| IVOD_ID |
165642 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165642 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T11:16:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T11:25:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d191f1ea950a436f0256e0913f8e9ddf6f662daff7a264498a3696169a3617e29d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:42 - 11:25:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣中油股份有限公司董事長及行政院公共工程委員會首長就「中油三接案第二期遭檢舉浮報工程款項爭議」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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兩位早安我想今天雖然我們的主題是中油三接工程但是我想說因為時間很寶貴那我還是希望說把這個重要的議題我們留在一些重要的事情上面我想其實國家激獻我們宜蘭人15年的蘇澳分紅道的這個問題我想請教一下部長有關這個蘇澳溪的分紅設施到底什麼時候才能動工 |
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我們這個我要check一下但是我們現在已經開始在進行當中已經核定了增加預算也都確定什麼時候動工啊我知道那個程序上上個月就已經跟我講了跟委員報告現在正在做設計我們預計明年度就可以開票為什麼要到明年因為現在目前整個設計階段大概在接近收尾那相關的預算完之後我們還有一些程序新增21億你們怎麼處理 |
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21億 那院長新核定下來的部分因為對 這會在總工程經費裡面因為它很多的標所以後續會在各標裡面沒有啦 你們院長前一天才講你沒注意到嗎對 就四年一千億嘛 對不對這院長說的嘛那我也是對他這句話其實我一點不滿啦 |
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我覺得為什麼要要再綁到四年一千億因為一千億你到底是要用這21億你去卡一千億裡面的什麼東西到時候這一千億如果在野黨認為裡面一千億裡面有一點點有哪個部分編列有問題希望希望有要修改的時候你又說你在卡書號 |
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蘇俄西的分紅工程嗎這不是就是政府每次都在玩這個東西都是拿一些很重要救命的東西綁到一個大計畫裡面那萬一你對那個計畫裡面哪一個小東西有意見然後他就開始出來講部長我想請問你一下我想這次蘇澳的永春還有永樂兩個里的土石流這個你知道吧那兩個里有發生土石流你知不知道然後蘇澳的市區也水淹到胸部這個你知道嗎 |
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好 萬一你不知道就算了那我想喔 這個我們宜蘭人用生命用一輩子 住了一輩子的家用這個的事實去質問政府你到底什麼時候才要做 |
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所以上個月上個月22號我在這裡同一個地方也問過水利署長還有部長您兩個點第一個頭城外澳街道接天宮那個淹水達一公尺還有第二個蘇澳溪的分洪設施我那時候質詢這兩個就沒想到不到一個月慘劇就發生那我想 |
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我講喔 你看喔這次蘇澳後來發現有一個人淹死嘛那其實這個分洪道的工程是15年前梅基颱風之後就說要做的那當時是38條人命那96個人受傷那這個當時的產距換來的這個工程那這麼多死傷還不夠嗎 還要再拖嗎這是我今天不滿的一個意見啦那我昨天也有提到說 |
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那为什么不用二辈经开始先做先期先能提早动工为什么不能这样子呢你们有没有想过因为二辈你们可以申请土地征收这些我们都在做主要还是要先做土地征收 |
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對 還有漁民的相關漁業簽署 我跟你講啦依據預算法70條規定很清楚因正式臨時需要的話 得動之第二預備金然後今天 院長前兩天講的是說他要綁在四年一千億的預算裡面那我今天我去查了一下 其實我看了一下 其實國家的二備金還有六十億左右啦並不是說沒有錢 那其實 |
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我覺得我必須要跟全國同胞報告跟宜蘭的報告就是說其實現在二倍均其實還有錢那我們不能說像院長說的院長說我要綁到一千億四年一千億的自主預算那個部分不會影響到進度的問題 |
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那你們用二杯精趕快先動啊什麼能動的先動嘛因為你知道早一天開工就早一天完工嘛那因為他淹水是什麼時間我們永遠不知道啊另外我也想說要麻煩你們一個點就是副主委啊請你也要告訴陳奕德主委 |
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因為他當過政委嘛那他也親自主持過很多這個蘇浩熙分融工程的會議是不是請他要趕快動起來因為不然我去現場看啦我去現場看一堆人在跟我抱怨都是同樣一件事情 |
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說等了這麼久然後去年也淹今年也淹明年會不會再淹沒有人知道那問題是他們每一個人家裡很慘然後那個院長去只是說那個淹什麼一公尺還多少的我們就補助八萬塊然後問題是八萬塊能幹嘛你裝潢都不夠富了所以我有幾個想法就是我要求三件事情 |
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我先講一下二倍金的部分為什麼一直跟你們說二倍金因為我看到中央政府的二倍金怎麼用他用在幹嘛你知道他用在大罷免可以用二倍金然後看到監察委員出國用二倍金不是經費的問題 |
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這個結果該用的不用你們經濟部也搞了一個無人化創新科技實驗室也是用二倍金所以很多東西你們都認為反正連大罷免都可以用二倍金那我們認為一些東西能夠趕快做的你們卻認為不需要所以我跟你講最後我跟你說我們要求三件事情就是說我們希望 |
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我們希望說不要一直再拖下去對 我們沒有拖不要一直再拖下去 這個不是經費的問題經費已經有了也不要跟我們講說什麼什麼要綁到什麼四年一千億那邊去啦我覺得很多東西緩不濟急而且人命的 我跟你講部長 你再講再多 人民不會甩你啦人民只看有沒有死人啦有家有沒有淹水啦你在那邊跟他講一大堆五四三的沒有人會理你嘛對不對 因為你今天 |
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我覺得陳金德政委叫了幾個政治人物在當地講了一堆就你覺得人民理他嗎人民只說那為什麼我家還在煙他們只在意這個點為什麼十幾年前就提出來的工程到今天還看不到樣子人民只在乎這個點你跟人民講再多 |
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沒有人理你 就像你剛剛回覆其他人的答詢一樣你說我們這個台積電出去 這個是什麼樣 這個技術怎麼樣沒有人會甩你 我只知道護國神山被搬走好 那第二個齁我還是希望齁 工程能夠趕快做因為我跟你講 趕快做 不要拖因為這個非常的重要 |
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政府現在還有錢可以用啦不管是救災 不管是工程其實我們還有二倍金可以用那依據這個預算法的規定這個時候用其實是沒有問題因為我們提出來之後又有一堆無腦的網軍就跑來罵說二倍金可以濫用嗎不對喔 依據預算法二倍金在遇到國家正式的緊急狀況就可以用我們國家不能這樣對美採購武器 對美投資 |
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幾千億上兆 照單全收但對於我們的國民對於我們的年金斤斤計較不能這樣子嘛我們政府不能這樣對待我們的人民啊你拿到的錢都是人民繳稅好 那拜託土地徵收 用地土地徵收還有漁民的補償現在已經在進行 |
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那如果有需要冬日二倍金的部分請問一下你們會不會在本週就行文給行政院沒有 還不需要好 你認為不需要那所有這些相關的救災這個都不用嘛你的意思就是這樣相關的工程 相關救災目前都沒有緊急狀況都不需要用到也沒有資金的缺口你的意思是這樣吧好 謝謝部長這樣我了解了好 謝謝這種話你也敢講 |