| IVOD_ID |
165788 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165788 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-24T11:25:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-24T11:35:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f813cb5f76f78103c813796ed31321c7408e1b0d34147d14ce48de7d8cd95b0d2cb1202a763c6df65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:57 - 11:35:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請環境部部長就「聯合國第30屆氣候峰會之後台灣氣候治理方向與如何提升台灣『氣候變遷績效指標』名次，落實2050淨零排放路徑策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝召委 召委我請一下彭部長來 請部長楊維好 部長好 部長我們這次非洲豬瘟引起很多關於廚餘去化的討論 那很多很多縣市可能將來也都會禁止廚餘養豬避免有一些傳染的風險 |
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台灣每天的廚餘大概有超過六成是靠餵養組織來處理是 現在 對那經過這一次的事情以後呢可能有一大部分都是直接進入焚化爐可是呢這個不只會對焚化爐的設備造成影響也會產生到外 |
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戴奧鑫等等的空污的問題所以有幾個問題請教部長就是在這一次的事件中有專家提出日本相關的處理廚餘養豬的方式是比較先進的那他們也沒有非洲豬瘟的問題主要是因為先將廚餘區域集中處理而且乾燥飼料化我們未來有沒有可能 |
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考慮統一由中央政府集中處 |
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全程來管理珍珠中心避免個別業者違規的情形謝謝委員的這個問題其實這個部分我們其實跟農業部一直不斷的在討論這個問題那至於說這個珍珠中心的共同珍珠這個是農業部在主政那當然我們在溝通過程當中因為上禮拜有一群委員跟我們的團隊也有到日本去看 |
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那非常贊同委員你說的這個意見那共同爭主中心是有它的必要性存在但是那個農業部他們有特別提到說台灣的這個國情都覺得說自己組的會比較好別人組的呢可能到我這邊是不是可以到一個認證所以這個部分呢我們有聽到多方的意見都在辯論當中所以現在呢我們希望這個禮拜可以有一個更完整的一個答案出來 |
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對 當然沒有一個政策是可以十全十美不過假如說個別徵組就是有的時候多數的手法合規的業者有時候會被受到波及個別徵組的部分個別徵組我之前也有講過就是要怎麼去徵 |
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要怎麼去監控這個也是有問題所以假如說全國統一處理的珍珠中心可能 |
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環境部跟農業部有一個共同的政策方向甄主中心是屬於農業部在主政那我們是處理這個廚餘委員你剛才說到的現在如果完全禁的話那當然大概有將近50%的廚餘會進到焚化爐那的確會造成我們現在很大的壓力那我們是希望是不是有一個落日有一個時間點然後把各個縣市的這個廚餘的處理量能夠拉起來所以這個部分方案還在討論當中 |
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都需要有一個落日的時間所以在這段時間裡面呢環境部這邊要怎麼降低需要燃燒的廚餘看是先乾燥處理還是怎麼樣減少空氣汙染 |
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對我們現在只能說第一個是一定要瀝水把水瀝掉瀝乾然後他在燒的時候然後那個焚化爐的操作他一定要溫度不能降低所以他有一定的操作的一個流程 |
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那目前我們看那個各個焚化爐操作是沒有什麼太大問題而且我們也找過專家還有焚化爐專家去討論大概可以10%的廚餘在焚化爐運作都沒有不會產生大躍興的問題但是我們還是會未來這一個月會叫他們再額外再測一次大躍興可是假如只有一層可以進入焚化爐那其他的呢 |
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我現在大概有四成八進到焚化爐其他的話可能是堆肥或是生殖能等等反正就是必須要在就是假如說廚餘的部分要進入焚化爐先前的把關還是很重要這個環境部可能要去落實這樣子的一個政策方向 |
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碳費的繳納呢明年就要上路我想要請問一下部長看看環境部這邊到底準備好了沒有因為我們大概明年5月就要就要實質繳納對不對對嘛那依照今年的排放量申請 |
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來申報繳納碳費呢大概環境部這邊規範的收費對象有有280億間公司500個工廠他們申報了嘛 |
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報告委員現在最新的數字是465個廠252家公司然後大概現在已經有430個廠提出自主減量計畫也就是說他不想要繳300塊他只要繳50或100那剩下大概35個廠他可能就在那個邊緣他只要繳一點點錢而已所以基本上目前我們來看的話因為他自己要提自主減量計畫他就要符合我們國家減碳的目標 |
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所以我是覺得碳費的制度在這次來說的話因為這樣的誘因反而是蠻不錯的一個結果 |
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部長我先說因為你來環境部也一年半了其實我對你的政策落實的能力是很肯定的所以也希望我們就是因為碳費的繳納就是已經要實施了嘛所以有一些相關的問題可以先行做規劃的要規劃出來 |
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大概第一年預估可以收入多少大概40億左右 40億好 那40億呢有40億的收入那這一些呢 就是這一些錢必須要挹注在溫室氣體管理的基金對不對 對然後專款專用 對你們現在有沒有 |
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有沒有就是以後收入要支出的方向有那部長就利用這個機會把他詳細的說一下大概有20億是最主要是要集中在減碳例如說有些減碳的技術或是說各個 |
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不管任何的單位不管是中央地方的單位假設提出一個可以有效的減碳的量我們就可以直接來補助給他研發的計畫大概20億左右雖然不多但是很有用那第二個呢是有一些綠色的這個項目可以一些銀行的融資我們可以補貼這個利息大概有幾億的附近那條市呢我們也編列了大概3到5億左右 |
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調適 因為氣候變略調適會越來越嚴重那目前這個部分會由我們這邊主動來編列那其他的部分呢包含了這個國際合作還有甚至我們環境部氣候署他本身的運作所以大概呢total大概是40億左右的預算 |
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所以就是大概是用來補助綠色融資然後地方政府的相關的就是他一定要提出一個實際上可以減碳的量那我們可以來卓越給他補助地方政府提還是一般的企業也可以 |
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我們還是以事業為主就是公司行號我們是鼓勵那個例如說他要減碳的 他要繳的碳費他如果要減的更多 我們就鼓勵補助給他一些希望他更積極的去減 |
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那這個的審核跟把關一定要很小心因為畢竟不是假如是給地方政府有的時候比較不會有產生很多問題那直接補助給民間企業的話這個部分可能相關的機制 |
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也要趕快去做一定的規劃我還是希望我們碳費收了還是可以用在減碳的部分剛剛部長的說明我覺得大概就是這樣子的方向應該是很不錯的好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |