| IVOD_ID |
165796 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165796 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-24T12:14:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-24T12:23:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f813cb5f76f781036ec39b9f793623f7408e1b0d34147d14d262ea90fa57e99411b1cec9fb31ec975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
涂權吉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:27 - 12:23:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請環境部部長就「聯合國第30屆氣候峰會之後台灣氣候治理方向與如何提升台灣『氣候變遷績效指標』名次，落實2050淨零排放路徑策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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好 謝謝主席 請我們彭部長部長好彭部長辛苦了那個感冒還要接受那麼多質詢部長 請問一下我們經濟部有說因為現在綠能的發展沒有達標那現在又因為他認為沒有達標的原因他要來修這個環評法 |
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那我們來了解一下我們現在根據經濟部統計再生能源發電的結構我們看從105年到今年生殖能及廢棄物它的發電從28.3%降到12%可是當然太陽光電從8.7%增加到41.7%風力發電也從11.4%增加到28.8% |
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那從這個數據來看我們看起來再生能源發電的結構是不平衡的那當然就是針對光電跟風電它是一直在成長可是我們不了解說為什麼生殖能 |
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廢棄物發電這個部分它是降低的而且行政院在2017年就有推出多元化垃圾處理計畫當初也有規劃剩餘生殖能發電它那時候有講最少要有三座生殖能的發電廠可是目前 |
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我們看到只有台中跟桃園兩座所以針對這部分應該再生能源發電應該針對生殖能電廠這部分是不是應該要來加強 |
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對 謝謝委員 這個其實這次的這個無溫的這個廚餘的處理就是我們其實一直要鼓勵這個生殖能但是我們所知道像桃園桃園那個案子他們把這個焚化爐弄在一起而且是用一個中心的方式讓大家可以理解其實這個生殖能的中心因為附近的居民很容易把它變成一個零幣設施所以推動起來很好但是就會常常遇到一些阻礙 |
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可是照這樣來看其實生食能處理中心你看它又可以處理垃圾然後桃園這個又可以處理 |
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熟廚魚熟廚魚他又因為用豔陽處理還可以發電那所以針對這部分應該炒著這部分我們行政院當初就有規劃多元化垃圾處理這一部分那目標應該要去達到應該像這個又可以處理垃圾又可以處理廚魚然後又可以發電我們應該要炒這一方面去發展才對報告委員因為目前我所知道的是南投他已經有招標了然後另外一個是 |
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台南也願意要蓋 高雄也願意要蓋所以其實目前很多的縣市他願意來蓋這些東西來解決廚藝的問題 所以我們是鼓勵的 |
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對啊 所以因為我們看我們今天提這個意思是說經濟部針對這個發電的部分因為他現在要修這個環評法我覺得說重點應該不能只通通放在光電跟風電上面那再生能源發電有很多的方式像我們剛剛提的生殖能源中心就是一個很好處理垃圾處理魚又可以發電那這部分 |
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因為環評法的主管單位是環境部所以部長是不是應該有什麼建議其實這次如果光電修的話我是覺得如果這個能夠在討論的過程當中有一些科學的討論甚至在本委員會 |
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很好的辯論會更好但是這樣提了之後就會造成說整個再生能源因為我們現在變成全世界再生能源環評最嚴格的一個國家這個到底是不是很好的一個做法會不會影響到後續再生能源的發展這個都要觀察那我們等待這個經濟部能源署他們去算出來因為他們有口頭跟我說他們這個淨零的目標2030 2035恐怕都達不到他們有特別提醒我 |
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那我還沒有接到他們的報告所以未來我們會跟他們再討論所以如果因應這個修法之後的衝擊我認為在再生能源以太陽能來說的話一定會非常大的所以我說今天提出這個部分就是說希望說我們再生能源真的不是只有光電只有風電像我們提這個生殖能中心發電廠就是一個非常好的方式 |
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而且加上現在剛好有非洲豬瘟的問題那它又可以處理垃圾又可以處理廚餘所以這個我覺得環境部也可以朝著這一方面提出一個好的建議我們其實為了因應豬瘟的廚餘未來有可能會不為豬我們要整個去化的能量要把它拉起來所以的確是有很多的縣市有告訴我們說他們有這個需求那也在這個規劃當中了 |
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因为这个我们上个礼拜就是为了这个部分去考察我们桃园观音生殖能处理中心那还有一个就是我们虹桥科技因为虹桥科技我才发现它是得过我们经济部国家产业创新奖而且它好像是我们唯一能够把这个厨余 |
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完整回收處理它液體的部分處理完以後可以做豬的飼料固體的部分可以做成我們的有機肥料而且等於說廚餘它可以百分之百的 |
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做這循環經濟百分之百的處理這部分 部長瞭解嗎瞭解 我們很鼓勵這樣的堆肥廠能夠興建不過其實這個有些縣市想要蓋但是也會遇到附近居民的抗爭所以這個溝通還是一個大問題可是我們發現 |
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它占地小 處理量能大你看我們那去我們才了解那其他立委說怎麼有這麼好的技術它才800平方公尺一天可以處理100噸以上的廚餘甚至他說其實可以處理更多 |
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所以像这么好的技术我们也发现连很多其他的国外的业者通通都来台湾来这边来考察所以我说奇怪台湾自己有这么好的技术怎么不去好好推广可以完善的把这个厨艺全部完整的处理 |
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有 這個部分很多的縣市都願意來興建這樣的措施已經在進行當中了那我們是希望他們一兩年內可以把這個量能夠起來不是只有靠焚化而已好 所以我是建議不要到時候台灣的技術只有國外的推廣做得比我們好結果我們台灣好的技術都沒有好好去把它好好的去發揮尤其剛好我說現在剛好這個非洲豬瘟的問題應該可以好好的來研議可以 這個我們會來做 |
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好 那還有現在針對我們IMO的部分那據我們了解我們收取碳費的中央政府機關是環境部那在規定氣候變遷因應法中也有規定那我們國際海事組織IMO現在早就有計畫要收碳費那我們想說IMO這個通過之後 |
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收取碳費 我們交通部 航港局預計也有要跟進那以後這個費用是交通部收還是環境部來收報告委員 這個還沒有研議因為IMO我知道川普是公開反對的所以這個因為美國是最大的航運的一個進出口的國家所以這件事情還沒有我們部會還沒有開始在討論當中我們會看未來的進展 |
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對啊 因為據我們了解這個碳費收取是環境部 |
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沒有 這是歐盟的碳稅歐盟的CBAN 歐盟的碳關稅所以這個制度還沒有像CBAN這麼的完善所以都還在討論當中 還沒有這個結果我們會有一切注意所以針對目前我們當然碳費收取還是環境部所以IMO的部分還沒有做實際的討論還沒有 還沒有到那個階段那如果它這個通過的話到底如果這個通過會有可能是交通部來收這個錢嗎 |
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這個還沒有討論例如說好無舉例船到臺灣他也會排放空污在臺灣海峽那我們是不是以後要收空污費這個我們也在討論這個話題當中或是說他進到這個我們的港他用到我們的岸電那我們是要收他一些費用所以這個部分都還在我們會看這個IMO他未來的發展他的這個法規法制化的這個程度而定 |
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因為我們看這個船舶它是屬於碳排高的部分所以到時候它是高碳排的部分可能對於我們整個空污也會很大的影響那當然就像部長講的你說因為現在還不確定所以還沒有進入討論還沒有好 謝謝 |