| IVOD_ID |
165701 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165701 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T11:28:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T11:41:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913adb36aa45ff6236ff94607883e6102aefa443352b7318b89c5430e83854d74935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:38 - 11:41:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部政務次長劉國偉、數位發展部及國家通訊傳播委員會列席就「如何防範不當之短影音及社群平台兒少內容，加強數位及媒體素養」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請羅廷偉委員質詢謝主席 有請次長請劉次長好 次長好 |
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我們今天在討論這個影音對這個孩子的影響但教育部的今日我們看到報告裡面有很多是引用國外的研究對吧但是在台灣我認為我們自己的孩子實際的使用狀況是什麼還有影響又是什麼目前的資料我覺得相對的不夠清楚我就提出幾個數據大家一起來探討BBC中文 |
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有講出這份報導在台灣小紅書的活躍用戶大概300萬但是IG他擁有的這個使用國高中以下的用戶有89%有在使用IG82%使用FB |
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小紅書相對在國高中的使用用戶大概在30%左右所以我要說的是台灣的孩子到底怎麼用短影音怎麼去受到這些內容影響的狀況使用多久的短影音的內容去瀏覽甚至這些影響會造成什麼樣的一個變化目前看起來我覺得國內的資料相對不足也不夠系統化 |
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那我也要問一下你看喔我們用這個國外的資料研究來推估孩子台灣的孩子的狀況我覺得有一定的差距為什麼作息的時間不同 |
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因为我们的课程就不一样嘛孩子在学校待的时间就不一样嘛对不对我们是出了名的在亚洲地区我们出了名的是小朋友学习时间太长了好 课后的补习 |
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基本上小朋友都要課後補習還有回家功課的模式也不一樣家庭陪伴的型態居住的環境跟國外都差的蠻多的所以國內的實證資料我覺得非常關鍵那想請問一下教育部目前有沒有做過完整的全國調查來掌握台灣學生目前對於整個短影音影片的使用狀況各位報告沒有那我請國教院補充說明 |
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各位報告目前我們沒有針對有關短影音的部分來做相關的研究所以我們市長我剛剛講了說為什麼要用還有實際的差別你覺得重不重要重要重要我們要不要調查應該那您覺得多久可以調查完一年內希望可以再快一點 |
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加油好不好因為你拖了一年的時候不要說你拖啦你執行了一年以後我們才知道狀況怎麼去下這個藥來對症下藥嘛對不對那就晚了一年了對於孩子的這個媒體識讀很重要你知不知道有一群民眾 |
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國人是非常希望恢復禮義廉恥的你知不知道我知道那你知不知道現在21世紀AI世代媒體嗜讀就是很重要的品德教育之一對吧是的也是屬於為什麼他們想要著重於禮義廉恥就是希望品德教育嘛那現在的AI世代現在的媒體嗜讀就是 |
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把這個部分做好品德教育就會做得好所以我認為半年可不可以剛剛我說的數據資料調查包委我認為這一個是全面性的研究跟調查半年可能 |
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有點敢但是我再問你一次你覺得這個數據重不重要重要但是半年可以初步的報告這樣就好了因為我知道你不敢隨便答應啊半年你怕做不到啦但你知道很重要我們半年會給你初步的調查的調查至少你要有初步執行然後一年把它完整的調查出來可不可以可以可以可以我覺得了解台灣的孩子 |
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才能夠對症下藥不然真的我們再拿到這個整個都是國外的研究不是說你們不認真我認為有一定的差距好不好國小國中高中各個年齡層大學他的短影音的使用量還有每天看什麼平台對不對剛剛我講的89在IG82%在FB小紅書才主要是30%當然他沒有提到TikTok但是我認為TikTok也蠻多的 |
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有多多喔 我舉一個案例就好了我們在國小前幾年吧當你走進去 你對著小朋友經過他旁邊喔 你說愛你孤身走暗巷他馬上會回一句愛你不畏的模樣當你跟他走過去 你會說這是 為什麼就是短影音他們流行的歌曲嘛 |
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你就知道他們在流行什麼嘛所以他只是一首歌但是他的傳播力我想最近大家都知道嘛那個王世堅委員匆匆忙忙游刃有餘嘛也是非常非常的爆紅但是我要再跟您說明的一件事情今天也有很多委員跟你在講不是我們要幫Ttalk講話小紅書講話我們沒有要幫他們講話而是我們要知道整個使用用戶到底他的習慣在哪裡就講一個最白的就好了 |
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今天你是一個網紅你在TikTok拍的影片你會不會希望直接也搬到FB直接就上架會嘛會不會直接就在IG就上架 |
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會嘛因為他好不容易拍出這個影片了嘛他在TikTok看到有流量他會不會直接希望在FB也有流量會嘛所以不是只是封TikTok就好了今天如果你把他封了我們的媒體勢度能夠救上來我一定支持但是我們發現就是 |
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所有的這些直播主也好網紅也好他一定會將所謂的短影片直接搬家在不同的平台上架所以會影響到我們的孩子的絕對是影片的內容而不是單一平台 |
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所以我們希望他能夠了解那再來我要跟你講的就是說更重要的是孩子滑多久滑完之後有什麼改變我們要去了解因為在教育現場直接就可以看到怎麼說小朋友滑很久上課注意力一定會下降睡眠不足情緒起伏比較大模仿不良行為所以這些甚至有容貌焦慮影響到學習的一個生態教育部有沒有對這些現象做過調查追蹤 |
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我認為應該都是沒有的啦所以我希望一定要做我們有看到教育部有委託陽明教大在112年台灣中小學學生網路使用的行為調查報告 |
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這份資料有啊這份資料很重要啊大家主要是中小學生啊而且觀察的是整體網路使用狀況並不是專門針對短影片啊也沒有看到高中跟大學所以有做有潛力只是不夠紮實啊 |
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短影片現在的影響力是最高的變化最快的最推進學生的日常媒介所以為什麼需要更精準數據所以今天你承諾你一定會做是嗎好我想這個東西只有補齊了不管是對我們家長教育現場甚至教育部未來的一些政策衛福部也好抒發部也好我覺得有一個很重要的一個政策能夠指引所以我希望加油好嗎好的謝謝第二個我要說的是 |
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你們在書面報告有提供到現在有這個數位工具包的成效我們看到很多都是校園端能夠做的防護措施包括封鎖不當的平台平板的管理校園過濾網路的過濾以及提供家長的守護兒少的數位工具包這都是校園端可以做的這我真的要講別再幫學校老師增加工作了 |
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那老师真的很辛苦老板就是拜托你相关的这些补贴给他们多一点但是有一个实质的问题我们不能忽视 |
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小朋友使用短影音最大宗的時間九成以上都在校園外放學假日睡前補習的路上等校車的路上這些都是教育不管不到的啊所以真正累積的一個影響最後回到了影響到學校我要幫學校講話 |
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所以教育部要怎麼樣跨部位再來想辦法努力學校外的事情處理校外的風險教育部在今年5月14召開記者會宣布四大方案之一就是一個家長兒少的工具包啊但是你們那個時候我要問當時說到9月9月後還有嗎還有還有到現在都有對 |
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一直都會有一直都會有好那問題我們繼續講現在過了大約半年時間工具包相關的懶人包啊操作手冊教學影片我只能說很認真準備但是沒有人要看所以早上已經有人說了嘛你們這實際的瀏覽數實際的下載量你們有相關的數據嗎下載量有多少 |
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我們現在瀏覽量目前六月到現在有一萬五千人瀏覽六月到現在一萬五對一萬五早上不是有委員說三百多那個是YouTube的影片我們而且會即時更新所以他在那個影片會有六...我要講的是說還是很少啦有Google的有iOS的有Microsoft的但是 |
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整個看到素材整理的很用心但是怎麼樣能夠推廣出去你配合四大業者三大業者那你覺得他真的會落實嗎有沒有誘因這些畢竟是他們是商業模式啊 |
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難道你有辦法告訴他每一個在修理手機買手機的都會主動推銷要下載我們的工具包嗎有沒有誘因我認為沒有誘因沒有誘因你要怎麼樣讓他們能夠在推廣這個工具包更落實剛剛我們在講的活躍用戶小紅書30%你知道FB的下載量是多少嗎你知道IG多少嗎 |
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一定很少為什麼因為手機一買直接就在裡面了啦他是內建程式我們的工具包有辦法做到內建嗎不可能嘛但是有沒有辦法再跟業者好好的溝通增加誘因讓業者在第一線的這些工作人員願意推廣羊毛豬在羊身上啊我們持續溝通 |
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這雖然不是你單一的責任但是我們講很現實的你要利用三大業者這樣的方向本席一定認同但是你要怎麼用到淋漓盡致不是我有用了結果沒有推廣出去不是你的問題不是啊 |
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你們整理這麼好的素材還做了懶人包沒有人要下載有什麼用呢真正能夠幫助這些工具包我覺得希望能夠更加的落實不是透過iWIN而已iWIN很好但是iWIN是被動接受檢舉嘛能不能主動出擊這個部分我希望能夠再加強推動半年了目前為止我認為這樣的使用數據跟效果真的有待加強而且弱勢家長 |
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他們對於這樣子的一個使用能力去看到懶人包甚至他覺得用到一半他就不會想去用了啊透過業者幫忙主動教學嗎我覺得很難啊所以我要講的是這樣的做法有了初步的方向但是怎麼落實很重要請你加油好 慧德謝謝羅廷維委員質詢 官員請回答 |