信喔不只農民是你的後盾我們立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾那另外我還想要再提出的就是包括我們雲林影響非常大的就是這個台灣雕啊台灣雕呢 |
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他非常有可能受影響那他也希望農業部可以盡快的協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場那這一點我在報告裡面有看到你們有提出但是具體怎麼做怎麼去申請沒有資料所以我想這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做因為這應該是農業部本來就應該在關心的事情所以請部長是不是能夠著手加快這個進度協助這些業者來開拓其他的海外市場 |
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跟委員報告,那個台灣貂的部分其實我昨天在前陣漁港我們的漁業分組已經召集了所有台灣貂的業者去座談了那相關的整個的一個細節,我就希望說我們聽取的意見以後,我會在4月應該4月14號,照原來的原定的時程是在4月14號會把這個細節公告啦 |
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那這個部分是不是也提供給本席辦公室好嗎因為我們公告的沒有我們這個方案準備好的時候我們會公告但是現在因為遇到有一個問題就是他的關稅就是32%現在暫緩時是90天嘛那是不是如期啟動我想可能這個要必須要去討論 |
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就是也許可以讓他們先知道說假設起到了32%他們會面臨的是什麼問題我想如果說32%的關稅的話我們的相關的辦法是什麼先讓他們知道那他們也會有一些心理的適應因為畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊那我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上農業部應該是能夠有很多積極的作為我們一起努力 謝謝 |
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謝謝張家俊委員那下一位請陳超明委員質詢首先有請我們財政部我們的理事長請理事長 |
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首先我請教我們的理事長根據我們的資料顯示3月底我們的外匯存底是5780億美金那又根據報導我們投資在美國國債是92%等於是5200億美金那現在美國的國債是負債36兆美金 |
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一年的利息就要增加一兆多的美金那現在美國發起這個關稅戰當然現在90千的款重啟出來了但是我請教你他會不會在這個關稅戰裡面來跟我們談條件 |
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譬如三年的美國國債三個月的美國國債你幫我延遲三年十年的美國國債你幫我延遲二十年三十年的美國國債延到五十年第二個可能他會跟你偷偷的暗中要求不要付利息你們會不會遭遇到這樣的情形 |
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包委因為當然談判的內容我們現在也不是很清楚那當然這個部分我沒有辦法在這邊回應沒有辦法在這邊講我是簡直來叫你要注意川普生意人他會算這個我看他主要的目的就在這個地方所以你們要有準備經濟部長帶著微笑表示他認同還有一點現在兩岸的關係非常的嚴峻 |
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兩邊一開戰的時候我們做五千七百億的美債外匯存頂萬一不像台灣失敗的話做五千七百億的那個我們的 |
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外匯存頂到底是死於中華人民共和國還是台灣獨立國還是台灣民主國還是美利堅共和國會歸死到哪裡這個情形有可能發生喔你不要笑笑不做準備阿委員非常高瞻眼主啦不是高瞻眼主是位於昨秒 |
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先退下之憂而憂 後退下之樂而樂我看這個情況也要特別注意啊當然這個問題不能深談啦是 對 謝謝委員但是點出來 特別注意一下私底下再跟你請教啦有可能發生 有可能發生好不好 請回座然後我來請我們的農業部長請農業部長喂好 陳部長好 |
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那我們現在談判我們賴總統我們執政黨提出零居關稅的談判美國是農業大國我現在請教你一個事實的問題我們從美國進口的農產品比我們銷到美國的農產品一年大概差多少我們是勝差還是逆差逆差28億逆差多少28億 |
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加起來28億我們黃豆什麼都進口美國我們從美國買的東西36.9億我們銷到美國的是8.9億所以逆差是28億我們怎麼會進口那麼少我們不是疫苗啊我講的是美金喔好 |
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那你在這樣的一個狀況之下你所有的農產品我們這邊是逆差他順差你最好不要調不然會害死我們台灣農民你們敢不敢這樣紀理立生這個是一個談判的條件我想雙方的這些關稅的談判一定是基於雙方互贏的方向我說我們用這個來談 |
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28.多億跟我們8.9億在那幾兆進出口裡面那個微微的毛毛移的那個好像是我們在推你們要堅持計算 |
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因為我現在先跟你講你開放聯基關稅不是對美國的問題台灣的地位你也曉得為了維持各個友邦的關係如果其他國家提出來跟美國一樣聯基關稅稅金你要怎樣這個才是重點這個才是問題啊 |
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我想所有的關稅談判裡面喔其實不同的國家也是一樣喔農業它有它的特性所以農業本身的這些談判絕對不是說所有的品項都是零關稅我覺得台灣的農業只夠來再繼續八年的執政政案下來會很慘第一個 精緻農業一定要堅持第二個 能量物理要做好 |
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第三個生存加工要做好其實世界很廣大台灣人很聰明可以調各種料理就是最好的料理你們要不要在這方面研究我覺得你要改進到這個地方你才有辦法我們台灣農業歷史世界不然自己丟在這裡 |
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可以說自給自足而已不然你就只顧自己自給自足就好如果你以你們這樣的作為沒有新的私的作為現在我去看了很多工廠做的加工的產業做得非常清楚非常好現在人不煮飯啦這裡面的小姐都不會煮也不會殺雞殺鴨殺鵝啊不像我們改變觀念改變思維台灣的農業才有救 |
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謝謝委員的建議 其實我們已經在做了很多農產品的加工加值其實它的加工效益會比較大像中東你要消氣 你要曉得它的外勞有多少哪一個地方的外勞 什麼口味去研究嘛有沒有跑過那個地方 我曉得啦好不好 因為我要問政治部長好不好 好好 請回座 |
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郭部長好我今天的主題我有一個吃中的朋友很要好他是順利死於台獨了而且每次總統選舉特地趕回來台灣可以請假一個月替你們自治黨服刑那他為什麼雖然我吃中好友他為什麼會支持我他說我最不像自治人物的政治人物 |
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那我今天他發給的內容我讀給你聽我也不曉得他發這個內容我覺得他思想改變了他跟我講因為美國已經沒有政治才使世界大失所望因為中國要強國而不是幸福大國那裡面川普說台積電是假拖 |
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他住在偉大的美利均共和國那美國就是強盜盜的這他寫給我一個簡訊表示他們的憤怒台灣幾十年的辛辛苦苦捐起來的IC產業 |
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你曉得以前成衣外銷大概要一百個貨櫃才能換他一台戰車一個飛彈我們是趕空前去賺的他們在榮華富貴在享受他不會忘記這一切大事罷錢罷職那我以這個事情我要問你請教你幾個問題台積電很重要 |
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美國威脅說你台積電不來建廠我就100%的關稅那美國他只要要掌握40%的產量控制且限制台灣台積電以後未來的外銷他有限制在 |
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中國在美國上山 臺灣現在上山要怎麼應付被他限制的時時 用的地方會大概那幾個國家在使用他會去用 會在周邊的應用所以臺灣的電子竊 包括台積電在臺灣何去何從 你有想到嗎我這點你要先研究那你們以前也信誓旦旦說台積電的演化中心一定會不會到美國 |
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人家大國啊,不用嘴巴講得很滿啊你們現在乖乖也是要過去以前在修理台積電核心的商業精密核心的技術都要給他你們現在都不敢講當時對台灣我們愛台灣的保障在哪裡?絕對不被研發中心精密資料不被給他乖乖的奉送給他們另外我還要請教你統一作黨這個要特別注意 |
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台積電跟英特爾 國安會 劉思維說柴油跟汽油不能混合那我也很奇怪 到底能不能混合因為這個卡路里有托勞斯萊斯什麼安置在他也想要製造一個嗆艇養一隻老虎來去咬台積電 怕他萬一受打這你要去考慮一下不然台灣會去要行行叩叩 白風扇給別人 |
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再來我要跟你談到第三點IC的成熟製品現在零電是世界第四大的它要跟那個美國什麼格羅荒 |
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什麼公司第五大要合併我看是有可能你們講不可能報紙都寫你要去談判你要好好談判第一大的已經被拿走了第二大又被拿走了台灣剩下什麼跟我講好好的講剩下什麼 |
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你們想來要知道,這臺灣的感恐你以前有那小企業一直做到現在一個算起來也是一個中大企業每一步每一步都是臺灣人辛苦流血流亂自己打造出來,窮苦了人家沒有人保護你,只有自律專人不要輕易把臺灣打造到現在你們就輕易放鬆給別人,不要危殆 |
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可以去忍受就忍受我就要跟你說所以你要記得台灣剩下什麼但是我說台灣的企業家就是游牧民主哪裡有回炒就完了很可憐的不然你們八年的執政提了好幾個政策我現在也在聽別人 還原台商回台投資行動方案 |
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恍恍惚惚 熱熱鬧鬧 確實很多台商回來了第二個 更留台灣企業加速投資行動方案再來中小企業加速投資方案 這些人花了幾十萬在這裡 要購台灣這個工啊 |
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要更留台灣喔蔡英文當總統的時候就推動南向政策鼓勵中國在大陸的台商往東南亞去走我今天你又看得不錯我們的賴執政黨的賴子熙我們現在的賴總統說要偷中日本我們要順化經貿 |
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以美益其轉型,又以最有經濟的實力,立足台灣,步及全球,形成全球的台灣,再激勢與人才相互依賴。但是我總得要強調,從此趨勢很厲害, |
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歐美的白種人永遠看不起蝗蟲我要跟你講這根深蒂固除了日本人以外他稍微不起勢仔細站起來 |
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他把中國大陸講鄉巴佬台灣是不是鄉巴佬你去別人找才不會去別人找各種文化有很多不一樣我現在懷疑你們是把台灣這隻羊送入到那白種人歐美的虎口裡面我們自己做什麼台灣的外交關係能保護多少台商你講我們都心知肚明 |
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站起來我就不講多,你也不用回答,我把我心中的感受跟你講順滋順滋,台灣這塊土地搞得好,不只你的執政黨,東西南北都要遊牧民族變民搞得現在都不曉,感染藥感染又放下,哪邊有草可以吃都是你們提出來八年時間的變化,東西南北征戰 |
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台商都到現在一無所有倒是在水深火熱在掙扎之中他賺的外匯是離不來台灣你們真的要好好愛惜這塊土地那我跟你講中小企業會變成一個痛苦區然後我跟台積電幾個高階主管 |
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痛苦期就要磨練自己技術要磨要深化提升它的價值在中小企業大量的就中小企業如果台灣沒有留置中小企業就沒有未來台灣中小企業 |
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是真的是跟佔了70部分就業人口大企業你不要去管他現在錢多多你反而要照顧中小企業他自從進入已經有國際的錢了主席佔了那麼久 |
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我坐下來一談到執政團他就站起來了我是真心的為台灣我是蔣經營人謝謝委員的提示不是提示啦 感受遠深啦你可能平反時我們會更獲取更大的利益我們有技術的本領嘛我們獨一無二嘛 |
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接下來我相信你自己能感受得到台灣在助力更生 助力成長的過程我們是驕傲的台灣但是不要被執政黨出賣掉 謝謝謝謝好 謝謝我們陳委員語重心長來 那我請賴委員好 謝謝接下來我們請蔡宇昭委發言 |
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好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請郭部長請郭部長 |
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委員部長這個局勢變化很大啦昨天還不到24小時前我是也是站在這裡啦那是跟部長去說事實上我們在跟美國竟然進入談判那去爭取看能不能暫緩這個32% |
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那部長也說你會努力 那昨天我看在場還被黃國昌委員當場 把你羞辱一下啦但是我想你也是很不急不緩的那大概也是跟他說出 基本上我們行政院包括我們經濟部會持續努力 然後在談判上爭取最好的條件那想不到 |
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一個深夜過去川普的改變改變他的藝術功這個32%進入所謂90天的一個談判期那除了中國 125%所以這個代表的一個意義就是說在這段期間我們看到很多在野黨的人竟然在川普32%後 |
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他不去講談判當然也有講只是他們不斷的在強調一件事就是說我們要對美國採取報復性的關稅也就是跟著中國做一樣的動作那如果我們當時還真的行政院去附和儘管沒有做只要有附和這樣的話 |
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我想這件事可能就嚴重了所以部長所以當時有這麼多人對你們不管是在任何場合在那邊批判然後供你們要採取報復性關稅那我們經濟部有這樣的考慮過嗎 |
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報告委員所有的情境都是在我們的掌握之中好的狀況是怎麼樣子那最差的狀況會怎麼樣我們會提供各種情境的分析那麼提供給談判小組他們作為參考這是一個非常大的一個關鍵的部分那我們 |
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也了解說這個迫在眉睫的部分就是在昨天的那個時間昨天中午到了這個32%關稅這是最差的狀況對但是我們經過訪談很多的這個業者我們在分來能夠盤出這個輕重緩急來針對我們發現對中小企業以及關鍵的這一些傳統產業可能招受到的這樣的一個打擊會比較大 |
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所以我們也建議這個談判單位應該對這個關稅的談判要盡快讓他們去跟美國談到美國可以接受的這樣的關稅但是我們所做的判斷都是以32% |
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可能很難談下來的這個情境來作為我們第一個考慮就是最壞的打算最壞的打算要對產業的一些協助如果能夠談到這個大家這個美國啊美國希望說對他最有利的這個條件之下我想大家比起去這個整合那對經濟部來講我們 |
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當下跟過去跟昨天最大的不一樣是只有在這個內容跟速度上面做一些這個緩和做一些調適但是第一點是沒有改變的就是對這些中小微企業跟這些傳統產業當他們面臨到可能被抽單可能這個被post form這一些這個要件而造成他金融上面的這個困擾 |
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這一點部長就是我們昨天在講的嘛怎麼讓協助他們避免他們的商品被延後延後交貨然後墩毀然後增加他們整個外部成本所以這個是讓昨天都有討論所以這段時間我們真的是覺得很遺憾怎麼會有在野黨他直接批判說對美國不報復就是對美投降的談話或者是 |
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甚至在野黨的總統、副總統候選人還直接講說以後就是不要再對美國投資我認為這些都比較離間了所以我們還是要回到跟美國談判的本質就是說我們可能會加碼 |
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對美國不管是在能源的一些採購或者是有講到農產品或者是其他的一個採購但是我想萬本歸宗這一次美國對75個國家他們先用10%的一個關稅唯獨中國例外事實上這個也是一個很強烈的image就是說現在中美的貿易大戰2.0正式開打 |
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這個正式開打的就是125%起跳所以這個在125%起跳的一個前提之下最怕的是什麼?是產地 |
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現在對於很多可能在中國有投資的生意人來說他們在中國要出貨他們面對的壓力,這個125%這個壓力非常的巨大而且我看到今天已經很多新聞都爆出來中國的很多的工廠都已經直接說好,先暫時歇業,暫時都工廠都先發動,都沒辦法生產 |
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那就是因為他們現在要消去美國 他們一百二十五% 他們根本不會消錢所以這個時候會有很多投機的人要採取用第三方比如說他頓入台灣 頓入越南 然後銷售到美國但我們無法管其他國家的事情我們台灣自己這一端一定要控制好所以部長你們有怎樣的一個因應作為嗎 |
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我們對違規轉運大概有幾個做法第一個就是加強入貨的監測包括銷台或者銷到美國的第二個加強對業者宣傳畢竟他是我們的國人當然 |
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然後第三個建立這個違規業者的名單把這個名單就是公開這個表述第四個如果一旦他還是違規我們裁罰就必須要重演第五運用這個反傾銷的措施大概有這個五點不過我們還是建議這些廠商他們 |
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不要回台灣就是說因為回台灣會違反這個美國的稀產地的這個規範這個是美國當今最重要的一個措施事實上它很明顯但是我們可以協助他們在其他的生產地他們其他都有一些工廠包括他們可能在越南可能在泰國那這些都已經被 |
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這個怎麼講,就回到那個時拍因為我們看到在野黨有一個法案他們希望在金門變成一個叫做自經區這樣的一個法案未來很有可能會變成大量息產地的一個地方這是我一個事情,雖然這個法案還沒有通過但是我們要未雨成謀,有這樣的一個法案的存在是,謝謝委員提醒好,那部長可以先回,我再問一個農業的問題 |
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這個部長事實上剛剛很多委員都有對你垂詢過了就是說因為現在農業我們如果要開始談的話基本上對農業的衝擊非常的大所以這一次八百億中農業部大概就181要協助這些農民 |
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那在未來跟美國的談判事實上我們所宣示的不管是能源不管是我們對農產品尤其美國是很多農產品的一個大宗台灣又幾乎是美國農產品出口的主要國家包括這個加其內台灣是美國的第五大出口國大豆 |
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是美國的第七大出口國牛肉是美國的第六大出口國那水果是美國的第四大出口國玉米是美國的第六大出口國小麥也是第六大出口國所以我們可以知道說台灣雖然我們的人口雖然不多 |
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可是我們是一個對美國來說是一個購買力很強健的一個國家那所以美國會對我們會去盯著我們的農產品尤其他又對我們的稻米啦對我們的豬肉都直接點名說這個有貿易障礙 |
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所以部長你會面對很大的壓力一方面你一定要守護住我們農民的一個權利因為很多事實上農產品就是一個國家要怎麼保護自己的國家這個每個國家都會做包括日本、歐盟事實上剛才說的這個產品標示日本、歐盟也都有在做產品標示台灣不是特例但是這一些措施都被美國視為眼中釘 |
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所以部長 我覺得這麼多行會你要做 你是不是跟我們說明一下說你的立場怎樣在未來跟美國展開談判的時候我們站在農業的立場是怎樣 |
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我跟委員報告在整個行政院的談判小組其實已經認知到而且也充分的認知農業是一個相對於工業產品是一個非常特殊的產業那農業他肩負了糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以未來對於我們現在在後續的關稅談判裡面我們不會輕易的將 |
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對國內會產生衝擊的這些產業做輕易的調整那這個部分我想我們會堅守這樣的一個原則因為所有的包括您剛才講的稻米包括雞肉包括豬肉的這個部分其實過往我們主要的進口的部分或者是他們進來的部分是黃小玉最多但是黃小玉是跟我們有互補的 |
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那這個部分我想相對單純這部分我們生產比較少但是對我們有衝擊的對產業穩定發展有影響的我們一定堅守一個原則我們一定會保護農民的權利為原則去處理好 部長還有一個問題那水產品水產品我們過去有外傳到美國現在它10% |
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就是說雖然32%降為10%但是也是提高所以對水產品現在就有立即的衝擊對所以這部分是不是要對我們這些水產業者是不是要讓他們看看如何獲得因為他馬上他們面對去銷售到美國的稅率就提高了 |
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對,我剛才,我昨天也在那個前鎮漁港我們的那個漁業署那邊跟我們的台灣釣的業者做談那其實現在台灣釣本身美國市場最大的美國市場是大陸那台灣大概佔7%,雖然說我們外銷是佔79%但是後續我們認為就是跟業者談其實這是一個機會,另外是一個機會啦 |
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當中國的水產品不能過去的時候那台灣本身我們怎麼樣快把這一塊市場搶過來透過外銷的一個獎勵但是相對的我們的成本也提高啊所以我們要怎麼樣又進攻市場然後又在這個成本上又有利潤這個我想這個就要由我們農業部我們漁業署趕快來輔導我們會持續跟業者聽取業者的建議然後做調整的滾動第一個搶市場第二個讓他們成本是要讓他們 |
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對 我們又有競爭力好 謝謝好 謝謝蔡召瑋 謝謝陳部長 謝謝好 下一位請賴瑞榮委員發言好 謝謝召瑋 請郭部長請部長 |
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11693.002 |
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部長辛苦了其實我在看待因為賴總統其實在從川普選前講關稅到當選完到當選後我有觀察到賴總統其實密切在關注著川普的關稅政策 |
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| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
一言一行一直在盯著然後包括他在當選後包括在2月14號立即的也記者會來召開這個國安高層會議來演商甚至於在4月6號的時候立即來提出的五項五大方案我觀察到我們的國家元首賴總統其實密切的掌握住了整個川普的整個大方向所以他提出來的很快也因應到了川普的方向 |
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我們也很快的讓川普感受到我們在面對這個問題所以部長認同我這樣的看法嗎是的所以我想賴總統整個清楚的掌握那我們也看到了也因為這樣而在4月9號的時候其實昨天就是今天早上清晨川普也很快的對 |
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中國125以外其他的75個國家包括台灣全數都暫時90天的戰團那等於是我們的第一步至少啟動而且我們會在未來跟日本跟韓國跟台灣會是列為第一波溝通對象所以我想我們的團隊都已經做好準備了在那邊談了那 |
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我要這樣講的其實也是說表示說政府在這件事情上面的方向是正確的我也希望能夠部長跟這個所有的也要讓社會各界更清楚知道政府其實是全面的掌握住了美國的政策的方向同時間我們在不管是 |
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各項的這個溝通談判甚至在內部的部分我們也都全面在溝通跟掌握當中我覺得要讓國人更有信心支持政府也信賴政府我認為這個才會對整個後續的跟美國的談判更加有利部長同意這樣的看法嗎是的同意啦齁 |
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從今天來看來其實今天股市上面看來效益上就整個呈現了這個比較早期的數字但是差不多這樣的數字幾乎是整個回漲回來了所以表示我們整體這樣也不只是台灣其他國家也都是這樣所以表示說我們這個因應的方向在走 |
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包括賴總統也投書到了這個彭博社這個深化台美的經貿路線這個大概也是賴總統再次的定調我們的方向我們要走跟美國深化這個經貿關係的路線也就是說過去來經貿之間的 |
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我們很多時候甚至WTO或者是CPTPP我們不見得走得進去但是因為這樣的機會反倒有機會我們跟美國好好的來談一談那同時間甚至於我們有機會重新的讓台灣能夠走入到整個這個全球的整個架構裡面去所以我覺得應該也讓各界更知道當這樣的時候它當然是有一些變數跟變局也是一個挑戰但是當我們用不同的角度去面對的時候過去台灣也歷經過兩次的很大的挑戰 |
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那反倒台灣的韌性在這時候都展現出來反倒後面對台灣的整體經濟還是持續往上走所以這一次應該是台灣遇到第三次的一個重大的挑戰部長有沒有信心我們一樣能夠有台灣的韌性度過這一波危機讓台灣的經濟台灣的產業再一波的往上走 |
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確實這樣子就是說現在我們看到這所有的競爭要件都回到70點那這個立足點當我們跟其他的競爭國擺在同一條競爭線上面的時候也就是說所有的人對美國的出口的這個稅率回到10%這樣的一個條件的時候台灣的競爭力是非常的強的 |
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而且第二個我們跟美國在科技的商品或是其他的商品上面其實大部分都是互補的所以我們也因為這個樣子所以從今天下午開始我們院跟府都會去訪談各地的工業還有其他商業的這些團體這些相關的 |
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這些人員那聽聽他們對這樣的一個改變是不是政府還有需要再加強在目前規劃沒有注意到的地方雖然我們都已經很努力了但是大部分我們還是要聽聽這個這些業者的這個聲音所以福根院從今天下午開始就啟動這樣的一個下鄉的這個機制也在這裡跟委員報告 |
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也藉這個機會的時候同時我們在調整我們整體的體制然後當面對的川普面對美國這樣的一個重大政策那美國跟中國之間的這樣的一個處理方式的時候其實台灣反倒也是從這個機會中去調整我們的體制也面對全球的這樣的一個變局那同時間因為變化也相當的快啦因為我們談判過程也不斷的在談那談完回來之後哪些需要再給予更多的協助我們隨時都動態的在做調整嘛880億我認為其實只是一個底 |
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底標啦但未來有更有需要我相信政府都會更加支持讓我們產業能夠度過這一波同時間再過做進一步的轉型讓我們的台灣的經濟韌性更加的強化我認為這個是這一波這個美國的調升關稅反倒是對台灣更是我們看到另外一個不同的層次的一個角度 |
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過去這幾天國民黨很多酸言酸語 應該要採用親中反美的路線王宏威 徐宇甄 甚至於羅志強 甚至於趙少康都是用揶揄跟甚至於要求親中反美的路線那我們看到 |
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美國跟中國之間現在在貿易的這個大戰當中如果我們採取這一條路線的話我們恐怕現在面對的是跟中國一樣的一個狀況這個被調升高度的關稅的問題部長怎麼看待我們現在走的這個路線跟現在講的親中反美路線到底哪一條路線才是一個正確的路線 |
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當然我想這個不言可喻沒有人會願意從32升到125大家都選擇一個跟著大勢而走的路線我想我們也整個的團隊朝這方面來判斷我們認為說談判 |
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不是跟這個對方國就是採取對立的狀態我想這個可能是比較沒有談判經驗的人的一個想法而且這也是跟全世界幾乎多數國家都是面對這樣的問題大家也都在面對採取用這個看來目前只有中國採取比較強硬的一個方式而中國是一個專制的一個國家他才硬的那更何況我們當然是走在民主更何況台灣跟美國有很多在 |
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科技上各方面的互補更何況他也是一個民主的一個國家裡面他有很多的機制所以我覺得這個路線的選擇其實非常清楚的啦所以我覺得也還好這樣的親中反美的這樣說法很快的其實就消下來那從現在整個來看其實我們務實的穩健路線對台灣未來長遠是一個很重要的大家一起努力接下來看起來美國跟中國之間的這個貿易戰會升級那台灣怎麼樣在面對這個 |
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中美貿易戰之間升級的這個之中找到一個我們更好的一個處理方式部長怎麼樣的看法是的我們當然會動態的去調整我們的所有的措施 |
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動態調整因為看來這個會是一個長期的一個它不會是這麼短的而且這個中國跟美國之間的態度是怎麼樣子所以我想還是要請各部會都要審慎來因應來面對那台灣至少在目前為止是被認為是一個可信賴的夥伴我想這個對於台灣整體的國際形象也很重要 |
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那接下來我問的是很多的未來如果中國被課這個高關稅之後有很多的商品有可能轉傾銷進來這個部分政府有沒有什麼樣的因應方案報告委員我想洗產地的這個部地這個部分我想我在這個這個地方再做一次報告首先我們會加強入貨的這個監測包括這個回銷台灣或者是轉到蘇美的部分第二個加強業者的宣傳告訴他這個是這個 |
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會影響美國對我們的判斷第三個建立違規業者的名單第四個裁罰重演他一旦違規我們就裁罰重演第五個運用反取消的措施來防止 |
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透過台灣去來稀產地這個是美國在這一次他對關稅談判的四大重點之一好一方面是美國的一方面對於我們國內的產業這一塊也要持續的支持的更注意不要造成我們的內部的一些影響好不好最後一點時間我請教一下陳部長好不好好謝謝部長 |
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不知道 我知道昨天你有到前鎮漁港去啦因為昨天下午我在開另外一個會議沒辦法趕到現場但是我知道你有做了一些我們也希望未來在水產品這一塊能夠持續的給予輔導跟協助啦一方面它當然市場雖然但另外一方面也有可能開拓出更多的一些機會我也希望持續的加強不管是美國市場或其他市場的打入能夠讓我們優質的水產品能夠繼續走向國際 |
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我想這個其實也是一個機會我想我們會趁這個機會把更多的這些支持方案去落實在我們的產業讓它有更高的競爭力效到其他的國家我也希望未來像不管是冷鏈或者相關的讓我們可以走入全世界的一些需要建置的一些系統我們希望持續的強化好不好讓我們的隨產品能夠更保存到價值更高附加價值然後送往全世界更好的一些產地賣到更好的價格這是我們的目標好不好就持續來推動好 謝謝部長 謝謝 |
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好謝謝賴瑞榮委員那我們先宣告中午不休息延長開會到這個議程結束來下一位請呂玉玲委員質詢謝謝主席請經濟請農業部的陳部長來請陳部長委員好 |
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部長在近年來兩岸的關係缺乏了互信的基礎所以也影響到我們雙邊的經貿的關係大陸也多次禁止我們台灣農漁產品的出口所以我們政府也採取了 |
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開拓多元外銷的市場像美國日本跟東南亞國家所以是希望能夠降低大陸的依賴所以美國在2022年也正式的成為我國最大的農產品的出口國但是4月2號你知道了川普宣布32%的這個對等關稅所以對我們農業產品是有非常大的影響那我們 |
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看到川普也在昨天有宣布暫停32%先降為到10%除了中國以外的國家在有90天的時間那90天的時間我們農業部這邊的話是不是趕快有什麼積極的措施要來跟川普這邊有進一步的談判呢 |
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我想跟委員說明分兩個面向就是說雖然說現在目前有90天的緩衝期就是32%降到基礎供應的10%但是我們還是會持續跟產業做一個有效的溝通就是有不同的情境之下我們唯一的目標就是希望讓我們的產品持續能夠銷到美國去美國是一個非常重要的市場 |
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不能因為關稅而放棄這是一個重要的但是高關稅我們農民的話整個我們整個績效都會下降有一部分我們還會去轉移到其他的高端市場但是我要跟委員報告從關稅的競爭角度來講現在中國的關稅如果還是維持這樣子或應該會比台灣高的時候其實像 |
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吳國瑜美國的市場中國佔的百分之將近70所以我們才佔百分之七而已所以在這個前提之下其實反而是一個我們的機會能夠去在那邊具有更大的潛力只要市場不萎縮所以這個部分我想我們用很多的所以關稅是最重要的市場才不會萎縮對就是關稅的 |
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競賽的過程中中國現在目前是比較屬於劣勢的部分那這個機會我們如果加速我們的佈局在美國的佈局的話是能夠有效的爭取更多的市場當然我們也要把握這90天這個時間趕快做好準備重啟這個關稅的這個談判 |
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那我剛有特別提到就是我們要開拓多元的市場那目前這種情況之下的話我們也要開拓那現在我們有準備往哪些國家來開拓嗎我想我們會根據目前的這些這些農漁產品本身的目標市場國去加大他的力量我舉個例子鱸魚其實我們鱸魚是以澳洲為最主要的一個市場那反而是美國相對的他的比例是比較低的大概只有1%而已那這種情況之下我們 |
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哪些國家如魚像如魚的話是澳洲澳洲是最大的所以我們會加強澳洲的一個行銷讓更高端的所以現在這個澳洲那本身是要提醒啦因為如果說美國行不通之後還有歐盟的部分也有對美國如果行不通之後的話因為東南亞國家的農業產品跟我們同質性都很類似嘛同質性很高所以我們必須要開拓其他的多元一點市場好不好 |
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了解好那接下來就是想請教的那因為美國在那邊談判的話如果說我們部長這邊有做好準備應該知道美國有宣示一些政策那尤其是對於我們有一些食安問題部長應該就要了解了譬如我們的美牛美豬 |
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一些特殊高危險的這些部位的美食還有一些基改的食品的話他這次會不會在談判內容裡面我們要以國人的食安為最重要這是我們的底線不能超過這底線是不是 |
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我想以農業部主責的相關的這些農產的一些關稅的談判那其實重點是在這些農產品有哪些農產品在過去我們是有一些比較高一點關稅的一個保護那這個部分會不會往下降其實大家關心的是這個就產業來講 |
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但是農業是一個非常特殊的產業它具有糧食安全的一個任務在那邊所以該標示的要標示不能把這個拿來做談判的籌碼尤其是標示產地的問題或者是說像牛的內臟牛的脊椎還有豬的腎臟還有萊克多巴胺的成分跟標準都要符合 |
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才能夠進來 不能因為為了把跟關稅降低而作為談判的籌碼不過你應該在講這個部分是衛務部主責一定要再堅持好不好 衛務部主責但是我們農業部本身是針對產業面我們會去做一個有效的支撐 |
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所以我們在討論另外一個問題就是美國也有進口我們台灣的農產品那你有沒有去盤點說美國進口了哪些農產品它的關稅我們可以說稍微把它調降來釋出善意有利於你們的談判呢 |
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我想其實我們對美國現在目前進來的最主要是飼料用的黃小玉黃小玉的部分現在關稅都是零了現在是關稅是零他們進來就是零了就是零了所以我想關稅的談判其實關稅的談判是一個手段但是最終的目的是要兩國的貿易都能夠雙贏而且有互補的效益我們會從這個角度來處理是好謝謝謝謝部長我現在先請經濟部的我們郭部長 |
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部長 經過聽外媒的報導白宮在施壓底下台積電已經與美國英特爾公司達成協議未來要合資成立公司那台積電也會成為晶片生產上技術換取20%的股份 是不是 |
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報告委員 這個我們對這個傳言因為不是經過政府的這個投審會所以我現在投審會有沒有審這個不清楚這一個傳言不清楚那我也不評論這個傳言我知道部長就是說這個是假設性的議題 不予回答但是我們還是要再討論這個問題因為居然外面都已經報導了 |
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那尤其是台積電跟英特爾這個作為是競爭的對象部長應該了解他們就是競爭的對象如果他們雙方合資之後會出現兩種狀況第一種狀況就是英特爾公司會全面的退出晶圓代工的專注在IC的設計上第二種狀況的話就會是台積電跟英特爾公司共同經營這個晶圓代工的這個業務 |
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如果在第一種狀況我們認為台積電還是比較有利的那如果第二種狀況就不行了那部長有什麼看法我們不評論這樣的傳言就是假設性的議題你不評論了但是我們希望部長 |
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在這種合作關係雖然說沒有被證實但是我們就要避免這個第二種情形的發生第二種情形發生的話就會影響到台積電跟英特爾公司他們合作但我們希望投審會未來對這個審查的情況的話要更加的嚴審不要讓這個關鍵技術外流好不好如果有委員所指教的這樣的情形我們會關鍵技術還要非常重視的不能外流好謝謝部長謝謝 |
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好 謝謝呂玉玲委員 那下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言主席 在場的委員先進 列席的政府機關上官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請農業部陳部長 也請經濟部的郭部長好 請兩位部長 |
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兩位部長好我今天的題目呢就是零關稅同盟強化台美貿易880億因應進口衝擊要顧農業我先請教一下郭部長如果上個星期美國政府川普的宣布是個晴天霹靂你覺得早上看到他說延緩90天的感覺心情怎麼樣 |
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報告委員這也都在我們的預估之內都在預估之內難怪這幾天你都氣定神閒好這裡面呢說到因為後面我要問一下陳部長因為昨天我已經跟郭部長請教過了那目前呢川普是在暫停90天只抽10%好好了那有什麼連帶的改變呢來我們看一下下一頁那麼請教陳部長川普開出各國不對等的關稅清單目的是什麼譬如台灣莫名其妙是32%結果呢你覺得後來的結果從結果來看你覺得他的目的是什麼 |
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我覺得他是一個談判 要比你上談判桌而且他很清楚的要創造一個零關稅的自由貿易同盟他對中國高關稅 中委都要報復結果兩個越來越高越來越高然後其他的國家看看苗頭不對都說好了我們對等嘛因為只有對等 |
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你對美國零 那美國也會對你零嘛所以大家都把對美的關稅降到零了結果這產生什麼問題呢 產生什麼情況呢 往下看就是說原來中國貨 效往美國的中國貨被誰取代被這些跟美國互為零關稅的同盟所取代 是不是這樣子中國貨出場啦 因為它太貴啦但是相對台灣去的啦 以色列去的變便宜了嘛 所以就改買 |
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這些其他的同盟國的貨但是美國貨也賣不到中國去嘛 那換賣到哪裡去賣到台灣 賣到這些同盟國嘛 部長你同意嗎報告委員 我們針對你昨天的這些指導啊我們回去有做一些模擬啦 謝謝你的這個先見之明所以我們大概才會推估一些這個狀況 |
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那對這個趨勢大概是朝您所指導的這個方向我想會這樣朝這個方向來發展謝謝郭部長的肯定那我也請教陳部長如果台灣降低對美關稅甚至到達零那能夠降低台美的貿易逆差嗎 |
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我想某個程度現在不確定性還蠻高的最主要是從美國進到台灣的這些這些主要的農產品是以黃小玉為主那黃小玉這些飼料的這個部分最主要是跟我們產業的規模是有關係的所以說跟關稅的關聯性有一點但是還是看你的未納量好我們來看一下美國進口台灣對不起往上往上往上 |
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美國進口美國的商品因為零關稅會什麼進口增加像黃小玉對不對當然有些是不受影響因為他的因素是非關稅因素不是關稅因素像汽車昨天我問過郭部長了嘛 |
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那你日本車跟美國車都零關稅你要買什麼當然買日本車啦美國的火雞肉向來人家台灣人民就不喜歡吃嘛但是我們必須政策性的去擴大採購譬如說買軍備買天然氣是不是這樣子那請教陳部長你認為目前880的方案是為了因應出口商品因為美國的高關稅而受到衝擊嗎 |
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原來的880億以農業部門來講是181億對然後我們181億我先問你是為了因應出口嘛對不對是因應出口受阻嘛所以博部長是不是也同意原來的880億也是為了因應出口受阻嗎這是我們第一步先能夠是個舒緩國內這些出口廠商那你覺得現在當川普政府說90天之後有沒有出口受阻的這個憂慮了 |
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沒有沒有 我們現在因為只有在我們必須要快速在90天裡面看到最後的決定是甚麼好 那個最後的決定是台灣跟美國都互相零關稅你覺得工業的這700億要協助出口受阻的還有需要用到嗎你這邊都評估的是外交的啊申請資格都是要出口業啊農業部門的呢這就外交美國的產品啊 是不是這樣 |
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報告委員 我想我們會評估各種不同的狀況這個是只是其中的一個狀況但是它可能發生的會根據全球的我相信美國不是只有談台美之間的狀況是的 我們要考慮到全球如果實際發生了是台灣對美國出口不受影響是台灣變成零關稅美國會進口很多我們受到影響那這個時候這881票調整使用的方向跟對象 |
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好來陳部長就是你了來我們先來看很快的結我跟委員報告現在目前681大概是以出國轉向但是如果是農業但是農業進口的部分我們會看最後的一個結果假如是美國進口台灣是零關稅的話呢我們農業部不可能 |
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黃小玉本來就零關稅了對這不受影響嗎但是那個雞肉牛肉的部分因為國內的比重非常低但是雞肉我們有一定的比重所以像我們國內有產業的話我們關稅不會輕易讓步所以 |
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等一等 你說關稅不會輕易讓步如果台灣對美國不零關稅讓他的肌肉進來我們經濟部就沒有辦法零關稅去美國我跟委員報告 所有的關稅在談判的過程中不是用國家的零關稅全部一致零關稅他會現在回到不同的產業別我了解 部長 你的想法跟川普的不一樣 |
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他就是簡單我就雖然你們站到台灣跟我美國站在一起零關稅自由貿易同盟盡量不要有那些不是關稅造成的障礙所以零關稅會造成台灣肌肉的影響你同不同意 |
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如果未來被迫接受我們互相付為零關稅不過我想在我們現在目前談判的過程中我們還會堅持因為農業有它的特殊性我了解因為特殊性我們來看一下在WTO的時候往下看本來在WTO我們台灣稻米年長115萬噸WTO給我們的進口費容許在14萬噸裡面是零關稅但是超出的部分還是要課稅對不對是縱使是這樣子台灣的稻米的成本大概是四五十萬一公斤 |
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但是如果說我們今天是零關稅,軍價可能是29,所以你要因應衝擊啦,因為時間快到了,我就請你衝擊,來往下看,郭部長換你了。這個裕隆汽車前兩天發出一個聲明,他說如果台灣對美國是零關稅,他的汽車進來零關稅的話,他們覺得會很難撐下去,你認同這樣的說法嗎? |
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這個在現象上面可能會發生這樣子不過我們經濟部的角度來講我們還是因為我們有10萬多人的從業人員在所以我們會讓他轉型調整轉型調整譬如說台灣的電子零組件這麼強讓他轉型生產電動車這也是一個項目很好 |
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陳部長這就是我希望農業部要及早因應的我是揣在蛋其實如果是台灣出口受阻其實相對農業線受到的影響相對低但是如果台灣現在是進口是開放那麼我們農業線受到的影響是大的但是如果出口沒有問題進口有問題我們郭部長只要擔心台灣的汽車裝配業等一些少數的產業但是如果農業部門我們就受到很大影響所以結論 |
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是不是請農業部就我國 若我國對美的關稅降至零如果協助我國的農漁畜牧業因應衝擊提出農業報告 可以嗎可以 我們會做這樣的一個分析那多久可以給本席一個月好 謝謝 謝謝兩位部長 謝謝好 謝謝宗教兵委員那下一位請羅美玲委員發言沒關係 好 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請經濟部 郭部長那個部長可能要趕到桃園 所以接下來是部長要趕到桃園 次長嗎因為早上有先同意部長那就有請代次長好 請次長代替 |
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市長好 市長今天台灣時間的凌晨美國對中國呢 祭出了125%的這個出口關稅這也意味著未來中國洗產地的這行為會更加的嚴重那是不是也意味著台灣成為中國洗產地的這個跳板的狀況呢會更加的嚴重 那雖然是說我們立法院在2019年的時候已經 |
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三讀通過了這個貿易法的修正案那如果說廠商標示不實產地使用不實的貿易貿易證明文件等違法行為我們的罰款是由新台幣30萬大幅提升到300萬可是我們所看到的就是說其實這個貿易法修正案通過之後呢洗產地的這個狀況其實呢雖然稍稍改善可是還是發生了因為我們從報章的這個 |
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媒體有發現就是說不管是漁業也好或者是說這個中國的監視器廠商的利用台灣做跳板等等這些都發生那再來未來可能會更加的嚴重尤其是這個125%的出口關稅現在已經正式實施了我想請問當然我有看到這個國貿署他有提供資料就是說 |
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雖然說實施之後有稍稍減少稍微減少可是我是擔心的就是說這個出口關稅這個政策提高之後那台灣要如何因應我們香港的法律會不會想要來做加嚴這個部分我們有考慮過嘛因為目前剛剛我聽到郭部長所講的都是目前我們的這個目前所實施的這個政策那未來呢未來我們香港法律會不會來做加嚴 |
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第一個非常感謝立法院的支持我們貿易法進行修正那這個財法如剛剛委員所說的我們會重演來做相關的查緝工作最嚴重的話還可以取消他的登記證就是現在法令就會這樣現在法令就是這麼做了嗎未來呢 |
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未來的部分的話我們會通常來做檢討目前的相關法令我們要如何去再做加嚴修正法規需要與時俱進去做檢討的這個必要的話未來會做滾動式的修正就對了現階段我們在這個時間點最重要要做的事情就是包括 |
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這些產品的監視包括他從中國進來臺灣甚至臺灣輸美的部分這個我們貿易署跟財政部都有對接資料來去進行監測除此之外我們對於全國的所謂的進出口廠商或是生產廠商去進行宣導第三個部分我們希望 |
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把我們過去所查緝出來的所謂的違規的這個名單把它列出來它是一個高風險的這個名單那我們從這幾個方面希望說來減少說因為請消或是違規轉運也就是委員所說的洗產地的問題 |
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OK 這部分的話我們應該還是會來做監控啦 因為其實我們比較擔心是未來會有更多這種稀產地的這個事情會發生 OK好 那這個美國呢他這個高額關稅提出來之後 其實我們也看到就是說行政單位也好 或是賴總統也好 其實在第一時間呢就已經定調了 我們就是 |
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不報復然後我們就需要來做談判以現在來看的話尤其是今天的一個大轉彎我們覺得我們的這個方向其實是正確的那再來我想請教的就是說現在我們有提出了881的這個支援方案嘛那當然也有很多人就說881到底夠不夠 |
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到底夠不夠 未來我們有會想要考慮來增加嗎可是還有一點就是說我們有看到就是副院長鄭麗君副院長有提到說其實這個880億的支援方案其實是屬於階段性的這個措施那我們也都知道說這個部分可能也跟美國在談判的時候可能要特別提出來因為像中美貿易戰的話美國針對的其實就是中國長期的惡意補貼這部分他認為這是不公平的一個 |
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一個行為所以他針對這一點這所謂的補貼的這個方案其實他有很多的這個意見那當然台灣的881的支援方案其實它是階段性的這個這個措施這個部分的話我們在談判的時候是會不會就是說特別跟美方來強調這個部分其實是階段性的措施跟中國的這個長期惡意補貼方案是不一樣的我們會特別強調這一點嗎 |
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第一個我們的政府他已經有詳細的規劃包括談判的小組他應該有一個他就有一個週盤的沙盤推演這是第一個第二個我們今天剛剛委員所提到了880億我剛剛也是在行政院會去報告參與這個事情那基本上左院長說 |
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九大面向二十項措施基本上是不會改變的而政府可以馬上做的就要先行來做只要協助廠商不管是在經費不管是在行政支持金融支持全力以赴所以這個部分的話如果是說其實881可能就是現階段是這樣我們會是未來 |
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未來我們看這個局面的轉變也許我們也會加碼是這樣子的意思嗎我們會等待檢討 也有可能只要可以協助了 我們都盡量盡量好 謝謝 因為時間的關係我想行政單位這段時間真的是辛苦了那我們也希望說這個危機很可能也就是台灣的轉機 以上謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝羅美玲委員那下一位請黃國昌委員黃國昌委員黃國昌委員不在請李坤成委員發言謝謝主席那我們是請這個能力部陳部長來請陳部長 |
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這個美國的關稅對台灣的關稅本來是32%今天早上一早接到消息變成10%那部長是哪時候知道這個訊息的我大概六點的時候我知道它是凌晨發布的但是我在凌晨之前就先睡了我是早上醒來的時候知道那看到這個新聞你感受心情怎麼樣 |
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我第一個時間覺得說我們有更多的時間爭取了一些更多的時間能夠在產業上面來做有效的溝通然後去針對現在目前的政策做滾動的一個檢討的機會 |
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那現在這個關稅這部分的話這個美國他是有點名有一些這個非關稅的一些障礙那其實有一些是跟農業部是有相關的那之前有點名就是說那包含這個稻米、基改等作物包含這個美豬美牛等等那請問一下在接下來這個談判的這個90天還有一個緩衝期那農業部這方面要怎麼樣做因應我想 |
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我們一定會配合整個談判小組的一個談判策略不過從農業部的立場而且談判小組也充分的已經體認認知到其實農業的產業跟其他的工業產業它有它的特殊性最主要是它具有肩負糧食安全的一個非常重要的一個責任所以在這個前提之下我們 |
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在做後續的跟美方做溝通跟談判的過程中一定會維持我們產業穩定的發展還有農民的權益為前提所以針對現在目前已經設定比較高的那個關稅的情況之下我們會盡量的去維持但是雙方之間如果是一個互補的 |
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這些產品的話我們可以考慮做某種程度的調整但是調整也不是一次到位而是像有一些階段性的我們會朝這個方向去努力因為我們的關稅就農業產品來講的確是比較高所以說我是比較擔心說在談判的過程當中會不會影響到我們農民的權益 |
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對 所以我想我們會就是針對台灣產業已經有一個發展的我們會盡量會守護著這樣的一個產業的一個強調那美國進來的現在目前最大宗的還是黃曉玉他們所在乎的那黃曉玉本身的關稅就是零了 |
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他關稅就是零了所以基本上沒有什麼影響他可能影響的就是說我們現在有的包括媒體所講的那個豬跟雞的部分那這個部分其實我們產業一定有一個產業鏈在那邊的那我想我們一定會守護我們的產業維持我們產業永續發展為前提去跟美方去談有哪一些是農業部認為說在談判過程當中不能夠退讓的 |
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我想不能夠推斷我剛才所提到的就是說我們目前對產業可能衝擊性比較高的這些產業那這個產業對糧食安全有影響的我們盡量會跟美方去做一個說明每一個國家它的農產品它都有不同的保護性的一個措施在那邊 |
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對 我想整個關稅我們會配合談判小組去談那至於說細節的部分我想我現在變在這邊去說明哪一些是可以處理 哪一些是不可以處理的OK 好 謝謝部長接下來我們請經濟部的次長好 請次長 |
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委員好 市長請教一下那雖然像台灣現在關稅是90天裡面是降成10%嘛那中國他是增加他是這個104現在變成125啦那當然我們還有台商在中國雖然已經這個第一次川普執政的時候已經陸陸續續的回到台灣是回到東南亞了那這樣子對於台商的影響你們有評估到嗎因為接下來川普對於中國的這個壓力應該會越來越大 |
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我們台灣的廠商在全球布局它裡面這幾年我們觀察到一個狀況就是2020年的時候當時常住在中國的台灣人大概有100萬人但是這個數量在減少 |
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有一些是回台灣投資有一些是到其他的地方去佈局所以我們積極的推動三大投資方案我們也統計到上個月月底為止台商回台投資的部分已經超過1.3兆那我們持續的在做這個部分希望說看看可不可以擴大對台商的這個協助 |
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因為現在還是有財商留在那裡嘛那因為現在美國對中國的課稅是高達125%有可能會再增加如果這個中國還在這個奉陪到底的話那我是說問台商的影響那我們應該怎麼做勒 |
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我們第一個持續的透過我們跟產業界的座談或是工協會的座談收集到他們的意見然後把這個相關的意見給這個海基會透過他做必要的一個協助那除此之外的話持續關懷台商因為台商都他都有一些台商的協會的這個部分這個部分也是我們可以收集資料的一個最重要的一個來源 |
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我的意思是說在川普在2016第一次執政的時候因為他對中國他把他視成是一個敵對的國家經濟上面或是國防上面對他有影響所以那一次也間接造成這個我們產業回到我們台灣然後這一個也那我們也希望說有那個南向政策嘛那我現在的意思是說那川普現在在執政了那一樣施加這麼大的壓力給中國那是不是有可能再一次促成這個在中國的這些台商再回來台灣或是說這個 |
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因為東南亞現在這個課的關稅也很高那是不是有這個計畫讓台商再回流不是只有說去關懷他們或是說問他們有什麼樣的問題或是說類似這種產業結構再變動的一個比較大的一個架構你們有沒有去想到這個當然有我剛剛講三大投資方案其中台商回流的部分透過我們跟院裡面院裡面已經有合訂延長這個計畫那我們希望擴大辦理 |
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我們審視過去台商回台包括台灣的這個產業的這個轉型的這個過程裡面我們發現說即便是相當傳統的產業他可以因為科技的運用包括數位的轉型讓他的產品的質量素質提高 |
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所以在這一次我們所提到的880億元的這個規劃裡面有一個研發轉型的部分那研發轉型的部分當然我們對中小企業我們會來與協助除了中小企業之外產業聯盟也可以啊以大代小也都可以這個都是在我們的規劃方案裡面 |
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因為我初看那個計畫啦我想說那個是對於台灣的產業好像是這個協助的地方比較多好像比較少是說是在中國的台商或是其他地方的台商回來的這方面的協助啦 |
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當然我們希望說他先回來台灣投資我們希望我們更有台灣嘛所以我們除了台商回台投資我們優化我們的投資的環境這是政府應該去做的一個事情好 謝謝市長 謝謝主席好 謝謝李坤城委員那我們下一位請伍麗華委員伍麗華委員伍麗華委員不在請徐宇珍委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我們請農業部陳部長有請部長 |
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部長好部長這一天很辛苦每天可能都像洗三溫暖一樣今天一覺醒來關稅又降到10%了而且還有90天的緩衝期但是美國對於中國大陸是真的要課這125%的一個關稅部長可以先看一下這個表格就是我所做的就主要受影響品項跟競爭對手國 |
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就是蝴蝶蘭跟冷凍無果魚就是所謂的台灣貂其實是我們輸美最多那但是同時我們的主要競爭者也是中國大陸那現在他們要課徵125%的關稅我們是10%所以請問一下針對現在這樣一個新的契機那農業部隊這樣子我們這些業者有什麼樣的建議 |
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我想特別是我們現在如果能夠有一個緩衝期有機會再跟業者進一步的討論那未來的關稅如果不會到32如果更低的時候那相對於中國我們就有更高的機會那我們會針對現在目前毛豆中國的佔比最高對美國來講然後吳國瑜也是 |
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那這些產品其實就是我們的一個機會那蝴蝶蛋部分雖然說是荷蘭但是荷蘭的生產模式跟我們不一樣那相對的我們在擴大海外的那個蝴蝶蛋廠的一個投資做接力生產那這個東西都在我們的促進的那個支持方案裡面會去協助我們的業者 |
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現在針對這個部分表示說我們對於每出口的增加應該不會影響太大但是這可能是不是也相對的就對於我們國內的消費市場的衝擊大概會有多大不過這個以現在關稅10%因為我們過去美國大概平均是對農產品是5%所以相對它也是有提高了但是這個提高在業者的角度來講還是可以做一些接受而且我們的支持的方案不會說 |
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三十二才處理 十就不處理 我們還是會有一些因為剛剛部長提出了一些建議的方案嘛可是因為農產品跟漁產品跟其他產品最大的不同就是他沒有辦法說不種就不種 說不養就不養所以他必須要有一個這個養殖期所以在面對川普政府他這樣反覆無常的一個政策之下就是農業部有沒有用什麼樣的方案來去提醒我們的這些農漁民 |
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我想最重要像特別我舉個例子特別昨天在吳國瑜的這些座談裡面一個非常重要的就是我們一定要持續的將產品拉出去前端的放養才會繼續走不然你如果說因為觀望訂單停了以後後面的放養就可能會觀望會造成就算以後恢復了以後你前端沒有餘的所以我們會去強化所謂的國外的這些獎勵也好或是行銷包括其他的高端市場的行銷這個部分我們會積極去做 |
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那像台湾雕的业者很担心这个中国大陆或巴西洗产地这样的一个问题那农业部有什么因应的选择我想洗产地当然我们会加强茶气但是有一个比较特殊的就是我们的台湾雕跟中国的台湾雕是不同品系的所以我们在技术上也可以做区分 |
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所以後續我們在整個的一個產業的流程裡面我們會用溯源的方式包括前端場域的放氧量的申報跟他要去出口的時候去做相關的溯源那這樣的話就避免他透過國內的業者去做洗產地 |
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所以針對這個部分的話我想這個農漁民都是說實在相對弱勢所以面對這樣的一個衝擊很需要農業部還有我們全民做他們的後盾我們再看一下就是根據2024年的統計的數據來看我們的農產品的逆差大概是29.9億美元那目前我們看到一下台灣最大的是出口中的農產品是無國魚 |
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那最大的這個漁產品是吳國瑜農產品是蝴蝶蘭那因為蝴蝶蘭對美國出口的產值大概18.3億台幣美國也佔出口市場達四成是我們最大的買主那在美國宣布這個關稅政策暫緩之前很多業者就反映就蘇美的訂單可能出現暫停 |
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或者取消的一個狀況現在雖然是暫緩但是面對這樣子反覆無常的一個策略那對於我們這些胡德蘭業者農業部有什麼因應的方式特別在昨天早上也跟胡德蘭業者座談了那現在除了觀望為主那已經有交貨的有一些是延遲付款的部分 |
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那延遲付款他們對他們資金的周轉是有壓力的所以我們的金融支持會持續下去去讓他們在短期之內的金融的一個減輕他的壓力但是非常重要的就是後端本身的這些獎勵他們是希望說 |
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以現在目前的當初32的關稅的時候部分的關稅是由進口商去吸收那一部分是由出口商來吸收那出口商吸收再加上我們的獎勵對他們的衝擊就會小這個訂單就會繼續拉的出去最後一個問題就是想請教一下就是針對美國希望我們對美豬跟美牛不要標示原產地跟萊克多巴胺的這個政策請問一下在談判的過程中農業部會讓步嗎 |
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我想這個有關於標示跟相關的檢驗的部分是衛務部主責但是以農業部來講我們還是會去支持我們我們自己的產業的一個發展那以過往的這些數據來看以豬肉來講我們的自給率大概是88到90那每一年進口大概是10萬噸左右那會有消長的部分所以我想我們還是以支持我們國內的產業為最主要的談判的一個前提 |
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希望農業部針對我國食安的問題這個部分絕對不能讓步謝謝部長 |
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謝謝徐宇珍委員那下一位請黃建豪黃建豪黃建豪委員不在請蔓玉珍蔓玉珍蔓玉珍委員不在請羅明才羅明才羅明才委員不在請王宏威王宏威王宏威委員委員不在請蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在請馬文君馬文君馬文君委員不在好下一位請葉元之委員發言 |
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麻煩請農業部長謝謝來請陳部長 |
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座長 針對川普的關稅政策你們今天盤點出來我們輸出到美國的幾項產品蝴蝶、蘭茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚、鬼頭刀等等但是其實我看到非常多的業者他們反映其實不只是這幾項可能會受到影響譬如說雞腿因為美國的雞腿美國人比較不吃雞腿所以他們本來進來台灣這邊是比較便宜 |
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因為有關稅關係所以會比較貴啦但是如果說現在政府要用零關稅去談讓美國的農產品都零關稅進來其實對於本來台灣的一些其他的產品也會受到影響所以你們現在相關的因應之道是什麼我跟委員報告你剛才所提的分兩件事情就是我剛才 |
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我們是第一個部分是因為美國的關稅提高影響到我們的出口那出口的部分大概有六個品項是主要影響的品項但是所有的輸到美國的產品都有不同程度的影響只是比較多的那另外你剛才講到肌肉的部分是美國輸到台灣的部分那現在輸到台灣的部分我們有一些關稅的一個保護這我都知道我沒有產生很多事件就是因為現在政府要零關稅去談嘛 |
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那其實很多專家學者是說零關稅對美國沒有什麼吸引力啦因為我們的法定關稅本來就不高啦大概2%左右啦但是如果說到時候美國因為我們進口美國的農產品比較多嘛我們輸出過去比較少嘛所以他如果 |
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特別就是說那好那我們農產品來零關稅其實對我們在地本土的農業會有影響嗎我現在是問的說這一塊你們對對對我想關稅的談判一個部分是一致性的就是國家稅就是不管任何產品都是一致的稅率還有另外一個方式是會根據不同的品項但是就農業的產品來講它有它的特殊性在很多國家都是一樣的它不會全部都是零關稅它會有一些 |
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當你的當地的產業是需要去支持的時候他就不會是零關稅本來就是這樣啊可是問題是現在政府因為現在川普的他的氣勢比較高嘛他現在說各國領導人等著要去拍他馬屁啊然後要跟他做交易啊所以他如果現在政府如果說好沒關係我就每項零關稅等於是犧牲我們的農業去談嘛 |
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所以我現在聽部長的意思是說農業有其特殊性所以你不會希望農業產品零關稅是不是我想我們的談判小組已經知道了你講的跟賴總統講的就大家一般大眾理解就不一樣沒有賴總統講的是從零關稅開始談起但是相對的整個談判是所有的產品但是農業我想談判小組已經也體認到也確認就是說農業有它的特殊性不會每一項所以每一個農業都不會用零關 |
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農業不會用零關稅跟他談他講的零關稅是其他的產業農業的部分重要的這些產品我們一定堅持不能用零關稅那就不是零關稅開始談起他講話就不精準他應該要講說農產品之外我們用零關稅跟他談因為他這樣講我們大家一定都會誤會了他講的是我們台灣好比自己整體的貿易整體的貿易的處理謝謝你的說明第二個 |
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因為說實在美國他們除了關稅你用零關稅跟他談之後他更在意的是非關稅的貿易障礙嘛其中好幾項都跟食安有關啊比如說基因食品啊或者簡易啊等等啊或者是一些進口的配額那 |
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部長你會不會針對這些比較相關的食安像之前其實台灣對於比如萊豬的進口啊都其實國內的人都其實蠻抗拒的那如果美國現在藉機要求說你只要你的食安標準太高的話這是一種貿易障礙那農業部能夠堅持嗎 |
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不過我想整個的相關的食品的安全是會務部主責但是我們一定會配合整體的談判的一個策略那以農業部來講以農業部的角度啦以農業部來講我們是針對相關的措施對產業的影響那包括相 |
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之前的豬肉豬肉的部分我想我們有很好的豬整個台灣豬產業的一個支持系統所以我們的整個的次舉率還是維持到88到90之間所以相對的這些國外進口的這些衝擊就在一個可控的一個風險之下那未來我想我們還是會以去持續去強化我們國內的產業為主軸 |
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這是農業部的最後一個提醒就是因為之前你們有推一個斑斑喝鮮奶的政策當時其實也是因應紐西蘭的牛奶零關稅要進來台灣為保護弱農所以急救商推出來現在也無疾而終了嘛推一段時間後來也都不做了如果到時候談判造成說我們有一些農業產品必須降低關稅讓美國的產品進來因為現在也不是美國的到時候其他國家也有可能比較要求 |
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就是說你對美國這樣降低那其他國家說那我要降低如果說到時候關稅降低的話我希望農業部有配套不要像上次斑斑喝鮮奶一樣講說保護國內的就叫學校去處理然後沒有配套措施就搞得一團亂 |
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相關的配套我覺得要規劃好了我們的關稅的調整一定有後續的配套的作為對啊 上次的配套就慢慢喝鮮奶所以後來就團亂了鮮奶的政策是很正確的但是後面的執行細節有它一些地方政府還有一些學校之間那不是地方政府的問題啦因為今天時間不夠了農業部那時候推出來的時候就沒有規劃很完整嘛我是說以後萬一要配套的話希望能夠規劃完整再上路啦 |
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要以那個斑斑喝鮮奶當做一個前車之鑒好謝謝好謝謝葉元之委員那下一位請徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在謝一鳳委員謝一鳳委員謝一鳳委員不在好下一位請邱志偉委員發言 |
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謝謝主席有請經濟部賴次長還有農業部陳部長 |
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主要影響是農業部跟經濟部所以今天主題是對我國農漁序以及關鍵產業競爭力的相關的影響那當然這個川普當然他的是變動性的常態常態是個變動性變動性的常態也是常態是變動性就好像川劇變的一樣幕不暇集今天逼著但是明天會換另外一種臉 |
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彷彿這個川劇變臉但是他的內心沒有變他的內心就是他把那個臉他不講你的真實臉孔在哪裡但是他的內心就是讓美國再次偉大他的核心是美國的這個國家利益對不對所以這是基本上他是這個進攻型的這個現實主義者 |
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他主動出擊去爭取他的國家利益用強勢逼迫透過這種方式我覺得他已經達到初步的目的所以各國要怎麼樣去因應川普的關稅的政策我認為我國可以用不變應萬變什麼叫不變第一對內的部分一定要強化這個產業的競爭力 |
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你有競爭力你才有跟其他國家這個競爭的本錢不然關稅制度調整你有競爭力一定是比其他國家更有機會所以要不斷的強化這個產業競爭力第二個我們這個賴總統不是提到這個均衡台灣嗎我們要均衡全球的貿易市場 |
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均衡全球貿易市場不要把所有的市場集中在特定國家比方說過去集中在中國還是美國我覺得全球六大洲都是我們的主要市場沒有分什麼次要市場所以你要持續強化均衡全球貿易市場強化對國際的行銷 |
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另外一方面就是要全面透過這個時間盤點當前農工相關產品的關稅政策是不是也不合時宜是不是有檢討的必要這三個不變 |
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持續推動 持續加強這對內的部分是可操之在我們但是不可操之在我們是在在美國的這個關稅政策我剛剛所提到 川劇變臉幾乎常常每天這變動是一個常態所以我們強化這如何跟這個主要貿易國家的這個協商的機制跟談判人員的強化駐美 我們談判小組駐美的這個經濟組統有多少人 那個賴市長 |
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駐美經濟組的同仁,我去過啊,他們來滿多的18個人,不只是美國,整個北美,所以我告訴你,18個人你要加強,像行政院有跨部會的這個因應小組,我希望你這個經濟部也要組成跨局處的這個因應小組 |
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國貿局 以前工業局 現在這個產發署相關的局處跟駐美經濟小組的我們駐美國的經濟組同仁要保持一個密切的聯繫前線跟後勤能夠馬上得到這個訊息的無縫接軌同樣的農業部也要如此辦理 |
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包括你這個六項主要影響農業產品六項是主要影響的那六項總金額是多少錢蕭美的總金額是多少錢六項加起來現在目前加起來六項加起來大概是五十多億五十多億嘛相對於比這個經濟部主管的相關的我們產業的金額相當比較小但是不是因為比較小我們就不重視 |
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但是我要強調就是說這個前線跟我們後行後線的這個協調機制非常重要所以怎麼樣派更多的紅人到這段時間去美國啊來協助怎麼樣去跟川普政府做更多的政策的協調戳傷也好因為90天之後他是暫緩90天90天之後還不知道是不是90天之後如期上路 |
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還是會變 沒有人知道 只有川普知道但是我們做最壞的打算就是說如果90天 三個月之後他如期上路那我們還是要因應那90天是黃金的90天黃金的三個月你要把握這個時間去跟美國相關部位包括他們農業部 包括他們的商務部包括跟白宮相關的經濟的閣員 |
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有更多的溝通 更多的協調在90天之內有一個進展讓美國可以接受我們做相關的政策的調整包括我們加強對美國的投資也要讓他們知道說投資哪些項目加強對美國的這個購買 |
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15240.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
15265.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
比方說對美國有哪些產品我們可以加強來對他們的購買來平衡對美國的貿易的這個順利差我們對他們的順差非常高所以因為順差高我們才被他認為是高關稅的國家嘛所以我們加強投資加強對美採購這個一定要在三十九十天之內確實到位 |
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15267.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15277.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
品相經得都要清楚當然也包括其他部會包括我想能源也算是進一步吧對不對包括天然氣的採購包括相關的農產品的採購也當然包括國防 |
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15284.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15298.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
我覺得日本政府對這個因應我覺得還不錯從以前的這個歷任的這個這個首相對美國的這個貿易政策他們這個敏銳度非常高安倍 |
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15300.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15325.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
安倍首相他跟美國的只要說稍微跟美國對這個日本貿易的這個有一些意見的時候安倍他就馬上立刻放下身上去談判透過加強的這個採購來把這個貿易的順差把它降下來得到美國的這個信任然後美日關係又變成一個很準同盟的關係 |
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15326.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15354.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
另外一個極端例子就是這個中國中國對抗你看現在75國全部90天的暫緩對不對暫緩之後搞不好有這個談判的結果有談判的進度搞不好這邊這些關稅又會再下降又會回到原來的水準所以我覺得這個是川普過去他的這個執政一貫的策略先用高壓高壓之後逼著你一定要去談判 |
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15356.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
15378.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
談判之後有一個好的結果當然共識當然對雙方都是好的對他的美國的國家利益也是好的對台灣也不見之不好對貿易的對手國也不見之不好所以我剛剛說對內的三個變對外我們要積極怎麼樣把握這次黃金三個月去跟美國建立起磋商的機制談判的這個具體成果這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
15380.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15408.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
這個農業部有沒有相關的單位在美國我想農業部我們有農業組在那邊那其實特別是針對剛才委員所說的其實均能全權的貿易是非常重要的就是我們沒辦法依賴一個單一的國家所以我們在這一次的支持方案裡面我們其實也考慮到這個所以在這些相關的這些行銷面的部分除了美國市場以外我們也針對主要的目標市場也同步在啟動讓這些產品能夠有更多元的這些市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
15409.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15425.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
劇本不是我們寫的劇本是川普寫的但是我們要有因應劇本的相關的戰略你要想想看他可能會有哪些劇本過去說有這個李登輝總統說他掌握18套劇本對不對你們要設想到每一個scenario可能對台灣的產業衝擊對農業衝擊 |
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15429.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15442.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
然後針對這些相關的影響我們去做對內的相關的協調也好或者是跟產業界座談也好對外要加強對這個溝通時間到了還有很多事情另外投資台灣三大方案這也是經濟部的業務 |
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15450.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15465.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我們希望說這一波的產業結構的調整這些全球供應鏈的重新的重組我希望有更多的這個核心關鍵產業能夠回來台灣但回來台灣你這個三大方案再延長到2027年對不對 那個市長 |
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15469.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15488.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
這個部分我們已經有規劃了那院長也有表示那基本上我們會依照這個三大投資方案的這個部分就你現在所說的到2027的部分去做規劃這個如果這一波回來可能是關鍵的產業所以他們回來中間性反而是更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
15490.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15504.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
重要性更高所以我認為經濟部門要提供更好的EOE讓這些產業在重組的過程中願意來台灣再來投資回來台灣投資所以各國的經貿政策一定是以他的國家利益為主 |
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15505.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15533.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
所以我們當然我們在規劃任何的這個經貿政策當然以台灣的國家利益為主產業政策的利益為主所以包括農民的利益為主我相信兩位包括陳部長包括剛剛郭部長也來還有賴市長我想這段時間執政團隊非常辛苦那我相信你們也做好準備只是說很多事情非超支在我們是超支在美方超支在川普政府但是我們這些所有劇本都要很清楚做盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
15534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15539.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那我也提醒財政部理事長那個關稅你要怎麼利用這段時間做一些相關的全面盤點跟調整這個財政部有沒有相關的計畫因為關稅的調整主要還是要看產業主管機關他們對產業的影響評估 |
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15560.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15565.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
這部分財政部會來尊重主管機關評估的結果尊重主管機關那相關主管機關也要針對各個品項的關稅目前是到底合不合理到底造成的順差對美國的影響有多大這個應該去盤點只要說主管機關做出相關的建議財政部都願意做調整嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
15582.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15603.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
我們會經由這個主管機關做審慎評估因為他們會考量整個產業的這個發展還有就是會不會對台灣的就業造成影響或衝擊這部分我們會尊重產業主管機關評估的意見我要特別謝謝史上這個最好的趙偉給我給我額外的幾分鐘謝謝你來 |
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15611 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
15637.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
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15656.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
15657.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
谢谢大家 |