| IVOD_ID |
165775 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165775 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-24T10:24:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-24T10:37:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f813cb5f76f78103d4ea19e7952d646346adc14d631adda669bc65e346f37e4c5298a28bd9a4829e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:38 - 10:37:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國防部部長就「普發新版臺灣全民安全指引如何提升全民安全意識之政策效益評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另請行政院主計總處派員列席備詢。） |
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主席好有請國防部還有組織總署請國防部還有組織總署 |
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副部長還有那個請教一下我們就是國防部這一次印了1100萬本的台灣全民安全指引總經費是6447萬其中印製的費用是4279萬是動資 |
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第二预备金要纸本的普发明年1月5日前发到每一户可是我们要先请教的第二预备金依法应该是急迫或不可意见的支出而这本手册多数内容就是把各部会多年的宣传资料拼在一起 |
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還加上許多口號與宣示花了6000多萬卻不見得能在危急的時間用上場這才是我們重點質疑的所以這個全民安全指引補發計畫是不是在10月23日已經通過行政院核定 |
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但是現在呢你都知道事先規劃的可預見的政策為什麼還要用動用不可預見的急迫需要的第二預備金這個是我們質疑的是報委員我想我們事實上在前面在做的時候發五千本的時候呢那個時候我們發現到這個發完以後事實上很多的像 |
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風災、艷澀湖事件都發生了那我們就感覺到說在這個急迫性上來講尤其是我們可以看到這一次花蓮事件如果說我們有這個全民安全手冊的話那事實上來講在平時多做準備比如說他知道如何去疏散 |
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或避難或者是聽廣播或者是說他能夠接受到這樣子的一個資訊的話我想這都是我們在先前印5000本以後我們發現到不足的地方所以我們用急迫性在年度預算不可以支應的情況下依照預算法第70條我們來申請第二預備金來支應 |
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急迫性很有用是這樣子嗎所以你們很好用所以不用監督很好用對是的所以呢這一次就是總費用明明超過6千萬卻拆分成3塊印製 |
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4000多萬印製的4000多萬地方的作業的話就1900多萬還有就是郵寄就是180多萬所以剛好每一塊很好用所以呢就落在5000萬被查的門檻下所以請教這樣子的分折是不是刻意 |
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規避就是我們的就是立法院的監督所以我們才要想要請教的部分因為依規定第二一杯精動之超過五千萬因送立院被查這樣的切割處理真的符合監督精神嗎還是從國庫直接到黨庫就可以你們隨便用 |
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我們想要了解的完全不是您所講的這樣子說什麼黨我們還在預算法第70條來編列預算對啊你們編列預算就是在五千萬以下讓我們沒辦法去查因為這個政策從9月16號就公佈了 |
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11月開始發送 明年1月5日要發完整個時程明確的規定緊迫性在哪裡不可意見在哪裡這筆經費為什麼不能提早在年度預算編列呢 |
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鮑威您指導非常好可是我要跟您報告這個事實上來講我們可以看到映射服事件是一個很嚴重的事件對全國都造成很大的震撼那我們之所以有急迫性為什麼要分這個區塊在這麼短的時間就是希望這本手冊盡早到我們全民的手上 |
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所以剛才你說因為這件事情這本手冊很有用嘛對不對所以我看到這本手冊就變成宣傳手冊了不像是生存指南整個手冊你看啊這宣傳就是拼湊在一起的沒有明確的章節也沒有 |
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SOP也沒有深入講解防災緊急應變都是講得很籠統更多偏扶在就是精神還有理念請教這樣子的內容實際上的指南意義在危機來臨的時候民眾翻開手冊真的知道怎麼做嗎報告員我跟您報告這個是這一頁最緊急的在哪裡 |
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報告委員我要跟您報告這裡面手冊先是一個指引的大綱那所有的內容我們都用QR Code因為它的內容太大太廣所以少QR Code比如說我剛才舉例來講避難設施全國的避難設施非常的多那我不可能一列在這裡面好所以你說這樣子我們要一列在裡面內容設計跟得蠻荒謬的 |
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緊急通報電話在夜內誰要去翻再來就是庇護的所查的方式就是設計就給誰看的還有誰在炸彈掉下來的時候還慢慢翻嗎沒有目錄啊整本沒有目錄更誇張的你說要下載下載呢我們還要緊急的怎麼去下載下載裡面還要找 |
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地圖在哪裡不是下載就馬上看到了還要下載還要寫很多像我們長輩你叫他說下載他都不會了還要下載很困難還有沒有緊急看到的避難的地圖手冊裡面還有 |
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請我們的民眾呢要寫下三個跟家人約定緊急會合的地點在手冊裡面寫還要想請問你你平常跟你的家人聯絡 |
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都写在手册里面吗现在科技化了对不对所以呢所以这个就是应酬的嘛我们看到手册里面就是防灾用的不是消耗预算用的我们没有看到的效果但是你说的效果我们就是没有看到啊 |
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平常就要準備所以這個為什麼說做一個平常的指引如果說沒有一個正確的概念如何在災變來臨的時候去做正確的防範另外我們所謂的不管緊急設施也好緊急聯絡也好都是一種方式為所做的任何的建議 |
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我認為都可以作為我們日後參考但是這本手冊的利益就是希望全民安全全民能夠有準備才安全我想這是我們今天在急迫性上來講也是結合了全球的這種複合式災難發生必須要做的事情我想這是一個很好的一個全民的一個大家認識一個防災的概念方式安全在哪裡要貼在這裡安全貼在這裡安全貼在這裡你每天拿這一本出門 |
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報告委員 這個就是平常要教育所以你說平常教育這一本手冊教育你們也說長輩沒辦法下載平常教育 但是誰拿這一本剛才我們委員說自大一點自大一點 拿一個包包很大的放下去 把它拿出來所以再說你們的多元版本還有離線的工具裡面你們說怕長輩不會上網 |
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沒有比這本手冊更有用的東西嗎還有我們全國現在新住民還有外籍人士在台灣超過百萬人但是為什麼裡面只有印尼版沒有其他版本這兩百萬人的生命不重要嗎什麼時候上線還有我們在手冊裡面在看到的就是 |
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兒少的防護第24頁裡面家長和孩子討論戰爭結果完全叫家長怎麼樣保護孩子都沒有只講的是戰爭時發生的怎麼樣逃跑也沒有 |
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怎麼避難的 也沒有 怎麼備藥 結果整個章程裡面都是討論侵落 還有到底防疫交易怎麼樣 只有意識形態請問一下這段的內容的 水省的 審查人員有沒有消防或者醫療緊急的急救的 或者是資訊供電水電的專業來去審查 |
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還有說官員你們就是走個形式就好不是不是不是如果有的話你們就是要把這些的名單誰的意見誰審的誰簽核的誰負責的內容給我們報告這個絕對不是 |
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今天國安部單獨做出來的而是經過專家學者跨部會的大家長時間的討論做出來的但是我們沒有看到緊迫性還有持久性沒有達到我們真的想要的社會對我們指教我們也聽到了如果說有不足的地方我們會在未來如果大家的需求是這麼的強烈就跟委員所講的那麼強烈那我們希望下一個版本馬上就出來 |
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因為這個的確是一個非常好的如果私商就是我們國防部這麼說在說因為時間有限我再強調我們支持防災備戰但是我們反對的是花錢卻用不上派不上用場還有沒有花錢花在刀口上這本花了六千多萬台灣全民安全指引內容就是 |
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就是拼湊還有資訊殘缺還有混亂的就是還有混雜的一些什麼政治口號防空避難地點要民眾自己花自己看重點電話藏在裡面要自己寫集合地點 |
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這樣到底是哪一年的做法 更離譜的是因為經費裡面還要動用第二一倍金 我們質疑就是拆帳就是沒有讓我們去查 這非常不合理所以我有幾點要求 政府要做提升全民防衛任性 但任性不是靠這本書而已而是人民在危難時刻 |
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避難的時候能行動資訊要夠還有方向要明確所以現在這本我們沒有看到所以我們希望剛才我們的副部長說你們要重新再用所以我再要求兩個三個手冊裡面要 |
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編列 預算 動資的審查制度 第一個第二個 手冊的存在必要性與修正的措施第三 未來所有全民防衛的交易的專業審核標準 |
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於公開程序 人民需要的是可以救命的資訊而不是浪費六千萬的政治文宣請國防部一必在就是一週內向我們的國會還有我們的人民提出最負責最有效的手冊 可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想這個手冊事實上它就是非常有用絕對沒有說浪費公帑也絕對會發在刀口上我希望大家能夠重視這個手冊就跟委員重視拿這本手冊再來發經驗委員也是重視所以才可以跟我們說經驗告訴我們真的我們看到真的是來源謝謝 希望你在一周內提出是 謝謝委員 |