| IVOD_ID |
165647 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165647 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,19,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T13:54:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T14:02:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d165def957d2e5f7217119a7747a4c5c6ceb7a1b79e01d23951c9e0eb0984d72d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:54:24 - 14:02:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：11月18日（二）下午3時】
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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好 接下來我們請劉建國委員質詢我幫你記起來 你剛剛超過3分48秒好 謝謝好 請這個 人民會的主委還有公共工程委員會的主委好 請曾主委還有曾主委 |
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這次花蓮馬太安溪在歷經這個海豔鳳凰兩隻鳥的催省之後那造成關戶萬隆鳳林等鄉鎮相當嚴重這樣的一個災害各位都很辛苦那本席在這次也提出一些主決議也是希望諸位長官可以來允諾那第一個就是說我們馬太安的這災情波及到許多原住民的部落 |
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我要請教工程會跟人民會的主委是說中央重建匯報與馬太安西的這個事件從業小組是否有納入一定比例的部落代表席次這兩個 |
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中央的匯報專案小組原民會是成員之一原民會也是成員之一原民會也是委員還有各部會主要是這個行政院的各部會在執行特別預算的各部會所以已經有原住民的聲音了那受災地區呢光復鄉呢他有客家人有漢人有原住民 阿美族原住民有三個部落 |
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馬太安 太巴郎 阿塔莫 不同的部落所以我們沒辦法說一定有一定比例的原住民學者或什麼原住民來當這個專案小組主委導呼 我覺得重建匯報有原住民委員會進駐了啦有 有比例嘛 對不對好 沒關係 那馬太安溪的事件重建小組呢 |
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這個重建小組現在就叫做中央的專案匯報是匯報然後有設執行秘書有三個副執行秘書還有各部會分成大概九個組在進行重建所以你的意思就是說這個中央匯報裡面有涵蓋這些小組小組是不同的不同比方說環境部內政部這些組那委員的部分包含就原民會也是其中之一 |
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我只要跟主委討論啦因為我們太多這個在互見啦很多是在官員在看天下的角度啦那今天有這麼多部落當然原民會也是代表部落的聲音嘛但如果可以把一定比喻的部落代表可以納進來鈴鈴他們的聲音會不會更加精準啦更加及時去做一些反應啦內政部跟原民會 |
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都有到當地去辦理說明會了包括中繼載或者農業部委去辦說明會關於這個農田的這個重化或者是復耕都有當地一場一場的辦說明會了 |
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說明會是一個程序也是一件事情然後專案小組必要的時候也可以邀請相關的專家或者是當地的人來表示意見但沒有辦法一定比例當作正式的委員這個是有困難的 |
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博主我講一段你參考看看啦災害防救法第六條跟特別條例第六條都明文規定重建應尊重原住民部落與文化嘛對不對但現在最大問題就是沒有看到一定體制內的一個具體的一個制度 |
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這個要點是行政院院會通過的要點那要點也是執行預算的主要是執行預算來成立一個匯報那關於原住民的意見當地每一個部會執行預算的時候就會辦理說明會參考原住民的意見不會說不考慮原住民的意見我再引用一個引力你參考看看很多跨部的匯報當中都有納入外部的代表慣例 |
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包含實案匯報有地方代表廉政匯報有外部專家地方暢生匯報有更直接媒合在地的社群 |
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應該只要相關單位願意就可以了這個匯報事實上在執行特別預算的所以如果要成立外部我們可以列席邀請來表示意見或後來做一些討論但沒辦法變成一定比例正式的成員在這個匯報裡面如果主委答覆我是可以邀請他們來列席聆聽一些意見那我想就是一個進展嘛這樣就可以來這樣處理嘛必要的時候我們會邀請但是主要執行的是各部會各部會在當地都在舉辦了 |
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所以跟委員報告不好意思這個如果說納入這個匯報裡面當作正式承認而且要求一定比例那不一定是在地的原住民這個執行起來會有困難 |
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不是 我在組決議中也有特別提到了是不是重建小組中納入一定比例的部落代表席次但是你現在講說一定比例是有困難度是不是這樣就我們的要點已經通過了然後是各部會在執行預算的人他並不是一個在討論或者是說這個諮詢的匯報 |
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他是真正在執行預算的匯報所以這部分要納入一定比例的成員是有困難的 |
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那可以納入一定比例的列席代表嗎可以吧列席代表我們會邀請沒有不一定要一定要一定比例那到底是多少比例是有困難的大家當然是可以討論出來的啦所以這方面呢每個部會執行率算的是每個部會他們都到當地去舉辦說明會了所以那個如果任何意見事實上可以接納可以在那裡面來落實最起碼主委可以 |
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同意我的建議把原住民的相關部落的代表納入在列席的代表裡面嗎 可以吧原住民就原民會已經在成員裡面了不是不是 你剛剛已經打呼我了嘛所以原住民就原民會就是代表就是那個會報原民會就是代表他是初席代表他是代表對啦 他是初席但我沒有辦法每一次都有固定的人來列席 |
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我沒有要求你一定要固定的人來練習啦這個是你自己多想出來的啦好不好你剛剛承諾我這個部分就照這樣來處理嘛應該可以吧因為後面原住民的主委已經給我點頭了你還沒辦法幫我點頭 |
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我是這個匯報的執行秘書是我知道了所以各部會是成員所以他們各部會本來就要負責去了解當地原住民的意見所以如果說在這個匯報裡面還有不足還要再反映那必要的時候我們會邀請我跟劉委員可以承諾這個 |
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OK 好 當如果原民會主委也有邀請部落的代表來列席的時候也請執迷來協助嘛 對不對 我們會跟原民會來商量OK 好 謝謝 好 那程尚我要請問原民會主委 是我知道這個諮商取得原住民原住民族部落同意參與的這個辦法 |
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這知道吧知道好因為上次這次災情不僅僅是一個部落嘛有些事項是需要跨部落去處理如果僅僅是以部落為單位要處理這麼多事情可能會有些事項出現三不管的狀況對所以我要請教主委是不是依據諮商取得原住民原住民族部落同意參與辦法在這個關西部落設置 |
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跨部落災害 災後諮詢平台協助當地部落加快部落事項推動與決議可以嗎這可以 就是好幾個部落就成立一個跨部落的一個平台而且這樣的諮商會議是我能夠每次都做出這個諮商記錄然後由部落代表在重建小組的會議中提出納入災後重建計畫的審議之中可以可以啦 好 謝謝 |