| IVOD_ID |
165698 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165698 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T11:27:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T11:34:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913cad2cd6a72e70f8a558ea7a01fa75879fa443352b7318b899c2ab639a50d16805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:32 - 11:34:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、數位發展部首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長、教育部首長及勞動部首長就「攸關臺灣未來的競爭力，值此ＡI時代，臺灣如何贏得新人才戰？」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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主席麻煩請經濟部請經濟部秋球會署長謝謝還有國發會請國發會葉主委謝謝還有國科會一起請國科會的蘇副主委謝謝 |
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好那個我們都知道說AI現在如果要投入那種鮮豔的成本其實需要非常多的資金那今天我們主題是在講人才其實人才跟資金是非常息息相關如果新創公司或研究AI公司不到沒有資金的話根本沒辦法留住人才這三位應該都同意嘛對不對但我現在 |
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有蠻多研究AI的公司跟我反映一件事情他說現在有出現那種顧問顧問會去找他們跟他們說政府其實有很多有關於AI的補助可以去申請第一個他是因為顧問來找他他們才知道 |
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然後顧問跟他們講之後他們開始去查相關的計畫結果有的計畫比如說要嘛就是申請的期限快來不及了因為他必須要做一個計畫書嘛才能夠符合那個補助的標準然後要嘛就是他們覺得那個計畫的內容比較不符合業界的需求我現在想請教一下我們現在針對這一種 |
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AI公司的補助到底是哪一個單位還是說每一個部會都有大家經濟部有嗎有相關的補助嗎是什麼樣的補助 |
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補助企業如果說要導入AI或數位的轉型那我們就可以給他做一個是企業導入而已對 直接補助就既有的公司如果他針對某一個環節他要導入的話你可以補助對 比如說他要生產的或者說要客戶服務的導入AI那我們就可以補助那國發會有嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們其實前瞻計畫裡面會有我說國發會變在國發會裡面預算有沒有特定計畫補助有嗎有是哪一種就是一個計畫型的補助計畫型的補助對 針對哪一類的 |
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應該是公價還是公務對 公務預算我不是說公務預算特別預算我講的是比如說像經濟部他說他針對企業裡面如果有特定業務導入AI他要補助那你們是補助哪一種類型 |
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我們是補助跨部會的跨部對 跨部會 還有你又一直答非所問 沒關係那國科會國科會是補助研究案國科會主要針對科研的補助科研的部分但是對於廠商或新商那我請教一下如果是那一種就是自己公司投入很多研發經費然後要去發展AI的那種先驗計畫的就是他要做很多嘗試這一種的現在聽起來是沒有補助嘛 |
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有 經濟部有補助是經濟部嗎 你剛剛就沒有講嘛你剛剛講的是說特定企業要導入AI對所以你看我現在把三個機關叫上來大家都講得支支吾吾的你們都講得支支吾吾那請問一般民間怎麼知道有這方面的補助所以可不可以請你們回去好好的這個想想看你的這個計畫怎麼推廣好不好 |
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對不對 因為我剛剛舉的例子其實它是國內蠻大的我就不講哪一家啦其實是蠻有名的公司 他們都不曉得欸所以等於是你們自己本身沒有去接觸人家嘛還是透過那種顧問我也不知道顧問是什麼顧問啦民間的顧問去跟他們講他們才知道這個你鎖定幾家對台灣發展AI有幫助的企業主動跟他們說我們這邊政府可以協助你們什麼應該不難吧 |
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那個委員我再次強調啦藉這個機會宣導一下就是經濟部我們針對這個企業去做AI的技術的研發還有技術的導入我們都會提供補助那我們都知道有補助但是就不知道那個細節也不知道相關辦法所以很多企業都不曉得嘛我現在是請你們去宣導這個事情 |
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至少比較大間的或者是比較前瞻或什麼你們也可以辦座談會或幹嘛的嘛多多的推廣嘛否則你政府的美意就這樣子很多人都用不到啊對台灣產業也是一種損失啊好再來還有一個我想請教一下這個看哪一位可以回答因為現在很多AI他們現在最怕就是處罰嘛 |
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他要做那個模擬的訓練然後前一段時間不是才發生有新創公司因為他用了法學資料庫的資料所以就被告了那個是重刑耶被判4年啊7年這會造成寒蟬效應大家會不知所措啦請問一下政府單位對於就是模型訓練資料的使用的相關的學習規範什麼時候會出來啊這是屬於國科會的嗎 |
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速發部的速發部請問什麼時候會出來我們現在AI是在跟全世界賽跑我們主權語料庫現在已經在跟各部會協作當中那12月就會有第一版的發表你現在講的是你的主權語料庫嗎我講的是說它如果是用其他的資料庫它只是做訓練 |
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訓練的部分其實要仰賴這個智慧財產權法的修法那你們現在有在跟相關機關推動這一塊嗎這個目前所以就擺爛啊這個就是很多業界擔心啊因為他們要去做訓練就很怕觸法嘛 |
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我剛講的案例是今年五月的事情委員這一部分因為是智慧財產局那邊主管的法規不是啦今天主管AI當然是有一個主要的權責機關他發現這個是一個重要問題他就要去找智慧財產局跟他講說這會影響到AI的發展 |
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就共同推動而不是說問你們說那是他們他們就是他們大家推來推去那我們還說什麼AI那個就騙人的嗎這個趕快去處理委員這部分我們有跟制裁局那邊跟各專家也有在做推動什麼時候會有一個規範出來牛年馬月嗎大約是冬季嗎什麼時候我們在這個推動的這個方向應該在明年初會有一個明年初方向會出來好謝謝 |