| IVOD_ID |
165695 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165695 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T11:12:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T11:21:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913bfc30ec81eb92401558ea7a01fa75879fa443352b7318b891c8d1a4ee289610d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:29 - 11:21:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、數位發展部首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長、教育部首長及勞動部首長就「攸關臺灣未來的競爭力，值此ＡI時代，臺灣如何贏得新人才戰？」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請速發部我們請速發部 |
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市長 之前在質詢的時候我揭發了我們的速發部全額補助給我們的國家自動安全研究院為了醫療攻防演練OT場域建置的標案裡面有違法的履約有不實的驗收 |
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這個補助的經費來源雖然上一次被選的時候部長一直請國家自動安全研究院的院長代答我也都尊重都讓院長答但是部長應該要對這件事情有所瞭解特別是這件事情非常非常的嚴重因為前是你們速發部從台灣資安卓越深耕 |
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這個前瞻基礎建設計畫裡面編6.5億裡面的經費來的這不是資安院自己處理就可以了我上次在詢答的過程當中面對部長也好面對院長也好我把整個履約不實的過程我把它全部都談出來了12月25號辦驗收的時候 |
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那個時候簽程裡面的內容就記載不實了東西是舊的但是拿假的新品證明書出來東西是舊的拿納稅的錢結果履約的時候拿舊的東西結果拿假的新品證明書出來這件事情上次質詢的時候全部都質詢完了我那時候覺得很狐疑因為東西是舊的 |
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卻有新品證明書那個是用眼睛看就知道了 不用鑑定一看就知道這東西是古的卻有假的新品證明書好 再往下看那天院長我質詢的時候 因為我揭發完了以後洪祈昌發聲明罵我說我不實指控新潮流的大佬很厲害 |
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造假驗收還發聲明罵我說我不實指控既然有人說我不實指控那我當然要請教治安院治安院證實兩次驗收繳的都是舊的還拿新品證明書要蒙混過關我接下來發現讓我更覺得離譜的事情來請市長看一下這個公文 |
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這個是你們的公文裡面講因為12月31號確認東西是舊的還拿假的新品證明書要求廠商1月6號前完成改正現在的問題是12月31號發文出去要求廠商1月6號前完成改正你知不知道廠商有可能在1月6號前完成改正嗎警司長 |
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我個人真的不知道他們能不能夠完成改正你覺得治安院知不知道訴發部知不知道我認為訴發部應該不知道我今天質詢的重點就是要跟次長報告訴發部的同仁從頭到尾都知道 |
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我再說一次速發部的同仁從頭到尾都知道不可能在1月6號完成改正市長你現在露出了困惑的表情說我怎麼敢這麼斬釘截鐵的說速發部的同仁從頭到尾都知道請看下一張一樣國家自通安全研究院在12月31號同一天喔 |
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上一個函是說1月6號要完成改正嘛同一天發函給蘇發布發函給蘇發布啊說什麼說啊我們要辦經費的保留因為上一個年度的經費沒有用完要繼續挪到下一個年度要辦保留嘛在保留函裡面就已經講了說要到3月31號東西才交得出來 |
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主下角這個是公文公文上面寫得很清楚要3月31號東西才交得出來代表什麼書發布的人早就知道1月6號前是不可能改正完成的資通安全研究院的人也知道不可能1月6號改正完成最快也要3月31號 |
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因為沒有賀嘛他要3月31號東西才交得出來嘛所以我說速發布的人3月31早就知道3月31號東西才交得出來理由是在公文裡面白紙黑字就已經這樣寫了膽大妄為膽大妄為從頭到尾上下交鄉賊明明知道不可能 |
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在那個時間完成還在裝忙啊裝忙啊設假的daylight你要補正完成喔早就知道他絕對沒辦法補正完成但沒有關係我們提供很貼心的服務什麼貼心的服務我早就知道你沒有辦法補正完成了我早就知道這個廠商在胡搞瞎搞了但是啊 |
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國家資通安全研究院還很貼心的趕快跟他申請跟速發部說經費要保留市長你現在聽懂了嗎是你聽懂了嗎好我現在的問題來了上一次部長跟我說該怎麼辦法律上該怎麼辦就怎麼辦 |
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法律上該怎麼辦就怎麼辦結果你們回給我喊的內容我現在看到的是第一個沒有懲處啊為什麼不懲處因為現在廠商在外面放話講得很大聲啊我們從頭到尾這樣子搞國家資通安全研究院的人都知道啊他們從頭到尾都知道我們要這樣搞啊都喬好了啦大家配合演一場戲啊 |
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大家配合演一場戲啊結果沒有想到會被揭發這樣要怎麼懲處大家都講好了啊第二個也沒有解約第三個也沒有停權第四個也沒有移眾法辦我們的訴發部到底怎麼了我們的訴發部到底怎麼了 |
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面對這個違法的事情只差沒有跪下去而已啊只差沒有跪下去而已啊結果我們的部長在國會殿堂給我的承諾說依法該怎麼辦就怎麼辦到目前為止我們有看到啊跟委員報告我們內部確實已經在進行調查那也在進行這個簽辦的程序當中還要多久 |
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還要多久違法事證如此明確在國會殿堂被尋的時候都承認了沒關係還要多久我繼續等下去我們應該在12月初的時候12月初12月初結果會出來好第二個主席張愛玲我尊重時間請以書面回覆我為什麼 |
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539.685 |
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明明就知道沒有東西了明明就知道1月6號不可能完成補正了還上下交鄉賊啊裝說我們叫他1月6號以前完成改正啊在同一天就知道他不可能完成改正還跟數八部發公函一樣保留款 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
544.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
請你們書面回覆我 好好解釋好好解釋這是什麼情況 可以嗎可以喔 好 謝謝 |