| IVOD_ID |
165723 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165723 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T12:25:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T12:31:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b91330e99261e837fa5450d730950bdd7c8a8603fab3ff6def27849987ba386f8b6b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:24 - 12:31:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、農業部次長、衛生福利部次長報告「整合國家優勢輸出推動國際合作發展策略與進展」，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請外交部長 請林部長部長好 這有一個新聞是說美國台積電亞利桑那廠他的第三季的獲利只剩下4100萬元跟上一季42.32億來比剩下1% 部長你有看到這個新聞嗎 |
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我還沒看到他主要的原因是因為美國的這個廠的營運成本節節上升所以吃掉他的利潤那我有幾件事情想要跟部長請問請教一下雖然說您是不是外就是台美關稅談判的主要的負責但是外交部也是扮演很重要的角色第一個我覺得川普對於台灣晶片一直抱有一種歧視的感覺他最近在接受媒體訪問的時候他又講 |
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他說全部的晶片生意都被台灣搶走很可恥當然他講的是之前的美國政府他認為以前的美國政府怎麼會把晶片這種東西拿給台灣來做但我覺得他怎麼會這樣講呢台灣晶片能夠做出來是靠台灣的人才跟努力啊那個晶片換一個國家做不見得做得出來啊所以川普這樣講的意思好像我覺得完全抹煞了台灣的努力啊以及台灣的成就 |
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然後他就把說讓台積電去美國投資這個事情視為是理所當然因為他認為這很簡單只是他不要做給台灣他現在要把它搶回去我覺得身為外交部長應該要對這個事情講幾句話我常常看到外交部在發言但是對於這種歧視台灣晶片成就的都沒有看到外交部來說兩句話可不可以幫台灣產業講兩句話 部長 |
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台灣的產業對世界的貢獻就是我們的價值嘛所以以台積電來講大家都知道他是台灣的台積電也是世界的台積電他竟然在這個半導體的分工裡面他的製造力然後他整個的工藝鏈請你用外交部長的身份當其他國家的總統 |
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講出這種好像對於我們晶片我覺得帶有這種歧視的意味因為他的講法如同委員講他講說這個是很丟臉的事是講他們自己但是他這樣講的意思就是也抹上我們的成就嘛我們對於比如說我們對海吉也會覺得希望他爭氣一點嘛 |
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他不是那個意思部長你如果你解讀川普的話是這麼的是這樣解讀我就很擔心我們的外交啦我們外交部其實常常在發聲明其他的國家的媒體講了什麼或者是其他國家的誰講了什麼外交部常常會發聲明唯獨對川普都假裝看不到 |
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就是人家覺得逢美必亂我覺得這然後你的解讀居然是說那跟我們也沒關他是在恨鐵不成鋼我覺得部長你現在是不是有點做得異性藍衫是不是跟剛剛賴思寶委員問說要去選舉有關不會啦我覺得台灣的價值不是啦 該硬的時候該硬要你講一句話台灣產業會很甘心而且你的位置講最適合 |
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我們台灣是加持外交為世界創造更大的附加價值所以不是川普講的如果台灣那麼好去取代那大家就是兄弟爬山各自努力有機會跟那個美國那邊講一下我們是我們很努力才有今天成就他今天就算沒有給我們做他也不見得做得起來啦 |
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244.125 |
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就像亞利桑那州為什麼會對 為什麼亞利桑那州會虧成這個樣成本沒有虧啦 就是獲利跳水就是因為這個原因嘛那我想問喔因為現在台美關稅那時候我記得我也在這邊質詢過部長部長那時候就是信心滿滿啦就覺得我們很快就會有結果然後後來又變成暫時性嘛然後我上次也有問你暫時多久啦從8月初又暫時到了11月快底了啦那現在看起來應該這個暫時快結束了吧 |
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現在就剩下幾個國家還沒有定案嘛對我當然知道台灣啊印度啊巴西啊等等嘛那還要暫時多久 |
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現在就是談判到一個階段嘛實質的內容方案已經有一些磋商了嘛現在就是說這個方案可不可以不要每次都不針對問題回答我們現在是覺得到底什麼叫暫時因為我們都做好準備也都談判到一個階段了那現在的問題是這樣韓國跟美國談完之後是說要去投資3500億對吧那他們的做法 |
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292.774 |
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他們的做法是會成立一個投資委員會而且他們也有在考慮說送到國會來做一個備查跟討論我想問我們政府到時候談的一個結果會送到國會來 |
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該送到國會的應該都會循程會成立投資委員會嗎這不是我在這邊講的你可以講沒有 這個配套怎麼樣這是涉及台美的談判你可以參考一下韓國的做法啦因為我覺得韓國因為他很善用在野黨或者是國內的輿論其實對於他們對外談判有一個支撐大家是一起合作在對外談判那你現在政府談完了如果國內大家反彈很大那也來不及了啊 |
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326.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以你應該要委員寶貴的意見我想我們都會納入對 然後 |
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356.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
再來就是像政府一直告訴我們說我們現在有台灣模式雖然我們投資金額可能會很大之前傳說是介於日本跟韓國之間但是我們有台灣模式可是實際上台灣模式如果仿照什麼GDP在美國成立科學園區光一個台積電我剛剛就講了嘛營運成本節節上升那它會延待影響的大家的擔憂就是會不會掏空台灣啊會不會造成產能以及勞動力的外流我覺得這一些 |
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364.198 |
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都 到時候可能都要來處理啦大家都要深入討論啦 好不好好 好 好 謝謝謝謝好好 謝謝 |