| IVOD_ID |
165780 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165780 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-24T11:00:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-24T11:12:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f813cb5f76f78103a5d41cb355b69595408e1b0d34147d14ce48de7d8cd95b0d5f9ce4f0ed6650c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:25 - 11:12:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請環境部部長就「聯合國第30屆氣候峰會之後台灣氣候治理方向與如何提升台灣『氣候變遷績效指標』名次，落實2050淨零排放路徑策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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主席辛苦了謝謝主席那我請部長然後我們請原署長原署長辛苦了蘇偉維好部長我今天來問你比較實際的比較Practical的問題 |
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那你剛剛早上報 |
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說這幾年來 沒啦 這半年來啦古年的山左右颱風 近年又風頹風頹 雲加南丹洛斯啦 洋流啦 一個接一個然後這個都是非常嚴重好 下一張那我們有去考察我們嘉義的那幾個滯洪池啊新莊農場啊等等來 你看這個 |
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這就在現場用碎的機器搞一搞之後就上車就走了旁邊看到的全部都是各位看到這樣這樣不會大馬路旁邊這樣不會造成汙染那再來 |
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這些能源公司 像我們去看的那個溫啊 那個自動池六十幾公頃 到現在來 下一張 你看這個這今天已經有人搬過了 到十一月十八光電辦公室還泡在水裡面 寶丁你很辛苦啦袁世榮你也很辛苦 大家都很辛苦的但是我看你是不會這樣善後啦 不會這樣赤膠撐命啦 |
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這個地方一開始開發的公司什麼雲 什麼報 什麼泰商連那個泰國的MP Energy |
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這是一個做糖的公司做糖業的公司居然再來台灣做人家的二包我們的A廠商去套地去跟銀行拿錢搬錢出來開始蓋蓋完之後就把這個金銀就丟給B然後A就拍拍屁股 獲利了結就走人了 |
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然後這個也不是你環境部的事情嘛你也沒有辦法固定什麼現在這個美公司 它死了 輸到訪台了這就訪台了 迷迷茫茫這公司一間一間有交叉持股沒什麼 幾大堆啦 原金啦 泰商啦美國的外國的 英商 貝萊德啦 朝陽啦好 骨肉骨粟的幾大堆這裡都在轉來轉去那現在 |
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颱風吹了 這些騙子亂七八糟 到現在你給他花了三百萬 三百萬 三百萬他敢不敢他敢不敢 我很不省的 |
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保護委員我們總共實際上才罰了5次總共900萬那另外環保局那邊也罰了一次100萬所以有1000萬這一個他繳交的狀況是他們現在還在讓他這一個什麼那個溯源期間所以後續還是會要求 |
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他還可以掃蕩 掃蕩之後還可以行政訴訟要替你報告的就是屏東那裡 古泥 三座颱風古泥很多事情 三座颱風之後有幾個地方 光天堡也壞掉了 |
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派去之後呢 他就要申請補助嘛申請那個保養公司那產險公司 差不多大約都要賠一半啦那賠一半 另外一半他就要去貸款確實是他就要自己心底想清楚嘛那現在這美公司他現在扣到的 |
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把台電貼到的錢就是差不多去納銀行的平均利息償還差不多二十年嘛像我自己這個三年而已三年以後你現在一大片受傷那麼慘重他要再去銀行貸第二次款請問會有銀行貸給他嗎銀行會不會在笑啊不然你還要付錢啊 |
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沒有 這不是我的事你說我給你賠償 來 沒有算我的 有我的嘛這年齡 大家這麼貴的 第二天還要貸款給你沒有可能嘛 所以你說屏東那些地方一地方都要繳多少錢多少錢的 這他做了一年自己站在那裡 |
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這個B公司A公司就賺下去了我們也賺下去了 獲利了不起現在這個B公司就是客家維持我們四個現在出這個大方胎之後銀行如果還小小的在地上貸款 還在建資之後也是恢復到以前繼續發展對不對 沒錯這樣對不對對 這營運模式是這樣如果再一個方胎來現在方胎要來賺什麼現在這集團4號像你說的一年這麼多年 |
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整個環境部都在疲於奔命啊我看原署長好可憐的呢去一個出國策略處我命還要死啊現在回來之後每天就睡在房間裡每天就在房間裡灰頭土臉這樣拚到臉黏臉的這樣這樣也讓人害怕啊你們這個做得這樣太辛苦了 |
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這個公司如果要貸款 現在的銀行會貸給他 我說我來賺啦如果貸給他 銀行有價值 如果再一屆風災來 又叫受損那不就第三屆 那不可能的事情嘛所以就在擺爛 就在拼的那裡你突然間在那裡重新看 不斷地說 如果沒有都我來清 |
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人家說戴匯球場 你不要再整了戴匯球場了 糟糕糟糕了擺我們撤退 搞不好就丟在那邊搞什麼 搞什麼 我們大家在選民買單這個是很糟糕的事情耶不定 這要怎麼 你想要怎麼 |
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這個善後的解決是他們一定要按照法規來處理那目前的那個我知道有幾家那個圓心永興是那個他們想要想要這個再重新開始但是這個還要還慢慢長路 |
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434.32 |
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對啊 你只要說他們要第二天來認證 擔保評這個重複也比較有可能所以我看我自己單獨自己在做套路的人很失勢不是在親差公共的上上槓不然你行政會開發基金又給錢出不來不可能 |
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436.875 |
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451.091 |
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所以這一定要我們探索好 我問你33個案場這33個案場是幾個要復原幾個要搬房子去你知不知道那應該不是你的事啦這是能源署的事能源署 能源署今天再來 |
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451.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
477.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
沒有沒有 今天是我的業務報告不是能源署這不是能源署的 大家去看這三十三個地方後來又一個風太大 又多三十三個地方整個台灣都沒了所以我們這種極端氣候下我們台灣這種這麼脆弱的地形地貌我們有辦法承受這種嗎那這一次也是一個很大的教訓啊衛德都回來 將你們的COP 13 |
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495.423 |
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結論是什麼 結論就是漸漸的減少使用石化燃料然後再生能源要含有核能 很清楚的妥協也好 我看好像會場聽了一個半小時在說結論 |
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499.622 |
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509.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我們台灣現在 我們也不及格啊 你訓練一些歷齡的人 現在要來輔導你現在說實話 我們台灣現在歷齡的人 訓練一堆人這些人的訓練 我看三萬多個 你是要請幾個 |
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520.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
539.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
沒有啦沒有啦 委員那個是平均啦我們比平均薪資還多個5%左右啦對啦 有比較高啦不是4萬他那個要比較在公聽會啦說什麼請不請不待課老師請不人要做老師啦正當我老師還在找我頭腦現在不然要做待課老師薪水太多嘛你一天要發7萬 大家就要來了啦 對不對 |
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543.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
551.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們總統常常都在說我們的所得多關 主要關在台府那裡嫁這才是條件 你要把他拉遠一點不然這些孩子 讓你拉遠一點衝衝了之後 現在去到港中我是希望像那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
561.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
587.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
消防的顧問公司來給我們來給我們來給大家公司做輔導跟他們說你做要做要做要做要做要有種性質啦給你講要怎麼輔導不是說一間公司要請一間公司要怎麼請下去不然我講的有理嗎有啊有啊行政要幫他提高啊行政六七萬七八萬這樣就給大家這些孩子什麼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
589.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
596.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
CVAM 叫Carbon嘛Carbon這一類的那這個是國內實際的那將來你這個打算怎麼做訓練了多少人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
602.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
622.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
現在的需求的人就是兩萬多人但是需求就是現在在上面要的我們一年大概明年開今年大概會到兩千多人那明年會到三千五百人另外三千還是多了一千多人多了額外額外所以是兩千多到三千多你不知道五六年就沒了沒有沒有這個需求量應該還會更大還會更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
630.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
643.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這如果訓練所給每間公司的減碳、碳稅、碳費什麼整個都可以現在兩個國家都不見得支持一個是美國 一個是中國大陸這全世界都在想什麼這兩個國家 像川普說的那些笑的那些說的那些都死我都笑的就做死我這麼抗的你跟歐盟在那裡打架有沒有好 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
654.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
670.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
現在美國的美國是短暫的啦是那個一些可能是暫時的美國短暫 美國我看它會浮浪很久它還要久很久現在石化 岳岩油什麼都在弄啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
671.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
689.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我跟美國的Google跟很多ICT的公司有記名他們都很堅定的支持這些事情啦聯邦政府是比較沒有啦但是ICT產業都是很支持的所以我們這個路這樣走是對的是是沒問題啦沒問題啦訓練這些人將來有出路有可以輔導我們的工程有有謝謝有啦好謝謝 |