| IVOD_ID |
165777 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165777 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-24T10:46:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-24T10:53:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f813cb5f76f78103a1099a656157c1ca46adc14d631adda669bc65e346f37e4cadbe9fa3377f5b155ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:46:02 - 10:53:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國防部部長就「普發新版臺灣全民安全指引如何提升全民安全意識之政策效益評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另請行政院主計總處派員列席備詢。） |
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我有請國防部博副部長請國防部副部長劉部長先稍等我也好部長我先感謝昭偉今天安排這個小局書的檢討報告當危機來臨時其實讀了第一頁其實真的所有的問題都沒想過當沒有網路的時候當停電的時候 |
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當你們家要怎麼樣來面對這個問題的時候我想現在很多家庭都沒有想過那我想國防部做了這個手冊我想要問國防部的一個問題一個問題就好了請問我們對解放軍對中華人民共和國解放軍的認識有多少 |
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解放軍裡面有沒有針對這個網路攻擊部門的這個解放軍當然有當然有對不對好我講一些歐洲的狀況給國防部參考歐洲各國對俄羅斯的這個認知作戰其實態度越來越一致那也就是為什麼現在歐洲各國對於台灣會有這麼多關注的原因之一大家說俄羅斯戰 烏俄戰爭等等 |
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其實最重要的是他們也感同身受那最感同身受的是哪幾個國家我給你參考一下愛沙尼亞、拉脫維亞、立陶宛、波蘭這幾個國家其實是受害最深那你認為台灣台灣面對這個中國還有我剛講的這幾個國家面對俄羅斯哪一個受害會比較深哪一個感受會比較深抱怨你剛好問到我我這幾個國家都訪問過 |
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那這幾個國家之所以會請我去訪問的原因是因為他們邀請你去訪問對特別是以中華民國國防部部長的身份去訪問你可以去上網去看一下我在立陶宛跟NATO的軍官有500個我做演講對NATO是整個NATO沒有就是他會議就是他的那個資安會另外一個最近你也可以看到在某個國家 |
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我也在智庫裡面對所有的智庫哪一個國家你可以講出來嗎愛沙尼亞你看那個智庫裡面所有的就是被俄羅斯的假訊息被俄羅斯的網軍攻擊最嚴重的一個國家我演講的內容其實是結合了這個區域的假訊息你演講的重點是什麼我演講的重點是今天的這個地緣政治不分在這個俄羅斯的這種前緣像波羅地亞三個國家 |
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台灣也是面對了中國大陸所以他們在討論的時候他們有發現到今天立陶宛這些國家或是波蘭、芬蘭這些國家他們所面對的問題跟我們面對是一樣的他的在資安上的共通性事實上來講也有相同的所以在這個區塊上來講事實上來講為什麼現在歐洲他很多的團體到我們這邊來我們很多團體去那個地方 |
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那其實原因就是因為俄羅斯和中國大陸的威脅是跟地緣政治是齊息相關所以這一點我覺得是我們事實上必須要認真去看我們的未來其實我們去走了一趟歐洲之後我們也發現其實就算不是面對第一線的國家像瑞士 |
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他們也對這個訊息他們也對這個他們也開始考慮到這些開始非常重視那所以包含很多歐洲的國家都希望幾乎所有都是面對這個問題好 重點來了喔他們是面對一個俄羅斯我們現在好 現在日本的這個狀況出來了好 至少我們現在有日本跟我們一起原本我們是台灣獨自面對這個請問一下喔 |
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副部長這本夠嗎你剛剛講到這些是不是第一頁我們建議對於這些認知作戰對於剛剛劉部長有講到這個長輩們的這些資訊落差數位落差等等的我們要先教導他們是 |
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郭委員您所講的這些事情事實上來講一本冊子大家期待這麼高有這麼多意見就代表這個冊子非常重要那至於說是要戰爭了嗎不是啊我現在要這樣講歐洲要戰爭嗎沒有啊可是但是要不要注意要注意歐洲它本身來講它的很多的像我舉例來講很多玻利利海國家它每天都知道 |
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他告訴我們說其實敵人就在家門口了所以他在任何的作戰上面來講一本小冊子所代表的是提醒民眾要能夠注意自己的安全這是第一個第二個要能夠解決自己周邊人的安全這是第二個好副部長我再請問你一個問題有人在癥結我已經聽到兩個國民黨委員這樣講了為什麼總統簽名要討論 |
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總統防衛全台灣總統會全台灣提醒台灣人民要注意這些問題為什麼要討論什麼政治色彩啊這沒有政治色彩啊因為總統是三軍統帥他基本上來講我們國防部任何一個都是總統簽名那我們基本上來講這是全社會防衛任性那總統更應該要簽名啊因為是全社會防衛任性啊不是只有說國防部好 謝謝 副部長那我請劉部長 |
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謝謝部長我只有一個問題針對有國民黨的委員說大陸不是外國請問劉部長的看法大陸不是外國就非常訝異因為我們拿的我們拿的中華民國的不管是身份證或者是護照或者是其他的跟這個官方單位有關的都沒有包含中華人應該要反問這個國民黨的委員大陸不是外國請問中華民國是外國嗎那如果 |
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大陸不是外國中華人民共和國跟中華民國怎麼如果大陸地區不叫外國的話那等於是變相的承認台灣是中國的一部分因為現在全世界都認知到中國是指中華人民共和國我想其實為了選舉那有國民黨的委員包含民眾黨的委員可能會做出這個提案其實他們只是想要拿到這些選票但是他們忘了 |
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最重要的忘了中華民國忘了大陸是我們的敵對勢力忘了大陸一天到晚都想要整病吞我們是我們的國家現在就是中華民國所以我們無論怎麼樣要保全中華民國的最大利益包括主權主權不能讓渡也不能被解釋為是中國的一部分所以在這邊我要請部長對於國際法這一段我們要堅決捍衛是好謝謝 |