| IVOD_ID |
165670 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165670 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T10:19:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T10:36:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b913bad2030bf27bc06c558ea7a01fa7587943079a982cb9ebe010110eaefe7530705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:00 - 10:36:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、數位發展部首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長、教育部首長及勞動部首長就「攸關臺灣未來的競爭力，值此ＡI時代，臺灣如何贏得新人才戰？」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請陳昌明委員請做詢答謝謝主席首先有請國科委 事務職委還有我們經濟部管部長還有國華會我們的業務職委我請 |
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那個國科會的事務職位站中間來回答我很少用PowerPoint在委員會執行 |
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但今天我逮到了一個機會剛好三個人碰在一起我要好好的討論這個問題也希望你們真正解決這個問題但是我的感受很深剛剛我聽到陳田威委員在執行南部大溪谷計畫的時候我們執委都帶著微笑是是是我會全力推動 |
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但是說到桃子苗大溪谷計劃在苗栗的時候你們都愁眉苦臉今天師傅指委我的標題很清楚桃子苗大溪谷計劃請國科會要勇於擔當勇於認識在這我一定港部長當經濟部長又當行政院秘書長我拜託也沒有一個去去去 |
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夏洛我跟你講過幾十遍了不要忘記我你要忘記我你就曉得我期待在哪裡那我們的葉執委你的劉全執委他卸任以前早上7點鐘給我一個night說感謝我支持國發會但是他跟我很抱歉一件事情就是職燃科學M7第二期的推展計畫他沒有協調成功 |
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你一上任我也請你來幫這個忙好 你說好 好到都看不到人影只看到綠色的委員你就是看到藍色的委員就好像都搖頭不是啊我們心態要改這是國家重大的建設計畫 |
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那十五指揮 行政院在113年9月正式核定桃子苗大矽谷计划最积极 最认真 最努力就是我们苗栗县我们中东景县长就开始发动 一直发动都准备好了在那边 |
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因為苗栗縣是創建西部科技走廊的一個關鍵他可以接連台中可以接連的新竹科學研究你非常的清楚這個是一個快保定所以我們一直在推展地方投資苗栗也是最好 |
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現在廟宇管有三個土地厚隆科技產業園區那經濟部 郭次長承諾而且答應了 會再實現擔任指管機關事業目的的指管機關第二塊 在自然科學園區以東的產業園區納入現在都市計劃通膨檢討已經在進行之中 |
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再來就第三點 自然科學研究擴大案就是自然科的第二期 目前仍然沒有主辦機關這個照說是國科會要做 但是我跟師傅主委 其實 |
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新竹科学园区开发 职丸科学园区开发我都有参与过阳文科 县长在当土地子执掌的时候我就参与过 他了解这整个情形我现在要叫你们国科会担任主管机关你们不敢答应 |
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尤其你新職課的一個留職長你的要不做就推出去 推出去真沒辦法做事情 去內政部請一個專家來給你指導怎麼做你不要只帶著微笑 我不喜歡笑我喜歡真的實際的解決問題你們都沒想到辦法要怎麼來改革我提出了一個方案請國科會擔當你們不來做也沒關係你們沒有那個領域也沒關係 |
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你們是科技人才 您說這個地方我不熟 也不要請那我請國科會擔任主管機關你們可不可以苗栗縣政府來開挖這個是一種方式啊 |
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不要一碰到問題不想辦 只想要拿國家的土地 台南的土地來做科學園區亂來勒 堆的困難就沒什麼改觀所以你國科會只跟大學那些聯絡計畫 領導在做什麼科學園區是大家打拚出來 也不是你國科會的你要推展一個大的計畫 要大的區埠要想辦法解決一個困難 第二個 |
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不然我們改由經濟部擔任主管機關由美方一線政府開發轉由國科會來給你們使用那你辦法也不會有人去想你們困難就知道你們不會有人做有各種方法來不然剛好這樣說我沒辦法做我要怎麼一直排進我也希望啊職客人要留職長換掉不做事情做那個位置 |
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啊 你要給我回答點嗎我給你提出任何方法你要不要回去考慮那個 葉子緯這個計畫裡面第二點如果改的時候你要轉給行政院啊 港府長我是千拜託萬拜託 |
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拜託你沒好 我沒想到你關車這麼大為國防部的職位跟行政院的秘書長跟經濟部長那些人 柳濤濤啊 理事專家這種問題都沒有辦法解決國家的大政計畫你能做什麼我們後龍的部分我們會把它做好因為我們已經 後龍的部分後龍ok了對對對對 這個我要感謝你再來竹蘭的 |
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如果你當過國化會主席的前政院秘書長如果齁由國科會擔任主管機關你們委託苗栗縣政府來開發可以不可以我就可以想出來 你們想不出來 |
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科學園區的開發確實是由國科會擔任主管機關但是那整塊地要是科學園區所有都需要的土地目前的竹南科的擴大的範圍因為有許多的是私地也有一些夾雜的公有土地 |
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整塊裡面出來了之後能夠做科學園區的部分其實只有一部分那這一部分要等完全開發完之後完成區段徵收或者是室地重劃或者是其他開發方式以後所取得可以供科學園區使用的土地你不要挨罵你跟我講我們都算好在等你你不要用這種理由我們專程來討論好不好我國外的主委來這個可以跟委員一起再來討論 |
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你自己說你買不回來 你走整個龍河林啦我們也不一定啊 你到時候來拜託我們啦是不然我怎麼說話啦 本來南部的你什麼都答應沒有沒有 因為這個部分在桃竹苗大細股裡面本來就有匡列那時候在苗栗所需求的所需求匡列進來 行政院合定你要把它推翻合定嗎對 那南部的部分是整塊的部分我會整塊給你 剛剛也有談過了 |
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你委由苗栗縣政府你們要多少跟我們講嘛所以我們有跟苗栗縣政府一直跟他拜託說這個具體的範圍要能夠劃出來之後我們會劃出來嘛還沒做你給我們同意當主管機關我們才有辦法劃才有辦法進行計劃嘛是那整塊範圍裡面因為只有一部分是產業用地莎伯給我多一點時間我這些事情沒說過請扯愛人好不好 |
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我再跟委員報告這裡面的產業用地只有占一部分也許占到百分之二十但是其他的百分之八十也許有一些部分要做公共設施有一些部分要做其他的用地那這整塊裡面我三百公頃我們剩下台灣的肉地八百公頃出來你說你不要靠海邊的我給你靠路邊的 |
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不是叫你們開始 開發費用的時候你們要的土地你們再來嘛那我們出了困難就用這樣來撒沒有 明明就是那些南部岸我困難一下子你們就同歸了南部的範圍 南部的範圍是300公尺全部都是科學園區那假設這300公尺裡面只有180是科學園區要看這180在哪裡我們才有辦法繼續後續的可行性你讓我問出來是 |
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你讓我外出來讓你們自由選擇這樣算不算但是你們的主管機關部你這個條文裡面我們還可以再談你們要多少寫出來你們要什麼樣的土地寫出來 |
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不然我們哪去動去都要用但是這個涉及到這個300公頃裡面所有的開發的設施不是只有國科會的未來可以做科學園區的部分所以它其實是一個整體的都市計畫的開發都市土地的開發我跟你講我們自己縣政府留有多少的土地開發出來的時候留有公共的土地給你們嘛民間的我們不動嘛你來談就把這個條件寫上嘛 |
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與這個主管機關的部分科學園區當然是國科會做主管機關你委託給他 大家講清楚 不同說大家要做的 我不行 那個也不行是依法的問題什麼依法的問題 |
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各級的法令我們一條一條研究你唯有給他兩個跟縣政府條件談好就可以了所以我們就是拜託管政府把整體的範圍用出來之後循都市計畫或國土計畫的方式來做開發這個是沒有問題的已經也有很多案例是這樣來處理的 |
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不然我們管政府說很困難 你們自己說不像去做主管習慣你現在要叫我第一步怎麼做 跟我講清楚是為了範圍出來範圍確定出來之後 做可行性評估包含土地所有全人願不願意參加驅散偵測或試地重發的開發方式願意 願意 你們都不知道怎樣行 |
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哎呦 你們害怕就對了你小時候來拜託我因為在科學園我說要拜託我可以簽了75%我才答應替你們推動一個月裡面超過75%是同意安全 現在人家不要做事了你們都不了解而且國有土地一大片在那一邊 |
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空著浪費 你自己想想你的立場不想整體發展的一個立場好不好 這個我一定 你要沒我來找你葉子惠 如果我要改變方式的時候你要報給省政院 那港部長會請你幫忙不要變有藍色啦 |
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南部的立委跟你講 你就笑嘻嘻的 我跟你要求你好像苦瓜蓮一樣 我心裡寒耶沒有 後龍我們會做好好不好 一起努力啦這個核定的計畫是你當執委時候送出來的嘛你當國防部執委送出來的 國科委啊 勇於承擔 勇於認識不過做行政官的一個資格啦 |
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會啦 我們都一直很勇於承擔啦 但是還是要依法來進行那好 下來關於AI司法部的 我一下子就好我把AI你目前遭遇的困難補充啊 主委啊副主委 要給我擔當 要讓我來做啊不然你調體啊 只能說得很好聽啊還有經濟部啊 |
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那AI新十大建設啊是AI政策裡面最重要的現在有四個部位抱歉啦 因為戴耳機我一直感覺很懷疑一點 |
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你们事发部是产业应用那由事发部来主导那经济部是百工百业落地的应用到底是什么两只车子啊一个是产业应用跟百工百业的落地应用我要怎么来选择什么叫做产业应用什么叫做百工百业落地应用你跟我清楚嘛 |
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跟委員報告 速發部這邊主責的是AI數位的產業登峰那我們會聚焦在關於軟體支付業這邊的能量的提升你那邊屬於軟體的?是 是 支付軟體業中級部的百工百業是屬於什麼的?就是AI應用在這個百工百業裡面比如說製造業或服務業 |
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所以你們這叫做站在附近的不瞭解財內 沒有地方去做過不去企業裡面去磨練去做什麼過你們這樣感覺過喔 我是一個這裡面很重要目前啊 台灣裡面關於開發導致使用AI有三種人才那技術開發 台灣是什麼問題懂得使用AI的人的部分現在裡面困難在哪裡 |
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就是懂得AI的人不懂得產業完全同意 是所以你這AI要行你的軟體要成要跟產業的技術一個結合你才有辦法落地生根啊是 是所以你現在兩個部門這樣在我不曉得誰在負責大家搶經費搶得很厲害私衛部的產業搶了很多錢拿了很多錢軟體的運用 來 |
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您記住AI最重要它在那個深度的學習啊所以你要懂得AI也要懂得產業技術的人才有辦法讓AI落地生根你現在曉得嗎經濟部誰對這個那樣現在要懂得AI又懂得產業的技術你只要去到工廠他怕把這個技術外流出去 |
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所以會遭遇到很大的一個問題 技術外流第二個 我如果AI機械人會了你不請我了 所以都保留起來 都套上保底這是我們要面臨的問題那經濟部 尤其技術師跟產業發展史這個地方你們要琢磨深一點 |
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我不曉得世衛部在軟體裡面到底呢 你軟體出來你要怎麼去應用要怎麼讓機械人能深度的學習好像人的這樣懷念好不好 注意一下啦不要一個產業的應用 |
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一個白宮白地落地的運用 我覺得這很合得來還能提升我們的一個經濟部這邊會有密切的合作啦因為我們從上游的大型模型錄下來你們都講會密切的合作 我看起來是各行其事啦 |
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就聽聽就好啦看我們的表現國家花了那麼多的錢我希望能做出效益出來好 謝謝啊謝謝自己講的太久好 謝謝陳昌明委員我也請主管機關單位因為這個都是國家很重要的產業方針跟這個 |
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藍圖必須要去執行所以在答覆的時候也請尊重所有的委員剛剛陳昌明委員說的是希望他的大細股到底要哪一個單位可以去當主席辦單位但是部長您回答 經理部長回答說我喉嚨我會做好 |
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他喉嚨就已經ING進行式了本來就一定要做好的跟剛剛陳昌明委員所提問的是不相關另外一個議題所以我還是在這邊主席台在這邊因為我們經濟委員會非常的溫和而且是針對於國家的重大政策以及執行大家用心的來做詢問 |
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因為這裡都有錄影錄影我不希望說答覆的部分跟委員的提問它是不相關的就要拜託大家一起為產業加油 謝謝接下來我們請 |