| IVOD_ID |
165706 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165706 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T11:46:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T11:55:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913225f1f04cb26a1a0f94607883e6102aefa443352b7318b89f91eb0f286b10d555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:46:55 - 11:55:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部政務次長劉國偉、數位發展部及國家通訊傳播委員會列席就「如何防範不當之短影音及社群平台兒少內容，加強數位及媒體素養」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席我請教寶請劉市長喂好出庭你好好講好有什麼問題聽得懂聽得懂聽得懂聽得懂聽得懂聽得懂聽得懂這個 |
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抖音要把它禁掉你怎麼有這個思維的?跟尾巴齁,我們不是要盡量,而且...我們的...美國大阿的...齁...了解他...盡力他...不靠辦法打敗他...他...他很小時候...我們現在叫做AI內閣的 |
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我當時在經濟委員會 為了AI要給普及化 專民化你要怎麼有競爭力呢 不管小紅書 不管什麼 我跟你說 我都鼓勵孩子進入但是你說這個東西來著 美國金也金沒得 靠你給金的 想辦法 處敵 了解 最好靠我做爸爸的 |
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我們為什麼沒有自己的抖音呢?我們為什麼台灣沒有研發自己的媒體、自己的社群呢?你要讓孩子有這個自由創意,這是我們的優點我們台灣的孩子跟台中的孩子不一樣,就是我們的屬性自由啊!我們的自由就太誇張了!你吃金吃金,吃金吃金我不知道你以前在哪裡,我聽過一句話 |
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你幾年出的? |
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五三五三喔? |
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你看我差不多就講世代了以前我們都會看世本的有沒有?老鼠們都給我們禁嘛 這麼禁 那禁 這禁那禁 那禁 那禁 越禁我越想要 感覺?可能? |
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可能喔?那叫做鹽瓜腐出韭菜鹽白腐就出阿里布達 |
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沒辦法啊,你每天都在謹記,我們是用正常健康的接觸我們要跟孩子說這是健康,這是不健康,這是對,這是不對現在的孩子的世界,進入網絡後的他的世界不是我們所想的那個世界啊只有謹記、怒吼,你知不知道最近網絡、抖音裡面最紅的是什麼 |
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一些網紅 很多啦 但是譬如說 說抖音啦 好啦 說的最紅的什麼 你知道嗎 真人各位你不瞭解嘛 你要怎麼去約束教育制度 說叫孩子去瞭解什麼我告訴你這中小學的學生 真人各位最紅的什麼 你不知道王世堅所有的學校 你知道嗎 |
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小朋友叫我拿王世堅的橡皮說你能不能幫我讓他簽名我去找 因為我找王委員 我說拜託 簽一下我問那孩子 我說阿閑啊有沒有啊 我們班就是這樣啊 大家都會唱啊這現在的世代 但是你說他會很久嗎 不會啦一波一波啊 一波一波啊 |
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所以我們既然合成AI的內閣,我們要對各行、各業、各戰促去發展我們的競爭力,對不對?你全部都用金的角度,我認為沒辦法達到我們的目的,我不知道你的看法是怎樣? |
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各位報告我們事實上是依法行政我們是依據我們今年通過的九月份的資通安全管理辦法是各級機關尤其是教育部所屬的學校都不能採購跟裝備中國大陸製造的軟硬體自然就包含了抖音跟小手機那沒問題啦那是APP應用軟體 |
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在制度上 形式上 依法沒問題啦但是在教育上是我的嘛你說家庭的關係 因為這樣就跟我配合你 全部都跟孩子一起我告訴你 如果家庭就要結婚這樣你有沒有了解就這一點 |
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我們了解請主席講 這也不行 那也不行 那也不行啊我回去去搞好 我去辦他也行 他也行 他也行 只有我不行媽媽 這樣是要怎樣家長跟孩子 時間要怎樣去面對 |
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搞不好是不是要扶著孩子 尋找扶著家長我們有輔導家長 我們有那個工具包 對不對有有有 那個工具包我是跟你建議啦不要有意識形態的置入啦 沒有沒有台灣的油店就是醋油 因為我們就是醋油我們的蘇省醋油造成我們今天的孩子 鼻子比較活潑 |
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所以我們的競爭在遊玩還在如果連最重要的競爭和自由度都比A3這對我們教育來說是絕對絕對的負面我不知道你怎麼看 |
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自由我必須尊重 但是在教育的現場如果有些網址網站的內容 我在講內容違反到違法 我知道嘛 我現在在跟你講的我必須要去禁止 我在跟你討論不是你以法所則改去禁的東西嘛 對不對就是說你在年高新高的過程中對這個孩子在使用這所有的平台 使用3C的產品包括未來他要進入AI的世界你敢不敢 |
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我們結合但是所以侷限在我們的教學以及學習上面我們其他的並沒有解決並沒有撲破這就是太過單純本身建議 |
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因為孩子出社會後,他就進入三夾界,包括我們現在傳統三夾面臨到關水的挑戰經濟不只說產業要轉型,要怎麼轉型?我做很嚴謹的這位三萬人,現在轉世界的薪水越來越多,大家都在提升如果你懂得AI,進入AI,把AI當成工具 |
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那個時候全民都會蛻變啦,是不是這樣?並不是說因為AI的發展,你的工作機會就去到百十幾啊,那這樣是不是要對學校的教育就要開始啊?要讓他們有這種的概念,是不是這樣? |
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你們有做這種的結合嗎?有,我們有那個AI的各式各樣的AI教育,教育AI但是你教他要讓他會不會善用啊?是的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會的,會 |
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整個社會都是這種環境這樣好不好好你把你們對著這個孩子這部分的教育的設計跟辦法你一分輸給他們分析可以嗎可以好 感謝你謝謝謝永介委員質詢 官員請回座 |