| IVOD_ID |
165669 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165669 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T10:14:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T10:29:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/972124280c86b91360db793b9a3103c5f94607883e6102ae43079a982cb9ebe0a083280c9df5163c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:09 - 10:29:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部政務次長劉國偉、數位發展部及國家通訊傳播委員會列席就「如何防範不當之短影音及社群平台兒少內容，加強數位及媒體素養」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席有請教育部劉國偉次長請次長 |
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好 謝謝主席 市長早安不曉得您在青少年的時期有沒有讀過少年維特的煩惱沒有那您有沒有煩惱少年時期 |
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應該很多 我不記得是嘛 大家都有煩惱那這本書我跟您介紹一下這個作者是戈德在25歲那一年寫出這本《世界名著》描寫青年的戀愛的苦澀跟情懷這個日記體的小說出版以後造成了全球轟動青少年更爭相模仿他的服裝最後主角在故事裡面寫了一封決別信告別這個世界市長 |
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今天教育部的書面報告提到特定短影音平台推送智商影片傳達負面訊息這些有負面訊息的媒介都要在校園裡面禁止那教育部要不要禁止學生閱讀少年維特的煩惱還是說少年還是維特在台灣都不能有煩惱了只能正面積極陽光充滿愛啊是這樣嗎是還是不是只要有人檢舉我們就會去進入iWIN去討論哇 |
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至少我再給你一個機會啊如果有人檢舉少年維特的煩惱有問題你們要去討論要不要進這本書啊我再給你一個機會喔你真的要這樣做嗎你確定嗎 |
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你確定嗎我們教育部沒有在禁止書籍的這部電影對嘛 什麼東西啊我們剛剛講的是這本書啊好 老實說啦這本書被翻譯成20國語言也有電影啦好啦 所以只要有人檢舉就要禁少年維特的煩惱這部電影是不是電影也不是教育部管的對嘛 那你講的好像哇 所以怎麼樣短影音就是你管的嗎 |
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也不是對嘛所以我想我這一點市長我覺得您的回應我很緊張但是我先給您肯定您剛剛有一句話我很認同抖音 短音能不能禁不能禁嘛禁不了嘛用禁止來限制青少年去理解這個世界是完全無效的 |
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作為一個負責任的大人我們要教導他認知訊息哪個不能聽 哪個不能看用這種方法去限制是可恥的那我們看到教育部呢你們是怎麼樣說什麼行動應用APP行動應用APP是你們管的嗎 |
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是你們管的嗎那沒關係那我們還看到這速發部還講什麼很危險老實說啦真的是不要把目標拿來亂槍打鳥啦這些大的APP的平台都有對資安做管理不要見紅就閃好像很害怕 |
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事實上我們要看其實一個曾經發文要挺戒嚴的執政黨被罵爆以後現在要妄想透過限制跟禁止下載APP來阻止學生獲得多元的訊息真的是民眾會合理懷疑這個政府是不是就是挺戒嚴但是現在怎麼樣只能做不能說又要讓校園裡面有這種戒嚴的感受跟恐怖為什麼 |
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我報告次長啊這件事情我們真的是非常難過也非常憤怒啊你們還有可能啊不只要控制學生的思想認知還要控制學生的限制學生的人生自由啊 |
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近期教育部啊發文給各大學要求學校必須與學生赴中國大陸交流一個月前上平台登錄並於活動完成一個月後進行事後登錄回報活動概況是怎麼樣啊連系學會社團交流都包含在內這份公文我告訴你還有第二頁更扯 |
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更扯 在右邊下面那個框框市長你自己看一下學校因強化自我檢核本部將不定時檢查填報情形列入行政紀錄以及強補助款之參據 |
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哪一個法條哪一個法條讓你們這樣做的請教次長教育部要求學生赴大陸交流必須自我檢核要求學校通報參考赴陸的行程法源依據是什麼你現在就回答學生喔學生喔 |
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首先第一個我們不是要求學生填報我們是要求的是學校來填報而不是學生市長你仔細看清楚喔社團也算喔阿什麼樣學生去學生不用跟學校講喔那學校填報學生不用寫東西學校是怎麼填報搞清楚喔 |
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知不知道市長你們的教育部在做什麼事情啊還要回報活動概況系學會社團交流都在內就是這樣啊報告委員我們這個規定的話是因為在過去的話我問的是法源我不要問你什麼需求 |
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法源依據是什麼政府要不要依法行政 法源當然要 我們那個自我檢核表的話它上面的一些項目的話第一個規定的話 不好意思我問您的是法源依據是什麼我們也跟你要自我檢核表裡面不給啊你現在要不要提出來給本席你不用花時間在這邊唸啊 |
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我們依據那個兩岸關係條例33條還有33之一裡面有提到學生要自我檢核嗎裡面有提到學生要填表嗎我報告 市長您看清楚學校辦理學生附入交流活動學生參加附入交流活動以及學校協助公關應落實至平台填報你有主持嗎你有說學校填嗎學校叫學生填學生讓學校來填這有什麼差別嗎 |
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學生又不是公務人員 校方有什麼義務要通報學生賦錄的行程啊學生有什麼義務要進行自我檢核啊這不是綠色恐怖 什麼是綠色恐怖還是說教育部要推給陸委會 已經在推了嘛還是陸委會又來我們教育部就照轉啊現在教育部到底是教育部還是陸委會的下級機關啊 講清楚好不好 |
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說實在我再強調我們不會要求學生填寫我們是希望提醒學生學校去有沒有在那些表格裡面有沒有違反到我們兩岸人民條例的三十三條跟三十五條的規定我們是提醒有沒有自我檢核提醒自我檢核就不叫自我檢核啦是這個意思市長 |
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我們是理工背井的 不要玩文字遊戲啊我直接就告訴你啊 為什麼我們在此如此憤怒我是代表學校 代表學生有學生向本席辦公室反映 |
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直接就被要求啊進行自我檢核啊學生說不清楚如何向教育部通報大家都很困擾所以這個繁瑣的行政流程是由各系辦公室負責學生向系上說明行程規劃再由系辦公室處理後續通報行程這跟學生無關嗎這跟學校無關嗎這只是提醒嗎 |
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哇 這強調 如果學生個案上面有困擾我們國際司一定會提供協助這什麼又是個案 這是公文發到全部的學校啊是的 如果各級學校 如果大學有意見學校有意見 來 個別找教育部這不是審查 什麼是審查啊這不是檢核 什麼是檢核啊我們並沒有審查 我們也沒有阻止他們不過去 |
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那就看哪一個學校要來找教一步啦是不是這個意思剛剛就這個意思嘛有意見的人來找我們這不是檢核這是什麼通案就是通案我們在立法院問的是通案你們弄了一個根本沒有法源依據的東西然後叫什麼有意見的學校來找我們有意見的個案學生來找我們 |
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這什麼年代啊我們現在在2025年啊不要想要去對這種什麼思想審查一紙公文大學雞飛狗跳教育部什麼時候才能做有點幫助的事檢核表能不能給我們我們要了不願意給啊怎麼回事啊我們有沒有要過嘛我們有沒有要過有嘛搞不清楚了我們要過你們不給 |
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提出來 今天會後就提出來好嗎好的 那次長我們之前就已經提過了有很多老師是不需要去提出這個機關同意的你們也去做這些事情整體來講我覺得真的會讓人家 |
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有一種疑惑啦 到底你們教育部是在搞教育還是在搞大陸交流的限制啊 市長我先對您深感遺憾 我剛剛真的是替學生學校我捍衛學生的自由 這一點我們一定是要盡力的您是不是盡力 捍衛學生的自由 您是不是盡力 |
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646.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
會的對嘛所以我希望您可以理解我們的憤怒與遺憾教育部認為我國的大學生會因為短短幾天的互動就愉悅堅守的原則讓國家失去尊嚴會有這種事嗎 |
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648.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
677.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
如果沒有 我們有自信為什麼要害怕學生跟對岸自由來往市長 本席堅信自由的土壤才能孕育出豐富的文化最近有一個文化逆襲的案例就是本院的王世堅委員啊這個變成對岸最紅的迷因啊人人開口都是匆匆容容 有刃有餘啊本席認為應該更加強這樣的交流最後一定是我們的文化在對岸發揚光大市長 您對台灣的教育有沒有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
678.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
707.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
有的有信心我們教育部拿出應有的態度勇敢的告訴陸委會兩岸的學術交流往來不要被綁手綁腳對大家有信心好不好那接下來我其實還有一點時間我想因為您是理工背景的對您深有期待跟您關心一下數位平權的議題聯合報這個進行大學生使用AI習慣的專題報導這個一二三類組的學生八成以上認為使用AI工具能提升學習效率 |
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708.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
725.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那學生常在使用上使用AI輔助啊那次長您來自電機系嘛這個二類組的科系次長平常有沒有在用AI工具啊有那都使用哪些AI工具CheckGPT那之前在課堂上會鼓勵學生使用AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
726.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
743.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
并不鼓励并不鼓励那这些学生都违反了老师的规则了吗没有好 没关系我们尊重每一位老师的想法但是根据联合报的调查就是八成以上在用那八成以上这些学生使用呢您用的就是最主流的CHAT GPT 95.3% |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
745.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
764.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我也在用我最近那個AI實習生寶博也串了OpenAI啦那其次Gemini佔了48%另外Microsoft CopilotCanva和Notebook都有市長您CheckGPT有付費嗎沒有那您知道CheckGPT目前的定價多少嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
766.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
782.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
不好意思這個主席我暫一點時間因為這很重要這學生的學藝我覺得一個月20塊美金吧很好PLUS方案一個月20塊美金您知道有沒有更貴的有有嗎有有完整功能的PRO方案啊200塊美金一個月告訴市長這還不是最貴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
783.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
794.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這還不是最貴的Gemini的Google AI Ultra最近有新版確實評價不錯但我們不做任何推薦一個月的訂閱費是台幣8150塊學生常用的Canva個人訂閱年費3600塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
799.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
824.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
次長前面的調查你也看到了只要訂閱一種以上的AI工具學生都在用每個月光是AI的支出隨便超過一千塊因此多數的學生可能會使用免費版我想跟次長一樣但是家境好的學生可能訂閱一個以上的AI工具完整版進階版Plus版Pro版Expert版Enterprise版 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
825.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
847.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
造成數位落差數位的不平等目前各部會我們也是支持我們也真的是給予肯定文化部發文化幣給青年事後調查確定能夠促進青少年接觸藝文產業達到文化平權本席要在此呼籲教育部您又是理工方面的專業您應該知道數位平權科技很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
847.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
849.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
具體做法可不可以研議一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
867.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
884.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
如果是屬於全民使用就不在我們教育部的權責我們講青少年啦教育部管的 學校的啦我們會去研議具體說法請教育部邀請各部會討論後兩個月內書面報告提供的本席可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
886.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
915.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
可以好 謝謝次長我想今天次長的答覆我們還是要勤勉捍衛教育的專業師生的尊嚴與自由那多位教育議題發生不要把時間資源浪費在政治操作去畫紅線阻礙學術交流我們民主要有自信我們的個人的自主的權利也要受到保護應該多多針對教育有關的政策我們剛剛就給你一個很好的題目希望教育部放眼全球不要把目光只集中在對岸好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
916.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
919.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好 謝謝主席 謝謝市長好 謝謝葛如 |