| IVOD_ID |
165693 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165693 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T10:59:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T11:15:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913577d3e7ae68890c93be06babd869ba0afa443352b7318b89a5ed6df0179e1a205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:48 - 11:15:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「法院組織法第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「法院組織法第八十三條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員翁曉玲等31人擬具「憲法訴訟法第十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查司法院函送「法庭錄音錄影公開播送實施辦法」案。
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謝謝主席 請王富密也請我們黃次長好 請王富密跟王次長委員早大家辛苦了我想立法院該審不審今天來自食惡果而司法院負責任的善後補救卻是在這裡要被為難要被究責 |
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我呼籲藍白的委員 在野的委員們暴衝式的立法 修法發生在法庭直播的法院組織法上切莫不要再次的二度惡修把修法當兒戲這是我今天的破題喔 下一頁進入法庭直播的部分之前呢今天同樣也有汪小林委員提的法院組織法83條修正案 |
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也就是偵查終結公開起訴書的書類公開範圍呢它要擴及不起訴處分書擴及還起訴處分書等等 |
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我想當然提案的委員他可能認為就是要擴大司法的透明公開但是任何的透明公開資訊的揭露也都要適度為之不要讓司法人權在這些修法有失周延的思慮之下是為謀其利先受其害的 |
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所以說我終整讀了你們兩個部會單位司法院跟法務部的資訊你們對於法院組織法83條修正案也是持保留的態度對不對違反了無罪推定的原則恐怕會妨礙後續的犯罪偵查甚至也可能會觸犯到偵查不公開的原則司法法治委員會不是最重視偵查不公開嗎現在卻要惡修法律 |
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自己去違反偵查不公開真的要三思而後行當然最重要的是捍衛司法人權我們在公開的範圍呢一定要考量訴訟程序參與者的名譽隱私權之保障我所說的這四大理由是不是都是司法院跟法務部對於這個修法持保留意見的主要的幾個部分是嗎有沒有補充的部分 |
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就八十三條部分我們是幾個疑慮點如同委員剛才所說明的好 謝謝次長的說明那我們下一頁所以說司法人權要捍衛透明公開有其界限透明公開真的不要適得其反立法院更要反求諸己立法院不要雙標 |
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我們看看立法院自己有做到透明公開嗎還是立法院自己在修法的過程一再的黑箱呢自己在違反透明公開啊下一頁我不得不說這一屆的立法院惡例變成慣例了程序正義完全被踐踏這是我整理出來的這一會期喔這一屆應該我講這一屆期 |
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光用禁覆二讀的方式快速的跳過委員會零討論就表決的法案有這麼多我要強調我從國會助理到現在國會的工作也真的是二十餘年了禁覆二讀是議事規則授權的議事策略沒有錯但禁覆二讀有其前提就是第一個朝野有共識的議案 |
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第二個有急迫性的議案而不是腐爛的在朝野沒有共識的議案每一個都透過表決 淨富二讀而淨富二讀也需要有配套因為委員會已經沒有討論了你後面的 |
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韓院長 立法院院長主持的最終表決前的那個最終的條文寫上就成為最重要也是唯一的討論條文的場域他必須逐條討論必須負責的審議必須理性的對話這是進覆二讀的當然的配套 |
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可是這一屆立法院都沒有 腐爛的進覆二讀然後協商當天直接表決換言之 等一下就表決現在協商是什麼 就過水啊韓國瑜院長主持的潮雨協商是沒有實質討論的是零討論 只是過水而已所以這些惡果惡力都發生在法院組織法的法庭直播上更甚者 表決前又送出再修正動議 |
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所以這一次法院組織法 法庭直播我在表決前看到的條文又被改了黑箱版本又被改了跟當初我們試圖理解的法案又不一樣了換言之這是二上加二既附二讀 協商過水表決前是黑箱版本造成今天法庭直播這個法院組織法的 |
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為得其利 先受其害 而司法院努力的在撥跨榜今天在這裡還要被在野黨的委員責難成這樣所以這是一個萬惡之源如果法院組織法當時尋程序在委員會好好最專業的司法法制委員會來討論重大的司法制度的變革我想你們也不用這麼麻煩後面去改那個直播辦法大家傷透腦筋如何撥跨榜 |
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所以下一頁我們就來看看立法院雙標在哪裡啊立法院該審查的其實是法案議案行政部門依據法案議案去制定的相關的執法辦法事實上原則上是受立院被查當然也可以改審查但是重點立法院該審查的是法案 |
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而不是像法院組織法 法庭直播的部分直接禁負二讀直接快速的不協商就三讀表決碾壓還強制規定你們三個月內要上路當初國民法官法我們上路的準備期是多久兩年半 |
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2020年的7月通過我們上路是2023年的1月1號兩年半的時間涉及重大司法制度的變革他要有充分的時間來研議制度的配套但是立法院審查快轉爆充修法協商過水 |
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然後表決黑箱強制通過了之後要你們三個月內趕快上路為快而快爆衝的立法院要司法院來承擔後果啊那我們來看看反啦 這是反啦該審的法案不審現在呢 立法院反而要來針對你們送出來的配套辦法要來改審查 |
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這不就是完全亂了套嗎該審的不審然後現在來為難你們的實施辦法太過分了立法院自己的程序不正義自己踐踏了委員會的實質討論然後把受害者想方設法去補救的司法院現在下一頁還放話 |
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不合倡議就威脅再來煽動司法院的預算嗎黃國昌委員說你們法庭直播的部分他不滿意你們現在波帕王的這個實施辦法他又再一次放話嗆聲要威脅凍結刪減你們的預算來反制 |
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今天黃國昌委員就是法庭直播的始作俑者被社會踏法成這樣他不思悔改今天還在嗆說要把你們的這個辦法退回司法院然後他還要再修法院組織法這立法院真是怪了才化法不是這樣嗎自己為快而快爆衝的修法才化法然後呢出了包然後上會期修的才化法這會期再修一次 |
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然後黃國昌現在一樣啊 上會期修的法院組織法自己粗糙暴衝 現在又要再回來這不是把修法當兒戲嗎 |
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所以依據立法院職權實施法62條的規定如果相關的行政命令執法有違反抵觸法律確實立法院可以要求或廢止要求更正或廢止但是你們所送出來負責任的研議了三個多月的這個辦法有違逆法律嗎我們現在來檢視下一頁 |
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到底Life跟Delay Life誰在抵觸法律呢藍白的委員自己說法反覆自己打臉自己啊這個是黃國昌委員626的黨團協商跟627的朝野協商他都說同樣的話 |
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公開播送什麼時候是要Live沒有Live啊你也可以用Delay Live的方式去處理啊這種方式在外國實踐的例子還蠻多的這是黃國昌說的他當時自己同意Delay Live是直播的定義的方式之一嘛 |
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羅志強委員朝野協商他也說公開播送的直播還是有不太一樣的地方喔直播也算公開播送但是延遲直播也是一種透明公開的播送兩位委員的說法打臉自己請問你們的實施辦法哪裡有抵觸了立法院修法的母法呢並沒有啊在我看來所以下一頁 |
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這是我們當初要撥破網的地方因為爆充式的法院組織法禁敷二讀違反了各司法的保障不利於事實的調查有違無罪推定的原則也會因為輿論的公審來影響相關訴訟當事人尤其是裁判者 |
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的新政這都是我們司法院在制定實施辦法要撥破網的核心嘛對不對也是民間團體一直在說不可以這樣不可以這樣的時候你們是負責任在善後嘛下一頁所以我們來看條文喔你們的實施辦法裡面有針對禁止特寫保護案件當相關人的權益這何錯之有藍白的委員要反對嗎 |
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還是他們認為要直播要放大再放大把每一個人的特徵拍得清清楚楚讓每一個人訴訟當事人都可能受到社會的肉搜 |
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藍白的委員要反對什麼你們是保護案件相關人的權益所以才應該以單一鏡頭定向定焦拍攝不得特寫不得而且不應當拍攝國民法官嘛對不對這是我們的原意嗎何錯之有呢下一個我們也明定當事人對於法庭直播有抗告權就是為了捍衛司法人權尊重當事人的意願何錯之有嗎 |
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對不對 我們第八條修訂就是這個原理嘛再下一個可能這是在野黨委員說要退回的一個重要的條文喔就是對於LIFE或是DELAY LIFE我們波帕邦是為了避免訴訟中的直接播送來導致輿論的公審我們就法條論法條 |
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你們12條是依據法院組織法所修正第90條來補充的對不對立法院修正的法院組織法自己就寫了最高法院大法庭等等等等等應以適當方式實施公開播送適當方式實施公開播送你們的實施辦法的第12條就是適當方式嘛何錯之有呢為什麼要為反對而反對呢最後一個 |
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這個問題現在還沒有辦法解決雖然我們指定了播送的平台但是任意的剪輯還是很難去防範變造或剪輯而二中之二是立法院通過的90條他加了一項所謂的公開播送之錄音錄影不受90條之四的限制也就是他授權任何人都可以散佈都可以來做非目的性非正當目的性的 |
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使用 這是惡中之惡 所以我支持你們我不知道這個實施辦法最終可能被退回吧可是我花了一點時間逐條去檢視我們的實施辦法我們是負責任的在保護司法人權再去彌補粗糙暴衝沒有配套的法庭直播造成的對於訴訟當事人的權利的損害 |
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可能會被退回吧我想因為已經委員嗆聲放話要砍你們的預算要全部退回要再修法院組織法但是我們為所當為捍衛司法人權不分顏色最後一頁 |
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我要再次來放鬆這一頁提案的黃國昌委員不折不扣的雙標當媒體對著他拍在他採訪的時候他說我討論我討厭有人拿著手機對我一直拍他是立法委員他反對有人拿著手機對他拍當有人對於他的孩子做出一些可能他認為是在肉搜的行為但事實上基於公共利益你的申報要誠實 |
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880.248 |
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對於他家人的一些質疑他反而就雙標的說你們不可以對我家人這樣他要保護他家人的隱私我都同意每個人要保護彼此的隱私但是呢黃國昌強推法庭直播逼迫受害者的隱私全部被揭露標準何在 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
881.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
900.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
標準何在立法院不能雙標我支持你們為所當為捍衛司法人權不分顏色我們要堅持下去好嗎也辛苦你們了你們的這個直播辦法是討論了三個多月一程序在公告然後再 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
901.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
929.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
比起立法院粗糙的禁覆二讀協商過水黑箱條文的表決你們在程序的正義上在條文的嚴謹度上都是立法院應當向你們學習的對象才對但是今天加害者譴責受害人善後的人要被立法院究責為難成這樣我呼籲現在的中央政府總預算還被delay沒辦法審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
930.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
947.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
如果未來能夠審查又要再一次像去年一樣二刪二砍司法預算就是要進行司法的報復我要再次譴責我們不應當重蹈覆轍大家加油謝謝主席謝謝 |