| IVOD_ID |
165646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165646 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,19,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T13:44:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T13:54:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d18f9492b18e53deea7119a7747a4c5c6c662daff7a264498acfd5e39c6a8a3cb35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:44:32 - 13:54:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：11月18日（二）下午3時】
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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下一位我們請林思明委員發言好 謝謝主席我請農業部陳俊基部長有請農業部陳部長 |
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是 部長好 部長我們今天審馬太安溪特別預算我想這次針對這次的災害重創花蓮光復香 許多家庭陷入困境在這樣重大的天然災害我想我們大家都是命運共同體沒有什麼限時之分 中央也必須展現責任 |
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所以本席也號召了新竹縣很多的民間的力量共同捐贈物資或者到現場去救災那麼我們災害的我們這一次的特別預算除了要讓光復鄉的鄉親重回正常的生活我想有一個非常重要之點就是如何利用這一次的特別預算的編列 |
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我們防止這樣的事件再次的發生也就是說我們不僅要治標我們更要治本 |
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那有關我們這次這個林保署編列馬太安溪煙色湖整治的相關工程有相關的工程還有農業復原還有復原重建統籌協調業務分別編列了14.3億9.2億還有250萬元合計總共23.5億我第一個問題要請問部長的煙色湖的整治是否可以做到治本 |
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而不是治標我想我們現階段我們大概因為現在目前的整個地質不適合比較大的機具上去做降蛙的這個動作所以在短期之內我們還是用監測的方式跟預警的方式來處理可是中長期的部分等到我們的訊息過了以後那如果說我們的相關的機具能夠上到壩頂的時候那我們會嘗試做一些降蛙但是我要跟委員報告就是因為他三 |
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馬太安溪是非常狹窄的谷如果旁邊的土砂在崩的時候就會形成新的顏色湖部長 剛剛相關委員的質詢你都講得很清楚了我本心也了解只是說我們這次編的14.3億是有關於馬太安溪顏色湖的整治工程你的內容 因為剛才你講那麼多現在可能沒有辦法 基礎沒有辦法進去 |
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但是你這14.3億它的內容大概包含什麼項目你可以講一下我想第一個部分就是我們會進行就是從 |
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變道開挖先做變道的進行然後變道進行讓車子能夠進去以後機具進去以後開始嘗試做降挖的這個動作讓這個菸塞爾湖的本體的部分能夠解除現在目前的一個危機然後第二個部分就是因為每次下大雨就有一些泥沙會下來所以我們會在上游的部分做一些藍沙壩讓這些沙做一些阻擋 |
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不會造成下游的那個河床越墊越高那這個部分我想都是在這個14.3億裡面要做的是 部長我想因為時間的關係所以你現在講14.3億就是你剛才大概講的這些項目對沒有其他的聽起來好像很簡單 |
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不過這個是一個非常困難的事情很困難嘛所以我想你這14.3億如何的讓這個就是房子很重要嘛我剛一直強調說你如何把這一次的經費用在刀口上讓這種事件不要再發生嘛所以假設這不是假設我們現在很明確的問你很嚴肅的問你如果這14.3億 |
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我們這個整治經費把它花下去之後是否可以保證說就一定可以有效的預防下一場大雨之後下一場如果再下一場又是這樣的大雨來臨我們絕對不會再有這樣的事件發生我想我們花了我想花了這錢沒有人能夠保證說以後不會再發生我剛才說的我至少能夠減災做適當的減災但是不能保證說以後不再發生 |
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不能保證喔因為旁邊的這些沙石隨時都有可能再次崩塌那我只能就現有的驗測壺我可以做到適當的減災的部分 |
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所以這個部長這就很嚴重啊你現在只能減災所以你沒辦法保證說這個是類似的事件我們這次的錢花下去會不再發生就這樣聽起來很恐怖耶對這些急降雨不確定因素太多了而且現況山壁就有非常多的土砂它隨時因為大雨地震部長如果說你說沒辦法保證我要問你那你的監測系統是不是要做得很好對我們現在就是在監測系統會去強化 |
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是 所以你在監測有時候你要如何做預警我想我們在整個的驗車壺的湖面本身就有放一些水位計跟監測計的部分然後我們也有攝影機的部分那如果還有跟氣象署聯絡如果急降雨的時候我們會隨時去評估所以你這14.3億還有沒有包含說未來要去增購一些比較精密的這個也包含在裡面都會去做嗎對 剛才講的監測的系統 |
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好 OK 其實部長我想這個你因為真的要很嚴肅的去面對這種事情如果說再一次發生我想真的是全國人民都不能接受的你一定要去力保說這種事情不會再發生了這一次編了那麼多的經費進去我要跟委員說明一下馬太安西的上游本身 |
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霸體 馬太安岩澀湖霸體本身貢獻的水量跟沒有馬太安溪大概五十五十啦所以那邊因為他是集水區的部分只要是下大雨的時候就很有可能造成所以所以嘛 希望大家現在還沒有下嘛所以大家一直希望說利用這一次的預算編列下去農業部要這個啊要上緊發條啊了解我們要跟上這種事情不要再發生了好不好不然請問最後這個主席給我一分鐘我請主席講 |
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主席長我看這次的預算法定上限就300億這次編列270億還保留30億作為備用我看到這個我們這個本條例還有特別預算的施行期間是公佈日施行至116年的3月31日子但這個但書講說馬太安溪艷澀湖整治後續處理等部分項目則辦理至119年底 |
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都要請教你 如果這30億就是後來沒有用 你剛也回答楊群文說這個如果要用 要再編列預算 要再去送交我們本院來做一個審議但是你現在就是說 你這邊講說 因為我們這個馬太安溪的整治是到119年底 |
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那個整個條例是在116年3月31日他就結束了嘛所以這30億是不是不管你以後如何編都只能指定他的項目就只能用在這個馬太安溪的艷澀湖的整治項目上不是 他就是整個那個花江沙颱風的一個整個一個 |
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你這邊這個條例裡面的他不是只有馬太安溪馬太安溪是對 這個是菸社我從前特別條例裡面因為你講說你這個後續整治的部分則辦理至119年底 |
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那你條例即便已經失效了但是你整個未來的三十億你還在嘛所以我剛才問你說三十億沒用完因為這個整治部分是要一直辦到一百一十九年底嘛所以這樣聽起來你三十億一定是要用在整治項目上面啊所以你看三十億到一一六年止一百一十九年你這邊寫一一九年底耶 |
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119是指那個已經有分配其他項目在做宴賽府的一個部分那個部分他可以做到119年那就是270億的裡面所以這30億不限於一定是要做馬太 |
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對 不限於不是 不是它是整個整個那個條例裡面規範的項目都可以是 都可以啦是 所以如果說但是在116年度條例生效就是 |
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戒指之後的話他就要另起爐灶就要譬如說要凍二倍金或者是再按準備金這樣子而不是用這個條例我看你的預備金有準備你這個270億裡面有編一個15億的預備金15億預備金有有編是所以這30億未來凍製到的可能性應該是很小了對因為他還要透過預算程序再還是要重新編列是吧是才可以好 以上了解好 以上謝謝好 謝謝林先生 |