| IVOD_ID |
16573 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16573 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T14:10:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:39:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd9b2e70173c67771b445fc32f41448fc06e2c503bbdfdf4b60aaa0bbc2d3b48575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「如何推動國際旅客來台觀光」及「提升國際機場量能與服務品質及增闢國際線航點航班之作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。
三、審查人民請願文書共12案。
【報告事項第(十二)案及第(十八)案如經院會復議，則不予處理】
【4月9日及10日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:16 - 14:10:00 |
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四 第一案審查結果一 修正應經核准制電信管制設平器材及電信管制設平器材製造輸入及申報作業管理辦法案一 均同意被查二 審談完均一立法院諮詢刑事法第六十二條第二項規定明據審查報告報請院會審查院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時有林昭及委員國懲補充說明二 修正電信管理業務規費收費標準 |
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第十四條條文案一本案新增至致用第二級電信管制設平器材輸入核准審查費不予被查請國家通訊傳播委員會予以更正其餘部分同意被查二通過決議議案一項三本案審查完均依立法院資權刑死法第六十二條第一項規定拟據審查報告連同通過之決議案提報院會討論通知國家通訊傳播委員會新增至 |
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致用第二級電信管制、色屏器材輸入、核准、審查肺部與被查情緒更正其餘部分同意被查,院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由林昭吉委員國層補充說明五、第二案令定期繼續審查散會宣布完畢 |
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謝謝 先介紹我們列席人員我們陳世凱部長我們的韓振華市長我們會計處張新一處長公共運輸及監理司林福山市長 |
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觀光署周永輝署長民航局何淑萍局長陶基楊維福董事長港務公司李賢義董事長華航高興黃董事長移民署 |
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嚴齊龍副大隊長組織總署李正道課長工程會徐偉俊專貿委員道場委員還有我們的洪孟楷委員 |
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本次會議進行如何推動國際旅客來臺觀光及提升國際機場量能與服務品質及增幣國際線航班之作為之專題報告我們先請部長報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今天應邀至貴委員會就如何推動國際旅客來台觀光以及提升國際機場量能與服務品質及增幣國際航點航班之作為進行專案報告並聆聽各位委員指教深感榮幸 |
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近年隨疫情後國境解封觀光市場逐步復甦112年國際旅客來台人數已經突破600萬人次113年達到了785萬人次呈現穩定成長的趨勢因應來台旅客市場的需求回暖本部將請觀光署持續透過主要市場強化品牌行銷 |
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強化合作推廣主題郵程強化海外據點之服務量能等三大策略吸引國際旅客來台觀光同時也積極強化國際合作爭取簽證便利措施以及利用航線航點增加來吸引國際旅客來台 |
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國際空運市場也因為疫後穩定的復甦我國各機場國際航線包含了兩岸航線以及轉機的客運量在113年已經達到了5356萬人次恢復到疫情之前也就是108年的接近90%目前國際航線每週的飛航航班有2800 |
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48航班恢復至疫情之前的96%如果扣除掉兩岸的航線已經超過了疫情之前的水準為了強化國家的競爭力並且支持觀光與產業的發展本部請民航局、淘機公司持續透過提升國際機場量能提升國際機場服務品質 |
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增幣國際航線、航點、航班等等的策略提供國人以及旅客更優質的航空運輸服務以下將請本部的觀光署州署長、民航局核局長分別就如何推動國際旅客來台觀光提升國際機場量能與服務品質及增幣國際線、航點、航班之作為向各位委員提出報告 |
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另外有關於本部主管113年度附屬單位預算解凍項目提出報告共48案的部分 |
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本部前已將相關的報告函報大院並說明上開各項預算均是配合本部業務推動在案其中桃園機場第三航站區旅客運輸系統工程採購招標過程一案接續將由桃機公司楊董事長向各位委員提出報告以及說明敬請各位委員指教謝謝 |
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請趙所長主席各位委員各位女士先生請接續部長在貴委員會的引言報告裡面針對如何推動國際旅客來臺觀光進行專題重點說明如下敬請各位委員視覺 |
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回顧113年來臺旅客人數相較於112年成長21.13%那麼主要是在這個第一季那麼第一季的部分我們成長了184 |
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百分之一百八十四那麼第二季跟第三季受到花零四零三花蓮地震及接續的風災等等因素影響那我們在第四季呢這個分別加大力道那麼並全面啟動各項的宣傳計畫推出各項的促銷活動此一加大稀客力道呢確實也有成效 |
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今年在移民署已經先公布的114年1月來台旅客651,000人次較去年113年同期增加10.36% |
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那麼本署、光屋署呢依據移民署的資料來推估那麼在第一季那麼114年的第一季呢來台旅客那麼突破了210萬人次相較於113年統計成長3% |
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目前台灣的觀光市場持續擴展那麼針對第二季第三季第四季的影客來台觀光的政策策略方面有三大策略報告如下 |
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第一主要市場必須要強化品牌行銷因此我們結合台灣觀光新品牌推動第一波第二波第三波三波的這些國際的這個全球影客那麼也持續台灣觀光形象代言人的推動 |
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那麼也活用了HG動畫漫畫電子遊戲管道擴大行銷宣傳效果同時持續投放並運用大型廣告聚焦重點主題例如新秘境新景點新活動鏈結台灣旅遊產品 |
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第二強化推廣主題旅遊之合作機制積極結合各部會資源持續與各機關強化合作推廣體育休閒醫療生態高端主題遊程並與台灣港務公司與民航各單位全力推動郵輪與空海聯應的旅遊Flight Cruise並與經濟部的國貿組合作會展 |
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旅遊獎助MICE那麼也包括了順道旅遊配合國際旅遊的趨勢我們在永續環保的議題全力推動也獲得了百大全球百大旅遊目的地的七項那麼我們也結合今年度的世界壯年運動會世界賞鳥博覽會世界露營大會在台舉辦展現臺灣舉辦大型賽會活動的能量 |
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114年115年116年我們會持續三年以北回歸線北回之巔那麼在台灣為旅遊主軸那麼同時持續參與以及舉辦國際會議包括台日觀光高峰會台韓觀光交流會以及台越觀光會議那第三強化海外據點之能量這也是剛剛部長特別提示的重點我們除了海外的 |
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多元市場的開拓仍然是以重點10國日本韓國新加坡馬來西亞泰國菲律賓越南以及雙印的印尼跟印度再加上澳洲那麼在 |
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歐洲的部分我們全面佈局那麼除了英國跟德國之外我們在2024也就是113年法國巴黎成立了TTIC也就是我們的臺灣觀光的遊客服務中心那麼今年會在河南阿姆斯特丹明年會在義大利的羅馬來設置TTIC |
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此外 觀光署另外在推動國際旅客來台策略方面有兩大重點工作其一 積極推動爭取簽證便利措施其二 利用航線航點的增加積極迎客這個部分 剛剛部長也特別做說明那麼在新南向的簽證簡便措施方面 |
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我們除了以獲行政院同意展延了菲律賓跟汶萊跟泰國的免簽到今年的7月31號之外那麼我們也結合了相關的官紅專案那麼行政院同意到今年的年底持續優化申請機制 |
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那麼在持續爭取 增開航班航線的部分其實我們也積極跟民航單位做一些合作加強市場的重點影刻包括西雅圖 北美市場的西雅圖那麼現在的航班以及直飛的部分已經達了每週46班 |
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還有也感謝民航局在3月5號上個月已經完成了台灣跟義大利的空運服務協定的簽署那麼擴增往返歐洲客運容量與航點等期望更密集綿密的航往提升北美及歐洲市場旅客來台的便利性 |
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至於今日大家所關切的美國高關稅政策的措施衝擊國安署責務旁帶會持續高度關注觀察及因應以上報告敬請各位委員支持視教謝謝謝謝我們請民航局 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生陳蒙剛剛部長的引言報告以下警究提升國際機場量能服務品質增幣國際航線航班提出摘要報告那我國就樞紐機場跟區域機場包含桃園高雄台中松山四座機場那地方核心機場就是以飛航包機國際包機為主 |
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那113年全年的話 國際跟國內線的運量大概是5356萬人次 已經恢復到疫情前的90%那在整個機場的量能提升呢 我們民航局跟淘機公司呢 那積極在推動相關的建設那淘機的部分已經積極在辦理第三航站區的建設跟第三跑道跟基礎 |
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設施的施工工程的建設那高雄機場的部分針對國際航廈的擴改建已經規劃分兩期建設那目前正在辦理西部設計當中那台中的國際機場呢在今年中旬呢今年六月應該會完成的新建華行道跟停機坪的工程那也目前在積極辦理2045年的整體規劃的招標作業 |
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那屆時也會研議第三航廈的最適的建設方案那松山機場部分在課陣積極推動國際航廈的耐震補強的裝修跟設施工程那也推動跑滑道的道面維護那對於其他飛航國際包機的機場民航局也定期辦理相關設備的維護跟汰換更新那有關金門跟台東的跑道的整建還有包含航 |
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嘉義航廈的一個改建工程那推動整個國際機場的服務品質部分呢那桃園國際機場的部分因應客運量的攀升持續滾動評估第一航廈跟第二航廈的營運占比平衡安排航廈間的運量那也會運用 |
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預報分析資料作為開設報導櫃台跟分配人力的參考來優化整個報導櫃台的使用效率那也會分析整個航班的預報人數然後透過資訊平台請各單位預作人力的安排 |
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然後來優化人力動線的管制也會逐步來推動各項軟液體的改善措施那針對高雄台中松山等飛航及飛航國際包機的機場呢各機場我們會依據民航局會依據旅客成長的規模需求導入各項先進的設備然後便捷報到通關那在今年六月以前呢有關松山台中都會完成第四代那高雄市已經在三月就完成第四代的通關系統 |
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那有關整個機場的航廈的一個多元服務呢我們也各機場也積極調整相關空間那高雄目前已經調整空間在辦理招送中來引進多元的商業服務那相關機場也會致力打造通話跟友善搭機服務那台中機場也增加航廈的座位後 |
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後機使用的座椅以及包含這個旅遊服務櫃台提供預約機場到市區的一個專用接駁的服務來優化公共的服務設施那在相關機場的未來對於整個機場我們也會朝智慧化機場的方式來推動那高雄的新航廈建設未來將以取得智慧建築標章的黃基級認證那台中跟松山在設施維護跟巡檢方面已經推動了智慧化的相關部分 |
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那針對整個國際航線航班的部分呢那今年2月3月我們已經分別跟芬蘭跟義大利來簽署通航協定那目前整個包含了57個已經完成了57個已經合計有285條的航線那後續我們也會來積極推動相關的航權推動然後來擴展以利航空公司新增航班的一個營運空間 |
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那有關整個國際航班的部分來講的話成長的情形已經恢復到疫情的96%那目前以東北亞跟東南亞美加歐洲中東大概成長幅度從7%到79%那紐澳港澳兩岸在恢復中那整體的今年的一二月的運量叫108年同期大概恢復到99%那淘機的部分呢今年夏季 |
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班表的部分會新增4個航點分別是大分彌子還有神戶跟薄荷島還有9月會新增阿布達比的航點那12月大概也是恢復到同期的99%那高雄機場呢目前下季班表是飛航33個航點那國際26個航點已經較疫情前增加了5個航點 |
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那整個航班每週是365班已經幾乎達到疫情前的368班那整個夏季班表會新增三個航點就是重慶、芽莊跟濟州那虎航的部分我們也會以開闢先台航線然後為目標那整個一二月的較同期來講為87萬人次較疫情前大概恢復到94%那台中機場飛航11個航點國際航線是10個航點較疫情前增加4個航點 |
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每週大概飛航104班已經恢復到疫情前的94%那預計在4月也會新增這個新宇的神戶航線那虎航也會持續來恢復名古屋航線還有新闢濟州那越竹也會在6月開闢亞莊航線那屆時台中機場應該可以達到14個航點 |
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那今年的一二月叫疫情前呢今年的一二月已經客運量26萬人次已經達到超過疫情前的23萬人次成長17%那松山機場是飛航的日本與田津埔兩岸等九個航點那目前叫疫情前恢復91 |
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那地方的核心機場就是花蓮從去年年底已經飛香港第七航班每週四班到目前那金統計還有其他機場的1到9月目前規劃會飛航40個國際包機那今年3月底會執行8架次那民航局會積極來拓展航權跟協助航空公司來整合相關機場跟競爭優勢持續評估開闢航線的可能 |
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那相關議題設施也會會同淘氣公司來持續優化通關的流程後期空間提供多元友善的搭機環境那以上敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝我們現在其他的就書面報告就好我們先確認義思路請問各位委員對義思路有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見那我們依事錄確定那現在處理報告四項兩個解凍案先予以說明原列46案中的第12案及第18案因上與附議期間不予處理本項亦成就處理其餘44案請議事人員宣讀其餘44案的解凍書面報告 |
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個案排序順宜宣讀完畢後依113年度中央政府總預算案決議書面報告已送達均予以備查提報院會議事人員宣讀 |
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3412.058 |
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報告四項二處理一百一三年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案G44案一至四為交通部函檢送中華郵政部份有限公司一決議第一項預算凍結十分之一案二決議第二項預算凍結一千萬元案三 |
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決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案四決議第四項預算凍結一億元案五至八為交通部含送國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司五決議第一項預算凍結一億元案六決議第二項預算凍結十分之一案七決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案八決議第四項預算凍結十分之一案九至十為交通部含減送 |
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台灣港務股份有限公司9.決議第一項預算凍結十分之一案10.決議第二項預算凍結兩千萬元案11.決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案 |
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十二至十六為交通部函減送桃園國際機場股份有限公司十二決議第一項預算凍結兩千五百萬元案十三決議第二項預算凍結十分之一案十四新增決議第一項預算凍結二十分之一案十五新增決議第二項預算凍結五十萬元案十六新增決議第三項預算凍結兩千萬元案 |
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17至22為交通部函減送民航事業作業基金17決議第一項預算凍結兩千萬元案18決議第二項預算凍結五十萬元案19決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案20決議第四項預算凍結五十萬元案21 |
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決議第五項預算凍結五千萬元案二十二決議第六項預算凍結十分之一案二三至二十九違交通不函減送國道公路建設管理基金 |
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3531.392 |
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23 決議第12項 預算凍結十分之一案24 決議第13項 預算凍結十分之一案25 決議第14項 預算凍結十分之一案26 新增決議第3項 預算凍結二十分之三案27 新增決議第4項 預算凍結二十分之一案28 新增決議第5項 預算凍結二十分之一案 |
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二十九新增決議第六項預算凍結二十分之一案三十至三十二為交通部函減送鐵道發展基金三十決議第二十七項預算凍結三百萬元案三十一決議第二十八項預算凍結一百萬元案三十二新增決議第十四項預算凍結三百萬元案 |
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33至40為交通固含減送觀光發展基金33決議第36項預算凍結500萬元案34決議第37項預算凍結500萬元案35決議第38項預算凍結500萬元案 |
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36.決議第39項預算凍結200萬元案37.決議第40項預算凍結500萬元案38.決議第41項預算凍結500萬元案39.新增決議第19項預算凍結100萬元案40.新增決議第20項預算凍結300萬元案 |
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四十一至四十四為交通部函減送航港建設基金四十一決議第一項預算凍結五千萬元案四十二決議第二項預算凍結兩千萬元案四十三決議第三項預算凍結十分之一案四十四決議第四項預算凍結十分之一案宣讀完畢 |
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現在進行詢答先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點半截止 |
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各委員如果有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便醫事人員會診暫定10點半休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息現在請登記第一位洪孟愷委員發言 |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長那另外相關的同仁如果有問到業務也請直接上來好 先請部長 |
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好 部長委員長今天洋洋灑灑非常多的一個業務喔但是我想一個一個來我今天總共分三個部分一個是機場的管理一個是國旅的狀況還有我們世界遊客的一個吸引首先第一我不知道 |
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部長我們兩三個禮拜前也去參訪陶基然後也看了第三航廈的一個工程那我們也認為重大工程對於我們國家的發展絕對有正向的一個幫助那您知道2024年我們陶基的排名在全世界是第幾名 |
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六十幾 六十六那確實差強人意 為什麼因為2023年是82有進步但是不夠好因為我們最好的時候曾經到13名那請教現在有沒有掌握今年有可能往前或是往後的排名我想今年的部分排名應該是會往前啦你知道什麼時候會公佈嗎 |
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今天 朝偉排得非常好今天此時此刻馬德里4月9號當然有時差的問題可是在馬德里會公布今年的排名那我們想知道 |
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來沒關係資料問清楚一點再回答想知道就是說那我們目前掌握的狀況因為以往都跟我們推說是因為疫情的關係所以說我們的排名往後落後但全世界都受到疫情的影響是 報告委員那現在也已經恢復了我們也期待是好的排名我們去年比前年好那今年的排名也會比去年好 |
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3832.958 |
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但是詳細的這個數字我們要尊重這個主辦的單位由他們來公布這個部分我們不能講所以有信心會比去年再往前我們會比去年再更好我們都希望好還要更好那最好是要回復到我們最好的排名13名的時候甚至更超前可是我們現在看到桃園機場到第三航廈整個完成的時候佔多少的這個旅客運量 |
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3834.585 |
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3837.794 |
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一年4500萬那去年我們的旅客營量有多少 |
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4400多萬是所以換言之其實我們並沒有超前部署因為到目前你看啊現在的狀況一行下二行下加起來是3000多萬人口可是因為我們現在是爆量所以說到2027年年底才開始使用的這個第三行下即便是它完成那那個時候也跟我們現在的一個運量差不多 |
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那我們有什麼樣的辦法更加提升我們整體的服務一方面我們現在既有的行下它的效率的提升其實我們整體的這個運量可以再提升一些那另外就是我們在九月份或者是在今年年底之前我們的這個北郎廳也就是第三行下的北郎廳如果啟用的話其實它的整體的運量也可以再提升一些是啦 部長我剛剛已經跟你請教嘛你說當今天是你們的資料給我的資料嘛第三行下整個啟用之後 |
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上限是四千五百萬嘛是不是光是三行下OK光三行下就可以四千五百萬所以說整體的提升可以有更高是不是整體來說的話如果T1加T2加T3的話加起來是八千多萬所以預計沒有到八千多萬啦但預計就是會有更高的一個提升是必然好來 |
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那再來我想請教一下在國旅的一個部分其實連鎖反應也是我們現在有看到就是說整體的一個成本因為從去年年底開始就有跟環境部這邊有做一次性的備品是不能使用的 |
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是 對不對好 可是馬上就有民眾反應就說到目前為止我們明明已經講說不是說一次性備品不給使用而是說不應該主動的提供是 不主動提供對 可是可以用購買或是說用可以購買或者詢問的方式來 我們來看一下部長有沒有看到1月時候的新聞這個新政策上路之後其實很多的 |
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不管是我們的這些觀光客我們的一個相關人員就開始要講啊就說我只需要牙膏牙刷但是他告訴我們這一些有一些旅館告訴我們就是說他全套是要用販賣的那反而會造成更不環保的狀況來再看下一頁 |
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你說要花一百塊去買備品我想備品一百塊但是裡面會去全套所以反而他有一些東西他不需要反而沒有用到更不環保那甚至他做出來的結論就是說其實這根本就是省成本嘛變成變相的漲價飯店業者沒有準備這樣的一個物品然後變相的漲價給這個住客來去做一個使用再來 |
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不提供所以說甚至那個時候還傳出說沐浴乳也沒有提供後來證實是說要提供的是大容量的沐浴乳可是最後又有人講是說國旅反而是雪上加霜 |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
4038.735 |
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部長現在政策上路業已經三個多月了有沒有注意到這樣的狀況以及現在到底我們的飯店業者他們提供備品的一個狀況是什麼報告委員您剛剛所提到的沒有錯我們這個是配合環境部的政策所以整體的這個飯店必須要來配合那這三個月我們除了輔導我們的業者讓我們的旅客能夠更方便的取用之外 |
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那如果有遇到的所謂的您剛剛所提的那幾個亂象的部分我們也會盡量去輔導業者也跟業者去溝通怎麼樣讓民眾更便利的能夠取得到他需要的東西那另外就是說針對這個一百塊它是一整套的我想有可能是因為飯店業者他們如果還要再分批 |
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4077.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
來包裝的話對他們來講是可能人力上的成本會提高是人力上的成本所以他就是用整套的對他來說相對之方便他看起來他是整套他其實是散裝但是他看起來他是用整套來販售所以某種無形當中是一個變相的漲價部長環境部會推給說這個主管機關是我們觀光署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
4105.373 |
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是我們交通部 交通部現在又推給環境部但是我們現在要看的是 最重點在於是說我們不希望因為國旅大家過去最常被人家詬病 國旅是什麼問題價格嘛 房價太高嘛那現在在這樣子的一個政策上路之後又變成影響到人家 大家會覺得是說好像無形變價又漲價 |
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4108.024 |
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4125.666 |
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跟委員報告一下如果是個案的部分我們也很樂意大家告訴我們我們會個案來做處理那通案的部分其實我們也在這個邀請到目前為止我們掌握多少飯店他是如果說在櫃台或說他可以來提供只要有旅客有詢問是 |
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現在大概六都的部分大概都比較就是說已經那有關於非六都的部分我們也持續在關心那麼我們也跟工協會也正式行為給工協會那這些部分我們同步來做那當然也是呼籲我們只是說他索取的話如果有那當然要免費提供但是他如果比較精美的比較自己額外的希望有一個部分他是可以收費那這個部分我們已經通案去要求了 |
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主長這個部分是不是可以再給本席相關資料針對我們怎麼樣來跟旅館公會業者溝通那並且重點在於是不要讓消費者認為說我們的房價一直居高不下是來部長最後 |
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我們今年的觀光人口人數預計目標如果要說目標的話我去年有說過去年沒達成的我們今年來達成那也就是說去年所定的目標是1000萬我們今年盡量朝1000萬的目標有機會嗎第一季我們的觀光人口數有多少我們第一季已經到210萬210萬 |
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那如果說照這樣子的一個推估 比起去年成長了差不多3%左右是 我有看到你們的新聞稿但是第一季210萬我們剛剛報告的時候有講到美國關稅的問題全球性的一個衝擊有可能會造成 |
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相對應的很多產業都受到連結我們自己觀光業其實也有也很有可能會受到連結跟波動對不對因為如果說整體的一個經濟下滑或者是通貨膨脹甚至有無薪假還失業率的一個部分的話其實觀光也會受到影響有沒有算過我們在這一次的一個關稅因應 |
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報告委員我覺得這個部分關稅到現在大家都說影響非常大但是實際的影響到底有多少我相信各國到目前為止沒有一個數字所以它到底影響到什麼程度什麼層面我們現在只能觀察但你說現在要仔細計算出來說實在的台灣到底現在關稅是32%還是多少這個還沒有一個定數 |
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還有就是我們相關的一些政策要去做調整嘛來但是部長我不希望是我們的自我感覺良好是因為我沒有看到另外的一個資訊喔來下一張針對國際上的一個統計其實就亞洲國家來講2024年觀光客願意來亞洲玩那並且他來去做一個旅遊的時候其實台灣是倒數 |
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這確實這是很客觀的一個數字確實倒數那我們現在在看到你報告裡面也有提到我們也希望是說針對這一次的這個相關的一些活動這也是過去本席也一直提到就是說我們也要結合不要說只是單打獨鬥是相關的一個活動能夠來去亮點吸引更多的一個觀光客所以你這邊有提到說114年世界壯年運動會賞鳥波浪會露營大會等等在台灣舉辦 |
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那世界壯年運動會雙北舉辦也在一個月就要上場了有沒有掌握這一次世界壯年運動會我們會有多少的一個觀光客的人數我請署長目前的話是新北市跟台北市的觀傳局跟觀旅局啊我們保持密切聯繫那他們也希望能夠多一些能夠提前來 |
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來旅遊或者是延後回去我現在在問的是數字有沒有掌握能夠增加多少看部長這邊的微笑我想是說第一季的210萬可能對部長來講這個是一個最低的標準我們也希望逐步的提高第二季 第三季尤其是暑假的旺季還沒有到來但是一樣嘛 |
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你現在既然會列出來是說我們有相關的一個活動那就代表是說本席也期待你們應該是要更積極的來去做宣傳宣導甚至利用這樣的一個機會為期兩個禮拜的時間全世界的運動員都來到台灣的時候可以有增加更多的亮點甚至引導他們不只是在雙北地區是 |
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台中高雄台南花蓮台東也都可以去玩特別跟委員報告一下那現在掌握了多少我們針對這個壯年運動會的部分我們有跟新北市跟台北市有一個合作那他也有獎勵措施我們也有獎勵措施是那這個獎勵措施的部分不能重複特別跟委員報告一下所以預計 |
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但是實際的申請數還不明確那現在掌握了有多少觀光客會過來或是說飯店現在在居住那兩個禮拜的時間入住率我們有保持聯繫啦但是因為新北市跟台北市還沒有具體的數字告訴我們我們會持續跟他保持聯繫署長 副長 |
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我想這是你們的報告既然你們在提供給立法院講到說會以相關的主題宣傳並且來適逢相關的活動來去做推廣本席認同本席更希望看到說不是只是寫在紙上好看而是真真正正能夠利用機會借力使力搭順風車讓 |
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效益能夠出來這是為什麼我現在在請教還剩一個月不到照理講如果說你們認為這是真的很重要或說真的很可以協助宣傳的你們應該現在已經可以掌握了這一點 |
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我們宿外的16個處都有在幫忙行銷好 署長你剛剛講說你是不是可以再整理相關資料提供給本席那並且也提供給本席相關你們的成效預計推廣會因為這樣子有帶來什麼樣的一個效力可以嗎是好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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4499.667 |
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我們現在請李坤哲委員好 謝謝召委 請一下陳士凱部長 觀光署周署長請部長 署長 |
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4532.165 |
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部長應該是去年九月就任到現在也應該半年多了那有關於觀光發展是交通部重要的責任跟重要的工作但是我們來看整體的觀光的發展在這一年多來的一個狀況 |
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我們現在國旅逐漸恢復到疫情之前的水準那這個表現是算勉強及格當然還有很多的議題包括這個交通的路線房價過高等等他的這種觀光的品質還是必須要去做改進 |
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國際旅遊的部分我們的旅遊跟疫情之前來比較我認為表現我必須要很嚴肅的講表現是不及格的我們來看出國的旅客人次我們台灣的出國旅客人次如果2019跟2024來做比較現在出國的人數是越來越多也逐漸恢復到疫情之前 |
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之前的這個水準恢復到98.52的這樣的一個水準而且必須要注意年輕人出國的比例越來越高越來越不想在台灣國內旅遊那另外來台的旅客人次更是讓我們擔憂 |
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在2024年只有785萬2019年有1186萬的這樣的一個旅遊人士我們恢復的比例只有66.23 |
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部長這樣是不行的是來你有什麼想法你來半年多了對觀光的議題我知道你有在進行了解來你有什麼想法報告委員其實來台旅客的人次這幾年雖然都在增加但是我們復甦的速度實在是比起其他國家有些慢好那這個部分我們應該要再加強 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
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我覺得幾個點包含剛剛洪牧凱委員在質詢的內容就是說有一些國外的旅客要來亞洲的時候台灣不是首選甚至連前面幾名都排不到這個是我們要檢討的那也就是我們在國外的行銷剛剛委員有提到就是現在年輕人很喜歡出國 |
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那他出國的時候他心裡面一定有一個圖像哪個地方好玩他想去代表台灣現在在其他各國的年輕人或旅客的心裡面的那個圖像不夠明顯所以第一個我們的行銷的問題必須要解決那行銷我們的費用有開始漸漸在增加也有漸漸看到成效不過行銷的方式我們可以再檢討行銷的方式會不會是沒有剛好打中人心這個部分我們要去思考那第二個就是說 |
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包含剛剛所講的行銷我們在各國的服務據點在過去是不夠的那我們在這兩年其實也在各國的觀光服務據點也不斷在提升這個部分是很重要要處理第三其實更重要的是旅客來了台灣第一次之後會不會想第二次 |
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如果要讓他來第二次那品質就很重要台灣要好玩到品質夠好那這個部分牽扯到人才我們的人才夠不夠觀光的人才所以我們觀光研訓院會在今年年底會來成立觀光的人才這個是打底的工作我們必須把它打好讓國外的旅客來到台灣之後第一次還會有第二次甚至會帶其他的旅客來部長剛才提到有關於國外的旅客對於台灣的觀光印象到底是什麼 |
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4744.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我們有國際觀光宣傳的這個經費在觀光基金裡面有這種精準課員的開拓計畫今年應該編列了大概17億左右17億我們的觀光宣導有這麼多的經費但是我認為一直做得不好所有的觀光旅客 國際旅客以這個2024年觀光署自己的這個報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
國際旅客對台灣的公關印象是什麼就是101就是故宮就是像西門町信義商業區這些再加個淡水頂多再加上阿里山等等日月台他們的印象一直是這樣我們對於各地的宣導不足建立區域旅遊品牌的這種特色 |
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火力不夠做的也不好宣導也不夠然後這十幾年來一直要求觀光署針對除了這些觀光客既有的印象之外你應該去加強其他地區的區域的這個特色這個必須要去做改進另外我們來看一下我們以日本的經驗來說現在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4811.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
有很多人說我們希望特別的國家來支持台灣的旅遊就是說中國啦中國來我們的觀光業就能夠一飛沖天就能大幅的一個發展我們來看2024年各國國際旅客的統計日本3687萬人次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
它超越2019已經是創下歷史新高我們才66%韓國有1637萬人次是2019年的94%我們66%2024年到日本的中國旅客比2019年還要少少了260萬但是他們東亞跟歐美的旅客是大幅增加國際旅客創下歷史新高 |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
部長你要特別注意看2024年中國出國的人次統計它比2019年還要少874萬人次我們推動公共發展是要依靠良好的旅遊品質建立區域旅遊的特色台灣的特色 |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
然後不是依靠特定的國家不然簡單說明一下報告委員確實我們這幾年也在轉型當中我們在疫情之前跟現在相比的話中國的旅客減少200多萬人次但我們台灣最近以去年來講比起前年我們日本客增加了百分之四十幾韓國客也增加了百分之三四十尤其是歐美客歐美客我們增加百分之二十幾我們現在正在拓展中國以外的重要的旅客的區域 |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4917.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那這個部分其實在去年有一些斬獲不過我們還可以再加強這個部分確實是要好好的努力要向日本學習要向日本學習部長我們來看看我們觀光面臨什麼困境第一個觀光的同質性高缺乏特色魅力缺乏區域的景點品牌我們看台灣的老街 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4942.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
特色都差不多賣的東西也差不多我們的駱魚松你種我也種大家都在種櫻花也是你種我也種還有像什麼觀景台觀景高台你做我也做你有清水公園我也來弄個清水公園他沒有形成地方的這種區域旅遊的特色啦另外旅遊品質不佳 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
疫情期間我們的轉型跟改善做得不夠這個在當初疫情剛發生的時候我就一再督促以日本香港新加坡韓國他們的具體的長期的中長期的改善計畫我們沒有落實我們沒有做好另外數位運用資訊及交通的整合不佳這也是個問題宣傳與特色無法結合缺乏核心的客群 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
部長這種同質性高然後區域的特色無法建立你們有什麼具體的做法跟想法這個部分當然在疫情的過程當中應該是我們打底的好時機確實過去有幾年的時間該做沒做這個我們虛心檢討那我們現在要把整整體的旅遊品質要建立起來包含我們跟各地的商圈也要溝通大家有沒有各自的觀光的特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
4997.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4997.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
好 時間先暫停 |
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5028.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
5029.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
谢谢观看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
好希望大家都平安大家平安另外我們對於相關的觀光旅遊補助當然有效但不是長遠之計那我們應該以區域特色的這樣的一個建立來建立長期觀光發展的一個模式我們應該仿效日本的這種政策的白皮書 |
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| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
5084.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
召集地方的歷史文化或具有產業特色的自治團體或者是組織來結合當地的民眾以及中小微型的商家共同的參與共同的參與來建立地方參與的發展模式以地方特色為基礎來規劃觀光文化品牌的這種產業的經營策略來建立具有地方特色的觀光品牌 |
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二十多年前我去紐約的旅遊局參訪紐約的旅遊局啊他們市政府的旅遊局啊他們經費一半是 |
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這個觀光產業界出的錢一半是政府出的錢然後他們共同推出適合的旅遊局的局長人選來推動他們的一個旅遊要有產業界的參與我一直提醒署長還有部長要跟觀光產業界多對話了解困境來以及提供相關的建議讓他們知道政府的努力那 |
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國際的宣傳這個部分剛才我已經提過了希望你們去加強啊對於有效的這種你們的計畫都都寫的很清楚啊叫有效開拓客源的計畫但是看起來都無效啊花了17億18億然後國際旅客的印象還是固定就是西門町啦101啦龍山寺啦新的旅遊圖像應該要被建立啦 |
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各地的這樣的一個中南部的花東的都要納入這樣的一個觀光旅遊特色另外我們國際旅客減少啊當然花蓮的這個地震也是有影響尤其是日本跟韓國的旅客啊 |
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他們對於太魯閣修立的壯觀的景色是觀光的一大重點但是因為地震之後相關的這些日本、韓國的旅客來的意願就比較降低這也是我們國際觀光的一個問題那針對花蓮跟台東的旅遊 |
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那太魯閣這樣的一個特色啊當然需要生態的休養生息這是要一段時間的啦要一段時間我認為啊應該針對花東的旅遊啊應該要建立他新的區域旅遊的一個品牌是 |
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建立套裝新的套裝旅遊路線投注資源讓整體的台灣的觀光能夠整體串聯起來交通的問題啦這因為時間的關係那希望部長多加的督促我們對於觀光的 |
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成績國旅真的是勉強及格對於國際旅遊的這樣一個人次的成長緩慢停滯我們真的是非常的不滿意這個部長跟署長要全力的督促這個要努力好 謝謝委員好 謝謝我們請何新淳委員 |
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好 謝謝許昭偉 我們請陳部長請部長 |
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委員好 部長好平安 大家平安剛剛地震大家都平安我現在也期許我們國內產業界要平安因為最近歷經了美國宣布高關稅的大地震超級大地震我們中部地區的產業是被震到已經頭昏腦脹不知道該怎麼辦所以我就必須要來請教一下部長因為你來自中部 |
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我當然非常高興看到這個國際航空加大投資買新機啦要搶客源拼商機甚至這個預估未來的貨運甚至客運貨運都會增長但是我想請教部長有沒有跟我們國內包括華航今天也來到現場 |
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我們這個美國的這個宣布高關稅這當然第一衝擊的是我們的傳統的製造業中小企業還有一些高科技業那我們對於這個整個商業好不好我們對於這整個這個貨運量的投資會不會有影響 |
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我想對整體的經濟必然有影響那整體經濟會有影響那旅客的部分也一定會有影響貨運的部分因為今天的媒體有開始有在討論說這個美國高關稅對台灣這個國內的產業的衝擊那衝擊之後呢可能後續會影響到這個消費力那消費市場呢我們必須非常緊密的來注意那尤其呢旅遊市場是不管是國內國外的旅遊市場 |
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是消費市場裡面非常重要的一環那也跟今天的專案的報告的一個主題息息相關所以我會從這個國籍航空來切入說第一個我們國籍航空預估受到美國高關稅的這樣子一個政策影響到國內的產業那影響到國內的產業之後又連帶的這個影響到這個經濟 |
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那對於我們未來的預測這個我覺得要提醒要小心是導遊員這個部分我們會注意是第二個那旅遊的市場到底是會減緩或萎縮或者是會怎麼樣我也覺得這個第二個要特別小心因為這會牽涉到是我們的這個國內各項產業的一個生計 |
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還有呃員工權益還有我們呢對於剛剛大家在談的我們如何在這個危機裡面去面對喔那所以現在我才講說那我們華航的子公司虎航跟華信那華航總公司跟新宇跟其他的國際航空都在買飛機那我們的虎航跟華信有沒有 |
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報告委員目前我們華航當然也有購機的計畫我相信大家應該都知道包含空巴包含波音也都有那虎航的部分目前是有15架的飛機那目前在119年之前他會先汰換一批 |
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會到114年的下半年會增加兩架會到17架的飛機但是到了118年之後因為我們有汰換的問題所以還是回復到15架那華信目前是有12架的ATR最近我們也正在汰換當中汰換過程結束之後大概會增加到13架的飛機 |
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所以我希望是他能夠永續經營因為呢大家都會擔心啦擔心就是說我們現在這樣子的投資那未來的這個投報率或者是未來他增加的旅客的服務跟運量呢那是不是可以整體的帶動國內的我們國人觀光也好或者是商務旅遊等等這些的一些 |
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那我接下來就要問說為什麼我會談這些這兩個都只是一個引言最重要的是我們到底有沒有去盤點跟分析我們對於這個美國高關稅對國內交通觀光的衝擊我剛剛提到了還有呢我們呢這些的採購的這個心機到底能不能納入我們賴總統所說的五大策略的其中第一項擴大對美採購的一個品項清單 |
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報告委員其實我們對美像華航要買這個波音的飛機基本上就是增加對美採購那這個部分當然在數額上面其實也是蠻龐大的當然對於兩個國家之間的這個貿易的平衡絕對是有幫助的那這個計畫我們持續一直在做那剛剛委員有提到的對於交通跟觀光的衝擊目前還看不太出來不過以貨運來講的話我們大概到五月底之前的一些貨運量是有稍稍的往下降 |
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因為有一些廠商已經開始有觀望的動作對於這個關稅有觀望的動作所以有一些退倉的動作但比例跟幅度並不大還不大目前看起來並不大啦到五月底還不大但是要密切觀察對要密切觀察因為後面的影響這個無法預測沒有人知道那有可能會很大那所以這個部分我們當然會密切來觀察那因為購機的計畫通常都是需要一兩年的時間在規劃我知道是陸續的這個交集嘛 |
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所以其實我們不會曉得說現在會突然發生關稅的問題那我們還是照原定計畫在走還是照原定計畫在走所以高關稅政策對於我們購機的計畫第一個沒有多大影響但是有影響的是可能現在開始產業界的觀望的心態會造成我們的貨運 |
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可能越微下降但是我還是提醒保持密切的觀察我覺得這個是非常需要小心引引尤其委員剛剛所提到的觀光旅遊的部分對觀光旅遊的衝擊因為觀光旅遊是特別敏感對於景氣這件事特別敏感尤其以去年來觀察的話包含匯率的影響也會影響到大家的旅遊的意願那關稅如果造成整體經濟的狀況有下滑或者是有什麼影響的話我相信旅遊業我們會密切來關注 |
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是所以部長拜託密切觀察那我們該協助的要全力來協助那我為什麼這樣講除了我們要對旅遊這個要提升要協助之外對國際航空我們當然也大力支持那除了硬體的新機要買那還有人力的培育人才的培育那我知道我觀察到一個小點 |
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台灣虎航他在招考空服員的時候現在你們宣布這個虎航的基地是在高雄部長你也知道我們都是台中來的所以一直對這個台中沒有沒有相關的這個我們國際航空雖然新宇有宣布但是他是只有數沒多少量的這個飛機在那裡那我們虎航呢 |
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到底對台中機場的要不要納入他的重要的營運據點之一我一直很care我一直很care我當然也知道剛剛我們何局長在這個業務報告裡面有多說了一些對台中機場的一個營運的未來性當然我要特別感謝但是我覺得還不夠 |
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我覺得還不夠光是呢這個培育人才的這個部分我還是希望不管是虎航還是華信對於我們台中這個區域的均衡跟人才的培育的均衡這一點也一定要納入考量部長拜託可以嗎 |
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好 這個我們來努力 我看委員所提的這個簡報裡面華信航空招空服員錄取率不到1%啦那這個比例但是相當低那如果有機會的話 台中或許可以考慮一下因為你們的工作地點都是以高雄跟台北啊 |
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對台中來講我們覺得我一直很care就是如果沒有心機沒有人才那我們對台中機場的營運相對的就是好像感覺被弱化那我一直強調說北中南東裡面中部這個第一個腹地大第二個產業聚落多第三個 |
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它本來的這個整體的這個人口數是在成長的那以這樣子的一個大城市跟一個腹地大的一個中部區域來講我看不到我們航空業對我們台中的重視啦對 所以我們現在正在努力啦包含剛剛高董事長有提到說這個華信航空它的維修的 |
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總廠是在台中維修的總廠在台中但我覺得不只是維修啦其他的如果可以移動的話我們盡量來讓台中有一些發展的機會一定要給台中機場一個發展的機會包括上市部長去考察你也提到說對台中機場的一個擴建計畫我們何局長也承諾要來調整調整完之後我們真正的要 |
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好好的把這個擴建計畫能夠執行不要都永遠只在紙上談兵所以我希望能夠呢 盡速的來看到第一步開始那接著我為什麼要看到這個機場的問題是因為呢 如果第一步沒有做 第二步也沒做永遠都沒有第三步 那我們現在 |
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旅客量在回溫但是呢我們的周邊的機場的一個公共設施或是連外的交通都不變沒有辦法改善的情況之下那就會變成是惡性循環 |
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那我不希望是惡性尋往 我希望是正向的那如果是正向的 地方政府不想動 我們中央政府就要積極來動所以我也很感謝部長 上次考察完之後馬上有做了一個這個機場服務中心來解決對這個台中機場往市區的這個接駁跟旅遊服務但是我覺得不夠啊 |
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我最後30秒我跟部長講你也是在地人你知道嗎我們雖然地方有26條的公車路線經過台中機場但是從台中機場要往市區的公車裡面第一個班次少第二個每一個都是站站停我舉了三個例子三條線我舉了這三條線的例子第一條線從機場到高鐵站要經過20站第二條線 |
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機場到台中車站要32站第三條線呢從機場到台中車站要66站班次少站暫停沒有直達車雖然你會跟我說這個是地方政府的業務但是呢部長你提出了一個替代方案就是台灣好行的台中機場快捷線那現在進步進度咧 |
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因為您一直在關心所以當然觀光署也會進來幫忙那我們的民航局也很努力台中航站在今年的2月5號有拜會了這個交通局台中市政府的交通局那我們也開始籌劃台灣好行的這個車子讓他可以快速能夠抵達旅客需要到的地方我們預計希望在8月份能夠上路來營運 |
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可是目前 部長我不知道你這個資訊是從哪裡來的你們觀光署給我的書面資料裡面目前最新的協調進度是什麼是因為交通局面臨主改 尚無法確認實際的排程會議時間所以既然會議時間沒有辦法排程的話 |
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那他的這個一一四年的台灣好行新路線呢就暫時擱置我們不會讓他擱置啦他們是因為委員改聘的作業那在五六月份會進行審議那我們會督促他們而且我們跟台中市政府目前有密切在合作我們希望八月份能夠讓他上線我希望就如同部長你講的八月份能夠上線啦 |
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那班次的規劃還有收費的價格是比照一般的台灣好行的這樣的收費機制嗎因為我們觀光署有補助所以它的價格一定會比現在大家所搭乘的更便宜會更便宜喔會更便宜喔得水第一個八月上線第二個班次要固定穩定第三個收費會比我們預期的便宜最後一個要大力的宣傳 |
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好不好我們希望能夠讓台中機場的營運可以越來越好好不好那其他如果台中市政府不做我們以後讓我來請中央幫忙我們一起來做好不好我們一起努力謝謝委員謝謝我們請黃建豪委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請交到沐臣部長請部長 |
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來 部長一開始也在討論我們台中機場的問題如果是台中人要出國的話除了去台中機場之外我想目前很多人的選擇是到桃園搭乘飛機那他的路徑當然是出門搭高鐵然後從高鐵之後轉捷運然後才會到機場這是中部人的日常 |
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那你可以看一下我們我放了一個空拍圖可以看到說其實我們一直為什麼在想台中機場我們從周邊環境來看 |
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台北市的我們先扣除掉桃園這個機場因為它已經是台灣最大的國際機場了那我們看其他國際機場我們有幾個比較松山機場、小港機場跟台中機場的周邊環境為什麼要提這個空拍圖給你看你可以看到松山機場跟小港機場的周邊其實基本上因為早期開發比較早所以它的這個周邊的民房它的房子就基本上都蓋滿了所以沒有什麼腹地可能要再擴張可能會相對的比較辛苦一點是 |
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那如果台中機場的話我想台中機場這邊你可以看到他周邊其實他的這個腹地相對來講還是蠻寬闊的那我之前在總之選的時候也跟部長提到說我們希望這個對台中的中部地區的照顧能夠多一點我為什麼提這個比如說我用這個圖給你舉例就是講說以金額來講的話小港機場的部分 |
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我想你知道過去有南北雙空港大計畫為高雄機場投入了880億元改建計畫那台中機場目前正在執行台中機場多少10億不到10億的機場改善工程經費那有6.8億是做機場滑行道工程我想這個差異真的很大那如果說一直講說要增加觀光客要增加中部地區的交通流量等等 |
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從金額面上來看的話其實我覺得台中相對比較委屈一點不知道怎麼看待這個議題報告委員您所提到的那個十一應該是跑道的改建的部分那針對整體的機場我們也希望會蓋第三航廈我們在2045年之前有一個第三航廈的規劃那我們應該今年的五六月就會開始招標開始規劃這件事情 |
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所以未來台中機場有機會再擴建它成為真正的它一定要擴建那我們也有一個第三航廈的這個計畫希望未來能夠擴大整體的這個台中的這個機場的這個運量是今年開始規劃還是說這個計畫現在什麼進度我們的計畫現在正在招標中 |
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綜合規劃正在照標當中好OK 那我就希望說這個東西能夠盡快那再來可以看到說我們從這個數字上來講我想幾個航空站列表來講的話航空站等級台灣機場當然特等嘛這沒有疑問那松山機場是甲等然後高雄小港機場是甲等然後台中的這個機場是乙等那你可以看其實從這個跑道長度跟跑道寬度跟空橋數量的比較當然空橋數量的確確實這個台中機場稍微相對少一點跟松山機場相比的話 |
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那跑道長度的話你看我們台中信泉商機場的跑道長度是3659公尺那它的長度跟這個淘機相比其實相距不遠那在這個規劃上面你會覺得說其實台中機場以長度來講它反而也適合 |
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停大型的客機比起可能比起松山或比起小港我們停航大型客機的這個機率它的航道更長嘛所以在這個航空站等級的時候因為之前宣布它台中升為國際獎之後它的這個等級並沒有提升但我不知道到底問題是卡在哪裡它的優勢有這樣跑到優勢為什麼沒有機會來提升它的這個航空站等級報告委員因為您也在台中也很清楚千全崗它原本是一個軍機場而且到目前為止 |
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目前為止它還是很重要的一個軍機場所以它軍方的任務其實也還蠻繁重的所以在這個機場先天上有這個限制那另外針對跑道的部分雖然它的長度夠但它跑道的品質還沒有到達可以讓大量的這個大飛機來起降的部分所以這個品質的部分我們還要跟軍方來協調跟協商就整體的跑道長度是夠但品質還沒有到那個程度部長可以確認一下你說這個品質 |
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長度是夠嘛 那個品質要跟軍方來做相關的這個確認但是我想問一下以航空站 以民航機場這一段的這個台中機場這個跑道的品質等等的維護是由我們交通部是軍方是軍方負責 不是交通部負責對 那是軍方的跑道所以我們還要拜託我們還要拜託他們把我們跑道弄好一點對對對那這有機會把它這個 |
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我們會跟他們一起分擔經費大家一起來做啦但是那個機場大家一起來做到最後就沒有人做啦都是這樣子啦好不好但是那個機場報告委員到目前為止它還是很重要的軍機場是這個我清楚是整個中部地區很重要的一個軍機場所以它還是以軍用為主啦目前看起來是以軍用為主但是我現在講的是民航這一段啊今天基本上居民兩用嘛但是我們是用它的跑道啊那個跑道現在也沒有也沒有在飛有在飛戰鬥機嗎 |
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有啊 有啊 戰鬥機一直在飛抱歉 這個我不清楚我一直以為單純是民用機場在飛他不是把那個跑道儀交給我們不是 是我們一起在合用所以大部分時間其實是在飛軍機那我們有航班的時候來使用給民航這樣那所以要提升如果要提升台中機場的跑道的這個品質不是我們交通部負責的業務我們跟他們一起啦我們會跟他們一起討論那並且我們會分擔經費 |
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好部長謝謝部長這部分我這個我相對有點差異我一直以為這個民航民用機場的部分已經是歸交通部管了沒想到還要跟這個軍方來合作好那最後一點時間那這個屢次的問題因為就下一張屢次的問題因為不是再下一張 |
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屢次的問題因為現在提到說台中機場剛剛前面何委員也提到說其實現在就是公車的接駁那我們當然期待說所謂的局限能夠盡快的來有進度因為這個是機場捷運的部分那到底現在局限的狀況怎麼樣可以跟我們說明一下局限的延伸的部分已經納入可行性評估裡面這個在這個去年對 台中市政府已經把它納入了那這個部分其實交通部的部分就是照進度在進行我們也會加快速度來審議 |
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什麼時候有沒有什麼進度因為我們去年在送去年交通部審議的時候已經過了嘛那現在送行政院送行政院了嗎這個局限的部分資料有沒有 |
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這個部分委員我再查清楚再跟您報告好沒關係因為時間有限了那我們期待說因為台中的這個人口數也真的非常足夠他是中部最重要的城市那機場如果解決完了假設有機會你先說今天提出是綜合規劃 |
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那我想縱橫規劃裡面一定也包含了對外的交通的部分啦這應該是很重要的評估的重點所以我們當然期待說在縱橫規劃的這部分裡面也包含把機場捷運納入那機場捷運納入的前提當然是機場捷運要有進度嘛所以這部分我們再拜託交通部催促一下好不好好 那我先到這邊 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝林俊憲委員我們請林俊憲委員感謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長還有我們觀光署周署長 |
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其實我們觀光署在推鐵道觀光其實我看起來有一點成效而且應該會越來越好因為這是一個新型態的旅遊 |
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那台灣其實鐵道的歷史非常悠久那也有很多的鐵道迷那你現在玩這種鐵道我看有幾條路線開出來去年一年 |
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因為目前大概我覺得應該有破20萬人因為山南號就最後一個花蓮案池上我沒有寫上人數是這個統計數字還沒有給我所以大概一年已經有超過20萬人今年應該會更好吧今年一定會更好而且我看公共組很像有一個案子在主推鐵道旅遊節今年會推鐵道旅遊節那可不可以拜託推一下台南 |
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有啦 署長這裡鐵道啊這裡環島之星啊什麼明日號啦藍皮節優號 海豐號 福生號 三藍號沒有一條線有停台籃 |
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針對這種觀光列車的部分大概台鐵他們有一個一套計畫那但是如果說觀光的部分的話我們會唐鐵跟那個鹽鐵啊我覺得那個部分應該很有鐵道迷的因為台南是台灣鐵道文化的歷史重鎮是 包括那個車站也是很重要台南火車站是台灣最古老的火車站嘛那台南的鐵路啊就台鐵在台南一共有14個車站 |
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像後壁、新林、善化、永康、台南等等保安啦國定古蹟就是台南火車站台南車站市定古蹟就是剛那個保安車站那總經理嘛那歷史建築物就是後壁還有林奉迎車站 |
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那另外再加上一些支線好像台棠的五分車路線新營到柳營的八翁線後壁歐丘那的新港東線那麼多的鐵道觀光資源台鐵為什麼把台南挑過去報告委員我們了解台南地區周邊地區很多這個相關的文化觀光旅遊的一個豐富的資產 |
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所以我們明日號還有明日廚房跟我們的三藍海豐號每半年我們都會檢討行程都沒有檢討到台南什麼不停不要挑怪我的問題你知道我要問什麼嘛拜託一下輔導或者推廣推動一下保護員 |
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我們結合六七八月觀光署有一個鐵道旅遊節那台鐵這邊其實已經有規劃了就是明日號在六月份會走台南明日號可以停台南只有一條明日號 |
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後續我們還有山南海豐我們都會動態來做一個檢討會把台南地區把它納入你說什麼號 山南號山南跟海豐讓台南豐富的鐵道歷史我相信這個我們好好來推廣這個絕對有吸引力好不好而且台南還有唐鐵我們還有唐鐵啊就我剛剛跟部長分享所以整體的鐵道旅遊節也會結合唐鐵的部分 |
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湯田那五文車喔 你如果拍照多看台灣現在很少了啦台東那個五文車喔就像新娘到女娘的八王線啦另外歐城啦 後面歐城啦新港東線就非常有趣啦 好不好是不是請大家來結合一下打造我們台南的古都觀光列車裡面那個鐵道把它拉進來另外啊不是只有陸地的鐵道啦 |
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海上也一樣我們看一下我們台南的現在郵輪我已經在這邊喊話很多次了現在大概郵輪去年停靠台南的是零今年好像預估也是零那你國際郵輪不來就算了現在連國內的航線台南也是零為什麼會這樣 |
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在今年啦 今年有一個觀光會議這個不錯啦至少我們好像觀光署有召開一個全國的觀光會議嘛讓各縣市政府把他們的觀光的需求提出來這個我要肯定周署長我們去辦這樣的一個全國觀光大會上 台南市政府就特別提出國內的航線 是請觀光 |
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交通部來幫忙再恢復台南馬宮航線台南到馬宮委員在說是台南到馬宮的部分這個是台南市政府在觀光會議上我們請航港局來協助這個部分大家來溝通一下那目前是布袋布袋走馬宮這條航線是有的那我們來思考一下台南的部分怎麼來增加因為 |
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現在國際郵輪人數大概恢復到疫情前的85%了就是坐國際郵輪來台灣的旅客但國內航線的旅客數已經超越疫情之前了那台南都還零 |
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保護員其實我剛剛聽署長在說很像台南市政府也願意幫忙出一些錢讓我們一起結合起來來爭取這個行業因為他們希望能夠五六七的配合那個花火節所以他們希望能夠加大力道來把台南跟馬宮這個航線把它串起來我覺得這個計畫還不錯重要就是一個定期航線嘛 |
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另外港務公司去年也說過去國際郵輪展在推銷台灣的時候應該要把台南納進來 |
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尤其那個國際的那個大展 像那個邁阿密的遊輪展要積極去招商啦那你是有跟台南...各位報告邁阿密現在在 正在那個邁阿密遊輪展我們有派人去全球的遊輪展正在邁阿密那去 往年的話就是我們找那個民政世界啦有跟台南市政府談就是我們也推銷就是美食還有就是一些它的古蹟啦 |
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但是他們評估以後就沒有下文但是我們還持續在努力那今年的話我們大概五六月那個我們總經理他會到日本去希望能夠因為日本對台南這邊也有一些親切感希望能夠拉一些那我們所有的場戰我們都準備好 |
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好 這個基本上在這種行銷的推廣上那我們地方政府也需要中央的一個幫忙因為同時我們也看到說鄒書長前幾天有一個新聞就是公安署有統計到國內旅遊天數就國人啊國人在排國內旅遊的平均天數大概只有一點不到一天半那幾乎國內旅遊都是當天往返 |
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所以後來就說我們是不是應該要推動讓國人旅遊可以有留宿至少要住一個晚上那如何來推動我看這個問題很久但是都沒有人去碰觸有的人不願意再過夜是因為覺得第一他國人旅遊排的大部分都是假日 |
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當然在假日的時候在台灣國內旅遊偏偏假日的住宿那個金額都嚇死人比較貴 假日比較貴 平日其實蠻便宜的都很貴 很可怕的貴這些都是以倍數 甚至好幾倍這種不合理的一種狀態像這種狀況你不解決就會惡性循環 |
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大家就國內旅遊就一天就趕快解決就當天去當天回來那這樣就失去了國內旅遊推動它最重要的嘛你當然你在那邊住一晚你一定是多消費這必然那為什麼這個問題講了那麼久都沒辦法解決呢 |
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報告委員有沒有什麼方式台灣目前的交通的狀況尤其是高鐵大家很習慣搭之後很多人確實是習慣一日遊那一日遊已經佔了百分之七十幾的比例其實很高那我們觀光署也在努力希望大家能夠留宿那也就是我們未來辦的活動我們會希望盡量辦在晚上讓大家例如說我從台北到了台南 |
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那因為要參加活動是晚上你就一定會留宿嘛或者是像一些演唱會經濟也是這個概念它是晚上的活動那你必然要在那個都市裡面留宿一晚那我們會來調整這個活動的時間過去都是早上比較多那未來我們希望夜間的這個活動要多一些 |
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但是你那個臺灣住宿價格那麼高的問題這個確實也是個現象啊你不覺得嗎 署長是是是你不會覺得我們的價值是怎樣其實這個跟那個地價稅 房屋稅都有關係因為我們那個地方政府是不是啦 它是平日假日的價差啦對對 他們還是用平地價這跟什麼地價稅 你現在在說什麼啦 |
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假日的部分是比較高對因為他有一個大概我們算起來大概百分之三十啦當然就旅館業者說因為我平常通常沒人客啊沒有客人我請責就是禮拜五禮拜六啊但是有時候你就是殺雞取卵啊你價格標那麼高根本沒有人去啊那你不能太不合理啦這實際上有沒有那個價格定價 |
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確實有那個烘台價格的那個狀況還是要注意一下還是要補導業者對那個因為一般旅館他在掛牌上市那我再請教你有沒有因為價格太高到目前為止受處罰的案例 |
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他們都沒有超過他的標價他們都是用標價來降低來販售平日打折的折數比較多平日就是照標價平東就有個案例平常800後來賣了7000多10倍那個直接取締了我就是跟你說像這種狀況你還是要有一定的狀況那直接取締而且我們重罰平東縣政府直接重罰15萬 |
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如果國內旅遊都是一天一天玩法那國內觀光怎麼擠得來來送中去匆匆啊好不好謝謝部長謝謝蘇長謝謝等一下那個廖先祥委員講完休息十分鐘我們現在請魯明哲委員 |
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好 謝謝主席有請陳部長 交通部陳部長陳部長還有機場公司的楊董事長是吧嗯 楊董事長好這個在問觀光發展之前先請教一下 因為我們看了一下 |
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因為這個在從過年很多出國或者返國的很多好朋友都擠在機場這個進進出出delay非常久所以我們對於T3的一個進度我相信這個交通部跟行政院工程會 |
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我相信行政院也注意到那可是我們在看這個已經發包的這個跟即將的整個T3的一個整個工程有13項13項我們跟你們要最新的一個進度我們發現大概中間目前有6項進度 |
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是有落差的那各位看到已經發包的旅客空調系統比預計的進度慢了10.5%然後主體航廈基電工程慢了接近10%再來就是土電工程也慢了7.5%等等那我想直接先問一下董事長你們說明一下因為這個已經發包的這delay的主要的原因能不能把它趕得上預定的時程 |
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請董事長 |
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好 謝謝委員的關心13件的工程有一件完成有一件正在重新招標所以剩下大概11件工程那目前落後的就是表列裡面所看到的那主要會落後的原因裡面我們現在比較擔心的是主體行下的土建工程跟機電工程部分因為那是T3的一個主要的一個設施所在目前落後主要原因有兩個第一個是缺工的問題依然還存在 |
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目前正在積極的趕工當中主要的藏包商我們大概已經是好幾次跟他們做了一些比較實際上的一個盤點所以這些工作的進度目前還是以115年的年底完工為目標進度沒有改變那目前還有一個原因就是我們的修正計畫目前還在進行審議當中修正計畫通過以後會有一些調整那這些問題我們目前整體的趕工的一個目標都沒有改變還是希望如期在116年開始適應運 |
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好 這個部長跟楊董事長我想這個很多相關的新的工程有一些是假設還沒有完工但不影響到你主體航廈的啟動但有一些你沒有完工譬如機電新聞沒有完成你就其他全部蓋好你也不見得可以上路 |
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所以我覺得這樣的怎麼樣去協調各個工項工程能夠真的尤其重要的部分要加強趕工人力不夠的已經是幾年都是同樣的問題最後要問一下旅客PMS我覺得在交通部也好工程會還有機場公司在去年的12月19號終於決定了發函解約我個人認為是正確的我個人認為是做一個正確的階段 |
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那現在整個重新招標那這個過程中那部長你知不知道目前解約解約有沒有解乾淨啊還是藕斷絲連啊要打官司嗎我所知道廠商是對於這個違約金的部分還有一些那現在違約金怎麼樣好楊董事長你上來報告一下違約金談得怎麼樣是這件解約以後我們已經默默收到他的這個理業保證金 |
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另外就是到目前為止因為他的這個解約我們有一些損失大概有600多萬我們正式求償這兩個動作都已經執行尤其是李月寶徵簽的部分銀行已經把這一筆錢還到我們這個台電放到我們淘氣公司的帳戶裡面來那當然廠商他有他的看法所以按照採購法的程序目前他們提出了一些異議以後會按照行政的這些規定去做處理不過機場公司的立場還是一樣的 |
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好我相信未來不管在工程會的一個調解或者未來搞不好會走向法院當然要面對了那我想PMS這個整個重新的系統沒看到我們的公開閱覽要重新招標期間已經過了嘛公開閱覽結束了預計在5月份下個月會公開招標因為等標期金額的部分需要一些時間公開招標那 |
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6月份決標作業這是你們現在的一個規劃好那這個的部分你們我想請教一下就是正在跟你們打官司的那些解約的一個廠商會不會戴個面罩這個你要不要再過來後面又是他你知道嗎又是他這個機率大概多大這個老朋友又碰面了 |
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我個人的想法是不會有這種機會因為到目前為止我們從新公開招標的這個說明會的過程參加的這些有興趣的廠商其實是蠻多的那到目前為止我們知道已經有兩家廠商在備標當中不包括解約的這家廠商未來審查的時候我們會特別的注意 |
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好 我真的很期待不要那種惡性的輪迴換個名字原班人馬又出現了那當然我這個擔心 比較擔心當然你這一次的招標把車輛跟系統把它分開 平分當然就OK啦不要像之前混在一起到時候因為系統它根本跟不上來也沒辦法去做所以我看到你們這一次有去做一個精進 |
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那不過你們在舊的標案舊的標案已經廢的那個部分你們整個完工的日期是NTP就開工通知之後加1048天我們看到你們的一個合約書也就是說開工日之後再加兩年大概10個月到11個月那你們現在如果你來看六月底 |
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絕標大概簽約整個弄好回去7月8月能夠NTP就不簡單了那這個部分你們有沒有什麼趕工計畫 |
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在上一個標案執行過程當中雖然我們這個案子一直delay但是我們知道這個技術一直在不斷的進進所以重新招標以後我們把儀控跟這個測量的製造的部分分別做評分主要的目的就是讓合作的廠商能夠看得出來他這兩個主要的組結構的部分都能夠有一些更好的做法所以你們新的合約新的合約預程還是1048嗎還是一樣的原來的一定時間 |
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會到117年116年是一個失運轉的一個時間那我們有一個備案就是說如果他的儀控設備還不是那麼順暢的話能夠讓他以用手控的方式來操作不影響他的一個失運的新的標案我是為你加油希望你們整個評審委員真的把事情這個要做對不能delay最後這個署長我直接問部長都可以因為我覺得 |
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看到你是不是你說的還是觀光部署觀光部署哪個官員說的在媒體報導訪問你們的時候因為就是去年的觀光逆差就出國的很多很多人然後來台灣旅遊的人很少所以逆差900萬人次看起來觀光部署非常高興因為展現我們經濟的實力這個署長是你說的 |
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是這誰說的啊?因為這公視嘛報告委員這樣子啦我跟委員報告其實是這樣台灣從民國78年到現在已經36年的時間都是觀光人數的逆差那為什麼從78年開始會開始很多的人出國因為台灣的經濟開始起飛那我們也有看過那個數據的那個曲線蠻有趣的當台灣的經濟發展很好的時候出國人數就會很多 |
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那台灣的景氣狀況不好的時候人數會稍微下降一些所以這部長這話是你說的是不是我說的只有剛剛我講的這一段你知道嗎 那個媒體訪問你的意思是什麼你知道他的意思是什麼就是要請希望怎麼樣去吸引的人來到我們台灣旅遊啦這個當然 不要逆差這麼多 |
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那我希望能夠回答 未來回答具體 能夠一些比較具體的而不是說 哇 很開心那明年逆差更多的時候你再講 哇 你看我們現在是無慮的啦逆差絕對不會很開心啦只要有逆差一定不會很開心像現在美國川普因為逆差所以很不開心嘛那我們也不開心那這個部分我們當然要努力我們來台灣玩的旅客我們盡量要爭取 |
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部長署長這樣好了因為時間到了因為這一次這個川普總統的一個關稅大戰才剛開始但我覺得在第三季的時候各個產業會有很具象的一個明顯的影響 |
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那我覺得觀光產業也是一樣是不是世界各國都不出國了那台灣的出國是不是也比較省呢那台灣怎麼樣去露營啊有一些比較簡便的簡單的一些輕旅遊這個的部分我是覺得你們在第三季的時候要去考量有可能這樣的一個變化好不好 |
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好 謝謝委員的提醒我們當然針對輕旅行的部分我們也會來做準備可以跟委員報告一下除了加強國旅之外可能這句話可能要再補充一下就是我們機票的部分是算對國內的產值還是有幫助可能他那個可能有點不完全表達我想補充一下好 謝謝 |
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謝謝 我們請廖先生委員謝謝主席 那麻煩我們的陳部長我們周署長請部長 署長委員好 |
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兩位好 這個我們今年的這個觀光來台的這個目標跟去年一樣嘛 定在一千萬嘛那去年沒有達標 今年第一季第一月的時候來台的人數有成長 確實有成長那但是碰上了這個經貿問題可能又會不太樂觀啦 |
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那我想確認一下剛剛延續魯明哲委員的問題確實長期以來台灣的觀光逆差的數字都是非常的大今年1月來台灣的旅客確實是增加的但是增幅卻比我們出國旅遊的比例來的低是不是這樣 |
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大概比例差多少 我覺得我們一月可能來台成長多少那這個出國的比例成長多少因為出國的部分移民署還沒有提供這個部分第一季他們還沒有提供那一月份對 我們一月份的部分大概我們出國的比例跟這個我們叫英鎊跟奧鎊的部分大概就有10% |
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差不多一樣是成長3%嗎還是多少就是出國跟來我們旅遊的成長大概差幾%成長率啦我們這個數字我們再確認一下你請幕僚先整理一下因為一部組只公布1月份的好不好你最後再回答我那長期以來我們可能都是著重於這個數字大家這個數字很直觀嘛但是其實長期以來 |
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大家比較關注的最關注的會講到觀光的問題最重要的就是經濟問題嘛就是順差逆差的一個問題那去年我們的這個觀光逆差可能是一個數字但今年我們是預判這個觀光逆差會持續增加還是會變小我們期望是變小那你們有沒有目標 |
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報告委員這個數字人數的部分其實我覺得去定義意義不大所以你會發現說從過去到現在大家都希望對人數會不是很在意很大的人數但是我一定不會做這樣的事最重要的是經濟嘛對不對對經濟第一一方面是其他的旅客來到各國的旅客來到台灣他的消費的額度我們設法讓他增加第二是希望把旅遊的品質做好讓他一來之後會再來 |
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一來之後會再來這才是關鍵所以說我們去年的這個經濟觀光有個逆差的數字嘛那部長是希望說這個逆差的數字不要再增加了但是就一月來看這個還是不樂觀雖然說來台的增加但是出去有更多看起來不樂觀那您能不能一月份二月份這個是因為遇到台灣剛好是過年過年出國的旅客會特別多署長剛剛這要出來是不是對就是一月份的統計確實是10% |
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出去增加10%來台灣大概只有增加3%嘛所以說這個逆差看起來還是持續的會增加我們也是不能說只看好的啦因為我們過年的時候本來出國是比較多的那我想部長可不可以訂定一個目標就是我們今年的觀光的逆差 |
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你能不能設定一個目標就是至少數字跟去年持平兩個目標盡量要達成第一個今年的國外來台的旅遊的客人一定要比去年的多要成長這是第一個要做的那第二個要做的我們希望逆差不要再擴大逆差不要再擴大這個部分我們也要努力好就這兩點那當然就是現在還年初那年底的時候我再一併來檢視這個數字好不好那另外 |
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在去年的時候應該部長也上任啦如果大概提出一下我們觀光署統計的一個數字就是我們的有一個出入境的一個人口的金字塔的一個這個 |
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這個圖像嘛就是說各個年齡層性別年齡層我們出國哪個年齡層多少來台灣哪個年齡層多少那我們有發現一個現象就是我們出去的旅遊的民眾的這個年紀大概30歲以上到50歲應該是這個經濟能力正好的情況的民眾出去的比例是最高的這裡合情合理經濟好剛剛部長講我們經濟好出國人就多了嘛 |
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那但是我們來台灣的旅客卻沒有也呈現一樣的一個金字塔的一個結構反而是20到29歲來台灣的旅客比例相對起來是比較高的那相對起來20到29歲就是可能大家比較常說的可能 |
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8114.976 |
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壯遊嘛用比較好聽的名詞就是可能不會花那麼多的錢來享受旅遊品質那當然就是對我們剛剛講的經濟的順差逆差可能又會進一步的去擴大那針對這一個部分我去年應該有請教過了那我們有沒有針對這一個部分來做一些檢討希望去做一些改善希望怎麼樣來吸引更多有經濟能力的觀光旅客 |
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原本我們就歡迎 沒有說不歡迎但是怎麼樣吸引更多有經濟能力的旅客來台灣我們有沒有做哪些檢討或者是措施一些行銷是 報告委員這個部分其實觀光的內涵我們的內涵怎麼樣呢它是一個低高品質 |
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8156.527 |
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那第二我們希望他多消費所以希望消費的額度可以稍微高一點這個部分我們要來努力那另外就是說針對整體的市場的擴大我們剛剛有提到就是說我們現在增加了很多國家的服務那個據點觀光服務據點為什麼我們要針對一些比較相對陌生的市場我們要去開拓那個地方的一些客源新的客源把市場做大我們的產值才會整體起來對啊那我剛剛講那個年齡結構就代表說我們的台灣的觀光的 |
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這個行銷好像就特別只能夠吸引到某個年齡層20到29歲這個年齡層其他年齡層的部分我們有沒有怎樣能夠做加強 |
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對我補充一下譬如說日本的市場裡面就是女性也是20歲到30歲他們希望看花火節也就是主題式的這種旅遊很強烈所以我們也不同的市場不同年齡層做區隔我們也會要針對不同的年齡層做廣泛的那勒林族的部分就是比較 |
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我們叫漫遊所以我們現在就是按照不同的市場不同的主題還有一些是專門希望能夠部落旅遊的那這個部分我們就是用市場區隔的方式來做處理那我們的成效的部分我們現在還是多多益善 |
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所以目前來講當然啦這個組長你可能有一些目標但這些可能都是比較宣示性的一些想法啦那怎麼樣落地落實能夠吸引到國外的來我們相信今年還有很 |
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8228.559 |
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8257.359 |
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長年以來我們都有很多努力的一個目標啦我們也希望說署長我們剛剛講的部分就是針對來台旅客的一個經濟能力的部分我們也希望就誠如部長的他的想法一樣我們希望更多經濟能力好的民眾來台灣有品質高消費而不是只關注在這個人數我們希望說觀光署在今年相關的行銷後面也都能夠多加一把勁啦委員您這樣的提醒其實相當好所以未來我也希望觀光署能夠針對 |
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8286.094 |
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消費能力強的那個年齡層我們特別去設計一些遊程或者是特別去設計一些商品來吸引他們來台灣是啊 那過去我們現在目前的這個來台觀光消費你們的行銷的重點區域大概在哪邊以國際上來講我們大概就是三個部分第一個部分就是日韓日韓第二部分呢就是重點的那個我們叫東南亞 |
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對 所以我們叫藍向 新藍向然後第三個重點就是歐美好 那我想這個可能在這個三個面向啦其實因為因應川普的這個關稅衝擊嘛那勢必會影響到國際的一些旅客這個不能怪任何人不能怪到我們自己的身上但是我們應該要去尋找如果說東南亞在這一波的關稅貿易衝擊是很大的時候 |
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8343.584 |
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那經濟受到衝擊出國的人士或者是經濟能力一定就會影響嘛我也希望說我們觀光署能夠針對這一波關稅貿易戰對每個國家不同的一個衝擊衝擊越小的他出國的意願一定是會維持原本的一個比例嘛那就希望說把關稅戰這個部分也納進去然後去調整我們後續觀光行銷的一個客群的目標好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8351.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8352.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
現在休息10分鐘 |
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8369.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8371.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
希望能够再交谈 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8399.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8427.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8444.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那目前到底這次受到的影響到底效應這次的效果如何不過我們現在觀光局已經把這個變數列為一個主動調的範圍 |
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8445.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8461.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
那如果未來在流言也收到很重大的影響那針對藉著這個需要怎麼樣去協助大家我相信公安局現在也在做很公平的觀察之外也在做公安局的觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8465.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那我希望國旅行業 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8485.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
那還有一些商務的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8518.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
包含在國內也看到消費階段也在大幅增長如果商務委不會下架的話會不會影響消費部門還要再觀察因為我還是回到我剛剛所說的商務委可能大家都還不知道關鍵站會造成什麼大問題我相信政府都還在考慮當中不過政府實在是針對方便經濟的問題那消防部針對我們打管的事政府敢問你怎麼看 |
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8539.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8541.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
未來在交集的時候再補款 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8547.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8568.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
臺灣電視臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8581.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8585.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
然後問一下 請問一下 她好像就是說 讓我自己打的很痛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8587.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
對民眾獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8605.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8626.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
因為主要是一套 因為我有一套紫色的裝潢所以這就是我有的那第二個製作人就說這次的花燈的顏色還會有很明顯的效果然後讓他拆開來講一下他比開封開始 現在已經是一套很適合防彈的你如果加入他的會員 連他的長盾 連他台長的作品 |
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8636.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8643.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
現在還在進行研討 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8654.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8654.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
剪輯師傅 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8687.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8687.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
後期的戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8715.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8715.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
開刀 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8727.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8752.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8758.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8774.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食材 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8786.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8790.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8801.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8801.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
鲍鱼 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8812.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8814.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。 |
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8839.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8841.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
中文字幕 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8873.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8887.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你看,這張圖,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明,它不明, |
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8892.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8895.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的一間餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8911.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8917.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
這間餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,包括餐廳餐廳、餐廳餐廳、餐廳餐廳、餐廳餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8931.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8933.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
這個叫漢堡 漢堡就是用刀剝皮剝皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8953.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8954.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8974.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8975.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
好,我們來看看這間餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9002.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9002.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
對,對,他有點張開張開的感覺對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9018.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9018.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
鮮奶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9058.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9060.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李卓人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9088.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
現在開始開會 我們請陳樹越委員謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長還有周署長請部長 署長 |
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9099.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9109.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
今天委員會的主題主要其中一個就是針對如何推動國際旅客來台觀光所以我們也先來看一下最近幾年有關國際旅客來台的人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9113.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
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所呈現的這個狀況那當然在109年高達1300多萬那之後就是有這個疫情的關係那在疫情之後我們的這個觀光人次也有漸漸在回升那在今年我們看到就是觀光署也 |
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自己定了一個目標就是說要達到一千萬人次那我想請問一下這個部分我們能達標嗎 |
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今年能達標嗎 部長有信心嗎我們去年沒有做到的 今年想辦法做到我知道去年原本設定的目標是1200萬 那個更高那實際上後來觀光署把目標修成1000萬那我們去年也沒有達到1000萬所以我們今年努力來把它達標不過我們能夠做到的 一定要做到的就是說今年的國際觀光來台的旅客的人次一定要比去年更多我們一定要有成長 |
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那成長的幅度我們希望能夠拉大,大到能夠到達1000萬聽部長的回答,就是可以看出來這個部長確實有掌握因為我要提醒,真的在去年年初,署長信誓旦旦的對外宣誓要達到1200萬的國際觀光人次 |
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可是呢兩度下修嘛那最後的一個數字是786萬真的差距是甚大所以我們也是希望就是說這個數字不要隨便喊一喊就是我們當然要衡量之後才去設定這個目標然後設定目標之後要努力去達成所以我想這個就是要提醒我們交通部跟觀光署這個數字不是輕菜化花的我們一定要努力去落實 |
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那我們看到說當然我們部長也有說要努力來達成這個目標可是因為我們也看到就是最近有發生了一個震撼彈就是這個川普美國總統他宣布了這個就是關稅的一個問題對整個國際的經濟市場都是一個很重重大的一個衝擊那這個部分對究竟對我們台灣的一個觀光業的一個 |
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發展有沒有什麼樣的影響不曉得交通部有沒有及時的去做一個盤點那有沒有一個因應的一個措施報告委員其實這件事才剛發生幾天那這件事到底對於全球的整個經濟跟景氣跟經貿的影響到底有多大我相信各國都還在評估當中所以目前大家的數字都還沒出來 |
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那包含關稅實際的數字也還沒出來所以交通部這邊跟觀光署這邊只能夠預作準備什麼樣子的預作準備就是我們密切的觀察因為目前為止觀光客才幾天的時間看不出來那個變化但我們會密切的觀察整個觀光的人士也好或者是說整個旅遊的狀況也好 |
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或者是住房率也好我們會密切的觀察它的影響有多大那如果真的影響非常大的時候我們就來做因應的措施因應的措施包含我們再加強宣傳或者是說再加強活動那另外業者一定也會受到一些衝擊對業者的協助應該做什麼我們目前正在盤點當中 |
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對 是我們就是說要先提早做好一些準備一些規劃的一個方案當然就是說先做好準備那當然就是說發生的時候我們才能夠迅速的去做一個因應那因為很多觀光業者也很擔心說是不是這個觀光產業又要進入寒冬了所以我覺得這個都是業者說 |
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這個擔心的那當然就是說我們在這個要吸引國際旅客來談那觀光署有針對這個部分然後在這個這幾年的這個預算裡面也都有一個項目就是精準客源的開拓計畫那這個計畫我們看到就是從110年一直到114年今年度的這個預算的數字 |
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可以說是年年在增加那今年呢114年比去年113年度的這個增加的一個比例啊可以說是非常的高啦那這個部分我不曉得說我們這樣子的一個開頭計畫有特別新的執行內容嗎那預期的效益如何我是不是請署長回答一下 |
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跟委員報告一下就是我們為了拓展多元市場所以我們在國際行銷的部分是增加2億那麼也謝謝委員的支持那這個部分呢我們原則上就是希望能夠這個增加雙印 |
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雙印這個部分我們希望能夠現在看起來跟外交部在談就是印度可能會先設辦事處然後再來是印尼那麼北美市場的成長是我們比較樂觀的所以還有佈局歐洲這件事情是我們更急迫所以我們現在是以 |
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這個西歐跟中歐為主那麼我們慢慢希望能夠往北所以我們今年會在河南阿姆斯特丹設這個台灣觀光旅遊服務中心那麼這樣子一個布局對於我們這個也是需要透過這樣的預算的支持 |
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還有我們也希望能夠米其林這個部分是一個品牌所以我們今年也會增加兩個城市來推廣台灣的美食文化那這個對歐美人士是非常有吸引力的特別跟委員報告 |
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是當然這個預算我們是支持啦可是我們希望就是說這個預算你們在執行上執行率要好然後要有效果因為我不曉得說你們的執行率如何是不是可以先講一下 |
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我們在國際行銷的這個執行率的裡面其實都執行率超過95%以上所以這個部分這個也謝謝委員的支持那麼我們有一些固定的這個 |
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就等於是五路齊發嘛包括我們的這個所謂的推廣會參加旅展那旅展的部分我們也增加了一些那譬如說我們沒有事辦事處的我們就拜託外交部他們有外管那透過外管的方式來協助我們那費用是由我們這邊來支應是 |
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那當然就是說要精準的這個課員的開拓那就是必須針對不同的國家不同的民主的他們的特性啊喜好啊來規劃不同的這樣子的一個宣傳嘛那我不曉得說 |
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這個觀光署的一個網站這個本席區瀏覽了一下我們發現說這個都是一樣的一個內容只是不同的語言你點進去只是那個語言文字的一個轉換可是內容都一樣我不曉得說這樣子的一個內容可以吸引到不同國際的客群的一個吸引力嗎所以我們要不斷的擴充我們的Database但是我們外觀就不一樣 |
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我們有16個外館所以外館也有他的網站那這個是我們我們自己本身的這個網站我想就是說我們這個部分也跟22個縣市政府做串接外館是外交部喔對不起我們的駐外辦事處我們觀光所自己現在有比較多的駐外辦事處譬如說東京啊所以很多的國家他可能要來的話他可能也會針對我們官方的網站先來瀏覽吧不一定是去外館吧 |
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我們網站也通案在做更新那語言的部分是多餘這個建議非常好我們針對不一樣的語言那裡的旅客的特性對他們喜歡的旅遊內容是什麼我們就用那個內容來吸引他 |
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所以應該針對各國有不一樣的語言以外就是內容也不一樣比如說日本的旅客他的喜好可能跟歐美的旅客可能就不一樣吧那如果說我用日文版進去看然後結果內容跟英文版進去也都是一樣那你這樣子有去區分不同的客群嗎 |
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對啦 那跟委員報告就是我們有兩個部分一個部分是等於是基本款的我們這網站那盡量更新升級另外是外館符合當地的這個市場的那個部分我們是做分開那我們也在思考一個是不是可以跟一些所謂的這些數位行銷的部分做串接 |
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那這個部分呢可能效果會更好因為我們都是主題式的行銷嘛所以這個部分我們也由我們的駐外辦事處那邊來做一些個案的這些的行銷跟宣傳是 好 |
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那我們知道這個觀光產業是整個國家的一個經濟發展其中一個很重要一部分那吸引國外的旅客來台灣旅遊那當然我們在國內的一些觀光景點的一個提升也是很重要那我們看到就是說彰化縣以彰化縣來說雖然在網路上網友的評語說彰化好無聊可是我們看到 |
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事實上這個有關旅遊人次的統計就是全國十大觀光景點那彰化縣有兩個景點是在十名內的所以彰化是真的有很多很不錯的一個觀光的一個熱門的一個景點那以整個全國熱門縣市來看的話彰化縣也是排名第七也是在十名內這是以這個整個國內的一個觀光景點來看 |
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可是我們再來看一個數字就是說有關這個在這個國旅就是國內旅遊上啊這個彰化縣是熱門的可是在國際上啊它卻是後段班所以就是說看得出來可能這個彰化縣比較吸引不到國際旅客 |
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按照這樣子的一個統計來看所以我們當然就是說對國旅的部分地方各地方政府要努力嘛那中央的話就是有關這個國際旅客的一個旅遊應該就是我們觀光署中央要負比較大的一個責任吧所以這部分我不曉得觀光署有沒有什麼特別的一個努力 |
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對跟委員報告一下就是確實彰化縣是以國旅市場為主但是我們也希望中台灣用區域旅遊的方式來帶動還有就是彰化有幾個重要特色譬如說我們這個馬祖遶境的還有一個就是我們這邊有很多鐵道元素其實外國人也蠻喜歡來彰化所以這個我們會再加強來做行銷 |
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是這部分可能要特別不同的這個特色去做行銷那另外剛剛署長在回答的時候有提到這個旅展的部分那我不曉得說這個旅展我們有邀請各地方縣市政府一起去參加嗎還是說只是我們觀光署自己都有如果是國際的話我們透過台灣觀光協會TBA他們來邀那在國內的話他們都有區域我們有補助給公協會來舉辦 |
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是 好 我想這個觀光產業的一個發展也是要中央地方一起攜手合作來努力這樣子才能夠創造最大的一個價值好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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登記的人還很多麻煩黨團助理跟後面的委員講一下我們時間盡量控制在我們的時間之內好我們現在請林國成委員主席請我們陳部長周署長請部長署長機場公司楊董事長 |
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委員好部長 署長 董事長我想今天當然跟你們談這些國際觀光的問題當然心裡面有所沉重因為可以看得出來這些高關稅以後 |
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大家也知道光光啊當然景氣好光光的心情會不一樣那景氣不好當然光光就會低落這個那今天本席啊也不是在指責部長也不是在指責署長或董事長但是我們就彼此之間要互相把所有的見解跟所有的需要提供 |
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給我們主管機關來做參佐然後做列入未來的政策方向如何去做本席一向是非常理性的問政那指責太多對事情也沒有幫助可是建言之後當然有所改變這是我們的啟示也是我們的希望我們大家部長 |
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你也知道嘛現在旅遊業觀光業現在是非常慘的啦不要我講我相信你們比我更了解可是慘之中也不能說什麼都不做那什麼都不做會更慘那什麼只要有因應之道或者方法去解決那當然 |
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只有產制不會產產產所以這個部分我要代替這些有關觀光業的這些包括旅行業等等要特別跟部長來報告他們的收入入不敷出了所以部長要特別特別的去注意這些 |
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另外我們大家知道啦我們一直在講說我們上千人的不管是國外或國內的旅客我相信部長這個也不是指責啦你還敢保證我們還有這麼多人來嘛所以我也不要你回答但是心珠肚明大家彼此之間有默契我相信我們一估的數據是絕對不可能達到 |
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但是你最起碼不要下滑得太厲害這是很重要的好 那我現在要跟部長跟署長來探討的就是國際旅客回訪力的問題 |
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我們國內啊 到國外去旅遊它回訪率啊 是非常之高喔我們計我們的統計 它有87%啊到日本去 它還想到日本去到韓國去 它還想到韓國去這有87% 不知道另外 我們來過台灣想要回訪率的 只有五成二 |
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當然及格啦但是比國外來講在整個觀光的這些景氣來講跟觀光的數據來講我們是遜色很多啦遜色很多所以這個部分我要請教部長為什麼回訪率會這麼低有什麼因應之道 |
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這也是我很在意的啦如果台灣真的好玩或者是品質真的非常好我相信旅客來了一次會再來一次甚至還會再帶其他的親戚朋友一起來那如果他們回訪率低對台灣的旅遊業來講就是一個簡訊整體的觀光的問題要從品質下去解決啦 |
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這個要從打底開始我們觀光的品質讓旅客來會不會喜歡是我們的整體社會環境的氛圍那也是我們的整體的服務的品質的問題所以針對人才的部分我覺得這個打底的工作要做所以我們研訓院要準備要來推出我點出這個問題就是讓你在做政策有所思考啦是是當然所以因為我們有觀光署在整個管理方面當然要做適度的調整適度的調整當然我們還是希望 |
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只要立法委員提出來是提供給你們做參考你們就會針對這個問題肥黃利的問題當然這個就部長你所講的我贊成就包括交通啊包括整個景點的規劃啊CP值啊這等等都是涵蓋在內的好 |
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那部長另外一個就是我們確實是下跌的我們這個消費的消費力確實是下跌那為什麼會下跌當然就包括我們的觀光逆差還有我們留在台灣的天數是不斷在減少喔 |
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為什麼要不斷減少當然或許剛才你所講的這個是有關係啦是有關係所以部長我們今天既然要談這些包括觀光逆差的部分我們都要把它考慮下去因為我們沒有優點就沒有人要來有它的特色就有人要來所以這個問題應該部長是 |
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是都很了解啦好另外一個就是在旅遊的部分國人的住宿旅遊觀光署我要跟桌署長勉勵一下真的不能束手無策啦這裡面為什麼我要講到這裡最主要是因為包括機票 |
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浮動機票包括包括住宿費也是浮動我就曾經接到接到一個一個陳情啊早上他訂了下午他進駐的時候說浮動價錢我本來訂的是三千五結果晚上客滿以後變成七千塊這是什麼就剛才部長你所講的這叫做CP值還有所有的管理出問題 |
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所以有些我們國人就是這樣啊我們國人說我寧願到國外去都不願在國內旅遊為什麼因為我在台灣住一夜到國外去可以住三夜 |
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這些會用所以這個是一個非常非常嚴重的問題還有何警長雖然我沒有請上來但可能你也要監督一下尤其航空公司他的浮動機票這對消費者是不公平的啦 |
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怎麼會怎麼會早上這個價錢下午這個價錢不可以這樣部長你要把這個問題因為你剛才已經講過品質跟讓人家感覺非常重要所以在這個部分我還是要建議部長雖然小事我常主張啊 |
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小事解決就沒有大事現在就是累積小事變成大事這個問題拜託補到輸掉你們要想一個辦法 |
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想一個辦法不能說一攤什麼事情都不管存在的問題就是這些嘛就是最近啊因為我從里長議員開始辦自強活動辦了很多我記得到台東花蓮去欸以前一塊的一塊的1500塊哇菜真好啊現在一塊的3000塊啊那個菜也很不好也不新鮮為什麼因為他沒有客人 |
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他沒有客人那沒有客人他就是什麼他就把價格提高把質量減少這就是什麼剛才補充你說的說拚錢嘛所以就會產生這個問題所以我還是要拜託部長在這裡可能觀光的部分要特別特別去注意留意好不好來楊董事長來我幾個問題這個跟機場管理啦當然你也很認真啦因為 |
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前幾天我們也剛去考察確確實實在我們P3的第三機場確實這個工作很繁重但是在這裡我特別就是我比較納悶的從今年2月18號跟3月28號第一航廈 第二航廈我們的這個行李的這些運轉為什麼沒有那麼久為什麼會出紕落來 董事長 |
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幾次的行李輸送或者運轉的系統會有的塞機或者塞車的狀況還有兩個因素一個是設備壞掉嘛我們花了12億多耶當時例如花了12億多耶 |
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市長在派這國外的人來他什麼感覺所以這個部長你要注意然後董事長你也不要答覆我這個部分要特別提供給你該檢修的就要檢修另外一個就是最近啊也就是食安的問題我們什麼什麼 |
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這個在二航廈裡面有一些食安的問題國際的地方 國際的門面怎麼可以把腐爛的東西讓國際觀光客 |
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那個會贏效國際的耶所以你寧願收高一點就不能用爛貨去給國際旅客去吃所以我要拜託楊董事長這個部分你也要趕快去把它調查清楚把它約束所以我贊同部長 |
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任何一個觀光的起飛一定要管理非常重要所以我要拜託部長小事擠多了以後就變大事所以部長我一向對於不管你在建設也好 |
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10523.325 |
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不管你在做整個這些管理也好我是對你充滿信心我不希望就是每到立法院我們對你的期待你都讓我們落空這樣的話我們的觀光產業也不會上來我們的國際機場也沒有辦法去讓人家認同為世界名列前茅的機場所以要拜託楊董事長很辛苦沒有錯但是要把更細膩的管理要把它 |
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10524.125 |
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10535.014 |
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作為更完善以上希望部長希望董事長能夠能夠在這個部分要去認真一點然後加油一點好不好好謝謝委員謝謝謝謝我們請陳雪生委員 |
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10553.154 |
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2023年5月1號疫情解封以後,國人出國旅遊人數大增 |
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10604.121 |
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但是國際旅遊的旅客來台的,那麼卻沒有達到我們預期以致國內旅遊的市場大幅的衰退那麼衰退的程度由於離島最危險住,我們金門馬上就澎湖那麼赴離島旅遊的人數也大幅的衰減那麼國旅衰減、衰退、離島旅遊崩壞 |
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10633.834 |
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離島的居民生計我們就受到影響因為我們以觀光立憲離島的觀光相關產業現在只有吃老本吃老本硬撐到現在那麼已經面臨到民宿關閉餐廳要歇業的困境但隨著國際旅遊形態的改變你單一只是做官網那是不夠的現在官網已經沒人看了 |
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現在形態已經改變了,那麼希望能夠深化馬祖景區推動各鄉觀光的一個廊帶以吸引更多的觀光客到離島去旅遊,這比較重要本身希望交通部及觀光署 |
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10680.942 |
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對離島地區預租更多的經費我希望能夠三年有15億的經費能夠深化離島的景區對於旅遊的行銷現在的網路已經不服其待了都是社群、媒體那麼也請觀光署督促我們 |
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10682.128 |
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我們風景管理處或是公安署這邊對離島這些景點能夠多做一些宣傳我看電視上常常有一些宣傳但是很少講到馬祖、金門金門當然會比較多一點離島旅遊業者原本希望開放鹿團來但鹿團來問題很多 |
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縣長、議長跟我,我們常常去福建我們去專欄觀光客,當然我們也有我們的原因我們的民宿滿貴的,團費大概一萬出頭那麼他們有的就跑到韓國、比較便宜的地方去玩去了所以然後再加上我們,你看比如說我們媽祖,媽祖有個團要來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
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那我們內政部說要拿那個財報財報、會計報告我們那個廟哪有這個東西啊?沒有嘛那體育團也要來要送到體育署去去審查審查又不通過裡面有一些官方的人又不准他來所以他來有什麼關係呢?到馬祖來馬祖要被吃掉的話 |
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10776.425 |
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如果被統戰的話早就被統戰走了是不是所以有一些事情不要把它 |
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10803.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
邊緣化昨天有一個陳姓的一個人到馬總區陳雪真是中共的走狗我是他走狗嗎?是不是?亂講話說我短命什麼的那你這種罷免的操作不服其待所以被老百姓罵老百姓通通站起來罵罵完以後落荒而逃今天已經回來了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
10835.083 |
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我是說,在部長你這邊協調相關部門,能不能人家要來你讓他來嘛我們去弄了老半天,然後你們這邊又去組黨,是不是?像台灣的,像路克開放團,開放團他們說要什麼?小兩會,我那天回來跟周處長講過了小兩會他們是同意開的,他們同意開小兩會 |
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10864.91 |
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不是不同意,因為小兩會是次團體嘛那我們很像又在談,我們這邊又把他叫停所以陸克萊沒有問題啊如果他們願意透過小兩會我們非常歡迎,不會喊停他們願意啊我們也很願意但你們主動去談嘛人家已經四處善言,很像談話還在罵我們其實有對對岸表達,小兩會之間的會議希望能夠開啟部長我剛剛問的問題,我看你回答我一下好不好他們沒有給我們回應 |
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| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
我要問對離島觀光的事情加強,比如像慢跑活動慢乘你們說慢乘的話全國都有,那換個名稱嘛機制啟動,慢乘、慢跑或是其他的你能夠做的,我們北海客到這裡可以充分利用你可以找一些拉小提琴的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
10919.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
在我們北海頻道裡面去拉小提琴真的望尊風啊什麼那個拉的如此如此我有去聽過真的非常好你聽過嗎我去聽過非常好現在很多街頭的藝人有登記的你可以跟他訂一個月比如說去個四趟去個十趟一趟補助他那個什麼旅遊費一萬塊他都願意去他都願意去願意去的話就一個月只要花個十萬塊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
10939.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
一年不過花一百二十萬像這種事情,觀光署、風景管理處都可以去做的嘛是不是?巡迴街頭做一些藝人的表演啊也不錯啊,也不一定整天都待在那個坑道裡面啊,是不是?是你在外面街頭也可以表演啊,助興啊什麼等等嘛部長你覺得勒? |
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| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
10961.302 |
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我覺得馬祖的整體觀光環境非常好,值得推廣我們也會來努力,委員其實也一直都在交代跟指導很多的工作我聽觀光組在說也都滿配合部長指導我是不敢,因為畢竟你們真的是專業所以我也期待交通部還有州署長這邊 |
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好不好,對馬祖這個部分多努力一下好不好因為真的很慘,網路上都罵翻了我也跟我們的鄉親報告可是很像最近訂房率很像不錯五到八月份慢慢就上來了五到八月份狀況很像還不錯,所以有些人說訂不到房但是真的還是加油,五月以前真的很糟糕 |
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那我也跟鄉親報告,這全世界的,我們全國性的,尤其大陸旅客不來,我們現在歡迎不歡迎大陸旅客來?很歡迎一直都歡迎,只是小兩會的溝通,他們一直不願意接受你不要去擋嘛沒有擋,只是他們不願意開始談大家不要 |
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11025.184 |
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不要吵架嘛你們吵吵鬧鬧的在那邊你言我語的都沒有講好話自然把氣氛就搞壞了嘛你氣氛搞壞怎麼來的是不是所以福州那邊我不是跟通匪幹什麼沒有這個回事喔而是說希望我們藉著 |
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藉著金門馬祖,能夠把兩岸的一些問題,我們希望和平,希望能夠緩和好不好好那周市長你請回好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
11051.347 |
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我接下來要詢問的是北竿機場擴建的期程北竿機場的擴建已經啟動了因為地區部分有心人士這個誤用數據那麼做了一些錯誤的訊息傳達給鄉親我希望部長對本席能夠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
11081.107 |
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很清楚的報告北竿機場新建的騎乘到底需要多少時間當然今天如果講得不夠完整的話我們等駿馬祖交通考察的時候我們來共同面對鄉親他們提出的疑問我們來給他做解答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11097.486 |
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這裡面北竿機場的擴建,進行跑道公營,這個工程很像先由港務公司來承包做一些圍堤等等這些作業這裡面工程幾乎佔了機場的三分之二還有做沉箱什麼的那2024年底正式 |
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施工的澳門機場,他也是邊坐邊走,也是邊坐邊走主席你請坐好不好,我再給我兩分鐘,謝謝,很快我們也可以根據澳門機場的興建狀況你可以邊坐邊走嘛,是不是那既然有這些先例,本市也希望交通部能夠一力對北竿機場跑道的擴建工程 |
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降低施工率,對北竿的影響盡量能夠降低,這一點你先回答我好不好,謝謝報告委員,我們在細部設計的時候會盡量把那個影響的部分降低,您今天在提醒,那我們在設計的過程當中發達何議長,就你所知的部分回答我一下好不好 |
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有關這個就是說在維提造地期間包含未來的施工期間大概之前都一直在講7年多的時間那本來是說我們是用最保守的方式來說會關廠嘛那可是未來在細設的時候就是在港公司這個建造標細設的時候我們會來考慮未來營運期間的總長你也幫忙一下好不好 |
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幫忙一下,盡量晚上施工,夜間施工,不影響飛航的時間好不好 |
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目前我們在準備那個前置作業在準備備標那備標以後找到選商以後因為你們在施工的時候就不影響飛行的安全嗎所有的情況我們都會納入考量那麼大概民航局的部分就是跑到撲滅嘛是不是撲滅的時間應該一兩年就完工了所以盡量朝著兩年的時間去走好不好那董事長你請回另外我想請問一下局長 |
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高雄到馬祖的航線6月6號啟航我上次在總諮詢的時候曾經提出來有哪個縣市要用補貼的政策來處理它既然是固定的航線,而且是新開的航線我希望交通部這邊 |
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你不要限制我來出錢嘛好不好剩下的問題我也跟部長報告過,部長也承諾啊可是之前好像是縣政府有說他們要補貼嘛目前現在他是定期航線目前短的時間,限制我補貼一些沒關係但是你們這邊要去檢討了好不好跟你們約時間去檢討我們希望他的運量能夠拉起來當然當然那票價核定了沒有 |
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票價已經合定了票價已經合定了嘛那你也督導那個華信趕快報來好不好因為我們有一些行程要安排還有就是北竿北竿航空站的停車場啊目前一共是81加3嘛有81個是81個位置是樓下的停車場3個位置是遊覽車的嘛84個目前固定停車的大概只有一成五只有8部車子停在裡面 |
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那林庭大概只有個為數我之前你們要求說三個月滾動式檢討因為當然有審計部審計的問題在裡面審計的問題可能你們也會面臨檢討那現在原來講說三個月調整到兩個月滾動式檢討局長我拜託是不是能夠一個月現在就開始滾動檢討因為你那邊變成一個蚊子館 |
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我想跟委員報告我想蓋的北竿機場應該不是要讓它變成文字館我們還是會希望北竿的商品來運用那現在大概因為剛開始嘛那現在大概是一層多那目前來講我們還是會跟縣府再來一起合作啦看看如何來鼓勵鄉親盡量運用對那至於滾動檢討部分我們再觀察一下你們能不能責成這個航空站 |
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趕快跟縣政府討論,然後對民眾還是共同來討論一下因為現在月租一千二嘛,其實現在訂的價格大概已經打折了現在我們那個山龍那邊停車場是六百啦你看老闆一車子不停進去,滿街還是車子我們的停車會可惜了你知道嗎,我想民航局也不是要賺錢嘛是不是你起碼收一點租金啊,維持清潔費就可以了好不好 |
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好 何記長你請回 最後一個就是馬祖大橋部長是我那天總書記對院長回答我真的很不滿意你怎麼英國的商人來可以推算出來需要四百多億 三百八十七億這個數字哪裡來的你聽聽世襲的說法好不好好不好我想說英商的我也不便去推翻他啦他什麼都沒有 他只是根據世襲的 |
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這個結構設計,綜合計畫的設計,然後算出來,那世襲那是假的嗎?你叫世襲去算嘛,算一下是不是跟行政院再報告一下?不然院長他不是很瞭解,你看我那年宋世襲還不知道咧,連這個案子連看都沒看到,這還得了啊好不好,我想立法委員在立法院裡質詢啊 |
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院長一定要了然於胸,不能說連案子都沒看到你也可以追蹤嘛,因為委員在詢問啊是不是?是部長這點請你幫忙一下好不好?好那謝謝主席耽誤你的時間,謝謝謝謝委員謝謝部長 |
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謝謝是不會耽誤我的時間而已是因為太多人我比較不好意思所以就是請大家時間稍微控制一下好我們現在請徐副國務委員謝謝主席有請我們陳部長跟韓市長請部長跟韓市長 |
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委員好部長好市長好那我想前陣子我們一直看到這個在我們高屏外海有很多艘的一個貨輪甚至是權益輪在那邊滯留那最近也發現有一艘坦尚尼亞的一個貨輪還有一艘柯麥隆的一個貨輪在我們仿山的海嵐區已經滯留大概半年的時間那不曉得我們交通部有沒有掌握相關的一個狀況 |
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報告委員 交通部都有掌握相關的狀況而且我們同時跟這個海巡單位也都有聯繫那尤其是我們擔心的這個海纜的問題我們跟中華電信也都有所聯繫那您在提醒的這個船我們已經有在關注了確實這半年裡面它的這個巡擊的狀況有點奇怪有點詭異那我們隨時都在關注 |
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部長我想這個不是一個海上交通的問題是很可能是國安的問題是那尤其我想這個我們這個很密集一個海岸區域這之前我們到底有什麼企圖我們都不知道但是滯留半年這個真的就有詭異的現象出現那過去我想包含我們部裡面還有我們 |
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相關的單位我想我已經在委員會也提過很多次務必要全面去清查尤其我們這個高屏沿海這一帶這個停泊的那個這個我們戰略的位置要還有甚至這個一些重要的一些商人的進出我想不能讓這樣子一個狀況發生尤其我們這個整個這個海嵐的安全的必要性那我們有沒有可能做強制一個驅離的動作 |
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我們現在應該跟海巡那邊都有聯繫也有拜託海巡那邊有沒有做驅離的廣播其實應該也都有做驅離的廣播但是目前為止你沒有看到他做什麼違法的行徑所以他在那邊的過程當中我們就是用監控的方法我們也請中華電信隨時在看著自己的海欄如果他有接近或者是造成破壞馬上要讓我們知道 |
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對 不然除了這個問題之外我還是要提醒因為過去去年我們颱風放太極的時候好幾艘就被對 全部都飄到我們這個高屏沿岸這也造成很大的一個損害所以我想這個怎麼樣再這樣做一個有效的管制安全的控管我們交通部必須要有對策 |
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我們針對這個如果颱風要接近的時候我們會做一個管制是20海里還是12海里12海里以內不准他們靠近會把他們驅離到距離遠一點那這個部分我們會拜託海巡協助好 謝謝那我想剛剛我們好幾位委員有特別提到這個陶磯的問題那尤其這個這個我們國人到出國的頻率非常非常的高那 |
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淘機又是我們的門面但是目前看起來去年我們的淘機的地勤事故大概平均每個月就有一件那甚至我們每次到委員會這個淘氣楊董事長就辛苦了這個常常也是被委員這個質詢的一個對象那針對這樣一個電線走火行李系統故障甚至停電這些問題董事長到底我們淘機有沒有做怎樣怎麼樣一個內部的檢討 |
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是 表列的這幾件的停經事件事實上 不管我個人在內都有參與我們同仁的這個檢討那這些設備因為第一航廈它是在68年啟用到現在所以有些設備的這個巡檢跟汰換的這個時間我們現在已經開始做提前做設備的汰換的這個動作另外每一個事件的發生我們一定會找到它真正發生的原因地點在哪裡有哪一些改善的方法 |
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那我們現在找到的幾個方法第一個就是我們提前做這個癱瘓巡檢第二個就是我們自己本身員工的部分要加強訓練還有維護廠商的部分那這些每一個事件整個過程當中我們會追根究柢到事件確實有所改善因為它影響的不是只有電力系統它會包括到我們的行李輸送系統等等都在內所以每一個事件我們都會做記錄那未來是希望這樣的一個頻率會減少甚至不會再發生 |
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對當然也有可能因為我們現在出國的人數太多了我們原有的第一第二航廈這個量能負擔超載所以造成這個不堪系統的不堪使用那第三航廈部分是不是這個我們的相關的工程進度能不能請董事長說明一下什麼時候可以完成 |
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第三航廈目前我們今年的下半年有一個第一個里程碑就是在下半年的9月10月左右我們的北登基郎廳要開始啟用接下來我們在南登基郎廳跟航廈的部分是在115年的年底之前希望能夠完成116年開始做試營運的動作那相關的還有一個PMS就是我們理科運輸系統會配合主體航廈完成的時間這些都按照原來既定的時間在趕工當中 |
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我想這個也是包含立法院還有很多國人的期待希望我們整個淘擠的運作能夠正常然後相關的安全性的考量的承受度都能夠做一個最有效的檢討謝謝接著我要請我們周署長 |
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我想部長跟署長也都很關切我們這個臺灣的一個觀光政策但是呢我現在本行要提出來就是我們在2019年觀光署提出一個2030年的一個臺灣觀光政策的白皮書那距離現在有一段時間但是呢我們現在看到過去我們訂定的一個2025年的一個臺灣來臺的旅客人數設定是1600萬人次但是很遺憾去年只有750 |
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85萬 那今年預估是1000萬但是呢 根據我們百密書看起來比我們的那個保守值的1246萬還少了 那我想這部分的落差 這個部長跟署長我們要怎麼樣來加強 |
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跟委員報告這個白皮書在疫情之前2019年把它完成的最後在2020年發表那這個是一個算是學術跟產業界的綜合那我們本來就是滾動式的檢討所以我們在2023年也就是我們國防署成立的時候我們就再檢討了一次 |
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那麼在這個我們這個520的時候我們在就是去年的5月30號在行政院有做一個修正做一個報告所以這個報告基本上這個白皮書的部分已經做滾動式的檢討是 |
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我們目前的部分就像部長講的我們還是以千萬來台這樣子一個標準在努力我們希望能夠合理這部分的產生因為我們前陣子委員會也有到屏東來考察 |
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那特別我想部長這個我們也一直在路上一直在討論整個這個整個重大交通的建設甚至觀光產業的一個整個協助的部分我想一定要從軟硬體全面來做檢討甚至我們在很多的一個觀光的這個誘因策略上面是不是有不一樣的想法我想這部分值得我們所有產官學界大家共同來努力但是現在另外就是美國這個關稅政策 |
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也會造成這個很多的一個產業的衝擊那我想觀光業可能我們這個業者也出了一彈那針對這部分部長這邊有什麼看法報告委員目前的衝擊到底有多大我想還沒有人估得出來那但是業者如果到時候受到衝擊需要協助的部分觀光署現在就會開始做準備如果真的有遇到很大的衝擊那業者需要幫忙我們一定會幫忙 |
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那委員也在提醒所以這個部分我們就先來預作準備那不過我覺得衝擊到底多大這還需要一段時間的觀察那我們現在就會開始密切觀察它到底影響有多大因為目前為止稅率到底多少還沒有任何一個國家知道大家都還在變動當中那到底對經濟的影響有多大也還不曉得我們會密切來觀察這件事 |
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這次也要謝謝部長跟署長我想針對整個屏東縣的觀光我們大概到這個今年底大概有一些的策略尤其這個交通部我們搭配了我們的國家公園署搭配屏東縣政府我們也預定了很多不一樣的一個活動的一個項目當然也是希望我們所有的國內外的遊客都能夠到屏東來 |
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但是就是一樣這個我要提出這個論調就是說活動很好像這次清明年叫做臺灣祭人很多但是我覺得不能只靠這樣的一個活動的行銷怎麼樣去強迫我們整個這個觀光的一個亮點甚至這個在業者他們需要的一些配套上面怎麼樣給他們挹注的一個力道我想這不一定是最清楚啦他們有很多的想法但是苦於得不到我們關愛的眼神 |
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這幫你是不是我們可以再來強化一下跟所有的旅館業者民宿業者的一個合作會這個部分的合作我們會繼續來努力我們也跟他們都有聯繫好那最後一張我們看一下我們這個墾丁南灣這個不然你覺得這樣漂亮嗎這個陽傘有漂亮嗎現在比過去好看好看啊好看那我想這個也是我們在觀光署在我們在跟國家公園 |
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管理處這邊合作的一個把這個南灣海灘把它美化的一個畫面未來我想這樣的一個跨部會的合作也是我們期待的那我也會再邀請我們相關的單位未來針對怎樣的一個觀光的一個策略的部分做有效的一個檢討希望我們部裡面也全力支持當然我們一起努力那歡迎大家到美麗的墾丁來玩謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝 我們請邱若驊委員好 謝謝主席 主席請交通部陳部長請部長 |
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我們今天的會議是針對如何吸引國際觀光客來臺旅遊觀光碼做的專案報告我們先看到這張圖本席的選區涵蓋巴德大席復興 |
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那其中的大溪還有復興呢下來都是我們全國非常重要的觀光重鎮那擁有池湖還有石門水庫大溪老街腳板山還有東眼山等全國知名的景點嘛那年年都吸引許多遊客造訪那也要謝謝署長對我們桃園大大小小觀光活動的支持 |
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那除了大溪和復興之外我們看到巴德那巴德也蘊藏很多豐富的觀光潛力有很多值得推廣的休憩景點那因此本席也針對巴德的觀光發展向部長請教具體的規劃那請教部長您有去過巴德嗎 |
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巴德去過巴德去過那對巴德有什麼印象去吃飯去吃飯所以只有對餐廳有印象對餐廳有印象好沒關係那介紹幾個景點給部長那我們來看到本系列舉出幾個非常具有代表性的觀光景點那我們看到新仁花園夜市是北部最大的夜市它佔地6000坪也有400個以上的攤位是在地也是外地遊客必訪的熱點那我們看下一個景點 |
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八德兒童玩具圖書館它館內有館藏了三萬冊的圖書那最大特色是結合玩具那也是結合閱讀還有互動體驗非常適合親子同遊是推廣家庭旅遊的絕佳場所那下一個 |
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八德埤塘自然生態公園那也是八德區非常重要的休閒還有生態景點那根據觀光署的統計他在2024年造訪的人次達144萬多人次可以看到他非常的受歡迎也有具有發展的潛力那還有一個是 |
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我們下一個巧克力共和國那它是國內知名品牌七夕魯迦巧克力所設立的觀光工廠那它結合產業文化還有體驗活動非常受到遊客喜愛那部長其實巴德還有其他非常多值得探索的觀光資源那因為時間的關係那本期就不一一列舉了那這邊要請教部長您認為發展觀光最重要的因素是什麼 |
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我想要讓民眾知道那裡有什麼可以玩的像剛剛委員所說明的這個巴德有這些景點您現在說了在我腦海裡就有一個圖像譬如說七七乳家是我從小愛吃的但我不曉得巴德有這個巧克力共和國那我現在知道了有這個圖像之後我未來就會去所以我認為那個圖像的行銷很重要讓民眾知道那裡有什麼好玩 |
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是那除了圖像的行銷之外那部長你還有想到什麼其他的關鍵因素嗎交通啊交通沒錯就是交通啊對那交通的大眾運輸的可及性它會影響就是地方觀光它決定了地方的觀光發展嘛那以巴德為例如果沒有順暢的交通系統那再好的景點也難以吸引就是我們不管是國內外的觀光遊客那前往嘛 |
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那這邊要談到那部長請問您知道目前巴德重大的交通建設推動中的幾項重大交通建設嗎其實蠻多的耶巴德我們有交流到的這個設計的在設計中的這個交流到的改善工程的增設對 說到巴德交流到那還有 |
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是不是委員也有在爭取快速道路快速道路沒錯那還有捷運綠線那本席也多次提到巴德三一延伸巴德那部長您知道目前此案的進度嗎 |
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目前應該是在可行性綜合規劃綜合規劃目前卡關在行政院是沒有辦法推進可以說是遙遙無期我們交通部的審查已經結束了那也送到行政院那邊委員在關心行政院那邊的進度我也來去了解一下看有沒有可能加快您認為就是遲遲卡關在行政院的原因是為什麼這個我就不曉得您不曉得有沒有其他可以向部長 |
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今天沒有來嗎 |
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是 沒關係 這個部分我會再去跟行政院那邊詢問是 那部長這邊 本席也要讓部長知道就是三陰縣今年年底完工2025年 已經明年營運嘛那針對三陰縣延伸至巴德呢那交通部在去年9月20日的時候就已經報請行政院核定嘛那本席也多次的請部長向卓院長來反映希望行政院能盡快的回應我們地方鄉親的期待那很遺憾 現在已經超過201天了行政院遲遲都還沒有回覆 |
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這邊這邊 |
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這邊本席有向行政院提出我的疑問那我們先來看到這個書面的資料那其中的第三點呢LB13還有LB12A進出的人口進出站的人口偏低這是行政院那邊給本席的答覆那存在運量不足的疑慮那因此有要求交通部來督導地方政府重新評估這兩站的必要性那部長所以您有掌握到嗎 |
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好這個細節我當然沒有掌握到不過委員您今天在提醒我就針對這個細節我會去問我們這個部裡面的審查的單位像鐵道局他們針對這個議題我們的看法是什麼我會來詢問他們一下 |
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是 那部長您今天也認識到我們巴德有非常多特色的景點嘛那對我們地方的觀光發展也非常重要那希望部長可以盡快再次的與我們行政院溝通與協調那盡快的回應我們鄉親的期盼嘛好 那部長可以先請回座休息請民航局何局長 |
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局長好 局長目前兩岸關係緊張嘛那對岸自2022年起共進行了六次環台軍演那近期兩次呢從發布到實施的時間它非常的短那以聯合力界2024B為例2024年10月24號它凌晨宣布那早上8點的時候就開始演習了那2025年今年4月1號它也是早上突然宣布然後它即刻就發動了 |
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海空的聯合演訓那當日有36架的36架共機進入我方的應變區那請問局長那在這樣的情況下桃園國際機場它位於北台灣的空域樞紐那同時還有新竹的空軍基地以及臺北松山機場他們距離都非常的相近那當我方在緊急升空攔截共機的時候那民航局這邊像桃園機場他們有沒有及時掌握軍方的戰機緊急起飛的情況 |
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我想跟委員報告因為我們整個台北飛航情報局就是包含北部這個整個空域都是我們的飛航服務總台在管轄那基本上跟戰機之間我們其實都會跟軍方的戰管聯繫基本上就是說有相關的訊息是會有一些聯繫那有關中共這邊的演習如果我們有事先在我們的飛航公告有看到我們就會做相關的因應措施相關的預防那剛剛委員所提到的 |
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幾次演習 如果我們事先提到我們就會規劃相關的航路那這樣的軍事活動會不會影響到民航其他起降的干擾 |
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基本上因為我們民航機都有劃定的航路那所以說這幾次來講的話基本上都是航行上都算正常那基本上我們其實在整個軍方如果有共機等等的這個訊息這個軍方也是會有掌握我們也會有掌握所以對我們的淘機來講其實基本上這幾次是沒有沒有特別的 |
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所以本席向局長確認所以目前對於預告他馬上就實施了這樣軍演模式民航局都有掌握他應變措施以及流程OK好謝謝局長的說明好謝謝主席好謝謝我們現在請蔡其昌委員 |
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謝謝主席請陳部長何局長跟李董事長請部長、局長、李董事長委員好部長早我先請教一下李董事長我看一下今年那個2025年郵輪傳奇的預報表 |
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這個台中港還是零嘛那去年我有請你們去努力爭取那爭取的狀況怎麼樣本來是今年有兩艘啦那一艘的話剛好要來的時候剛好海嘯不好所以他臨時就取消台中那今年沒有在明年的話我們現在目前預報明年後年各有一艘各有一艘的話大概就是 |
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這裡115年的4月7號有海島天空那116年的1月8號有瑞嘉塔的那個郵輪現在都已經有預報了那我們隨時都準備好但是這個期間的話我們還是要繼續爭取好 那個董事長這其實我想你們給我一個報告就是說那台中港你看喔這個 |
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基隆港從基隆、高雄、花蓮都有看起來都狀況不差是船公司不願意到台中還是什麼問題港公司有沒有做過這樣的分析 |
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我們台中港的分公司他有結合就是彰化台中還有還有那個苗栗大家希望就是大家一起合作不是不是 董事長這個齁我這個人很務實啦 |
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做不起來,不要再開前行跟主委在那裡等你一年我們兩個在這裡,我問你,你說你認真拚拚拚的結果也是贏我每年又問你,你又拚了,你又跟我說什麼什麼,又沒有了我的意思是這樣啦,就跟那個何局長,我等一下會問他,都是一樣的就是 |
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清泉崗機場、台中港如果它是一個在你們交通專業評估沒有潛力、沒有未來、沒有希望的地方就不要再在那裏了如果它本來天生麗質是你們不認真把它找那個對象那當然就是我們要持續去檢討怎麼去做嘛 |
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如果他本來就不可能可以發展你們為了應付立法院就每天都講努力努力努力做了很久還是沒有結果那我覺得這個大家不要浪費這種時間部長你聽我講一下我想這個台中港他先天上面條件的問題等一下我們可以請李董事長來回答一下啦那另外就觀光的層面來講因為他那個郵輪的特性是下船之後要再上船他有幾個小時的時間 |
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那我們希望說可以很短的時間可以到達可以玩的地方旅客才會有興趣那這也是我們海線觀光正要扎根該做的事所以我的意思就很簡單就是說你們要盤點出譬如說我去爭取郵輪來是因為我必須要清楚告訴郵輪公司我這裡提供什麼樣的優惠我有什麼樣的觀光資源但 |
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當你這些坐近還是沒有一台遊覽公司願意來的時候那我們就會去分析說我們是不是不如基隆不如花蓮不如高雄這個才是我要的實際的東西啦那因為每次質詢時間都是那個六分八分的我沒辦法在這裡跟你討論這個啦但我的立場很清楚嘛因為我一直覺得中部的觀光資源並不會比 |
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南部說我不是說比南部很差啦許智傑就會有意見了啦我的意思是說我們也不比人家差啦各有特色嘛花東有花東的特色基隆對不對有基隆的這個條件那我的意思台中也有台中的條件那到底是什麼原因老是 |
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郵輪數都是掛零這一個第二個那郵輪公司為什麼不想要來台中在中部地區的鄉親出去一個是我們對於我們地方觀光產業的發展有幫助就是郵輪進來嘛第二個是我們的鄉親要出門方便那為什麼台中港沒有一個郵輪公司願意來我希望惠後你跟我說明我講過嘛你如果要來台中我先報一百間 |
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如果有傳來,我個人先包一百個房間我把我的,我來促銷,我們很多鄉親可以去我包一百間房間,我說這個也沒人要來也沒有人回應我說,這到底可以不行啦我的意思就是說,進跟出要繁榮這個地方,進跟出都是重要的那我不想在這裡浪費時間,是我每次叫你要做,你就說好然後就告訴我為什麼做不成那我們應該更認真的深究 |
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這樣我們才是面對問題的解決問題的方法嘛好不好 董事長這個就是這樣所以你會後麻煩寫個報告給我到底我們出了什麼問題既沒有人要停也不來這裡載客人出去到底你們在跟遊輪公司接洽實際運作的過程裡面它到底出現了什麼障礙好不好這件事情因為時間有限啦我還有兩個大問題第二個問題啊這個何局長麻煩一下 |
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所以我想我們已經做很多次的這個溝通就我一直在講清泉鋼國際機場它是很有潛力的由實際的數據它過去也都是成長最快的的航運的這個機場那所以我們共同一個結論就是我們認為它是有潛力的就它有未來的啦那既然有未來我們就應該好好的來面對它的未來該怎麼樣讓它變得更好 |
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那我一直在講說我們的航線都太少了啦像我把它你看我做一個整理當然我們很努力嘛包括最近我們爭取那個神戶也要也要飛了嘛這都好事啦但是不管我怎麼爭取我都還是覺得慢 |
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你看許智杰委員都一直在笑他都每天廣告都全高雄小港差不多他爭取了大概幾條了十幾二十條了你看十五條啦我的意思是說台中要加油啦我知道有很多的問題啦就是包括飛機的數量的問題比如說華信他就是飛機數量嘛比如說 |
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這個對方啊我們想去的地方對方他們這個還沒有允許嘛那我就一直覺得很奇怪為什麼高雄都會允許台中都不會允許那飛機不夠為什麼台中都高雄都夠那台中都會不夠這個才是我今天要關心的問題啦那另外呢 |
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那個局長台中今年除了我們爭取這個神戶就是我們以這個叫做星宇來講我們爭取了沖繩然後高松定期航班然後神戶馬上要飛了對局長今年還有哪一些國家的航空公司可以或者外商的航空公司在今年還會增加哪一些點 |
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目前來講的話那個月竹還會再開一個那個壓樁壓樁對6月那國航有沒有像那個虎航還欠我一個航點虎航其實他已經開航了澳門嘛那5月下旬會有這個名古屋那跟日本的機場加油確定以後他就會有名古屋那6月的話也會有寄中 |
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好所以這個名古屋跟冀州算還我的啦對不對因為去年我一直在講這個事情你們告訴我說因為那個冬季航班的問題所以我也出面在我的社群平台也解釋了所以但是我的意思就是說今年要趕快還我啦不然你虎航給我斷掉人家以為虎航要撤離台中了所以 |
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明鼓屋 今年明鼓屋跟濟州島這兩個務必努力促成董事長你要不要這個應該是確定的啦那是你的子公司可以嗎可以嗎明鼓屋跟濟州這個是確定的吧我回去督促他們把那個schedule訂好會後啦時間的關係會後你再來請胡航你跟胡航再一起來我辦公室我們再來把青年鋼機場再盤點一下 |
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這個喔 台中真的很有潛力啦我們有實際的這個工商的需求也有觀光 龐大的觀光能量不然的話 那個星宇啊 那張董事長他不會傻傻的一直要發展台中嘛所以 他有潛力那現在怎麼問題 積極的把這些航線跟要克服的軟硬體的問題把它解決掉 好不好最後一個問題啊 這個 我請那個署長好了 |
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沒有找你上來怪怪的光光一直覺得不是太理想蘇長我一直跟你講那個數字管理很重要當然你現在部長只是就是說院裡面現在要成立這個叫做光光的研訓院那我再一次強調數字的管理沒有數字的管理我隨便舉一個例子大家都在講墾丁貴那墾丁真的貴嗎 |
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如果你作為觀光主管機關我問你說墾丁真的貴嗎其實你沒有辦法說服我墾丁貴或不貴因為你沒有數據嘛就你沒有任何的做以數據或者觀光趨勢的這種預測因為那你要預測也要有數據嘛所以這些你都沒有的情況下其實你沒有辦法回答我這個問題那我再問你住房率對不對很多人覺得台灣的房價很高 |
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每一個人講這個話我相信他都是有憑有據啦因為什麼這是他的旅遊感受可是呢我也常常遇到我自己的旅遊感受我打電話想要去住一個地方每次打去他都跟我說客滿那你就知道一個國家不可能存在著有一些地方老是你打去跟他說他客滿然後有的人說喔這個這個飯店快要倒了 |
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到底是要倒了還是生意太好那表示有可能是形態的不同譬如說度假型的可能生意沒有那麼好商務型的可能很好因為隨著台積電隨著外資的投資所以商務型的可能很好那區域也有關係譬如說高雄市人家陳其邁每天都在辦 |
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每個禮拜都在辦各大型的這些藝文活動 國際的藝文活動所以可能國際客進來 台灣客也跑去高雄住所以高雄可能好 可能好 因為我也沒有數據嘛 |
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那這些數據其實是作為觀光主管機關我常常對觀光署長我都特別的寬容是因為我一直講台灣要觀光立國你把觀光署長罵到死台灣也不會觀光立國因為觀光要立國就要靠行政院靠所有的縣市首長要有旅行的旅遊的DNA才有可能做到不然的話你要蓋出那麼醜的東西整個城市治安亂七八糟的誰會去所以那個DNA是要大家一起啦 |
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但是做一個觀光署署長對於觀光趨勢跟觀光資源到底怎麼去解決這些問題你應該要功夫要下在這裡功夫要下在這裡譬如說人家說墾丁的墾丁大街食物貴那食物真的貴嗎我相信有一定有害群之馬他故意賣的很貴然後就有人吃到那一家現在的社群媒體太發達了他吃到那一家之後就開始說這個地方爛死了 |
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他有沒有造謠 他沒有 他真的就買到很貴的啊可是其他沒有賣很貴的人誰知道他們在哪裡當然叫觀光署做這個很困難這要結合屏東縣政府再結合在地的觀光業者願不願意組織起來自救只要他們願意組織起來 政府的力量進去公告出 |
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便宜的東西在哪裡不是便宜啦就是經濟實惠又合理的東西在哪裡這個是政府的責任嘛因為業者他沒有辦法他自己沒辦法面對這個輿論市場跟整個整個這個這個這個這個 |
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所有所有的集體的業者但政府可以協助我覺得這反而是應該觀光署要做的事情否則我們在這個在這裡我已經講了快20年了從你們部長當我助理就開始講這個問題講到今天我們還是在講這個問題 |
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老師還是在講同樣的問題所以我的意思說觀光署應該清楚去定位從觀光局變觀光署到底觀光署要做什麼把全台灣的觀光叫觀光署一個人做那是笑話啦這種國家會發展出來的好觀光我才覺得這是有問題的時間到了主席都已經受不了要站起來了 |
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市長你不用回答了啦 因為已經來不及了啦 已經時間到了啦那最後我跟你提醒 像那個公佈啊像有一些像阿根廷成長39% 37%還是30幾%那個我覺得那個就不用特別去強調啦你要公佈沒有問題 那不用特別強調為什麼 因為他成長30幾%總人數都還不到1000人 |
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那人家就會覺得你是在欺騙大家其實你可能沒有這個意思啦你可能只是把所有的成長的狀況以序列來排列而已嘛可是如果這樣的東西被做文章好像一副觀光局就在強調說有啊這個有成長啊像阿根廷就有突破成長三十幾%結果人數幾百個成長三十幾%之後幾百個 |
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日韓比較有意義這個就鬧笑話 這個就會人家覺得你浩大喜功以偏概全好不好時間的關係啦 不好意思住下 抱歉好 謝謝 |
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現在請許知捷委員發言謝謝主席 我們請部長還有署長 觀光署長請部長 署長 |
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委員好 召委好部長 署長 大家好你今天很累 我知道 但是也要要求你先看這個數據日本三千多萬 泰國三千多萬 越南一千七百多萬 韓國一千六百多萬他們的明年的目標通通有在增加 |
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那剛剛其實其昌委員提到的我也蠻有感觸的啦我跟部長報告一下就是日本在2030年他的目標期望值是6千萬所以我們在看事情不是只是看這個時刻那也不是只是看明年我要達到什麼目標 |
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我長遠來講應該怎麼樣去做比如說日本他要達到六千萬二零三年他該做多少事他現在就應該要想啦而我們公安署今年是七百八十六萬民警的目標是去年七百八十六去年是七百八十六今年的目標是一千萬 |
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明年啊2030年啊我們有沒有目標我們有一個長期的規劃啦那個當然也有一個目標值但目前還在討論當中這個計畫我們還在討論發生這個目標我們要拿什麼特色來吸引人家來比如說你去日本你可能想說去洗溫泉啦日本很乾淨啦你去泰國你可能想去玩水啦 |
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好那部長你來台灣你是外國人你台灣最想去哪裡如果是外國人的觀點我們討論了很多啦就是大家對台灣的這個知道的點大概就那幾個好例如說101那幾個之外還能想到什麼對大概101故宮日月潭阿里山等等之類的還想去哪裡嘛除了這幾個剛才有人講過好像是先傳還是其他人講過署長那個 |
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你現在來台灣除了剛才他們講過這幾個點你還想去哪裡 還想做什麼我們現在全球都是以主題式的理由啦譬如說有曼城 有小鎮然後有我簡單的講 因為時間不多我只是提問題讓你們想啦因為回答都差不多啦因為我做主席在這裡聽這麼久回答出來的答案都差不多啦我想說就是我們用一個不一樣的想法去思考 |
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我到底是要怎麼keep in 我的時間要多久 我有什麼要求嗎所以我現在第一個想法就是我希望觀光部 觀光署跟交通部我們想一下2030年我們大概希望多少人而不是只是想今年我要多少人 我明年要多少人那我大概多少人之後呢 我應該要怎麼樣去完成 |
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比如說台灣比其他國家強的地方是什麼我們要用比其他地方強的來吸引人家來比如說自然風光比如說歷史文化比如說在地特色那我到底是用哪一些點就像剛才部長一直說的 你要希望一個圖像 |
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人們要來台灣的圖像是什麼其實我之前部長之前我也跟署長提過就是說其實我認為台灣比世界最強的其實是美食啦你想要去台灣做什麼,我會去台灣吃很多好吃的東西全世界各地的美食都有比如說剛才那個巧克力高和果我倒還蠻喜歡的 |
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類似那一種感覺就是說進步的我們希望有創造出來嗎比如說剛剛署長也有提到的米其林我之前也有要求過就是說台北有米其林我們國用沒有米其林現在感謝有來了啦有好幾家我們高雄現在已經有滿多米其林來了所以這個也要謝謝署長有聽進去有努力但是我一直 |
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語重心長或者我一直很感慨的希望就是說我希望創造剛才柏中說的我們有圖像剛才蘇中說的我們有主題讓世界的人看到台灣想到這個東西他想要來所以這個問題很大啦也不是很容易就馬上回答我我也知道我仔細記一下其實我一直覺得 |
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我們台灣的美食真的可以影響全世界我在北部、中部、南部、東部定定我要創造什麼特色出來我可以跟地方政府討論,我地方政府可以補助去創造一個東西出來比如說之前我也跟署長提到我們台鐵其實現在公司的話部長也很熟了 |
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公事化之後台鐵其實有很多我之前也舉例過就是六都風華或者是鐵道秘境六都風華就是說我人的直轄市裡面我要創造什麼直轄市的特色共同創造我鐵道秘境裡面我每一個鄉間小村我每一個店我都可以找出那個地方的在地特色說實在的最在地才會最國際 |
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那我今天如果沒有在地特色我就很難創造出國際的人來觀光嘛所以是不是就是說請交通部跟觀光署就是說今天我們以假設部長有一天你當院長啦假設啦那假設是2030年啦我給你預測這樣會不會有進步那你再看回來啦你今天的想法 |
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跟五年後 六年後 之後你現在有沒有辦法落實那台灣創造什麼樣的特色我們關公營靠日本現在六千好了我現在假設台灣兩千好了啦我現在今年是七八六嘛我設定我2030年我要兩千萬嘛我要有這種破例跟願景 |
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去做幾位 去結合各個不同的部會今天我交通部 因為觀光室的程序沒到那裡他要去結合各部會有困難這樣交通部 我以交通觀光部的角度我和各部會 各地方政府聯繫我們作為討論類似創造這樣子的特色台灣有機會在2030年創造2000萬的 |
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觀光都給建來這樣改良我不知道保庭會接受嗎報告委員您這個概念是很正確啦就是說我們要先設定一個目標那在這幾個幾年裡面要怎麼樣達成這個目標台灣應該呈現什麼樣子的觀光的印象給全球的客人這個是我們該去塑造的那也確實剛剛委員有提醒一點我們要跟各部會一起合作因為坦白講觀光署目前能做的大部分是行銷告訴大家現在的台灣是什麼樣子 |
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但是台灣要真的變得很好玩是大家一起努力包含地方政府包含各部會大家一起努力才有辦法變得更好謝謝部長因為時間的關係這個部分我們會跟大家來討論我也沒有想要吵架就是我們最要一句話就是說像日本這樣2030年是六千萬 |
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那我希望2030年台灣市兩千萬那部長2030年你可能還有機會再公佈門我希望那時候問你的時候可以看到成果這樣會大頭有比較長但是我是覺得你沒有這樣規劃到格局你以後就做不到那個程度那各部會該協調的就像部長帶著觀光署怎麼樣去協調各部會我的目標就是要達到這樣子一個期望值 |
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有很多需要努力的 有很多不同的各個不同的面向都需要去努力的你就是要有一個這樣的步驟去找觀光室 去協調各部會去設定期望值 去做一個主題 或是特色的創造跟改變我們就看到那個當時2013年那個時候我們可以看到的成果是往這個目標去努力好不好好希望可以達成啊好 我們努力好好好 謝謝 |
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謝謝許志堅委員好謝謝我們現在請尤浩委員謝謝高輝主席那有請部長那署長先不用擔心那個我們先請那個也請一下台鐵台鐵 |
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是 |
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委員好部長好那因為禮拜一的時候那時候我們有就交有關於台鐵的部分那像剛才延續許思杰委員有提到的那像促進觀光的話那時候有提到在集資線外能夠協助讓一些火車頭或者是讓一些故事館鐵道的故事館還能夠在集資線這邊來去做做延伸啦還能夠來藉由這樣子來促進觀光還來有這樣子的一個呈現那 |
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另外一個面向我要來就教一下部長就是剛才也發生了個地震那我們也知道在氣象署他也在提到說最近的兩週其實都有可能有比較大的地震那當然說說大家坊間喜歡看什麼龍樹亮那些什麼阿南德那些那大家都會就是都會討論這個防災救災的這些議題 |
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那我想要請教一下部長在目前來講我們在交通運輸上如果有遇到這種重大的地震那目前的防災演練每年的次數大概是多少那規模跟方案大概是如何是不是可以講一下其實在交通體系上面來說的話遇到地震影響比較大會是軌道 |
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會是軌道 因為軌道的精準度要高那我們目前也有設定一個一定的這個地震的值當它到達那個值 像台鐵也是一樣我們會有巡軌的動作 五級嘛台鐵也是五級 那高鐵也有一定的水準巡軌的動作 那巡軌完之後怎麼樣讓它慢慢加速的運行 |
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這個部分其實我們都有一定的機制那最近這幾年最近這幾個月其實遇到蠻多的颱風那個地震那我們也都是照這個SOP在走平常時的演練其實因為台灣時常在地震不用演練也時常在做實際的SOP的操作因為居安思危啊那因為我知道目前來講的話是在這個國家防災日的時候配合地震停車跟疏散旅客來進行這個地震避難的演練 |
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但是我在之前我們有去日本做一個學術交流在防災的包括他們演練的部分其實他們的次數是非常多的那我是想說來就教一下像未來像目前來講這個地震比較頻繁甚至有可能有大型地震的這種可能性因為中央氣象署有警告過了嘛也有提示過了所以說那有沒有可能會增加這個 |
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這個就有關於地震的這種演練跟次數跟規模我們目前市區在一年都各有一次啦一年一次其實就是這個國家防災日的時候相對會比較少委員在提醒其實沒有錯確實最近地震的頻繁度以我自身的感受頻繁度似乎是有變高了一些那這方面的演練或許我們可以再加強我們會拜託包含台鐵拜託高鐵都做這方面的這個演練 |
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好那再來的話就是地震時的時候如果那種大型地震它被通報的話那其實是等中央氣象署的這個通報嗎還是說在台鐵或是在部長這邊有辦法收到第一時間的這種大型的如果發生大地震的這種通報以及說災害的狀況 |
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因為目前來講的監測機制啊那台鐵的這些鐵軌的監測機制他就是現有的他不是平常的那種狀況他們其實都有感測器他各個編電系統都有感測器那各地的這個地震的狀況他們也都有感測器那另外一方面當然氣象署像剛剛的地震在震之前氣象署的訊息都已經先進來了所以這個部分其實訊息在現在這個時代已經非常的快好 |
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那因為時間有限那我還是本席在這裡建議就是增加這個防災的演練的次數及規模好不好那再來就是說當然在賴清德總統的時候講這個談話之後啊這台海危機是逐漸升溫那如果假如在戰爭時期的話那在相關的台鐵的疏散或是做這個暫時輸運轉運的部分有沒有任何的一個配套方案 |
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報告委員其實我們有配合內政部這個全社會任性的這個演練我們各個單位都有做不一樣的演練那所有交通體系的所有的單位都有做不一樣的規劃跟演練好 那就有關於台鐵的部分有演練過幾次 |
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包委員我們是每年都會做各分區都會做一次演練都是戰爭時期的演練嗎對我們也會跟國防部但是配合萬安46號的時候做演練對那個是萬安的演習是萬安演習那我們各分區有各分區我們自己內部依照我們的災害防救的要點要辦演習那所以說加時演習的時候像台鐵的這些所謂的這個火車這些都是被徵用的嗎 |
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我們在演習會有劇本就如果像萬安演習我們就會各單位消防國防相關單位有劇本那依照劇本我們要提供的車輛還有人員我們都會來配合那一年的話在演練幾次萬安演習是一年會在 |
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選擇定地點演習一次那我們自己各分區的每一年還會依照我們自己這個實際的狀況還有當年度發生的一些事件事故比較是重點的項目我們來做演練那我還是本期在這裡建議就是說因為在旺岸的話他是主要針對空襲模擬照明洗面跟旅客疏散 |
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那其實真正要遇到這種情況的這種應變來講這樣子的演練規模可能不夠啊所以說本期還是建議局安思維啊那包括在遇到那種突發狀況的時候可能還是需要多一些演練的一個一個過程跟劇本啊對那好那謝謝那我還是要接著請教一下部長那在你剛才有提到這個 |
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來台旅遊的人數有增加在第一季的部分那這就跟觀光署有關了那這個220萬人那你預計在第二季的話大約可以目標達到多少萬人報告委員我們當然希望可以再增加更多目前看起來第一季只有增加3% |
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這個部分坦白說我是覺得有點少那我們希望能夠再繼續增加更多那到底預測有多少早上也許多委員一直在問第二劑的話對第二劑這個變數其實蠻大因為現在看到這個關稅戰全球的經貿到底會長什麼樣的狀況其實各國目前都還在評估 審慎評估當中那這個事情對於整個觀光的衝擊我們也都還在觀察所以第二劑的目標數字 |
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我認為這個變數很大我目前沒有辦法設定一個目標設定一個目標我希望能夠比第一劑再多3%最少所以說希望能夠在220再加個220再3%好那還是勉勵期待 |
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我在這裡的話本身還是要就是也反映一下其實像剛才許多委員有提到目前在國外行銷觀光的這個亮點的部分他其實還是行銷過去既有的傳統的景點居多那我們在看到日本他們其實有很多的這種宗教的宗教的季節一些宗教的活動他也成為台灣人能夠去日本觀光旅遊的誘因 |
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像現在台灣很明顯因為部長你也擔任過民意代表對阿公誰料換常會主事阿表哥天上聖母他就開始觀世音菩薩一連串就連我們的中元節在日本就對照起來又變成盂蘭盆祭那所以本席在建議阿看到外國的觀光客來台灣看到這媽祖遶境阿大家是非常的感動阿所以其實在觀光在行銷我們台灣的這個亮點 |
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其實也要藉由這個宗教的特色宗教的文化能夠把一些觀光客帶進來我覺得這個可以讓其他國外在看到台灣的觀光行銷比較耳目一新又有其他的誘因所以我在想說這個部分是不是可以研擬一些方案能夠讓這樣子來提升誘因 |
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其實台灣有很多的誘因也有很多好玩的地方但是我們過去或許我們行銷的角度都沒有放在這些地方像委員剛剛所提醒的一些宗教活動在日本他們就做得相當成功那或許台灣也可以參考這樣子的案例我們也來做這樣子的行銷台灣還有很多不一樣的特色那在未來應該都要做出來給大家看得到 |
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對 因為期許啦因為宗教也可以成為光光又隱智像我們竹山的大師爺文化祭也是確實吸引了全國的人潮那我就想這個部分希望能夠有具體方案再提供給本席辦公室好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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林業勤 林業勤 林業勤委員不在等一下黃建斌委員講完我們休息20分讓大家上個洗手間吃個飯因為後面人太多了 都要來所以大家就休等一下那個 等黃建斌委員執行完好 我們現在請楊瓊英委員謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長 |
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我們來討論在112年的時候11月份他核定了台中國際機場2040年整體的規劃其中清楚的寫到2040年的850萬人次旅運量 |
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中部地區國際門戶的機場等規劃所以首先本席要請教中進中出我相信您擔任市議員的時候擔任縣議員的時候大家都極力的朝這個方向所以請教中進中出還要幾年這是第一個問題那麼我們台中機場的航廈規劃你是不是有比較具體的一個方案 |
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因為我們認識到說台中地區跟中部地區的產業我們都非常的希望我們能夠走到東雲或者是高雄或者還要到松山來而且它不只是交通問題它更能夠促進我們整個中台灣的觀光會展我們的製造業還有我們的農產品等等的這一些都是非常的重要都是一個關聯性但是我們看到目前台中機場我們的航線太少了 |
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我們的航班密度也不足那很難撐起國際的這個門戶在這樣的一個情況之下我們又看到交通部民航局給我們的一個資料他說明了他說台中機場受限於線型的跑道長度 |
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與空域配置的限制所以目前起降呢那麼有限所以在這樣的情況之下更難吸引到國際的航空公司來進駐而且開拓了這個遠程的這個航線所以請教第一個我們中印增出你們預計大概還要多少年第二個我們要如何的增搬跟開闢讓我們的真正的國際機場可以去展現請說說明 |
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好 報告委員中進中出現在已經都在中進中出以我自己的旅行的經驗我如果從台中出大概也是量數很少嘛量數的部分這你滿意嗎你是台中人你滿意嗎當然還不滿意當然不滿意 還好剛剛委員在講的航班跟航點目前已經恢復到疫情之前的94%跟79%也就是說航班的部分恢復的數量比較多但是 |
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我們可以這麼說啦因為過去在兩岸的航線會比較多但現在兩岸航線相對減少所以如果扣除兩岸航線的話我們現在的航班跟航點應該是比疫情之前還要多我們是號稱為國際機場如果部長你這樣回答我們是比較多那我們整個國際機場要怎麼去規劃我在說的是國際的運量對不對我們要怎麼去規劃所以我相信你絕對有前瞻性嘛有有有 |
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你會滿足剛剛你所說的數字嗎我們繼續努力啦你還好一個繼續努力我想我們在這裡是要好好的去討論怎麼樣可以讓我們的中部地區還有我們的國人在交通方面等都可以更加的變暢尤其在我們台中現在會展中心今年要完成世界國際的這個有人都會到 |
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這個國際機場對我們來講是非常的重要好就這個事呢我要再請教現在的困境台中到金門的航班的問題那不只有說機位很搶手而且你平常就進不到更不用說假日那這個大家都很清楚很清楚有時候在那邊用物的關係兩天啊幾天啊那擠壓的更多那這樣的一個情況之下請教部長針對於我們整個 |
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台中到金門的航班嚴重不足的這個情況之下因為供需不平衡了嘛那我們要怎麼處理包委員我們現在整個國內包含跟離島之間的這個飛航的問題有時候是因為我們的運能問題啦我們的運能有點不足這是坦白要這麼說因為根本不足這很事實我們要怎麼解決 |
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他的需求有這麼多為什麼人家不要呢運能不足對不對我們希望能夠放大機型不過這個要跟我們的國際航空公司大家來溝通跟協調所以你必須把你的基礎建設做好會會會這個會才能夠吸引人家大型的國際的這個這個這個不管是飛機這個座位會多嘛大型的飛機以及國際的這個航空公司願意進駐嘛 |
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這根本還是要先解決所以台中到金門嚴重不足我相信部長你也了解那要你除了去協調他換大型的這個飛機但是到目前為止還是不夠還是工具差距很大 |
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所以這個部分必須要再加強你去運作你去討論看我們的工序這麼樣不平衡的時候我們交通部這一邊可以怎麼樣去協助讓我們的民眾可以在交通可以有變長你多的時間可以一個方式你們去討論給本席 |
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我們這三個月來討論好不好好 三個月給本席說你們要怎麼樣針對台中跟金門的航班嚴重不足的供需不平衡最後一個問題我請教台鐵那你宣布了要平均漲幅是26.8而且要在今年的6月23號開始正式來執行那大家有高度的質疑在目前通膨以及碰到 |
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這樣子關稅的議題而且產業生存之壓力大家政府地方政府以及中央政府以及產業大家工會大家就要團結作戰在這個時間我們似乎可以看到非常嚴肅的不管是通膨或者是民生會很痛苦那加上了這樣子突如其來的這樣子的因素那你認為 |
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有沒有考量到要怎麼樣讓我們的社會大眾的負擔能力可以去緩和請教有 報告委員您在提醒的這個我們有考量到尤其您上面所寫的通勤族跟學生族他們所憂慮的事情我們現在交通部有個TPAS只要你有使用TPAS你是完全沒有影響你搭乘台鐵它就是假設是以貝貝基塔來講是一千二這是局部 |
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也就是說他漲價的部分是由政府來吸收就不會讓一般的民眾受影響像學生族他也是用TPAS通勤族他也是用TPAS這個部分就不會有影響沒有用的人呢 |
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沒有用的人幫幫委員你用的這些軌道佔多數啊台鐵還有一個常客計畫常客優惠你沒有針對本席的提問如果沒有這個關稅你如果沒有現在關稅嚴肅的議題那你這樣就分攤但是本席給你的功課就是說到目前的狀態連剛剛我們在經濟委員會部長也說他會隨時滾動式的減少我們會讓民眾的影響影響到最低的狀況 |
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你必須要去討論而且看到給你的樣態是什麼必要的時候要怎麼樣由政府來協助不管是台鐵公司還是我們的通勤組我覺得這非常的重要因為這個時間必須要共體時間提出這個議題謝謝 |
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謝謝我們請黃建斌委員謝謝主席主席我們也請我們陳部長請部長 |
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部長好 本席非常珍惜有機會跟您在這邊來做交流謝謝為什麼說會很營銷這個機會因為在這個會期好幾次本席就邀請你到辦公室就是想要跟部長來討論目前我們跟花東居民交通有關的一些議題 |
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像是我們的花東快還有最近車票漲價的事情可是部長在辦公室一直回應說你都沒時間那我想說不然次長來一下次長也說他都沒時間我想說真的都很忙都沒有時間真的難得有機會可以到交通委員會來質詢就希望能夠當面跟部長來說一些搬一下台東一些鄉親的聲音謝謝委員因為我們也納悶就是看到假日的時候部長都為了大發明旋轉到各地去宣講啊現在都沒時間 |
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所以所以本席要提醒部長部長我沒有到處去啊委員是否定我提醒否定你這個學習應該是錯的喔部長我們上一次在跟行政院長到台東看災的時候部長你跟本席也聊過說要不然大家有溝通的問題希望我們都可以做得合作嘛對不對當然所以部長我要提醒部長好 |
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社會交通部長責任維護台東人交通的權益是很重要的一個工作那這邊我想要跟部長說未來以後本市如果召開相關的活動還是想補充跟台東有些重大意義的這些交通議題就是部長如果沒有時間是不是可以請市長也來一下讓我們來正面的來溝通我們來安排謝謝 謝謝部長的承諾好 那我們現在進入今天的重點就是說在禮拜一的時候我們台股創下史上大跌幅的一天 |
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那天就有一個朋友說 每天都落一支旗他就把台鐵車票拿出來說 台鐵漲了26%你看在這樣的情況之下整個經濟都已經很低迷的時候台鐵漲價對台灣民眾都是雪上加霜特別台東未來台東漲價之後 台北台東來回漲了300塊這個本來交通弱勢的台東就是雪上加霜對台東人都情何以堪 |
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那我們這些東西價錢跟西部一樣但是我們的交通的品質其實又還沒有達到跟西部一樣的狀況西部有高鐵、有高速公路、有台鐵、台灣山頂我們台南只有一條 |
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台九縣以及火車那我們印象還深刻0403強振之後接著連接的幾個強台整個東部的交通也好觀光也好產業也好都非常非常的低迷也還沒有完全復原喔那我們今年中秋七明年假我們的住房率那個業者說甚至不到五成喔不到五成那 |
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相對於在台東整個交通跟觀光還在復原的階段裡面那本席去年在立法院兩度提案來要求中央來動漲台鐵東部的票價那後來交通部也承諾在春節之前不會漲沒想到我們二月的時候台鐵就宣布要漲價 |
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那第一時間我們本席也跟部裡面提出三個要求第一個就是中央應該要信守承諾遵守承諾在災害災損未完全之前考慮東部交通的特殊性及困境動漲東部的票價第二個是提供我們花東居民找鳥實名制的優惠減少我們台東居民返鄉的成本第三個當然是增加我們南回鐵路的班次能夠提供 |
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往反東部的替代的選擇那減少可以促進我們觀光的這個人潮那後來在3月份的上旬我跟交通部跟台鐵的討論就是說如果未來真的台鐵必須要漲價 |
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是不是可以由花東基金的部分來補貼居民三層的這個票價作為抗漲的方案那台鐵董事長這邊也認為說這個方向其實有機會來做的因為我們481的花東基金本來就是它既有的財源是花東基金那這個基金成立的目的就是希望能夠提升花東居民的這個福祉我想這個絕對符合這個目的的使用性 |
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另外在3月份的時候我也在經濟委員會當面跟我們那個國發會主委來請教就是說我們能不能夠比照離島條例裡面的方式補助三成的票價給我們的居民那透過發動基金的部分來補助 |
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我們的車票國發會的主委也正面的來回應說如果在符合條件下願意來支持在這裡我要具體的請教我們保證不管是台鐵國發會都覺得這方向是可行的那未來我想不論中央或是縣府提案我們都可以後續來做討論重點是中央 |
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會不會來支持中央這個不能再把台東當作是二等居民我想我們讓我們能夠享受實質的評價這個我們在質詢的時候都跟部長談過嘛交通真的要平權我們要落實它嘛所以部長你願不願意支持花東基金來補貼東部居民三層台鐵票價這部分 |
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花東基金是國發會那委員剛剛也有說有跟國發會主委說過啦但是花東基金這不是我們管的但我們自己能做的是什麼我們現在正在跟台鐵正在研議就是說花東的鄉親的彈性票價的優惠方案如果我們是住在那個地方然後有加入他們的會員台鐵的會員因為他們有個常客優惠啦兩個人加在一起的話 |
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提供多一些的優惠給花東的鄉親讓花東鄉親的這個返鄉的這個成本可以降低委員您剛剛在提醒了其實我們都有注意到在東部地區確實我們是以台鐵為主以鐵路為主然後還有一個台九線那他們的這個運具的選擇相對上少啦所以能夠支持花東的鄉親我們一定會盡量來努力 |
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所以這個方案如果說國發會這邊支持那交部這邊也願意來支持最後要決定的是國發會啦所以國發會支持我們我們沒有不支持的道理所以也支持也在問齁 |
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也是會支持啦對不對部長他們如果願意支持當然我們沒有反對的道理謝謝部長領導謝謝部長那最後我就用一點時間我想要再為花東快來請命我們上個月媒體報導花東快因為中央認為經濟效益差被推薦那後來交通部有說有請這個公務局重新做這個修正再送那據本席的瞭解我們公務局在4月2號就已經完成這個修正重新送件 |
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那部長還記得我們去年7月立法院通過的主決議清楚的寫下就是說交通部要儘速推動花東快速公路興建可行性評估於113年8月份完成期末報告我們現在已經是84年的四月份我們已經過半年多囉 |
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那這個部分交通部是不是能夠務必來加速我想要請教部長說那目前我們這個評估報告進度是怎麼樣什麼時候會完成確實他效益目前看起來是不足啦而且您在台東也應該相當清楚我們現在正在進行這個安全景觀大道的這個拓寬的工程 |
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你也相當清楚也就是說未來整體的交通的運量的量能我們目前正在用工程的方法要提高那另外大家一直在希望尤其是委員在講的這個花中快的部分確實目前看起來它的可行的方案還沒有到很可行我們目前正在討論如果假使用分段來討論或許就有機會 |
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那什麼時候進度我們評估報告是什麼時候可以來完成因為這個很多台東鄉親、花東鄉親都很關心的你評估的時間大家可以寫給大家鄉親知道評估的時間喔對 因為安全性評估這部分是主決意是說要在去年8月就要完成現在已經是今年114年已經到4月已經過半年多了可是現在評估報告都還沒出來報告委員 |
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以現在那個效益不高的狀況底下,如果現在要立刻出報告,那就是不可行所以我們現在希望把它找可行的方案出來,所以需要一些時間你這樣說我緊張,我聽說要不可以做,我怕中了,如果不行的話現在的效益是真的不是不足啊,真的是不足,如果你要以現在來討論的話,那真的就是可能不可行 |
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但我們現在交通部正在努力找有沒有哪一段是可行的方案我們想辦法把它用出來所以需要一些時間謝謝部長部長那個主席都站起來了齁我用了一點點時間那還是最後還是要再請交通部這邊要盡快的來做這些的評估 |
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因為花東快速道路是整個台東往北很重要的一個道路那未來如果花東快完成南回的方向也改變這才能夠有效的打通台東交通的任督而邁這部分再請部長我們一起為後山的鄉親來一起努力好 我們來努力感謝博定 謝謝謝謝主席 |
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謝謝大家辛苦後面還不少人所以我們就先休息20分大家先休息一下等一下再開會謝謝 |
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15727.009 |
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我去後面我去後面 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物。 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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吃了,我現在就是我下面的目的 |
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會啊 早上時候來吧 當然是快10點半10點半就來吃 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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對,謝謝啊。 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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有在有時間嗎 |
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嗯嗯 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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啊啊啊 |
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嗯嗯 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,例如餐廳中心餐廳、餐廳中心餐廳、餐廳中心餐廳。 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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哦哦哦哦哦哦 |
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那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏,那裡有個老駕駛員在這裏, |
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謝謝大家 |
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好,我們來看看 |
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嗯。 |
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剪刀 |
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哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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這裏有個大廈,有個大廈 |
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好 |
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哈哈哈哈 |
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谢谢大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳 |
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嗯嗯 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝 |
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嗯嗯 |
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16464.362 |
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嗯 |
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你還用新的AI去管理你還用新的AI去管理你還用新的AI去管理你還用新的AI去管理你還用新的AI去管理 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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嗯。 |
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嗯嗯 |
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現在開始開會 我們請莊瑞雄委員謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳世凱陳部長請部長還有我們觀光署周永輝州署長署長 |
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部長 署長 吳安我想幾個問題來請教那去年的一場大地震花蓮的一個地震還有接下來幾次的一個颱風讓花東地區很多重要的觀光景點其實都受到了重創 |
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像譬如說本席曾經帶隊去考察過的撒卡當步道三月村這條路都毀掉了狀況真的是慘不忍睹這署長部長應該都很清楚了那原本這個國旅團還有遊覽車排隊進去這種盛況現在人潮幾乎其實是已經斷路了那當地的觀光業者幾乎也快撐不下去了不過我在這個地方也要藉這個機會感謝部長跟署長就去年因為這個地震完以後 |
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其實不是只有花蓮產花蓮一產的話台東跟著產那所以台東一些民宿業者還有觀光業者那個時候跟部長跟署長建議也說我們也去比照花蓮然後也對業者做一些試圖的一個補貼真的及時於在這個地方特別提出感謝但是我想請教的就是說我們政府除了補貼以外剛剛有什麼看了一個聖誕有什麼妙方沒有 |
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本席認為我們交通部或者觀光署我們其實更應該要主動出擊真的要去主動出擊去規劃或者說去打造新的觀光的一個據點讓更多人還有更有理由去走進花東我來舉個例子 |
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就是說我們台東卑南鄉就是山里的一個舊隧道就是這樣的一個非常有潛力的一個地方就卑南鄉我們在2021年的時候就列為觀光經典的一個小鎮那個地方擁有舊鐵道、車站遺址還有原民文化、自然生態等豐沛的觀光的一個資源 |
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那我在這個地方藉這個機會啊也來為台東這個鄉親來請命啦就是說就像柏定王看能不能這個部份喔可以這樣喔高通坡觀光署這裡喔我們來做一個規劃我記得 |
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你看你的前任的部長林佳龍部長我看政府是延續一體的嘛剛才我們補充大英國的事情我看阿扁這樣做一定是你若有專業去做一個評估嘛林部長任內內喊出觀光轉型跟地方創生這樣的一個願景我相信這個理念 |
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任何人部長來我相信大家都覺得是很通的啦但是呢這個提出這樣的一個概念他倒也不是說只看網紅的景點還要看到原鄉偏鄉這些比較沒有被注意到的地方當時交通部底下的縱管處也做了不少的工作譬如說他去做的可行性評估地質調查還有生態的一個調查這些都做了 |
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那做出來以後知道說一號到七號這個地方就變成地質比較敏感加上這個因為地震加上地質敏感然後還有蝙蝠這樣的一個棲地不適合再去做大規模的開發這個 |
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在地的民眾也都了解也都尊重這樣的一個專業可是呢 我要請教部長的就是說我們剛才說什麼聖誕廟方就是什麼替代方案譬如說我們知道山里車站這個地方這是一個祕境那我們怎麼樣用什麼樣的 |
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的方式去開發它讓增加一個更多為台東增加更多觀光的一個誘因啊我們常常說山不轉人就轉啊地方民眾也不是不講理啊也不叫你開山找隧道啊大家也是認為該保育就要保育啊尊重專業啊尊重你們啊所以本席在這個前提之下要來 |
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跟部長來做一個建議就是說三里舊隧道我們如果沒辦法進一步去開放是不是研議替代方案譬如說你鐵馬的驛站還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線的一個設計等等這一些我們可不可以先來做博丁我覺得你們已經幾個月了 |
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部長可不可以具體聲明報告委員您這個建議非常好山里舊隧道其實有它的觀光價值在但是本身不一定有辦法再進一步的開發一些生態上的限制還有地質上的限制不過委員在建議的這個替代方案我覺得觀光署應該好好做研究包含鐵馬驛站的部分還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線等等的設計我們在山里的周邊把整個觀光的配套把它做起來 |
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即便是他那個隧道沒有進一步的開發他的整體的觀光價值還是可以顯現所以委員您今天交代我們就趕快來做這方面的研究我們就朝這個方向下去做謝謝部長先給你感謝我為什麼這樣講呢就是說其實我們也很清楚永續啊 |
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低碳啊深度的體驗啊大家朗朗上口啊那也確實是我們那個交通部還有觀光署你們應該是責無旁貸有這麼好的一個地方的話我們主動去挖掘讓我們在東部這個地方啊 |
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不要因為一場地震把整個觀光夢全部給震碎掉了所以我謝謝部長這樣的一個承諾我必須要特別提出來就是說我們台東其實具有豐富的人文景觀跟有地方的故事還有原民文化非常適合去做一個體驗不然我們一直在說地方創生我去把它看看我16個行政區裡面我如果在中古縣 海岸縣各個原民的地方看一看的話 |
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很多地方到最後你都必須要去講到你們提出來就是說好啦 體驗啦 體驗啦那這麼好的地方政府如果沒有去好好規劃的話我覺得實在是太可惜啦那我相信經過我們觀光署如果說大力去做一個規劃的話它一定是非常有吸引力的一個地方啊所以我再提醒一次就是說現在的花東地區的觀光部長跟署長都非常清楚啦真的是慘啦 |
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那怎麼樣帶入新的一個元素真的是要再搭一個新的一個舞台要帶給民眾啊這樣的一個希望啦交通部真的是有責任而且我這樣提出來以後不是只有你們有責任我認為你們本來就有能力本來就有能力啊那有能力但是我要說的就是說這裡有魅力有潛力的地方部長剛剛雖然答應啦但那個時間點啦 |
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你們創古厝你們真的有去做多少工作時間點可不可以加速我們是不是今年就開始來啟動規劃好不好我意思是說比較積極的因為你這個山梨線改線通車這個十幾年了擺在那個地方你說山梨也不能再等啦台東真的也不能再等啦那這個如果我們交通部或者觀光署我們有更積極的一個態度的話 |
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17797.1 |
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我覺得馬上可以啟動我們今年就來啟動這個規劃我們現在就來啟動要拜託觀光署跟台鐵我們兩邊一起來合作把山里這個地方好好規劃好 謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝我們台鐵感謝好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝 我們請盧先生議員主席有請部長請部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
17851.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
今天可能就一個問題來跟你就教就是我有看到就是黨風玻璃就是他有公告說大概在六月還是今年年底的時候要有一個法規或者是說法治化那我希望知道你的想法 |
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是 報告委員過去從來沒有管過這件事情交通部從過去到現在沒有管過這件事情那也確實我們發現說有許多的車輛它的這個隔熱紙貼得太過黑那造成晚上在駕車的時候確實是有一些危險的那我們也希望說未來我們希望能夠讓民眾的這個隔熱紙有一定的規範例如說前檔應該多少前側應該多少這個是針對駕駛 |
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我大概有看到一些數據那我看到了70%那70%你這個是怎麼來的報告員這個目前都還在討論當中OK我希望你能夠在就是說要進入法治化的時候你可以考量眼科醫師的建議好不好好沒有問題這個需要的我大概按照我的理解來看就是說你的前場剝離是70%可是你知道美國是怎麼做的嗎 |
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委員請指教就是說它其實它的前檔玻璃不是指全部Windseal不是它是只有那個眉毛的部分也就是4到6英寸是70%其實前面是不能加 |
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隔日子的那因為如果你就一個行人來說我必須看到駕駛人員不再注意我沒錯對啊我裡面的人說不定沒有看到我那大家的互相的一個所謂的互相的一個戒心那常常發生車禍或者是這個時間點大概都是婚案的時候也就是大概早上4點到6點或者是下午下班時間 |
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那你就知道說其實彎線對開車來講是非常重要那美國會定70%的原因他是指前那個眉毛的部分喔他是因為他的路又大又寬沒有那麼多車子啊可是我們台灣是車子非常多行為非常多所以我在我在想這個percent的部分你還是要去考慮進去或者說應該是禁止是說前檔這邊只能裝眉毛其他的部分我是覺得說大家都可以有自己的意見 |
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報委員這個部分各國的案例我們都會拿來做參考也會參考您在所說的美國的部分那另外也要考慮幾件事第一台灣的氣候我們是東南亞國家所以台灣的氣候我們有考量在內第二因為過去大家都貼了很多的隔熱紙而且貼的比較黑我們不要造成民眾的負擔的狀況底下來推行這個政策那第三就是說我們要讓這個廠商有辦法提供我們未來要去管制的這樣子的隔熱紙 |
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所以廠商的溝通也是很重要的無論它的材質它的顏色這些應該都要考量進去那美國它也有說其實可以擋全部的隔熱紙的它是有一些例外的可是它必須取得醫師的證明說它不能曬到太陽所以這些人也要被考慮進去可以嗎了解 |
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那最後因為我是來自原住民地區還是要跟你來討論一下蘭嶼機場的事情蘭嶼機場從大概2019嘛2019就開始在弄就9億9億的錢花下去到現在飛機還是常常停飛那後來2023年又說又再補助12億結果還是 |
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沒有看到願景他們的願景是希望看到說至少可以看到ATR飛機能夠飛到蘭嶼現在是那個19人坐的不知道部長你有沒有坐過 |
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我過去蘭嶼的時候不是坐19人座的這個如果你有坐過19人座的話你一定不太敢再坐第二次那我的意思是說它是他們日常生活必須要用的一個飛機我覺得不能虧待蘭嶼應該蘭嶼他應該要跟澎湖、金門、馬祖一樣都有ATR至少那個40幾人座的那個至少讓大家覺得說坐起來比較安心可是你花了這麼多錢9.1、12.1過去了 |
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還是常常停飛啊你你覺得你你也想幫你再想這個問題嗎報告委員蘭嶼有他特殊的天候啦你也應該很清楚他的天候的狀況這個跟飛航有絕對的關係好然後再來就是跑道的長度也一定會影響到他能夠停的什麼樣的飛機好那這個部分其實民航局做了很多的改善我們第一要務是希望他能夠安全第一要務是安全第二才去思考運量他那個德安航空到期以後 |
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簽約到期後下次的簽約的飛機能不能再大一點因為不是還是這個19人座局長回答好不好向委員報告剛剛有提到講的比較大的一個飛機是那個ATR42600的那個是42人座不過他所需要的跑道也要比較長那他抗側風的能力其實跟現在的這個機型是一樣的就是每小時不能超過25公里也就是說還是不能期待他未來有這種飛機嗎 |
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永遠都沒有辦法期待嗎不是 我是說現行來講那至於下一次的應該是在因為這個約會到119年那我們會在那個之前再來看看當時市面上再來看看我們只是要推動觀光啦希望這部分能夠考量 謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝請鄭天才委員 |
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好 召委 主席 各位委員 請部長請部長部長好 今天的議題來台旅客這個部分你的報告裡面也特別提到這個 |
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113比這個疫情之前108來的有恢復但是我們如果從整體來看我們就看108好了108這個好這張108整個總數來台的旅客的總數 |
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跟到113年的總數的落差就少了少了這麼多千萬、十萬、百萬、四百萬四百萬而這少了四百萬這樣的一個情形之下減少最多的就是中國大陸然後其次就是日本也少很多日本 |
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香港、澳門、亞洲所以這樣的一個數字這個當然很重要的怎麼樣讓這些原來會來的那個回復這是最重要當然 |
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這日本為什麼會減少有知道原因嗎報告委員這兩年啦日幣的匯率比較不好那造成日本人其實他們出國的意願降低了非常多所以日本人比較不太出國玩但我們前年跟去年相比我們去年的這個日課的成長率達到百分之四十幾比前年的話這個中國大陸的部分我就不多說了這個你也很清楚 |
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這個事實上他們也願意這群馬一開始講金馬嘛後來這個福建嘛福建人要過來所以這個部分這個部長我是建議部長去協調陸委會陸委會然後行政院院長當然要請他支持還是要溝通這個兩岸能夠交流 |
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才能夠更和平兩岸才能夠更和平另外就是說花蓮台東的交通花東第七發展條例 |
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規定得很清楚為改善花東地區對外運輸服務滿足花東地區基民聯外交通及產業發展的需求交通部應提高鐵路運輸能量及縮短行車時間並提升公路安全性及可靠性 |
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我們行政院的施政方針優化環島鐵路網當然包含東部的鐵路優化東部公路的交通網但是很重要的這個0403的地震所造成的北回線院長都去了部長更是去了很多次這個 |
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台鐵也提出了這個台鐵宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫64.1億元 |
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這個部分交通部什麼時候可以送到行政院報告委員這個部分計畫正在做那交通部對於這樣子的計畫應該也都是很支持這個部分是一定得做的那我們計畫什麼時候可以提出來是不是請台鐵這邊報告委員因為這個計畫按程序先經過我們董事會現在董事會已經討論通過了我們現在已經呈報到交通部我知道你們董事會通過而且 |
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也曾經送過又退回去又送了嘛對對現在已經修正過了現在再提到江部我們會盡快跟江部主動來做聯繫讓這個計畫我們這邊如果審查完成之後就會盡快來送我知道我上次就禮拜一我就問過台鐵就已經送了其實我一直都在追蹤這個案子部分 |
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請交通部能夠盡快趕快核定要送行政院當然也要協調行政院趕快核定因為這個蘇花安我諮詢過很多次108年12月20號可行性研究行政院核定這個可行性研究過期蘇花改兩年就核定這個計畫現在五年多了 |
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從可行性研究核定之後到現在已經五年多了這個行政院還沒有核定所以這個問題你們也已經送去了本席也一直行文給行政院一直協調給行政院也要請部長要跟院長報告趕快核定最後 |
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票價的部分我在這邊也值了上上禮拜也值所以這個部分這個花東的票價整個台鐵的6月23號要開始了這個部分尤其是台北到花蓮調漲的幅度32.51%比這個 |
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平均條幅26.8%真的是很高而事實上花蓮車站在過去整個台鐵的過去西部是虧損的就是靠花蓮車站 |
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這個一直是賺錢的所以這個部分也必須去考量這個你們說要 |
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有一個怎麼樣的優惠報告委員我們會討論優惠方案一方面是包含花東的鄉親居住在那邊的居民他們的優惠方案我們正在討論另外也鼓勵花東的鄉親可以加入台鐵的常客優惠方案他們有個常客優惠方案如果加入的話他也會打折 |
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所以整體來說的話影響我們會盡量讓它降低這是4月7號的新聞當然我那天也有質詢你說要延役那什麼時候可以完成延役報告委員其實623還沒到啦真正的漲價還沒到所以623之前我們就可以延役完成好還是要提早好不好好我們盡快我們提早好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長陳部長 |
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委員好 |
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部長好 部長你有去過阿里山嗎去過那你就任之後有再上去過嗎沒有 一直想要去好 那希望下次你可以排個時間再去到訪阿里山因為它被紐約時報評選為世界排名第19名值得造訪的地方這是台灣之光還超越了日本但是我要請你看一個數據這個讓人家看起來覺得很心酸我們的這個台灣之光 |
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世界應該要來造訪的據點 結果他的旅客數從10年前有276萬現在到113年下降到只有89萬9千多 |
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這個組組少了180萬我覺得這個對於一個我們台灣國際知名的觀光景點來講這個人數少的太多你知不知道這個下降的幅度這麼大的原因是什麼少了哪一個國家的觀光客 |
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報告委員他有一段時間是因為他那個鐵路停駛所以他下降的速度是相當的快那之後慢慢在恢復當中那您在說的那個國家我是不曉得但我猜委員要講的應該是對岸 |
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應該是因為過去你如果比較10年前跟10年後10年前當時台灣我們的旅遊人數可以破千萬那這個對岸大概貢獻了大概300多萬所以就是少了它像這個去年整個我們雖然要一直提振其他國家來的觀光但是呢少了入客之後這是不爭的事實足足也是少掉了300萬所以你的千萬目標沒有辦法達成你的700加300大概就是可以破 |
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1000萬那我只是讓部長可以看到就是說雖然兩岸現在有一些政治因素的干擾但是我們可以賺人民幣應該不是罪過吧 |
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人民幣有罪嗎沒有啊沒罪沒罪嘛對不對那所以在入客開放這個部分特別是現在整個關稅高關稅的議題對大家的經濟衝擊很大那觀光是無煙囪的工業所以他其實是可以為我們現在就是普遍包括未來這個服務業都會大受影響如果說我們有辦法可以打一劑強心針在這個過程當中去穩住我們的觀光客的人數那這一個方向 |
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我不曉得為什麼你們要一直堅持反對到現在應該不是你的問題交通部沒有反對過交通部都沒有反對嘛那是陸委會一直在擋啊也不是啦其實是兩岸應該要有序的去溝通這件事情那目前設定就是小兩會因為過去也是透過小兩會在溝通那目前台灣的小兩會我所知道的是我們已經跟對岸表達想要溝通的意願但是對岸目前還沒回覆我們 |
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那有一種情況是一定要透過小兩會嗎如果對岸他想要組團我們就讓他來了呢就讓第一個團就開始成型然後事後我們再回過頭針對兩岸硬要協商的議題再慢慢談不行嗎因為方法有很多種但是當你只堅持只能這樣的時候路就走不通啊 |
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其實方法很多種啊是看我們要不要釋放出彈性而已啊但是報告委員過去陸客來台的人數很多不過我們也看到了一些問題當然啊現在的問題是很少也產生的問題啊是也產生的問題但我們也顧慮的到一件事就是說他們的旅客來台灣也必須要安全所以很多的安全問題包含保險的問題我們兩岸要先談好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
18900.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
但是這個坦白講部長我們兩岸的溝通交流不是說首次啦都已經有經驗了所以其實那個所謂的問題其實也不是什麼大問題這個其實大家都知道我只是要提醒說當日本當新加坡 |
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18901.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
18926.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
他們其實是一直持續的開放的時候我們去阻擋路客他們就往日本跑往新加坡跑賺的是他們的錢那我們這邊就白白損失我們家一向是很可憐我們想多賣一點茶葉給路客沒有辦法我們想多賣一點伴手禮沒有辦法阿里山的觀光我們希望有人可以來提振但是最喜歡去阿里山的坦白講是路客因為他們在課本裡面都有教阿里山 |
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18926.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
18954.213 |
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所以他們嚮往要去阿里山但是現在你看竹竹少掉這麼多人對阿里山的觀光來講的確是衝擊我也知道其實你不是全職的單位啦這個是更上層的國安單位他們的意見會主導這整個政策只是我希望說交通部你可以站在你們交通部的立場去思考多開放這個旅客來台對我們是越有利越開放也是越安全我是贊成這樣的一個思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
18954.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
18979.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
另外一個最後我想要跟這個部長討論的是既然嘉義縣這個阿里山是國際知名地標那從高鐵到這個進到阿里山的他相關的這個鐵道軌道的建設其實很重要那最近嘉義市市長黃明慧市長一直在提一個議題就是嘉義的輕軌一直是被排除那這個部分呢這個這個表你看得很清楚就是說 |
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18980.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
19000.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
在整個高鐵的連外軌道系統現在是獨落嘉義嘉義是沒有到現在沒有啟動但是他的那個所有的廊道都已經規劃了那這個部分問題要怎麼解部長報告委員不是沒有規劃現在我們也有補助了一筆款項給地方政府也就是嘉義市政府做可行性的評估 |
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19001.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19019.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
他的評估的結論裡面沒有去提到一點所有的捷運系統基本上都有中央跟地方負擔的金額但是嘉義市政府並沒有提出來中央跟負擔的金額我們需要他提這個部分才有辦法再往前推進這個問題不在交通部這個問題其實嘉義市政府要趕快把這個東西提出來 |
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19021.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19040.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
那因為其實過去你可以看到有關於連外軌道系統交通部都是主政單位這件事情我覺得大家不要只是公文的往返我前幾天才遇到黃明慧市長他又當面跟我提了一件這件事情那我是不是可以請這個部長因為中央部會主管機關你們的高度還是比較高 |
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19041.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19065.735 |
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是不是你們可以邀集嘉義縣市政府針對這件事情大家可以有一個面對面的討論就是說到底我們現在不要卡就卡在這邊事實上因為嘉義縣市他們共同擁有這個阿里山又是我們對外的台灣之光我覺得把它的所有的這些軌道弄好然後交通更便利對我們提振我們的觀光其實是更有效益的我是不是可以請部長你由交通部來召開一個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19068.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19084.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
就邀請嘉義縣市就是他們的首長大家坐下來針對這個議題大家是不是可以面對面的好好談一談你們現在都是公文王範沒有面對面你沒有跟那個黃市長好好的坐下來談過這件事吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19085.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19101.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
沒有還沒有那因為你是部長嘛你是中央部會主管機關是不是您可以約這個黃市長還有約翁章良縣長大家坐下來針對這件事情接下來到底可以怎麼樣的處理大家面對面溝通一下談一下可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19101.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19120.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
我們再來安排好啊好不好那就拜託部長我覺得這件事情是關乎整個嘉義的發展就不要只是因為說這個經費要怎麼分攤然後就停留在公文的階段好不好我們一起把這件事情促成然後讓整個嘉義縣整個阿里山的觀光發展未來也會更好好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19134.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19148.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
鄭振淺 鄭振淺 鄭振淺委員不在鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在王宏威 王宏威 王宏威委員不在蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇 蔡宇宇委員不在我們請陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19166.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19166.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
趙老闆請部長請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19176.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19197.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
部長好部長我看台鐵他近年是非常積極的去推動我們的觀光列車的這個政策那明日號是深入東部那蘭比解憂號是行駛南回那黃島之心就是很掛全台那連中部中部的沿海還有短暫的開行這個叫海豐號 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19199.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19213.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
那我想請教一下請問有沒有就嘉義西部的幹線就是可不可以想說就啟動一下這一種觀光鐵道的路線評估這方面的資訊可不可以分享一下可以這個部分沒有問題包括委員其實今天也有別的委員問過同樣的問題我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19215.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19242.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
大概是台鐵的這個觀光列車做得非常好大家一直希望能夠爭取那我們的這個明日號在整個西部走廊的這個規劃也已經規劃出來那我們是不是請那個總經理來回應一下請總經理回應一下跟委員報告我們現在明日號有東部路線跟西部路線那現在目前規劃的西部路線會特別把嘉義的阿里山地區還有台南地區都會整個納到我們的行程規劃裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19243.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19270.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
非常好但是其實我們嘉義除了阿里山阿里山當然有生鐵的系統在那真的是前陣子我有跟總統一起上去那真的是它的觀光的列車得到國內外都是很多的好評那是值得我們去效仿包括整體的視覺設計 藝術設計還有整個文化的底蘊都有在裡面那我們是希望說嘉義縣經過嘉義的時候除了我們既有的阿里山它當然是一個很棒的景點 |
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19271.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
19300.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
也要把我們的平原區特別是包含我們大林啊包含我們民雄啊這些都是平原區他們有一些特殊的這些地景地貌以及他們本來的這些人文的這個地景還有藝術這些文化的這些底蘊都可以把它包括進去那大林跟民雄也是一個重要的事項其實我們的主題可以非常多元它當然是我們有阿里山的話當然有生田那當然就是以森林文化這個歷史傳承的記憶但是我們也有農業農業的文化 |
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19302.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
19330.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
還有這個親子旅遊為主題的這些列車我覺得他可以做的方向蠻多的不知道總經理會不會做這方面的來考量一下委員說的說的這個意見我們都很認同就是說嘉義縣也有很多地方比如說南進唐場那這些都是地方很有特色的一些地點我們現在目前也是在推車站結合地方創生那我們希望也可以透過這個明日號等觀光列車的行駛把它做一個串聯 |
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19331.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19356.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
像比方說我們民雄的這個車站那旁邊就有一群日式的建築等於說他過去他就是有他的歷史底蘊在這些都可以把他納入整體的去規劃不知道總經理可不可以把這個課題帶回去跟這個員工們來討論一下好我們這個課題我們會帶回去也跟我們的承辦的旅行社一起來共同討論怎麼樣設計出那個套裝的旅程謝謝那另外部長我想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
19357.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19381.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
再質詢另外一個跟我們的國家的長遠的外交需求就有一點關聯那之前我們在院會的時候我有質詢過就是說台灣跟這個美國的關係是日漸緊密那未來我們遇到了許多挑戰包含關稅的挑戰都需要派我方的談判人員去美方跟他們交涉去美國那 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19383.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19399.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
直航會讓我們的外交人員 經貿談判人員能夠更快速有效的把我們的狀況來去做傳遞不知道部長有沒有考量跟華航來去舊華府的航向意願做一個重新的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
19400.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19425.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
是委員您在提到的這個是我們政策上可能有需要不一定是只有考量這個市場需求不是只有考量市場需求的部分那我們會跟華航這邊來討論看有沒有這樣的可能性這個兩方面都要配合啦一方面是我們要有國籍的航空公司願意飛那另外一方面是華府那邊的機場我們可以過得去他們也願意讓我們過去這個部分兩個部分我們都會來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
19426.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19454.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
我是希望這個部分是更加的以政策為導向那不是只有市場為導向其實過去捷克的這個執行可能最開始一半市場一半政策導向但是證明他是有市場效益的嘛那有一陣子是我記得是班班都客滿那我們希望說對華府跟我們對美國之間當然說除了傳統的市場經貿上面的之外觀光文化等等還是希望有這個機會來去把這個航線能夠建立起來是好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
19464.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19466.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
登記委員均已發言完畢 作以下決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19493.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19516.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
第一 報告及詢問完畢第二 委員劉建國 陳冠廷所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報第三 委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部盡速以書面答覆要去嗎 馬上到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19526.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19529.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
我們稍微看一段時間,這兩個狗就可以決議了這裡完了就,還有13 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19553.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19554.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
謝謝工作人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
19590.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
19606.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
19628.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
19655.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
現在就等富奎啦今天那個部長就已經先離開富奎沒有來之前我再提醒一下觀光署還有彥博就是有關於關稅對於國旅跟國際旅遊的衝擊部長早上有說影響還有待評估其實我們自己要先做好準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
19657.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
19677.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
就好像颱風來或不來,颱風有小颱風、大颱風、強烈颱風那我們相關的防颱機制就有一級設置、二級設置、三級設置那這樣的一個關稅對國旅或是國際旅遊衝擊,我建議觀光署還是要做好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
19679.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
19707.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
衝擊很大的時候我們怎麼辦那我們需要怎樣的支援或者是行政院的補助什麼這個方案要提出來了要先做好不是說到時候再看影響怎樣再來想辦法影響到什麼層級就有什麼對應的政策這樣會比較好了這是我的建議謝謝昆州委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
19715.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
19723.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
不是,富貴還多久到?沒有啦,他不是在那邊搞嗎?不是說已經在那裡了嗎?沒有在那裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
19744.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
19747.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
還是我們崑澤哥哥 速度比較快 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
19793.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
19801.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
謝謝副國務委員、蘇業委員補充報告王益川、林倩琦所提書面質詢列入公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
19806.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
19810.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
接下來處理討論事項一解凍案暨兩案請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
19815.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
19843.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
討論四項一處理一百一三年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計兩案一交通部函減送臺灣港務股份有限公司新增決議第二項合併業務費用預算凍結十分之一書面報告案二交通部函減送桃園國際機場股份有限公司新增決議第四項一般建築及設備計畫預算凍結百分之五專案報告案宣讀完畢以上兩案請問各位委員有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
19846.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
19857.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我們做一下決議 均同意動之提報院會再來處理討論事項二 人民請願案計12案 請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
19863.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
19887.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
討論事項二審查人民請願文書共識二案一陳軍海商法共參案二陳軍航空法律概念國際法的發展義書案三群議公司建請修正政府採購法第四八條第二項條文案四政軍有關酒駕修法案五民軍建請修正道路交通管理處罰條例第三條案六 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
19888.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
19909.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
吳軍等為電動自行車納入道路交通管理處罰條例案七張軍為肇事嚴重性予以調照等並重重量刑案八鄭軍為警方擴張行政裁量權建請研議修法導政案九台灣港務股份有限公司關係企業工會為徵訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
19913.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
19937.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
傳援法第五十七條之一條文案此台灣港務股份有限公司關係企業工會為傳援法第五十七條之一條文修正案十一歐陽軍衛加強對酒駕累犯建請修正道路交通管理處罰條例相關規定案十二林軍衛建議修正道路交通管理處罰條例案宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
19940.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
19964.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
討論事項所列人民請願案已經宣讀現在來處理第一依照立法院職權行使法第66條規定由本會審查應否成為議案有關個案之相關處理經過現場會議資料人民請願文書審查一覽表以及處理該況均有序明 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
19965.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
19972.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
經查個案以分別含請主管機關查付本會及續名理由第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
19973.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
19994.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
依立法院職權刑事法第67條規定人民請願文書案請由委員會審查是否成為議案之程序各位委員進行審查時如果需要經理不了解處理經過及細節可再詢問今天列席的權責機關代表現在進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
19996.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
20015.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
由於議程所列請願案均已有譴責機關做相關處理如果在下委員沒有異議的話請問有沒有異議沒有異議的話那我們就循審查人權的前例做以下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
20016.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
20035.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
個案均不成為議案依立法院職權行使法第67條第二項規定續名理由及處理經過送由程序委員會報請院會存查並通知請願人本次會議結束 散會謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
20039.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
20041.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
谢谢 谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
20059.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
20060.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
20087.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
20087.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
謝謝大家 |