| IVOD_ID |
16564 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16564 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-02T08:30:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-02T12:54:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:23:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2de38e399d34f1f0d858d85e2d08749d246e2c503bbdfdf4b6d19c198213abac805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（詢答及處理）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:32 - 12:54:00 |
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報告委員會初期委員10人已足法定人數好我們現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期外交及國防委員會第四次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年三月十九日星期三上午九時至十二時三十五分地點紅樓森林議會議室出席委員盧美玲等十人列席委員鍾嘉斌等十六人請教委員林益君列席人員國防部部長顧立雄及所屬人員主席省召集委員博洋報告是詳易宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
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二、邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況及四連期國防總檢討並備質詢國防部部長顧立雄整合評估施施長描繪分報告委員羅敏林等16人質詢均由國防部部長顧立雄全民防衛動員署署長李定忠軍備局局長林文祥 |
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陸軍司令部參謀長陳建義及海軍司令部參謀長邱俊榮等即席答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二委員所提口頭及書面質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請國防部與二周內已書面答覆本會全體委員並赴日本會委員另指定期限者從其所定三委員林毅君、蘇清泉及黃王威等三人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報宣讀完畢 |
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好那我們今天人夠所以請問在場委員對上次會議的議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正之處沒有好那議事錄確定請議事委員宣讀報告及討論事項 |
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報告事項 邀請國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況並被質詢 討論事項審查一百一十四年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金作業基金詢答及處理一國軍退儲役官兵安置基金二榮民醫療作業基金宣讀完畢謝謝那我們現在來先介紹在場委員陳永康委員 |
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許巧欣委員羅梅玲委員林楚英委員好那我們介紹與會的官員吼我們今天是退府會的夜報還有基金吼那我們這個我們的主委嚴德發主委我們的副主任委員傅政成副主任委員陳靜廣副主任委員吳志揚 |
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我們的主命檢視風綜合規劃處處長利以剛服務照護處處長曹東發救養護處處長周星國就學就業處處長池玉蘭就醫保健處處長劉俊政事業管理處處長楊長政 |
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退除己夫處處長羅馬可行政管理處處長張光宇人事處處長吳彥均政風處處長王文信會計處處長蔡靜滿統計資訊處處長張志強法規會執行秘書陳靜茹 |
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好那麼還有今天這個榮總的這一個同仁台北榮總的院長陳維銘台中榮總院長傅雲慶高雄榮總院長陳金順屏東榮總院長王瑞祥台北榮總蘇澳分院的代理院長熊孟平台北榮總桃園分院院長彭佳勳 |
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台北榮總新竹分院院長陳曾基台北榮總育理分院院長胡宗明台中榮總埔里分院院長張仁義台中榮總嘉義分院院長陳振榮高雄榮總台南分院鄭明芳執訓中心主任關永忠 |
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新晉農場代理廠長王仁柱我們的福壽山農場的代理廠長董少明武陵農場的廠長羅瑩洋彰化農場廠長胡發濤台東農場的廠長高國書農民工程股份有限公司清算人代表楊長正 |
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榮民融券基金會秘書長李世國行政院主席總署的基金預算處的科長謝敏捷 |
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好 謝謝那我們本日會議我們是邀請這個退伏會的這個來報告業務概況並被質詢那因為同時我們今天審查這個114年度附屬單位預算關於退伏會主管的非營業基金兩項的作業基金案那我們就請原主委就業務概況及預算案兩個分別進行報告 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好承蒙各位委員先進上會期對本會各項施政工作的指導跟支持謹致崇高的敬意回顧過去一年本會陸力推動各項服務照顧工作 |
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未来对麦总统健康台湾的政策指导及因应农民高龄化趋势引进智慧科技发展先进医疗技术充实农家能量导入智慧照顾营造长者优质预养环境并为照顾青壮退出役官兵积极办理就学就业辅导扩大产学产训合作稳定就业以安定经济生活以下就本会核心工作 |
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就醫等各項執行現況與未來工作重點向各位委員再要報告 |
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工作执行现况创新医疗精进长照留任医师守护偏乡发展尖端智慧医疗提升医疗技术水准台北台中高雄荣总均已设置细胞治疗GDP实验室台北及台中荣总为全国八家合格执行健保抗体细胞治疗的医学中心并台中荣总有两项全球第一及十项全国第一细胞治疗临床实验 |
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台北荣总建置全球第14座重粒子癌症治疗中心并与美国梅约医学中心开展重粒子医疗基础研究为台美合作创造更高的成就也为全球癌症治疗做出重要的贡献 |
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各级容院为积极疏解急诊室占留率优化手术室加护病房及一般病床使用的效率设置急诊后送专属病房提供出院一站式服务有效改善急诊住院占留率例如台北龙总急诊流管区空间大设置急诊专属加护病房 |
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调节急诊病人另外台中荣总统一签床作业成立门诊治疗中心建置急诊病人就医历程管理系统各级荣院就能有效缩解急诊战略台中荣总成立全台唯一的达文西全计划观摩中心唯创手术达到将近7000例第五项请参阅请翻词页 |
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新增12项新南向国家合作意向书备忘录三所荣总国际医疗服务人数即一万两千余人次提升我国医疗在国际社会的人见度让美国新闻周刊Newsweek公布2025年全球前250家最佳医院台北荣总是连续两年全台唯一上榜的医院 |
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周全高龄友善照顾精进长照医疗整合各级农业提供85岁以上高龄长者设有农民专属服务柜台农家住民专则就于绿色通道另外四所农种提供75岁以上农民优先挂号批价与牵床服务 |
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也设立24个社区社区式日照中心291处施治社区及预防延缓适能据点推动高龄医学整合性照护协助2757位出院个案及时衔接长照服务设置住宿式长照机构及护理之家导入智慧床垫等科技开发居家医疗整合照护服务平台整合医疗社区式长照与居家服务照护 |
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第四請參閱加強偏鄉補助獎勵提高偏鄉志願能量自一百一三年一月一號起已將預理公民台中分院特約醫師診療報酬每診次調高為五千元衛福部偏鄉醫師留院獎勵計劃補助偏鄉醫院監管事業本會統籌款補助榮總分院科經營團隊醫師每年每人一百八十萬元 |
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发展多元照顾模式 优化住宿机构服务 善尽社会责任 共享服务资源113年底 农家整体床位占床率达80.42% 农家开放一般民众床位有1691床积极作为提升占床的成效 实现资源共享 |
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配合政府整体福利的政策农家成立关怀据点板桥等五所农家附设日照中心马兰农家、屏东农家安置地方政府转介身心障碍民众有300条结合社会慈善共创温馨农家 |
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高雄等三所农家甚至非营利幼儿园共收托160位幼儿透过老幼共学、世代共荣、活化农家环境设施透过共荣社会化、扩展社会交流、农家规划各项文康竞赛等活动串联慈善志工、益助关怀服务与长者互动共乐 |
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接班事業引進智慧科技升級健康照護板橋榮嘉引進AI零接觸智能照護系統參加衛生研究院113年度機構導入智慧科技應用與高靈照顧計畫榮獲優良獎 |
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完善访事关怀照顾强化多元服务效能113年将现有荣兴志工3184个人编成114个队绵密连接社会资源协力推动就学等工作并对单身独居或双老家庭的特交需照顾荣民券主动协助公设不活动侦测器及跌倒侦测器至远距居家照顾系统强化荣民券居家安全保障 |
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综合考量各荣福处服务人力比例与各县市服务区的服务员检讨充实服务人力及责任区域调整增加招募退出于官兵担任社区志愿服务组长21位及200位志工落实照顾经济者弱势主动开办荣民及宜眷微型保险理赔最高30万元 |
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今年將提高納保人數到8000人以擴大投保成效提升學歷、打造技能、適性輔導投入職場辦理推薦就讀二專、二技、四技及大學並提供就學進修補助協助提升專業智能協助退出役官兵規劃職涯發展方向辦理職業適性評量職涯諮詢、借貼官兵、職涯探索人 |
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成功推介就業需求官兵11171人次就業為協助退出役官兵及眷屬提升職技能力協助就創業執行中心規劃辦理各職類的訓練班隊另為鼓勵在地訓練在地就業提供職人訓補助測試退出役官兵可依個人職涯規劃選擇參加公告補助訓練班隊訓惠就業率100% |
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113年辦理照護員訓練結訓前並邀請醫療照護相關機構辦理盜辦徵才未來是衛福部護理人員法修法通過後本會將配合配訓護理處理員積極走訪各縣市大專院校及優質企業推動產學合作班今年將開發高階人才碩士產學合作資源擴大產學合作成效 |
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依用人企業資源基準規劃產訓合作訓練的課程就業率100%開拓農場經營發展提升事業營運績效113年因地震颱風因素影響民眾赴農場休憩的意願並推出住戶特惠 |
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等相关的方案参加国内万旅长积极行销113年旅客数仍达近135万人依观光族统计清净农场为国内最受欢迎农场评比第一名三次业为提供舒适安全旅游环境113年即投入4.5亿元完成清净农场麻树秀的场地等整修完成宜兰站 |
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等委託民間廠商經營道商以多元化經營農場創造地方繁榮進進投資事業營運目標113年稅前營運71億元較113年同期成長11億元達全年目標133.37%安置率41.9%超過本會持股率33.17% |
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未来工作重点的规划以推动尖端精准医疗发展创新智慧服务台北文总与国际扬名交通大学合作设置加速器型膨中子补货治疗仪于118年启用成为全球唯一同时提供重粒子与膨中子治疗的医院有效增加癌症治疗量能 |
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台中农种植子治疗中心在115年2月21号竣工提供国家级癌症医疗服务提升中部地区癌症治疗水准 |
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2717.581 |
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各級容業發展高齡病房智慧醫療模式及高齡整合門診智慧醫療服務逐步建立人工智慧演算平台與深層式人工智慧應用擴大科技投資降低醫療工作負荷台中榮總與鴻海集團合作 |
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开发AI护理机器人于2025年辉达GTC大会首次亮相结合纵容数据跟黄海的技术协助护理师处理病房导引等日常重复性的工作预计可以减少30%的护理工时争取提高医治待遇充实偏乡医疗人力以健勤卫护部检讨修订 |
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2759.729 |
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公立衛生醫療機構特約兼任醫師診療報酬知己數額表的知己數額上限以獲衛福部支持援助民族及離島地區醫事公費生分方服務的專案認定配援地區醫院新增育理鳳林及台東分院 |
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简化就医理培流程提升便民服务效能各荣总局分院已全面与受选工会完成签约台北荣总局开发2.0版自动借阶系统直接传输民众授权提供的医疗资料其余荣院在今年4月起陆续全面推行2.0版 |
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营造友善高龄环境建构安老一养家园推动提升私自照顾量能强造万我园区中层计划使农家成为全国结合安养养护及私自照顾最优质的综合型机构 |
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今年导入智慧床垫828床预计在117年将剩余养护床均改用智慧床垫今年预划也将荣家养护的手动护理床全数汰换为电动护理床呼吁重度养护自动翻身床打造住民舒适安全的一氧环境 |
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為完善各農家無線網路基礎設施113年已完成台北等8所農家建置的工作今年持續推進板橋等另外8所農家Wi-Fi無線網路建置藉由16所農家Wi-Fi無線網路全數完成建置奠定智慧科技照護運用的基礎運用大數據分析以建立精準照護模式各農家持續配合 |
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荣总荣家急诊远距医疗品质提升计划透过建构完善视讯软体超音波设备进驻荣家进行双向远距医疗咨询服务减少荣家住民外送就医造福荣家厂辈得到最及时妥适的照顾 |
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第五 争取委外护理以约用方式禁用并规划合理薪资友善职场等相关措施期望提升护理人员稳定性及农家照顾的品质第六 请参阅创新安心育老平台强化孤老服务照顾研制育娶童工全员整合照顾沟通协作的平台本会参与2024总统杯黑客森竞赛 |
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融合賴總統班政卓越團隊未來以本會原來的服務照顧訪視系統和平台導入創新的安心育老行動科技協作平台有效整合在地資源鏈接公私立部門等管理醫療長照社會福利等機關與家屬 |
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并辅以独居及双老家庭荣名卷装设的远距居家照顾系统及跌倒侦测设备借新系统的开发以服务对象需求更能提供多元化、即时性、个别化的服务扩大房宿的量能达到一点生变、多点资源服务理念第二项请参阅 |
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推動居民專長轉型快速融入職場脈動從113年7月起規劃退職與官兵居民專長轉型作業編成跨部會專業工作小組全案預計在今年5月底 |
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进行采购作业115年12月完成伪商建制居民专长转型对照表116年1月1号正式启用各容服务将可透过平台协助退出役官兵依其专长查询适合转型的民间职业 |
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2996.057 |
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优化油气环境管理促进永续经营发展经营今年继续投入1.49亿元优化农场各项服务同步办理七兰等伟多民间厂商经营造商预计可引进6亿元资金提升农场油气与环境优化工作促进观光与农业的双重发展 |
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3023.973 |
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配合2050年净零排放政策及达成减碳目标清净农场率先完成温室气体盘查第三方验证作业董会转投资客运业115年4月完成盘查登录积极推动公车电动化提升减碳成效农场盘点规划潜在造林及碳汇目标致力于净零排放兼顾生态保育与经济效益的双赢 |
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配合公司治理环境永续等法规精进持续办理转投资失业人员在职进修进行各项政策宣导掌握营运状况提升经营绩效 |
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坚定荣民爱国意识宣导维护国家安全中共近期借多重手段强化对台工作企图吸收拉拢我国现役退役军人利用黑道帮派地下钱庄掩护公司公庙团体民间社团五大管道透由退役拉拢现役网络勾连金钱利诱债务胁迫等四大手法及国家认同等认知作战 |
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造成国安风险本会制作宣导资料持续深化退役军人爱国意识运用现有宣导的机制肯谈会等时机加强宣导提醒客专现行相关的法规维护国家安全深化国际退协交流扩展互访友好盟谊本会致力于加强与国际退伍军人组织的合作透过参访 |
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退府机构宣扬从公报勋理念提升我国国际认同与能见度因地缘政治变化积极拓展民主人权价值友邦合作协议为我国在国际间发声协议退出于官兵的辅导安置是长期联系性的工作因高龄社会的需求提升长寿能量外并融合智慧科技 |
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高点医学与照顾体系跨域的整合导致安心日老月龄共好全人照顾同时不断精进各项就学就业就医就养及生活照顾无误的措施致力让曾经为国奉献的特殊观念拥有国家最优质最完善的照顾以上报告敬请各位委员先进不吝指教祝各位委员先进健康如意报告完毕接续 |
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3166.339 |
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接續做本會114年度附屬單位預算的報告本會為落實政府賦予妥善照顧退出役官兵的政策設置有國軍退出役官兵安置基金以及農民醫療作業基金113年度依基金的收支保管應用辦法及營運目標審慎執行的結果勝於 |
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分别为19亿444万9千元及50亿8010万9千元接续请本会会议会议处处长就114年度施政重点主管附属单位的预算编列情形向各位委员报告也敬请指导跟支持谢谢现在请会议处处长 |
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主席 各位委員先進縣警就本會主管國軍退出役官兵安置基金及農民醫療作業基金一百一十四年度業務計畫重點與預算編列情形災暴如後國軍退出役官兵安置基金致力於輔導國軍退出役官兵就業與精進農業生產及投資事業管理其提升經營績效用作配合募賓制推動各項就學就業全班規劃 |
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所需之稳定裁员永续发展积极落实基金制设置功能114年度的业务计划重点一产学合作增进学能提供就学补助奖励4900人次鼓励获取专业学能提升职场竞争力 |
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3250.713 |
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於請參閱二產學合作打造技能資訊中心辦理自辦訓練1650人次委外訓練800人次職業訓練補助3000人次請分次業三公司協力促進長期穩定就業農福處設置就業服務站 |
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針對個案需求適性推介就業8700人次提供促進退儲役官兵穩定就業津貼5954人 激勵重返職場請翻次頁4 |
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3285.963 |
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農業產學交流及永續經營運用產學資源辦理智慧農業講習輔導農民從農培育農業人才改善油氣設施建構安全場域 |
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3312.81 |
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持續提升農場旅宿品質及優化工程環境工作同步強化水土保持設施建構安心完善的旅遊環境六推展優質活動積極拓展國內外行銷透過多元管道及參加國際旅展積極對外行銷 |
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請翻次頁7強化安全管控促進永續經營持續督導各公司應將維安列為重點4項運用科技化管理作為落實管控機制114年預算編列情形1 |
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3335.079 |
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收支於處總收入編列29億4216萬2千元較113年度減少約10.42%總支出編列20億8772萬元較113年度增加約3.58%本期剩餘8億5444萬2千元較113年度減少4億1446萬2千元 |
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3356.818 |
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3384.719 |
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已請參議請翻次頁二固定資產建設改良擴充編列兩億四千九百四十六萬四千元更新各項旅遊器設施與教學設備較一百一十三年度增加九千零九十六萬八千元三資金轉投資配合各公司增資計劃編列投資金額一億元請翻次頁農民醫療作業基金提供退出役官兵及民眾優質健康照護 |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3406.824 |
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推動醫學教學訓練及研究以厚植農民醫療體系競爭力及提升服務品質114年度業務計畫重點一建構長照照護網絡提供整合性照護各級農業提供失智症整合門診與住院失智共同照護服務 |
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3407.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3427.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
建立長照機構管理系統 發展居家醫療整合照護服務平台三 醫療住宿長照3137床 使用智慧床墊有效降低離床跌倒及入窗發生力辦理醫事人員長照培訓及照顧服務員訓練 加強與學校產學合作 |
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3457.307 |
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建置農民輔具服務網絡出院輔具無縫銜接服務各級農業辦理安寧緩和醫療專業教育提供安寧門診育育醫療照護諮商等服務請翻次頁二落實三級醫療強化服務量能本會整合4所農民總醫院12所農總分院及16所農家保健組建構農民三級醫療體系 |
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114年度預計門診974萬7459人次較上年度增加4.33%住院360萬6659人日較上年度減少約0.2%3.發展智慧醫療114年度預計完成各項醫學研究共計2060案 |
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台北、台中及高雄农种设置细胞治疗GDP实验室积极发展再生医学,请翻词页自110年6月推动农种农家急诊远距医疗品质提升计划共计服务3116人次,减少转送医院比例达49.20% |
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四 精進設施設備友善就醫環境台北農總與國立陽明交通大學合作設置加速器型膨中子補貨治療於預計於118年啟用台中農總子子治療中心預計115年2月竣工 |
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114年度規劃購置1000萬以上醫療儀器 既有單光紙、電腦、斷層掃描儀等13項請翻次頁2.114年度預算編列情形1.收支餘出總收入編列847億9198萬9千元較113年度增加6.82%總支出編列815億4千零1萬 |
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四千九百零一萬一千元較一百一十三年度增加約百分之七點一八本期剩餘三十二億四千兩百九十七萬八千元較一百一十三年度減少四千六百四十萬兩千元於群參業群番次業二固定資產建設改良擴充 |
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編列61億240萬4千元包括專案計劃27億7028萬3千元一般建築及設備計劃33億3212萬1千元較113年度增加5億5225萬5千元移群參閱 |
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請翻次頁 事節與本會國軍退儲役官兵安置基金及農民醫療作業基金依據基金收支保管及運用辦法省剩營運力求產生剩餘 並能循環運用永續發展對於國軍退儲役官兵就業技能專長培訓 |
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就業媒合、國家醫學發展及農民券醫療照護等卻有注意因應募賓制推行及國家長照需求將結合前瞻思維持續精進提升輔導退出於官兵就業量能及服務品質敬請各位委員先進不吝指正與支持報告完畢恭請指導 |
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好 謝謝那我們現在開始詢答那今天我們的本會委員5加2然後非本會委員4分鐘那我們10點半這個發言登記截止現在9點半那因為我們本日議程有預算案的審議所以我們今天不處理臨時提案好 那現在請羅美婷委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請原主委 |
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主委好 主委今天您在報告的時候有提到就是說我們輔導會為了協助退儲役官兵跟眷屬可以提升這個技職的能力 協助就業或創業所以我們這個執訓中心有規劃辦理各職類的訓練班隊 |
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那我們也看到就是說在2024年的時候我們的這個受培訓的這個人數呢有2575人那我看到這個102年其實我們也培訓了2552人 |
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那所以這個培訓的這個人次呢看起來是還不錯有2000多人可是本期有看到說其實呢我們這個報名的人數呢更是這個踴躍我看到2024年跟2023年其實我們都有高達6300多人來報名可是我們呢入訓的人數呢只有一半 |
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差不多是三千人左右那當然本席知道說其實這一個錄取的這一個人數呢可能還有需要做身份資格的認定或者是做還有排序那甚至我們還要經過考試才能夠做這個錄取喔可是我覺得說這個 |
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人數呢 落差還是蠻大好 報名人數有六千多人實際上我們呢 錄訊的人數呢只有一半而已所以我在想說 是不是說有些其實他是符合資格的可是因為這個班級的這個班數不足所以呢 可能就被刷掉了有沒有這種狀況呢 |
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請問主委部長委員我跟委員報告我們開班直接說開班它最低人數有一個標準就要10個人它才開班所以沒有到達這個標準的話我們通常週把會延長它報名的時間把這時間拉長一些讓人數能夠夠這樣的路訊就不會那麼低第二個就是協助轉介轉介到其他的相關的一個執訊的一個班隊來受訓 |
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目前是這樣採取這些做法我們會照委員的指導入訓的人數我們盡量能夠提升是主委我所看到的就是說我可能這部分可能處長會比較清楚因為我所看到就是說好就像剛剛主委所提到的像我們每一個班其實他都有一個訓兒 |
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我有看到一般就是20人或是30人類似這樣子那本席所認為的就是說會不會就是說因為我們訓兒人數的限制所以造成就是說我們報名的人數有高達6000多人可是能夠真正到訓練班去上課的其實只有報名人數的一半 |
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除了我們剛才所提到的就是說你可能有資格認定有要考試等等你才能夠進到這個班可是我在想說有將近一半的人報名了可是沒有辦法參加這訓練班真正的原因是什麼我想是不是處長要來回答一下這部分 |
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委員好 我是就學界會處處長 池碧蘭謝謝委員關心這個議題事實上我們根據我們的統計我們退水於官兵有一些的這個職訓班隊報名會看起來是供不應求那是因為我們過去在對於每一個人報名的一個次數沒有做一個限制然後他因為他想要都要入取增加入取機會所以一次報很多班那但是我們現在已經做限制你一個人最多就只能夠報三個班 |
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來降低這個甲性需求那第二個點還有因為我們執運中心最主要都希望培養他的技能將來增加他的就業競爭力到業界能夠實際去操作所以我很多的執訓的需要工作崗位一個人一個工作崗位但是我硬體設施場地的限制所以我們這個但是我們已經知道 |
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有一些班隊非常熱門我們已經盡量在檢討他的流入增加他的一個這個工作崗位的訓練的一個量能那當然因為我們畢竟執訓中心還是只有自辦原則上就是2500那我們還有會外執訓補助所以每一年我們其實有三天多人都運用這個管道而且是全國各地都可以去受訓的那還有勞動部的各分署我們都可以鼓勵他們去參訓來滿足他們的一個參訓的一個需求 |
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那如果真正對於這個超過這個 我沒有辦法 我就是要報這個班 或者是說我沒有辦法進入的我會協助他們去轉 轉班 轉到其他的班 一定會讓他有訊 以上報告所以處長的意思是說 其實我們有高達六千多人的這個報名的人數 其實有很多 其實他們是重複 |
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就是说他可能不是因为我们过去没有限制你只能挑一个班级来去报考有可能就是都开放所以比如说他可能一个人报了十个班二十个班都有可能所以就造成这报名的人数其实他是可能有一个人他可能报了很多班 |
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所以造成這報名人數這麼的高所以我們從數據上看來會覺得說奇怪了為什麼報名人數這麼踴躍我們居然錄訊的人數就只有一半所以真的原因是來自於這裡那再來還有我有看到說現在很夯的這個無人機的這個技術操作我發現說其實很多人有去報名那我有看到譬如說OK有一個班次他其實他的這個訊額其實大概只有20或30人可是有一半 |
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百多人去報名 可是當然我們只能錄取二三十人可能有些人就沒有辦法參與 也許他資格符合可能因為排序的關係 可能就會排除在外像這個的話我們有沒有叫做正班的 因為非常的還有看到探足跡調查課程其實報名人數也很多 類似這種課程我們有沒有想說以後要來正班 |
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謝謝委員我們以後會考慮特別是無人機是符合現在當前政府的政策跟那個產業的一個需求我們因為量能的關係我現在都是基礎的訓練跟專業的訓練我們分開來那我們確實現在如果不夠我會試礦我們已經跟中興講好試礦會增班這個沒有問題那再來還有我有發現也有一些班級他其實開班的這個 |
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分部其實並不是那麼的平均比如說有些就集中 剛才我所提到的是像這個ESG探足跡的這調查課程其實幾乎都是集中在北部來開班其實中南部中南部甚至東部我發現其實班次都班數都非常的少像這個的話這開班的這個 |
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就是你所在地的這個平衡我想這個可能都是要來特別注意的部分那當然我們開這個班級當然是希望說我們的退儲役官兵在未來的職業方面能夠有一個新的發展所以我們能夠積極的輔導他們進入到新的領域我想這都是我們輔導會應該是要做的部分只是我有看到就是說我們有心要做的就最好也希望就是說在開班也好或者是說在訓練也好 |
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我們能夠做到最周全OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝委員長好 謝謝羅委員 謝謝主委那接下來我們請黃仁委員有請原主委我請主委 謝謝 |
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黃委員好我們過去一直以來到現在我們有關於這個花東的這個退不回對花東醫療的一個提升那是否提升當然我們這個部分目前來講我們還是要做一個探討那對於退不回的這個農業 |
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這個農家的體系是台灣最健全的一個醫院那對於花東的醫療非常的缺乏非常需要退補會的醫療體系的支持跟提升那本期相信退補會絕對全力支持建立完善的花東醫療的體系 |
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但是在客觀的條件問題是要如何的解決那需要退補會提出構想那比如說我們的負病比根據衛福部去年的12頁的統計北農整體的負病比為7.6但是北農鳳林分業為10.4 |
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北農台東分院為11.3 義理分院更高達12如果和台東的其他的醫院來比的話數字都是偏高的所以我要請教這個主委未來未來我們要把這一些的醫療體系能夠分配到花東花東更能夠完善這是一個花東 |
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目前來講都是他們的心聲也最需要的啊 諸位 你們有沒有夠想 你們 |
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能不能寫出一個未來的構想的報告給我一份那我們逐步裡面來探討然後提升花東的醫療體系主委你回答一下主委謝謝委員對我們偏鄉花東這三個醫院的醫療的一個關心我想剛剛講的整個的一個計畫怎麼提升我會請北榮他們完成相關的計畫然後再呈一個委員 |
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這個裡面有關醫護人力這部分我們目前我們16所榮院整個的護病比就醫護人力我們是符合衛福部現在頒的標準當然是沒辦法做到最好那我們有關於這些醫護人力的補充我們會按照偏鄉醫療現在這三個分院衛福部也同意把它 |
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從去年以來都有採取一些措施第三部分就是有關於他們的薪資跟待遇我們也都做了調整剛剛我在業務報告裡面也報了 |
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從3435元調高到5000元然後對他們的獎勵金的撥比的上限從85到92然後科技營的團隊醫師一年都有180萬元這個就希望能夠留住人才把他們希望能夠多留任然後也按照衛福偏鄉醫師留任獎勵的計劃補助育理分院每一年也是180萬台東分院是120萬 |
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因為大醫院都在搶人 |
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然後變成了在這個花東這個地區裡面變成遷乏了人才、醫療體系所以我們希望能夠就是說以工分比的角度第二個盡量留用到在地的這些人才 |
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能夠再繼續的能夠在這邊的留用好不好那希望能夠把花東的醫療能夠更提升因為這就是花東的新生好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 |
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那有關於這個退卜會所屬的農場的能力的資源退卜會所屬農場經營原住民土地分布在21個鄉鎮那5個農場經營的原住民土地面積大約在5000公頃退卜會的土地應用一定要尊重原住民的文化和當地原住民維持良好的互動 |
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盡量提供他們工作機會和提高合作的機會本期先以輔導會首屬的福州山、清淨及武林等三高三農場為列三高三農場每年特以特定時節迎接大量人潮唯受到地處邊緣、交通不便的影響三高三農場員工缺額 |
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的契額力始終居高不下那最嚴重的比如這個福壽山農場契額力將近達到三成對服務的品質造成不利的影響所以本席建議無論從土地周邊鄰鄰住戶的角度原住民相信都非常熟悉當地環境也有感情的共鳴所以退不回的在 |
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針對高山農場應該優先禁用原住民鄉親那研議如何提升原住民職工比例但不僅是有利於農場的經營的運作也促進在地原住民的就業保障原住民的工作權及經濟生活營造商業的條件能不能可以這樣子來做 |
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各位委員報告我們農場禁用的職工我們是以退出役官兵跟原住民的職地優先提高原住民的就業率而且農場他們都不定期去拜會部落然後積極招攬人才而且宣傳徵才的一些資訊 |
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那目前清淨農場113年去年還榮獲了原委會原民會所頒發超額禁用原住民的一個獎勵有關薪資待遇所有的職缺我們起薪皆高於勞動拘整法最低的工資1.1倍這個是符合行政院113年政府作為加薪引薪的薪資 |
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對這些政策 那剛剛委員所指導的我們會加強跟原住民尤其是附近的部落的一個拜會跟聯繫好 我們再以台東的農場為例了這個台東農場的這個影印的績效你還滿意嗎那本市認為既然台東農場具備油漆娛樂的功能應該要藉由當地 |
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地理及人文優勢的創造觀光特色比如融入原住民文化的尾邁點也可以盡量與當地的原民團體合作打造亮點而且台東地區原住民榮民佔比例高達35.94%第二類退儲役官兵中原住民佔比例高達50.19% |
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所以退不回如果能妥善應用相關能力不只在就業輔導方面壓力可以減輕對於台東農場的升級轉型也比較有最大的注意我們也請台東農場廠長拜會台東農場附近周邊所有的原住民的一些機構一些單位怎麼樣加強雙方的一些互動先開始啟動 |
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好 那其他的我就用書面的來再跟你回應好不好你再用書面的回答我 實行一宿 謝謝謝謝黃委員 接下來請王定宇委員謝謝主席 麻煩主委 |
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有請主任 謝謝方委員好 各位辛苦先謝謝退府會在前幾天有一群澳洲的朋友去看了你們在往遼北或者是永康的榮家對於裡面設置的設施跟照護的狀況其實連澳洲回來的人 |
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他們看到都覺得應該有學習的地方所以這個是特別感謝退伍會那我也去看了那邊收容的我們的長輩們其實以一個600個收容量的場域可以達到那樣子的不管是生活條件衛生品質大概算標杆但是是不划算的我們的收費其實很低 |
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那因為收費地後面還排了一千四百多個人等著要進來很多人排隊我會建議退府會這個不是我今天要問的主題我建議退府會把每一個單位成本它是屬於失智的我們那邊叫它樂智因為失智的長輩還是長輩他會生氣所以失智的成本以及失能的成本那以及這一個 |
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像我們那邊有夫妻兩個長輩一起住的他都能夠治理生活的成本每個成本計算出來我們的收費跟成本之間的落差差額多大那這個差額有的是我們的預算補貼比方說我們榮民弟兄由公費來補貼那有的是由地方政府那事實上我看到 |
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你們沒有充分的反應成本縱使是全自費的你們的收費大概也比坊間少了25%所以成本的概念要有如果它是一個事業體你沒有成本的概念它就是一個就是一個大家都進不去進去的人當然過得不錯我會建議先把成本計算出來那我們就可以發現它跟現在市場上我們的經營成本上的比較這個我們下次可以來研究這個題目我還是謝謝我們榮家那邊對這些長輩照顧得非常好 |
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這是第一個第二個我們看一下隆起工廠這塊地隆起工廠在民國60年左右他當時是用獎勵投資條例 |
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那由獎勵投資條例來進行設置當時好像是因應韓戰的需求在做黃色炸藥TNT在做這樣的需求所以佔地大概341公頃那這341公頃後來經過時代的變遷那我們都知道後來都沒用了荒廢了 |
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那在馬政府時期就跟歐芯我們以地做股原來的持股比例大概整個加總起來有49到51%左右後來歐芯公司透過增資的方式一直稀釋我們退府會相關事業體持有歐芯的股現在主委我們持股比例還有多少 |
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報告員19點多剩19點多了最高峰好像是51還是49沒有超過50在49左右啦就我們兩家公司持有等於我們把60公頃的土地以地做谷 |
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入股了歐新公司那歐新公司本來是民間的企業那想要做什麼呢想要在隆起這個全世界唯三擁有的越式街二D型要買垃圾買那個全台灣的這個有毒的事業廢棄物焚化後的灰渣這一趴已經過去了後來在蘇貞昌政府把它廢止這個計畫因為地方的抗爭確實也不適合所以這個計畫整個都廢止了廢止之後我現在來到現況 |
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廢止之後這341公頃的土地有60公頃是歐新那退幅會現在有19%的股權另外281公頃呢是我們退幅會現在等著要撥給市政府我們進度走到這邊那今天我要跟主委討論這個題目就是第一個歐新到目前為止是不是還有應付款要還給退幅會的錢還沒有付的有多少金額 |
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委員好 我是事業管理處處長楊長正這個部分我跟委員報告關於榮工公司這個部分我們已經跟他和解 達成和解法官預定我們和解那和解金額 當初榮工公司是1.14億元我們和解金額是8500萬元大折和解因為對方也有損失嘛所以我們經過協商以後用8500萬和解 |
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那他是現金支付還是對方已經現金支付給我們3700萬那現在還4800萬那麼在今年年底前他要給我們如果給付不了因為土地51公頃土地我們已經設定抵押了如果他給付不了我們就可以強制執行申請法拍歐欣現在的負責人有沒有他願不願意 |
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我們當時是以地作股嘛現在他就以地還債把地債還給我們國家有沒有可能他就是因為願意所以說才會跟我們和解嘛用這種方式來願意的話因為那邊地價現在不高我建議這是國家很重要的像越世界一樣的二地形 |
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當時以地作股被他用增資的方式把我們稀釋掉了現在他有債務要還給我們如果退幅會可以在最後收尾的階段把這塊地收回來收回來中間經過這20年的波折我覺得能夠最後在顏德發主委的任內把這件事情做個完美的收尾這個很重要 因為土地回來這341公頃才能完整成為國家級的地質公園嘛所以處長 楊處長你現在目前估計這 |
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他現在擁有是51公頃,把他當作抵債還給我們國家的可能性大還小因為前一陣子他們大概有找到買主了,想要買這個51公頃土地所以說他才很大膽的跟我們簽訂和解的合同 |
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那和解千萬合同有他如果地可以順利拍賣除月他當晚還我們4800萬你們還有兩席董事對不對沒有沒有沒有一席剩一席那這一席董事知不知道對方的買主是來自於什麼地方我們是不允許在那邊做垃圾場喔 |
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不會不會 那本來是不允許開發的就排除這個事情了甚至連重電都排除掉了所以這個委員放棄我覺得好好談啦 但年底要有一個收尾那這個為什麼重要因為當時因為講頭才會在山區這個根本是水土保護區因為國家任務需要 民國六十幾年 |
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所以弄了一個專門生產黃色炸藥啦TNT的工廠 佔地那麼大那附近確實川山甲比人還多梅花路比人還多我在那邊開車有時候還會看到川山甲媽媽帶著川山甲小孩過馬路啊那是一個很好的生態區域啦那這生態區域現在的工廠因為當時的講頭所以它現在的地目是特定目的的工業區嘛 |
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對可是我們現在所有的計畫都廢止了嘛已經沒有沒有特定目的也沒有這些計畫了所以它確實不應該再做工業區那現在我知道我們跟市政府開過一次協調會希望把這個地幕把它廢止回到原來的面貌原來這邊是農牧區就農牧區什麼區就什麼區 |
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那現在卡在一件事情 退府會願意 因為根據講頭我也問了經濟部能夠把地木申請把它廢掉 回到原貌的只有當時的申請人就是退府會所以退府會是可以申請把它變更的 |
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那你們現在好像是願意把那281公頃申請變更歐新的那60公頃你們目前是仍然有疑慮我這樣詮釋對不對這個部分我跟委員報告281公頃的變更是台南市政府後來提出要求的因為它變地質公園了變國家級的地質公園了113年2月1號原本112年討論的時候它都是朝著全區廢止的方向走的 |
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但是後來113年2月1號的時候台南市政府希望先變更281公頃那當然如果要變更歐欣那塊土地的話我們還是要他同意歐欣同意錯了我昨天已經把法令研究完了楊處長跟主委這件事情牽涉到當年民國60幾年的法令講頭什麼單位申請 |
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廢紙就那個單位才有權利如果後面的單位有權利現在就叫台南市政府申請廢紙就好了就因為廢紙連經濟部都說只有當時民國63年根據獎頭提出來的單位才有權利申請廢紙也就是貴單位退府會而廢紙的範圍你要全區或者局部 |
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局部的擁有者有沒有權力去主張他可以去救他損失提主張但就變更來講他是沒有權力的所以我已經請相關單位環境部經濟部我們可能盡快再邀請退服我們一起來討論就341公頃全區廢止把他特定目的的工業區廢止回到原來生態保護的公用 |
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那第二個方案是分成60跟281分成兩個進程那這中間唯一會產生疑慮就是歐新他當年以地做股是以特定目的的工業區來做價他可能會認為說我現在回復原貌我原來買的價格會受損會有這一塊的訴訟疑慮可是就廢止這個地目變更這個地目全區廢止變更他沒有能力阻卻只有退幅會有能力處理這個法律的概念先弄清楚 |
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它是兩個事情所以我希望主委好好研究這件事因為那個美麗的地方現在因為卡在這裡它就是荒廢在那邊那我覺得有點可惜那這341公頃都是我們國家的土地當然現在有60公頃因為狀況放在那裡我們找出一個方案來趕快把這個地目特定目的地目工業區廢止讓它回到我們的地質公園這樣的規劃我不知道主委可不可以我們回去之後會好好研究 |
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我盡快會召開這個協調會,麻煩主委,謝謝你接下來請沈博洋召委謝謝主席,有請主委有請顏主委 |
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主委好主委好今天我大概只有三個問題第一個其實都是一些追蹤第一個問題當然還是滲透的問題最近滲透問題當然是越來越嚴重我們可以看到最近也有這一個助理 |
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被滲透的問題那當然的這個助理為什麼會被滲透也是因為有人先中間人然後接觸那這個退降之前呢我們也有整理過很大的一個package就是很多時候呢我們現役軍人的滲透他也是經過退降那這個我在外交這個對外交部的那一個質詢的時候也有講過現在就是 |
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也有退役的外交人員被接觸然後去接觸現役的外交人員所以現在這種情形已經變得越來越多那剛好這一次賴總統針對這一個五大威脅他有一個17項的因應策略裡面也有特別提到就是這個紅字的部分就是修正對於領取退出給予人員這個相關規範那我在第一會期的時候其實有質詢過那時候主委還不是不是現任的主委 |
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那時候他當然是當時他認為這個可能有一點困難但後來我們在溝通的過程當中後來這個賴總統就任之後我記得我跟退輔會也講過了幾次就是國防部一旦有相關的修正退輔會這邊也會有一些相關的修正所以這一個上次我有看到就是說這個退輔會有一次他表示這一個就是啟動這一個國軍退除一軍官的這個輔導條例第32條的修正作業 |
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這也是我在第一會期的時候本來要提出但那時候退輔會說可能還要先暫緩我想問一下就是說因為這一次總統也有提到就是說院版也希望能夠趕快出來這個也算是實際像措施蠻重要的一環目前我們針對這一個第三條之一我們就有提到分類分級我盤點目前這一個退輔會有能夠做的事情因為有些東西不是退輔會能夠做的有些是國防部才做得了 |
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那隊伍會這邊有救業 救醫 救養 救學 優待及救助大概就這幾種那這幾種呢 哪一些比如說我們在什麼時候停止什麼時候喪屍要怎麼去符合比例原則現在這一方面的這個32條的修法進行的狀況大概如何 |
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跟召委報告我們的確也感受到這幾年中共多管道多元化的一個滲透跟統戰還有認知戰現退軍人在這一塊掉了他們陷阱的也蠻多的就是違法的案例蠻多的所以我們除了就我們自己的機制宣導提醒他們保防的警覺提高警覺要謹慎不要掉了信之外 |
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有關照會所關心的輔導條例的修正我們主要的目的也是杜絕希望能夠嚇阻中共的滲透提醒我們農民的一個認知 |
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有關於停止本條例相關的一些權益方面我們現在針對主政單位主政單位依照陸海公軍軍官士官服役條例或者相關的國安法這裏面所定的原來所謂的就他的退出給予 |
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上司或剝奪我們已經在三十二條條例已經有了就是他主政機關上司剝奪我們就已經上司剝奪了已經在執行當中這是沒問題的已經完整後續我們要做的就是配合主政單位陸海公共機關事工服務條例或者國安法有關於停止這我們要整理停止他的退退出給予或者是部分給予這一塊那我們相關的也要停止 |
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委員 召委所打出來這個泡沫營的左半邊他的輔導條例所訂的一些權益就醫就養就卸就業跟優待跟救助這塊我們也要訂停止現在已經啟動了那我們呃 現在目前的進度是各部會的一個協調有些部會都已經回函了那我們依據各部會的回函的內容我們再做一些聯繫說明然後後續按照法定的程序再來往上走 |
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好那這個可不可以在我們在一個月之內能夠再密集討論一下因為當時我在提的時候呢我也要把比如說有國安法國家解報工作法這些以外我們還要把反滲透法訂進去就是說因為現在涉及國安的事項實在是太多了那原本我們能夠訂的比如說內亂外患這一些可能已經不足以應對現在的這個國安威脅就是說我們的種類如果訂的夠完整那我們也才可以去決定那個比例原則嘛 |
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他今天違反的是比較輕度的國安事項還是重度的國安事項然後根據他不同的狀況他剝奪的狀況可能也不同我們可能要往這個方向討論那不知道主委有沒有可能在這一個月之內我們能夠先把這個願板討論出來 |
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這個跟召委報告因為這個相關的內容比較廣泛那針對這個五大類的一個服務的項目要依據主政機關他的主要的一個法則不管是陸海公共機關說的胡錫條例還有國安法也好的內容那他的一些權益影響到什麼時候我們可能要依據這些所以我們才會跟各部會計協調聯繫 |
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然後再來溝通我們定我們的一個細則這個可能需要一點時間好沒關係我們就迅速好不好因為我覺得這件事情蠻重要的畢竟現在滲透的狀況真的是越來越嚴重希望能給我們一點時間而且我們現在也是可以看到就是說像這些現在滲透的狀況他們有在分 |
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這一個國民黨、民進黨、民眾黨它是沒有在分的所以呢這個也是非常重要就是說我們在像我之前一直提的附中的這個納管我們也不會說什麼今天去中國納管是只有納管某一個政黨的是每一個政黨的都應該要納管所以呢 |
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現在整體的這個狀況來講,如果說他們如此廣泛的接觸,這個中間人很重要。剛好退將是時常成為中間人。你看上次關於做這些民防、防彈等等備心的、防刺備心的,他的中間人也是退休的這個軍官。所以退休軍官很容易成為這個所謂的中間人,然後他又有可能金錢上的誘因。 |
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那也有可能上次我跟這個主委提到的他們很多從事一些旅遊業那旅遊業是一個中國很容易拿去給予資源的一種方式所以如果他今天退了然後他又再從事這個行業其實對我們來講都是高風險那這個風險的盤點我覺得真的是特別重要 |
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那因為時間的關係我再問一個我最後一個就不問了就是說因為這個剛剛夜報也有講到就是說有這個居民專場的這個銜接系統裡面有AI啊什麼等等之類的那因為我之前除了提到這個準確性之外有特別提到速發部要來協助是因為畢竟我們本來是好意啦 |
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就是說我們希望能夠銜接他的專長啊什麼等等之類的但這個名單特別重要嘛就是說你哪些人在這一個裡面然後呢我們剛剛講他中間人他要去接觸我們的這些退降等於那個名單就在這一邊所以這一方面的這個資安現在速發部協助的狀況大概是如何 |
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報告長我請我們統計處處長跟您報告一下先跟昭偉報告一下我們有之前就已經在昭偉的指導底下我們有先跟治安署裡面聯繫了我們希望他們把採購的這些內容或者一些限制的項目或治安該注意的項目他們跟我們講是說基本上第一個因為他們現在手頭上沒有類似的案子因為情況不一樣但他們先依照工程會的這些資訊服務的採購合約它裡面有一些基本的規範 |
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另外是我們所有的建設都是在機關裡面有相關的治安法的規定不管做任何的情況比如說端點防護啊防火牆啊資料庫加密啊這些東西要按照基本的治安法的規定去做辦理然後最重要的是我們現在這些AI的相關東西基本上都是落地的就是我們不會上到雲端去所以目前目前我們在規劃裡面是不會有資料在往外傳的一個情況所以不會有資料外洩的一個情況做一個補充說明好 |
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因為如果說今天有廠商的話他當然一定要符合最低程度的這一個資安規範這個數法不太有他的標準嘛那另外就是說他連線假設他今天有聯網的時候他的規範又是什麼那你剛剛講落地那另外還有一點就是要特別注意就是Access就是誰能夠取得 |
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你今天就算你是落地的就算你只有在內網而已今天誰能夠接觸這些資料是重要的因為對中國來講他重點的滲透對象有時候並不是駭客攻擊他知道誰有access他去滲透這些人去取得資料如果說我們今天把這個東西定義的清楚國安的法規才能夠進來因為目前其他的法規都是針對你能夠接觸資料的人我們有相關的規範跟法則 |
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那如果一開始我們在主管機關把能夠接觸資料的人的定義是清楚的話那後續要處罰或者要管控才會方便所以這方面可能再麻煩要必須一定要注意因為我覺得這一定是一個風險好謝謝趙偉智好好那謝謝那我就先這樣子其他的我就用書面再來問謝謝主委謝謝主席 |
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好 接下來請林柱英委員上台質詢謝謝主席 主席有請主委有請主委 謝謝 |
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林委員好主委早我想延續剛剛沈伯陽召委的議題因為我想這個中國的滲透無孔不入那麼事實上不論是在現役或者是退役又或者是像我們現在在立法院其實各個政黨當中因為每一個立法委員他所面對的所詢問的都是國家大政所以當然我相信立法院當中我們現在所質詢的或者是我們所接觸的尤其在我們國防外交委員會當中有很多真的是很機敏 |
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但是也就是因為這樣我覺得這種過去我小時候才會講的這個保密防諜人人有責小心匪諜都在你身邊那確實時空的變換在過去有一段時間尤其是在國民黨馬英九主政的時期會特別淡化了過去中國對於台灣的文攻武嚇甚至於滲透認為好像一切都在平靜當中就沒有發生可是如果我們現在仔細把這個面紗給它掀開來把茶壺的蓋子掀開來底下 |
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我們確實被滲透的非常的嚴重就以本席過去每一次在追蹤的這個部分那麼有關於退役或現役的軍人我們真的不能成為破口以2024年來說現役軍人一共有在這個所謂被起訴的64人當中現役軍人43%退役是23%那麼其實 |
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過去很多人會認為說既然已經退役了完全接觸不到機敏的文件但是為什麼包括我所整理的這些樣態當中吸收退將來組織親中的政黨那麼再來就是吸收退役的軍官給他軍援之後來蒐集軍事 |
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的機密包括軍事據點又或者是來收取所謂反制共機的這些密件那麼其實我想問的重點是主委過去您也在軍中服役過那麼您退下來了 |
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那麼真正第一手的機敏文件退降或是退役的弟兄是拿不到的但是你有沒有思考過為什麼他們依舊會成為被滲透或吸收的重要的重點那麼這個主委在您接了退府會之後有沒有一個想法是說顯然他也有超過20%的退役軍人是牽涉其中的那到底具體的原因會是什麼 |
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跟委員報告我們從案例上去看因為就誠如委員說的我們退役了他不可能接觸到這些密集以上的資料那為什麼會發生這些案件那中共他就是利用退役軍人去拉攏現役軍人從現役軍人那邊找到資料所以變成退役軍人是一個橋樑 |
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所以我們為了防範我們的退役軍人就是調到中國的陷阱裡面所以我們在英國報告我們也報告了我們19個榮福處整個全國19個榮福處他的責任就是在地區的退役軍人的訪視的工作我們增編了我們把這個人數都增加了希望提醒我們的跑者退役軍人要嚴防中共的這些陷阱 |
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國安局也提出很多陷阱那我們也跟法務部相當當然要了一些案例都在做宣導 宣教就是要提高警覺就成為剛剛委員講的旁邊旁邊人人有責那以前還破萬獎金三百萬那就是匪諜都在你這邊這個一定要有這種警覺性但絕大多數的退避人都是愛國的但不要因為這少數幾個人害群者罵 |
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這影響了國家安全我們現在積極度在做這個工作好 其實就如同主委所分析的確實人脈資料這個是對岸想要拉攏的因為從學長去找學弟然後再透過學弟去拿到這個機敏的資料但是我們也知道我們很多退下來的這些弟兄們 |
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他們其實都還蠻年輕的所以退府會會相形的重要會對就醫就學就養甚至於其他的補助給予幫助過去我曾經講過我們就是賞罰分明愛國的然後對國家有貢獻的我們之後要好好的善盡義務來照顧但是這些叛國的我們絕不容忍所以當時我要求一定要把他們的退休金要追回可是本席又注意到除了有關於退出役官兵 |
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有所謂退休金請領暫停的這個狀況但是有另外一部法規是我們在退出役官兵的輔導條例當中現在跟我們的退休金暫停的這個條例其實是沒有同步的我的言下之意是 |
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當你今天被起訴了或者是你在被究責國家予以制裁的同時你的退休金拿不到可是你就業、就醫、就養跟就學的這些優惠其實是還可以進行中的就如同我做的這張表一樣 |
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就是如果你現行你被判刑執行中或者是你在相關的法規上你已經確定叛國或是被起訴叛國的同時依照兩岸人民關係條例你不能去出席這些活動但是你雖然還沒有被褫奪公權你褫奪公權如果還沒有回復的話那麼我想請問的是我前面提到的這些就醫就學就養 |
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這些補助還能給他嗎那麼這個法規是不是其實應該要同步上來呢主委 |
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現在依據陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例就是整個喪失跟剝奪的我們同時就停了現在都已經停止他的相關剛剛委員所講的權益這個都沒問題現在就配合主政單位國安法這些相關的固定來做的那現在就是剛剛委員所提到的我們現在已經針對為了符合比例原則 |
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以提醒我們所有的退役軍人要不要違法保護國家安全跟尊嚴所以徵定就是剛剛委員所提到的他除了喪失跟剝奪以外那麼主政單位依據陸海公園軍官士官服役條例這裡面所定的他的退出給予有停止領受全部或者是部分有這種內案的那我們就要同步要徵定停止他的權益現在正在啟動 |
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好所以說本席只是要提醒啦就是有關於退出役官兵的輔導條例當中目前有這樣的漏洞的話有沒有準備要修法就是讓他被同步那麼現在修法的進度會是什麼有沒有準備要研議或是提出來有沒有要送院會報院等等 |
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這個進度可不可以講一下因為前面已經有另外有關於退休金的這樣的一個部分的時候那麼在陸海空軍士官兵的服務條例當中你既然有修訂的時候那麼其實你另外一個輔導條例其實要修法跟上並不困難而且我相信整體的不論是對於軍中的地胸或是將退役的地胸或是整體社會氛圍上面應該都是會同步的 |
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所以主委這裡跟相關的單位有沒有一個什麼研議的進度可以讓我知道現在為了符合比例原則跟委員報告我們已經開始啟動了現在就遵循相關部會他的意見然後回函之後我們再做一個聯繫做一些回覆再把我們原來的規劃看有沒有一些調整的地方然後再做溝通後續按照法定程序我們會報行政院 |
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好,要多久的時間?有沒有一個時間表?我們先要報行政院,行政院還有省長,我們大概八月份會報行政院好,謝謝謝謝委員好,謝謝林委員那接下來有請陳俊宇委員上台質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請嚴主委有請主委主委早 辛苦了家維好主委我想就我們退伍會轉投資的相關事業那我們的監督考核的部分來跟主委您就教那根據我們退伍會投資事業機構績效考核的實施要點所提及 |
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為維護我們退伍費的權益其中安置率是否高於持股率為一項重要的指標然後根據今年二月底的資料我們仍有三家的轉投資事業包括遠容氣體還有新章天然氣還有達隆環保 |
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這三家沒有達到此標準那我想請教主要原因是如何是為何那應該要如何來加強能夠提升 |
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各位委員報告我們現在目前整體的安置率安置率是41.8那麼我們持股本會普老會的持股是33所以它安置率是高於持股率的這是整個我們投資世界目前狀況是這樣那委員剛剛提到這三家新彰遠榮還有達榮 |
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遠融行商還有達融 達融環保那這三家主要就是他們這三家的民股的持股率比較高是高過我們的是高過我們的第一個原因第二個他這個因為這個投資事業這個往事公司也好這些或者是環保的他們流動率很低流動率很低 職缺就比較少 |
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這是第二個原因跟委員都報告當然我們相關也採取一些措施比方說我們副主委去拜會新章的董事長就請他盡量提高安置那我們從新章也看他從10%已經提到19%那足是在進步當中其他的各公司我們也都請他們能夠照顧我們的榮民榮眷盡量提高安置率 |
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好,那另外我們就轉投資事業的勞動環境來做討論參考我們勞動部所公告的資料,在過去的一年內就有包括新興科運還有大南汽車、新家石油等轉投資事業有違反勞動法規的相關紀錄 |
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我想請教就是退伍費應該要如何來督促改善避免相關的這個微失會再發生有關於這個違反勞動法令這部分我們藉由董事會投資工作匯報我們持續要求各個公司一定要克制法令然後維護勞工的權益經各公司的改善違反的狀況都已經大幅的改善了我們從111年是33件 |
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目前下降到113年是10件114年今年開始到現在並沒有違反的案件我們持續在照委員的指導我們在努力那我們是不是能夠將相關的違法的紀錄納入會見高階經理人會派代表等高階主管年度考核的一個規範當中 |
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所以我們會把這些違法勞動法規的來納入高階主管考核我們會把它納入好那相似的問題也存在於這個我們退伍會所屬的醫療機構在過去一年內也有數次這個違反勞動法規的記錄榮總作為政府所經營的這個醫療機構是否能夠一併檢討所屬這個醫療機構的勞動環境建立一個友善的勞僱關係 |
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那目前我們在統計過去109年到113年有關於醫院違反勞動法規的案件一共有11件那目前已經都改善了 |
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就我们辅导会的立场我们会继续的来针对这个部分来进行一个检讨改进那同时也纳到年度的这个绩效考核里面去一并作为那有关于平时的这个相关的这个护理职场的争议的通报平台还有违反劳动法令的这个平台我们都会检讨脱除以上报告好 |
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因應全國性的護理人力的流失問題,尤其地區的醫院包括宜蘭的殊榮跟園榮離職率都相當的高,退伍會是不是已經採取相應的對策,能夠確實精進護理人員的流財、攬財的措施以緩解我們榮民醫院人力短缺的困境? |
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報告委員目前蘇澳跟園山的護理預算原額是188位在2月份我們去調查統計目前缺員是3位所以缺員的比例是0.16%目前也是符合醫院的設施規定的目前我們會去廣昭有關於各地相關的護理人員再回到我們 |
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蘇萊元山來服務,尤其是退休後的護理師同時也會從這個校園區廣泛的去徵才來滿足我們蘇萊元山地帶的護理需求就這個台灣我們今年進入這個超高齡的社會那宜蘭縣人口老化的問題更是嚴重那榮總在宜蘭的這個元山跟蘇榮兩間分院目前長照服務的這個量能包括床位、設備 |
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還有這個人力等資源是否都充足 |
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謝謝委員 我是臺北省蘇澳分院代理院長熊孟平跟委員報告這個問題目前在蘇澳跟園山院區都各有院內的分院設置的護理之家總共有327床跟151床兩院目前的護理之家占床率都在八成以上 |
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那另外呢在院內也有設置這個日照中心那配合這個社區的這個服務那在院外的部分呢我們各設有6個總共12個的失智失能據點以及21個預防保健的這個據點那提供社區居民健康促進的服務以上報告 |
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我們的資源是充足的那榮總除了能夠照顧我們的榮民榮眷也能造福周遭的這個鄰里那是否能夠配合地方的這個需求持續來擴大服務的這個量能乃至於這個及早來準備未來對於失智失能照顧的相關需求的這個提升那這方面我們有沒有已經在著手進行當中 |
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陳吳剛才跟委員報告事實上我們會繼續擴大我們這個市至市城據點的這個服務那另外最後一個問題我想請教就是我們這個殊榮跟園榮這個資源非常的好 |
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那對於我們就近這個士官兵的部分,他們每年都有需要這個健檢的部分那之前我也跟我們這個退伍會還有跟國防部都討論過了那可能是在這個界面上,可能需要再做一個比較詳實的一個溝通 |
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可能在這個國防部委託我們做健檢的部分價格方面是不是能夠再重新再做討論希望能夠提供給就近的這些士官兵因為你蘇榮他這個所靠近的這個蘇澳港海軍的部分可能就超過兩千名以上的官兵那袁榮他在這個靠近這個攔指部的部分他包括一些我們陸軍的部分都 |
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可以來做配合也可以提供給我們這些士官兵就近可以健檢的機會那這部分我們現在討論的結果如何 |
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兩個分院所有跟原山跟國軍都有簽合作協議然後軍人的門診急診掛號費跟部分負擔都提供休眠然後這兩個分院都協助國軍實施實情的體檢然後跟國軍花蓮總院有區域的聯防共同來照顧我們的國軍人員 |
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跟主委報告一下就是士官兵使用率不高啦這原因在哪裡因為他們還是往北到台北往南到花蓮去做健檢我們再去加強做一些宣傳好那就拜託我們退伍會是不是跟國防部再多那個詳細的一個溝通看能不能取得一個共識讓我們所有的士官兵可以就近來健檢好謝謝議長 |
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謝謝陳委員 謝謝主委接下來我們有請陳冠廷委員上台質詢我們麻煩請主委有請主委 謝謝陳委員好 |
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主委好 主委我來關心一下我們嘉義的一個長照大樓的工程進度它是在我們入滿嘉義灣橋分院入滿長照大樓的工程進度那我們看一下這個圖面上面所示那這個住住大樓對我們來講是非常重要的一個長照的資源那對不僅是我們竹崎鄉還有鄰近的鄉鎮來講它也是一個很重要的一個醫療資源跟長照的資源所以我 |
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一直想關心這個問題就是為什麼我們預算中心指出長沙大樓興建的這個計畫預算執行最低的然後還有因為綜合規劃報告還有這個水土保持計畫的這個時程還一直在延後多次流標這進度是一直被嚴重的影響所以從去年12月24舉行這個凍土典禮後來又因為水保等等的一些問題還有建造沒有取得所以是停工什麼時候可以復工啊 |
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包委員他4月1號開始開工4月1號就昨天就昨天所以昨天已經因為剛才我聽我們助理講說說就是近期就會正式開工所以已經開工了開工4月1號開工那預計是116年6月完工所以說117年前 |
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117年6月開幕哇 太好了 那這個消息我也想藉由這次的質詢跟我們所有的民眾講不用擔心 已經開工 會如期完工這樣對不對 主委上次凍土我也去過 親自去然後縣長一起主持凍土聯盟嘛所以那個地方沒有問題 這個是可以如期的完工好 謝謝 謝謝 這個很重要喔 因為 |
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我們的嘉義縣老年人口已經突破23%了那今天聽到這一個好的消息我也想要給所有我們嘉義縣特別是我們山區的民眾知道那我們主委也承諾他會如期如質那已經在昨天重新復工那沒有問題那再來我想要請教另外一個跟也是您的業務啦嘉義分廠的這一個二次招商這個部分就 |
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也是在我們山區不過是在大埔鄉大埔鄉的彰化農場嘉義分廠那三月中他進行第二次招商還是沒有廠商投標所以是去年九月第一次招商之後再一次沒有廠商投標有沒有初步檢討是什麼原因造成他們廠商最近嘉蘭地區的地震頻傳這是一個 |
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會影響廠商投資意願第二個當然也是國內旅遊市場環境的一個因素那針對這些我們當然也要增加一些誘因然後能夠順利的去招商所以現在在我們事業處規劃之下現在積極在籌備當中5月準備上網公告5月準備上網公告那準備要用什麼樣的方式去調整 |
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我們處長跟您報告一下我是事業管理處處長楊長正當然針對廠商提出的問題我們也做了檢討比如說旅約保證金的發還機制比如說資本額過高等問題這個月我們還會整合其他有意願廠商的意見把它整合起來做一個修正然後五月份我們就可以公告了 |
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我看多次招商的反饋都是說就像你剛才提到的8000萬的資本額過高那這不是一家兩家三家四家基本上大家都是這樣子的說法那可能就要快速檢討一下因為我們是希望說從113年辦理的這個說明會有24家出席結果投標之後你們也是有去洽詢12家潛在廠商 |
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我意思說這個東西不要再反覆的出現我們一起把這個問題先想說怎麼樣解決因為不只是我們地方的鄉親包含鄉長代表們都一直在反應說希望能夠把大埔的潛力給開發出來這是第一點然後第二點剛才有提到地震 |
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他雖然是在地震是發生在大埔但是其實已經慢慢的從這個戰情中已經都復甦我們希望說大家想到大埔鄉的時候能夠想像的是他水庫的這個觀光還有周遭的一些農場設施而不是在我們就不要再講說這些天災導致什麼什麼我們要往前走那希望說盡快的來去招商那第三次的招商你是預計4月11號是不是5月份我們會公告 |
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5月份公告但是4月11號是要現刊嗎4月份我們會整合廠商意見整合修訂我們的招商公告公告完畢以後我們公告一個月因為目前為止還是有潛在的投資人願意來所以說我們公告一個月以後再來開標 |
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好那我們希望盡快那如果可以的話兩個月現在幾號現在4月2號那我們兩個月之後來給我們簡單的書面告訴我們說現在的進度到什麼樣的狀況最後我想要提一下我們這個也是我們的榮總嘉義跟灣橋分院的護理人員空缺的部分 |
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我們請相關的官員在主委那邊來協助一下如果我們先看一下這個立法院的預算中心有指出我們龍總的護理人員臨時人數是持續增加那人力短缺的問題是很嚴重的那這個我特別要注意到我們嘉義的部分 |
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那就醫療作業基金資料上面的顯示從108年起我們加一分院它的空缺率就在上升那到113年還有11%的空缺率那三區的灣橋分院大概都是13%左右的這個空缺率那如果用退輔會提供的數字的話那在各級 |
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籠總公職護理空缺率嘉義的灣橋分院它的空缺率是2.13%是各級籠總空缺率第二高的從這個數字我們可以看到這個各級籠總較為不足的院區我們的灣橋分院它是嘉義縣山區最我們最依賴的這個院所之一 |
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他提供的不是只有竹崎鄉竹崎泛路中埔甚至是部分的阿里山地區都有他提供的協助我想請教一下這個醫療的能量到底足不足夠有沒有什麼可以 |
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改進讓我們這個協助處理醫護人員短缺的這個部分的問題特別是在我們這個灣橋這邊剛剛我們就醫處長也報告嘉義灣橋分院公職護理人員現在預算是188個那現在剛剛委員這個表裡面所列的這個缺額的百分比啊我們行政院的人事總署他有一個4%的規定就是你絕對不能超過4% |
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那也就是說這個彎橋分院它2.13目前還符合但今年我們會再增加59個人工資的比例能夠稍微提高然後退休人員回任我們請他們回任7月也有7個人所以這加起來就有66個我們希望今年能夠提高他們的這個戶評比能夠提高我們的護理人員好 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員謝謝陳委員 謝謝主委接下來我們有請馬文君委員上台質詢謝謝主席 麻煩請主委有請主委 謝謝 |
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主委好主委首先要感謝主委就是在上個會期本席提出來以後我們對於有幾指榮民在榮院所應享受的福利可以跟錦霄還有 |
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錦霄海巡等等其實想同樣的權利這個部分主委已經做到了就我們在退府會所轄的醫院裡面其實我們已經給了這些有幾子榮民這樣的福利 |
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可是另外我想要請教這個部分真的要謝謝主委可以立即的去做一個修正不過在衛福部所屬的醫院裡面我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣 |
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這個案子我們去年開始啟動就是我們有職的農民在農業的這些全能補助這方面部分階級我們已經在啟動了那現在目前送到行政院之後行政院希望我們把這些就醫的狀況以及階層提供詳細的數據提供數據給他們然後再做全班的一個規劃那現在積極在處理 |
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行政院需要的這些資料他們過去沒有嗎像我們有一些在年金的改革或者有很多的這些相關的資料這個有很困難嗎這個會議是我們處長去開的我請處長跟您報告簡單說明就好就行政院的意見是怎麼樣要或不要 |
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報告委員行政院是非常支持在這部分的一個補助那他是希望我們輔導會能夠提供有關於這個農民從這個退休年齡跟就醫的這個頻率來做一個分析比較以上這個不是刁難嗎我們當你不要幫行政院做這樣的那個承諾你是行政院的那個你應該要幫的是我們的退役的同袍 |
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今天他們在有這樣的需求因為我們為什麼會這樣提是因為你警消還有所有的海巡人員其實都已經納入了我們只是讓他們享有同等的待遇而已不然你政府口口聲聲尤其現在兩岸兵兇戰危然後你又要募兵然後你又希望說要給軍人最好的一個待遇尤其我們賴總統在 |
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演說的時候他還特別強調希望我們好好的照顧我們這些現役的軍人退役的軍人可是我們連這樣都做不到你還要再去做比較表那要怎麼比較說他們就醫的狀況或者他退休的年齡那你其他的有做這些嗎 |
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我想這就是刁難這個部分我們還是希望可以據理力爭因為對於真的要照顧現役退役的軍人你要人家犧牲生命要人家保家衛國可是當你有一點點福利的時候就跟他們算得很清楚這樣子會讓人家覺得這是口號這個部分退府會要有自己的角色跟定位而不是認為行政院他很積極的想做很積極就不會叫你提供這樣的資料我們會努力爭取 |
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那這個部分如果像類似的資料我們會不會很難做 已經很久了嗎上一次行政院要求要這個 這個會不會很難做如果不會很難做 多久可以做出來可以交給行政院 處長 |
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包委員我們會盡快把委員盡快是多快大概預定因為這個下次的這個行政希望我們在半年之內提供那開會的時間是12月31號所以我們預定是會在12月31號開的會你什麼時候去年12月所以你近期我們會盡快的把資料送出去 |
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因為我們希望行政院一定要記住他們在現階段對軍人的承諾過去跟現在都一樣現在為什麼大家會不願意進來當軍人第一你的薪資並不高你的義務役現在增加了兩萬可是我們的志願役並沒有所以你現在交了一些給予看起來好像有可是事實上對現役軍人他的照顧還有福利還是不足的 |
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就像我們看到上校街以上退役人員不可以領取子女教育補助費這是有階級差別的像這個已經講了七八年到現在都還沒有做出來甚至其實已經有民進黨委員也算出來我們連 |
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財政的來源都有了現在教育部補助的這些學費的預算把它扣掉其實都還足足有餘來支付這筆預算所以不要淪為口號這個部分我們希望退補會還是站住我們自己的立場好好的去爭取好不好我們立場不會變好謝謝謝謝主委那另外我們看到這個報告裡面從上一次的 |
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會議裡面其實主委也一直提到尤其主委在擔任部長的時候其實就已經跟那時候馮世寬主委大概兩位其實積極在推動就是軍職專長跟民間職業轉型對照的這個部分 |
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所以我想這是一個很好的一個理念政策那我們也希望其實他可以好好的去推動甚至可以看到他可以做得很成功因為最重要的是我們很多退役的軍人其實他都正值年輕力壯有的四十幾歲而已都有很好的未來還有他過去 |
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在軍中所受到的一些基礎訓練其實我相信都非常的好可是他們在求職上面其實常常碰到一些困難他上不上下不下尤其那個年齡所以如果這個部分可以做好我們當然樂觀其成可是在做法或者他執行上面可能會有一些問題首先我們想請教的就是說在國軍其實他有700多項專長 |
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那其中有404項對照民間的職業項目是比對不出來的這是國防部說的因為在之前他提到這個部分是沒有辦法去做比對那退府會現在準備要委上辦理委外在報告上面是什麼說 |
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問題是最了解軍人的還有最清楚國軍政策的是國防部他都已經說他轉嫌資料有一半以上是比對不出來他們要轉嫌的這些資料在執行上面會至愛難行那我想請教如果連國防部這麼熟悉的一個單位他都沒有辦法做出來哪一個民間單位可以做 |
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我要跟委員報告我們這個軍事專長轉弦的國安部是第一個我們跨部會合作的單位所以國安部提供的軍職專長是743項都已經提供了所以委員這裡面列的404項就在這個裡面所以除了404項以外所有的專長所以也沒有所謂其他漏掉是國安部提供的因為跨部會合作其他還有勞動部經濟部跟教育部 |
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有些是跨部份很重要我等一下會提到可是哪一個委外單位有辦法做到因為其實最清楚的所以我們是直接把這個提供給委外的這個單位嗎就我們已經有的這些相關資料 |
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你要說一下簡單說就好了委員好 我是就業處處長跟委員報告我們這個君子專長現在其實從這個案子一啟動我們就是跟國防部密切的每一次做任何的動作都是國防部有納入那現在它743項裡面我們將來我們也已經採購公告我們也都出去我們要求的是你這個來參與這個委商的這個單位一定要有時機還有能力 |
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你時機跟能力那哪有時機啊 這個就沒有人做啊有 這個跟委員報告其實勞動部 教育部 經濟部都有相關職能基準的一個經驗所以他們建議我們要偽商時間的部分因為 |
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這時間的關係我們希望把相關的一個做法更具體的有哪一些單位是可以做的提供給本席一些書面資料另外我要在這裡提醒的不好意思跟主席接一點時間我要在這裡特別提醒的是過去我們可以成功比如說像我們君子 |
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直接退下來以後直接去開公車他的那個公車駕照為什麼因為當時考試院他曾經做過這樣的一個對照表就是他直接認可所以如果你有院紀或者跨部會的協調你有政府的認可認證他才有可能這樣因為他直接退下來用軍中的執照他就可以去開 |
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民間的這個我們的那個公車或巴士那現在我們面臨到的困難我舉個例子好了我們海軍一級艦的艦長其實他退役以後他沒有辦法去做商船的船長所以你今天最大的困難是沒有辦法取得證照因為就是沒有證照所以你們沒有辦法做那這個部分是你要先克服 |
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你才有辦法不然委外單位跟你說這個可以委外的單位跟你說你在軍中表現非常好比如說我們的嚴部長在軍中你各方面的那個經歷養成都非常好你適合當董事長那明年7月會認為說你這個委外單位說你適合當董事長那我的公司就可以當董事長那我們的營長你說他表現得非常好他有特殊的專長出去他就能當廠長嗎我想這個在 |
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很多的標準上面它是需要一個政府的認證就像我們剛剛講的考試院為什麼你的軍中的執照可以直接去開公車你現在如果像我們的艦長其實你都可以開軍艦那個都可以負責打仗可是他沒有辦法當商船的船長我想這個才是最大的問題我們既然要花錢希望他把效益做出來那也希望先提供相關的資料給我們後續再做探討 |
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謝謝委員指導 把考試院這個狀況納進來謝謝委員指導好 謝謝謝謝馬委員 謝謝主委接下來我們請許巧欣委員上台質詢謝謝主席那我們有請顏主委有請主委 謝謝 |
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首先我想要請問我們退輔會今年114年的這個公務預算總共編了多少錢我們1309億1309億那比去年113年多了多少錢18億多18億多那請問預算數是不是在我們退輔會上面來的史上最高的一次 |
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目前是目前是嘛 對不對所以這是編列規模首度達到1300億以上那我想問一下退府會在114年當中被刪減總共是多少錢被凍結分別又是多少錢 |
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我們審議的結果三減是8,427萬凍結整個TOTAL凍結四億多OK 凍結四億多我可以看一下公務預算113年稅出編列跟114年稅出編列的情形 |
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就可以看到其實我們114年的整體預算案的金額是比較高的那刪減的部分坦白說對於退輔會的整體刪減的數額是很小所以我想這個顏主委應該在退輔會來說比較在意的是凍結的部分對吧凍結的部分剛才說凍了多少錢4億多 |
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4億多嘛好那我們來看一下我們凍結的部分有多少我這邊列出比較高額的因為有的50萬100萬我就不列了所以我從200萬以上開始列那200萬以上開始列的話分別有我們在圖上這幾位委員他們都是凍結數超過200萬以上的那其中有一個是在第二輪的時候被凍結了3.7億 |
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那特別講一下這3.7喔是當時有陳情人喔那他就發現說在榮民之家裡面的這個飲料機啊然後竟然都是販賣過期的飲料那這是實際上有陳情人然後呢他也提到了這是一個真正真實發生的事情所以我想要請問一下就是這個部分呢我們有沒有做過檢討了重新去檢視所有的榮民之家的飲料販賣機裡面的飲料 |
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是沒有過期的狀況 請問這個部分檢查了嗎保安 榮家這部分販賣機經過委員的指導之後 我們全面都做過檢查全面做過檢查 強化集合的機制那你們當時有檢查到就是有過期飲料的這個部分嗎這個機器後面我們再去投幣出來 好像沒有查到有過期 |
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那但是呢這個是實際因為成情人的爺爺就住在這個榮民之家所以呢有一次他去幫忙買飲料的時候那突然下來的這個飲料呢他是上面直接寫的是過期的所以才有像委員成情的這個狀況那呢凍結的部分那金額比較高高達3.7億喔 |
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那所以我想問剛剛您所說的再請您說明一次被凍結的部分是多少錢被刪減的部分是多少錢刪減是8427萬只要那凍結是4億多所以說 主委我們刪減的部分還算合理吧以我們就過去113年來講的話的刪減數113年請問刪減了多少多了一半 |
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113年刪減數是多少錢?4498但是我們今年的預算多編了多少錢? |
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多了18億多所以雖然刪減的數額是比上一次113年多一些你說多一半多了4000萬可是我們的113年到114年的預算增加就是在刪減後增加了多少再講一次 |
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18億你剛剛說18億嘛所以這個3減15個可以說是九牛一毛我們大概基本上這個國防外交委員會不問藍綠喔那都給予退府會很大的空間因為退府會做的很多的事情都是正確的事 |
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那所以我們回到這個凍結的部分那當然就會對退幅會有比較大的影響尤其是凍結3.7的部分那你們既然已經檢查過已經去看了一遍所有的榮民之家的販賣機裡面都已經清查過之後呢是沒有所謂的這個確認了都改善的情形的話那我想要請問那 |
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其他的这个第一个25款第一项的项目就其他的500万200万200万500万这四笔是否也已经向当提案委员说明 |
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報告委員 整個總預算的公告是3月21號對對對 沒有 我問的是這四筆就是500 200 200 500這個部分我們針對凍結的案就針對3月21號公告之後我們現在各相關的處理針對這些把相關的說明那有這四個案子有哪幾個是只要書面提出就結凍的我們希望盡快能夠結凍沒有 我要問的是說哪幾項是書面提供之後就結凍的 |
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哪幾項是要在委員會報告之後解凍的最後這一項 退伍會一般行政費怎麼樣書面所以都是書面同意你說一二三四五五個案子都是書面同意之後就可以立刻解凍那請問為什麼還沒有送進來就是剛剛跟委員報告我們現在在草擬當中同意 需要多久 |
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因為我們想要讓退府會趕緊讓你們的這個預算不要被凍結嘛然後如果我們都是只要書面就可以解凍了根本連委員會都不用送來排審的話那是不是應該要趕緊的送解凍案呢已經拖了一段時間我們從開議到現在那請問什麼時候要把解凍報告送到書面喔書面送到他們的手上 |
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提供書面報告讓他們直接解凍因為你這樣直接解凍的話3.7億加1400萬哇直接可以讓退幅會整體的運作進到一個整個正常的情況那刪減的部分因為我們今年編的是史上最高所以呢其實就算是刪減之後還是我們多了18億的錢裡面只刪掉只多刪4千億而已那對退幅會來說應該是一個大利多才對 |
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所以我想要問這個書面的解凍報告什麼時候會送給本人讓他能夠解凍給我一個時間點好嗎報告委員我們當然是希望我能夠盡快解凍我需要一個時間點嘛你說盡快是多快一個禮拜兩個禮拜一個月兩個月三個月那都是盡快啊這個牽涉到跟委員溝通的時間沒有那請問提案人有哪一位現在是不願意讓你解凍的 |
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這個我們不能聽委員做回答對嘛 所以那你有沒有跟好 我舉例來說3.7億這位是陳金輝委員他所提案的請問你沒有去跟他說明過了嗎目前還沒有那什麼時候要說明 為什麼沒有去說明就是書面報告要完成那你為什麼書面報告還沒有完成我們在一陣子之前我們不就已經做完這些預算的審議了嗎那為什麼這個解凍報告他只是書面就可以解凍為什麼都沒有送到他們的手上讓這些預算能夠解凍呢 |
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最後我只要因為我時間到了只要回答我一個問題什麼時候這幾項尤其是3.7這個部分能夠書面解凍因為我們是想幫退輔會的我們是站在退輔會的立場想要協助退輔會將這樣子的一個凍結的預算能夠解凍讓退輔會能夠更好的運作 |
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所以我有跟陳靜惠委員溝通過這件事情她是很願意在你們檢查過之後給她書面報告就能夠解凍的可是到目前為止我們的退府會都沒有做這件事情原因是什麼報告委員好我是救援養護署長鄭玉廣目前我們已經完成這是要專案報告才能解凍 |
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你剛剛不是說都是書面嗎對另外三個是書面這是專案報告那當初發生這個事情的時候我們可以陳金威說明了另外三個是哪三個就是剛才講那個凍結案但是這個是要專案報告那凍結是哪三個凍結是直接書面的 |
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我現在上面列的不好意思主席借我一點時間就是第一個五百萬的嘛五百萬對這個是要這是書面報告對那其他3.7億是要專案報告沒有沒有你剛說有三個是書面的嘛五百萬的還有哪一個 |
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總共我這邊有一二三四項那請問哪三項是你說書面就可以解凍的就是那個五百萬還有兩百萬的部分OK所以就前三個嘛對不對前三個是書面就可以解凍那那個五百萬再下來這個第四個五百萬這個是怎麼樣在排進委員會裡面做說明然後解凍嗎 |
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就是書面報告經委員會同意經委員會同意嗎 對不對那什麼時候 告訴我什麼時候這個部分要送進來盡快是多快 |
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至少給我們一個時辰讓我們知道嘛因為我們想要協助推幅會啊我們還跟委員溝通才能知道時間所以你們不知道現在什麼時候要送解凍案進來因為如果你們一直不送進來的話那就一直沒有辦法解凍推幅會的業務萬一因為這些解凍案那受到影響的話這對我們來說是不是我們希望看到的事情所以所謂的儘快我想要請問兩個禮拜內做得到嗎我們跟委員在溝通 |
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你要告訴我說你們什麼時候要送吧因為你們都檢查過了書面報告做好了嗎我是會計組處長過去我們的程序大概就是報告出來以後我們會跟委員先去溝通沒有問題以後我們就會送需要多少時間我相信上面的委員大多數是民進黨的然後陳金輝委員我已經跟他溝通過他沒有問題所以我想要請問一下你們需要多少的時間會把捷動案送進委員會 |
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我們現在就盡數在做但是委員那邊就是我們不曉得能不能通過我已經問過了他沒有問題那過去我們通常進行這樣子的一個解凍程序去排進委員會需要多少時間過去我們講過去上一次113年就好了需要多長時間 |
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因為我們送了以後還要到程序委員會那邊去排對啊對啊對啊那你什麼時候要送到程序委員會差不多三個月左右那為什麼要這麼久呢你們現在不是很缺錢要用我們送出去以後那個院會那邊要復委復委以後院會你不是說書面就可以解凍了嗎書面沒有他還是要到院會那什麼時候要送進去排嘛 |
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你們送了沒有我們跟委員那邊溝通完已經送了對那你前面四個陳冠廷委員跟王鼎委員跟林竹英委員溝通了沒有 |
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因為那個預算3月21號才公 才那個尊總統公佈所以我們現在各一管處重新再修正最新的資料資料完以後我們就會到委員辦公室去做溝通好 那請你們儘快溝通 儘快送解凍來下一次我希望退府會來到這裡的時候已經將這所有的解凍案都送進來然後能夠通過 好嗎因為我們是希望站在退府會的立場協助退府會在這些被凍結預算裡面呢 儘快的能夠解凍 |
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謝謝謝謝委員關心再請退伏會再跟委員溝通我還是要補充一下因為這一次的國會亂象我們的總預算過是一個禮拜前的事情而已所以如果說在一個禮拜前才剛復疫然後才剛過然後就馬上要送這個可能一定是有點困難所以還是要幫這個退伏會補充一下但接下來一定還是有很多的解凍然後再慢慢跟委員溝通好不好謝謝 |
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好 那接下來我們請何欣淳委員上台質詢好 謝謝趙委我們請嚴主委主委請 |
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8842.563 |
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主委好我想今天我特地來我們外交國防委員會針對我們退府會所轄管的這個應該不是說轄管因為我們退府會是所有全台灣的天然氣公司的最大股東我們事業管理處應該處長也在現場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8872.694 |
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最近全國國人都對台中這個城市安全公共安全感到憂心而且覺得害怕的是我們新光山越有氣爆氣爆發生我們真的是覺得要痛定思痛那如何的來面對問題解決問題大家一起努力保障這個公共安全讓台中這個城市越來越安全讓大家信任 |
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那我們如何通定私通因為在3月28號台中市消防局的火調報告已經出爐雖然現在檢調正在進行當中有一些細節沒有辦法對外來公佈但是初步有對外說是瓦斯氣爆認定管路內的瓦斯的餘氣在工人切割管路時引爆火花所致 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8915.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
這件星光三一月爆炸 讓很不幸的五位死亡還有很多受傷的我現在必須要講的是 我們如何來解決天然氣管線的管理問題 |
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8917.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8944.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
天然氣管線的管理呢我們退府會是我們所有全台灣天然氣公司最大的股東那我們身為最大的股東可以要求我們所有的天然氣公司對於這個管線的一個不管從前面的設計規劃到後面的施工到後面的這個整個管理我覺得這個很重要這個很重要所以我就要跟拜託主委一件事 |
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8946.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
來下一頁我們雖然這件事情進入司法調查但是呢相關的作業標準及程序我們退伏會是絕對有權利要求所有全台灣的天然氣公司再一次的去檢視清楚而且呢檢視呢專業的檢視完畢該調整的要調整該改進的要改進喔因為呢以剛剛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
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這個台中市消防局的火調報告他是說跟天然氣的氣爆有關但是呢在當時候事情發生的2月13號我們新中天然氣公司他說跟他們沒有關這跟誰有關那我們等司法鑑定跟司法調查報告出來但是呢我必須要請退輔會我們原主委可以用力的關心請我們事業管理處的處長 |
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第一個 我們瓦斯管線的改裝維修事實上都要經過申請要跟天然氣公司申請不管是所謂的表外的外管線或是表內的管線設計規劃改裝維修都要申請而且還要提出設計圖 對不對主委應該 |
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你問一下就知道了啦 都要 我相關的文件都在這裡讓你看問一下我們全台灣的天然氣公司 每一家公司都有我們在這個餘髮的管理都是我們退福會應該可以幫忙協助的因為我們有 我列出來我們退福會投資全台灣的新自備的天然氣公司那我最後最後我只是希望拜託原主委 |
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你知道我們現在天然氣公司歷年用戶申請表內管改裝的圖資我們到底有沒有保留建檔有嗎 處長回答很好 我是事業管理處處長跟委員報告我個人在天然氣公司任職過所以這些不管是建檔或利用這些申請我們都一定要保存而且是永久保存的永久保存 那永久保存了之後呢我們有數位管理嗎有 數位管理 |
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那現在數位管理是從哪一年開始建置的還是全部都已經建置完成這個是各公司的量能不一樣這個我必須要老實跟您報告各公司的量能不一樣但是我們輔導會基於公股的立場我們持續用董事會的方式來要求各公司一定要妥善完成而且能源署每年的安全檢查他到各公司的檢查他也會把那個列入要求的事項 |
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但是來兩個問題第一個問題你最大股東雖然你有要求但是你要求並沒有押10成沒有告訴國人說所有全台灣的天然氣公司好我現在對各位用戶的申請我們都有保留這些圖資也有建檔但是我如果要找的話怎麼找那如果要用的時候要怎麼用那我們累積這數十年下來的所有的資料 |
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你們儲存在哪裡所以我才會講說數位化是最快的也是最符合現在科技的那如果你數位化的速度不夠快的話那你日積越雷子會越來越多那一旦事情發生的時候 |
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癲癲塌塌啦我們這一次的新光三越的氣爆裡面我不知道誰責任歸屬該是誰但是如果一旦它是氣爆的話這個天然氣的管線的管理就是一個重要的議題 |
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那如果我們退府會是最大的股東還不能要求全台灣的天然氣公司能夠好好的來管理這些不管是它是表外的管線或是表內的管線那這些圖資你雖然有建檔有保留但是你怎麼利用你怎麼來協助未來防範於未來的這些氣爆事件 |
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所以我希望第一個 退府會身為最大的股東我們處長 主委要求處長 處長去要求全台灣的天然氣公司我們的圖資的數位化的建檔跟管理 可不可以壓一個時程雖然它的量很多 我相信很多但是你沒有壓一個時程 你根本不知道它什麼時候能夠完成 |
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這第一個第二個我們對於這些的圖資的管理之後數位化之後我們又如何能夠的精進改進我們現行的天然氣的管線的設計規劃跟施工工法這些它會牽涉到我們如何在未來的公共安全跟協助救災這兩大前提之下你們跨部會怎麼跟中央地方政府合作 |
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這很重要主委我希望 |
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不要有再一次的這個氣爆事件那我希望我希望退府會身為最大的股東能夠盡速的有效率的去要求全台灣的天然氣公司該做的要做啊不能因為量人可能不夠啦或者是累積的資料太多啦所以我現在可能來不及做啦那你起碼告訴我你到底需要幾年做好啊主委 |
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有信心 有願意要做這件事嗎要注意安全 委員指導 委員關心就是相關的瓦斯的安全的問題我們會找委員指導來做一些監討你態度要堅定啊 你要求這個事業管理處啊這個事業管理處要能夠統領全台灣各個天然氣公司啊如果沒有辦法的話 你現在這樣直接跟他說啦也沒一個答案啊 |
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主委 能不能做 要不要做可以做 |
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報告委員跟您回報事實上我們所有公司關於投資的數位化都已經完成了你從幾年開始建制你不要糊弄我啦你現在的建制是在某一個年度開始才開始建制啦那一個年度之前你都還沒有建制啦那一個年度你要我說嗎這個我在上一屆府立委的 |
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任期內我不斷的在追天然氣公司的這個圖資的管理我追了幾年了對不對是我拜託你啦我要求你去建立這個東西第一個真的是為了我們全台灣的公共安全啦好不好我了解再拜託是是 謝謝委員長 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝英純那接下來有請邱志偉委員上台質詢邱志偉 邱志偉 邱志偉委員不在接下來請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢 |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席政務機關使用官員會長公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們嚴主委和就醫保健處的劉處長以及屏東榮總的王院長好 有請主委劉處長跟王院長 謝謝總委好主委好 處長好 院長好我想我們都有一些生活的消費經驗雖然我知道 |
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9436.183 |
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主委沒有經過經營過商業那我今天的標題呢是什麼我今天的標題來是醫療平權救命科別要補足啊強化平融財務資源要才能留住醫護讓我們看一下一般一家店你覺得就算你沒有從商的經驗有沒有店一開張就可以損一兩平的 |
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是不是一張店開張我們先要想辦法先把我們的店員請足貨源充足然後呢才能夠讓客人上門是不是這樣所以說一定一段時間你經營好客源之後你才有可能慢慢的由盈由虧轉盈慢慢的成長是不是 |
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9476.591 |
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主委那您認為醫院是不是也經歷過同樣的一個經營情況醫院也一樣也是一樣好所以成為一個成熟的醫院需要哪些要素呢我現在請一下我們的處長處長您看過這我們四個榮總嘛你認為目前這四家榮民總醫院是不是都已經進入到很成熟穩健發展的階段 |
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9477.874 |
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9503.18 |
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目前我們三家榮總都已經經歷到成熟穩健那屏隆還在慢慢的扶植當中好 屏隆要扶植當中 謝謝來 我們請屏隆的王院長院長 我請教一下下一間院長好你知道你來屏隆接任多久了 屏隆榮總兩個月過十天兩個月過十天你在接任後你有聽到屏隆的鄉親對我們屏隆的期望嗎譬如說小兒科有沒有急診 夜間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9524.099 |
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我們目前是採急診專科看那進一步找小兒值班醫師下來看偶爾才有小兒科醫師值班所以目前的屏隆的年輕家長孩子一旦夜間有急診狀況他沒有辦法送屏隆那你知道如果是像一些心肌梗塞需要緊急動心道關手術的屏隆目前有這個能力嗎 |
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9542.064 |
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我們目前可以做緊急診療館但是那個uncode的人員有限uncode人員好我接下來問了我們看一看病患如果受傷需要緊急手術通常在醫院如果醫院的醫生不夠沒辦法開刀uncode的診療館手術uncode的醫療團隊包括麻醉醫師包括整個團隊大概有多少人 |
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9544.11 |
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那個 院長 院長報告委員 預估應該至少要六個 才有辦法變成一個team那我個人規劃是到十月之前會補齊六位心臟科醫師好 不簡單我過去呢 跟主委報告一下 |
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屏東開業以來我們屏東鄉親具以高度期望但是王院長來了他讓我們有一個希望就是他願意聘足足夠的醫師讓醫師的團隊可以24小時待命來進行這些緊急的手術如果不然這些我們病患到哪裡送到高雄去那我們如果病患都往高雄流屏東農種是不是很難經營 |
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是很難經營嘛是好那那那希望您的這個院長請教一下那您的部分要聘主六位心臟科的醫師小兒科的部分呢 |
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9594.814 |
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9620.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
有計畫嗎?報告委員,目前小兒科其實每天都有人值班那只是如果輪值急診的話,他們值班的區域太大所以現在是急診專科跟小兒科專科那你需要再補充多少醫師?我期望是12到15個,可是從5個到12到15個可能要走好幾年大概要多少資金?因為我們知道剛開始您的收入不足要請這麼多醫師,你有這些錢來請醫師嗎? |
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9642.572 |
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包括我們目前以3月來講超額超出總額45%左右那就是在各個管道旗下去讓因為我們的業務量有出來那接著總額那邊如果也可以供應的話讓我們的財務會更加健全好 謝謝院長請回 |
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9669.352 |
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主委現在要請教您了因為我們期待蘇前院長 尊昌 我們的老縣長幫屏東設立一個屏東榮總他相較於三個其他榮總 他有他的特殊任務那您知道嗎 我們榮民醫療作業基金收支管理保管及運用辦法第十條在本基金下的各基金的資金可以互相的融通其程序由退伍費訂定之 是不是這樣子 |
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9670.412 |
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是這樣的因為這樣的關係我們訂了一個國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會榮民醫療作業基金的資金融通作業要點他的資金的計息方式是以中華郵政一年期的儲金的機動利率加一碼那麼處長請教一下你知道目前這一年期的儲金是多少錢嗎利息多少錢嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
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大概不知道 0.835 五百萬以上那加一碼是多少呢 加一碼就是1.08好 處長你有沒有房貸不好意思 你知道現在房貸大概多少錢嗎我沒有房貸 我不清楚不清楚啦 2% 3% 就很不錯了所以 主委我這邊要跟您一個請求啦目前如果以我們退伍費所狹下的哪些醫院有能力借出作業基金處長要不要提示一下 |
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9722.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9725.459 |
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目前屏東榮總雖然看起來帳面有虧損 虧損主要是因為整個醫療大樓的折舊的問題 折舊以後他的現金流量是正的你要報告另外三家榮總的作業基金的存量嗎 |
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9747.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9772.161 |
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沒有我看他現在目前帳上還有接近六億六億接近六億這六億那其他能不能順便報告另外三家的餘額我跟委員報告那個台北榮總的現金的部分餘額是多少大概是一百到月底一百三十四億一百三十四億台中榮總呢台中的部分是 |
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9774.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9789.208 |
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對不起 134億是台中的台北榮總是284億哇那高雄的部分是98億哇 你看好 主委 您了解了啦我要跟你請求啦因為北榮 中榮 |
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9790.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9805.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
高榮都有很長期穩固的支持跟經營他們今天能夠累積這些高達200多億100多億到將近100億的作業基金是他們這幾年來歷任的院長跟團隊同仁打拚下來的成果得來不易 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9805.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9818.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
但是呢我們希望三個老大哥能夠支援小老弟是不是我最後的結論就是說我們榮總副助我們北榮有陳院長陳總院長中榮有副院長他是鄭院長但是姓傅啦還有高雄榮總是陳總院長那麼 |
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9821.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9842.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
其實呢 屏東農總到現在2022到現在才兩年多那其實呢 需要三個老大哥的支持有沒有可能我們的王總院長他希望提升我們屏東農總 擴編 徵聘這醫師需要相當的資金這個每個醫師啊 其實呢在外面請啊 隨便一個月我私下問過一個月到五十萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9861.179 |
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他如果要增加六名哇 不得了 他一年下來基金的負擔沉重主委 做我的結論了有沒有可能您來評估北榮 中榮 高榮的榮民醫療作業基金的榮通性來協調三家的對不起 不是分院 三家總院他的分院的作業基金的餘處呢調節這個情況給予屏東榮總融資讓他可以用這麼優惠的我說過1.08%的利息能夠得到足夠的資金益助幫他撐過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
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這開始營運這最辛苦的階段委員的好意就是要協助榮總是的 屏東榮總屏東能夠跟其他三個榮總是一樣的一個level希望能夠把它提升我們了解委員的苦心但是剛剛委員這個案提到的這個台北台中高雄榮總榮民醫療作為基金的榮通的運用我想我跟委員報告我還要尊重他們三個總院院長的意見我找他們協商希望他們也能夠配合 |
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我想我這也不願意請三位院長來表達意見我相信三位老大哥一定很慷慨我真的要再三陳述過去在籌備期間三位老大哥的院長給我們屏東肉農非常多的資源不管是救護車 各種的醫療設備真的都很多所以我特別的藉此機會要謝謝三位老大哥的院長那他們願意要表達他們的意願嗎 |
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報告中委員這個屏東總院在蓋的時候台北榮總吳廠提供12億4356萬9千元謝謝掌聲 屏東鄉親感謝你但是呢現在北榮也在發展新休館中心跟信義院區的事也需要大量資金如果沒有影響台北榮總的興建輔導會支持我們看用什麼方式來處理啦但是不能再像以前就12億4356萬9千元 |
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因為這樣全部有去無悔也不好不能有去無悔啦 王院長聽到沒有 不能有去無悔那另外兩位院長 老大哥說話了 你們兩位要不要說一下雖然是鄭的副院長台中總總報告 我們過去在屏東總總在成立我們台中總有挹注了五億多 也是無償的提供 |
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目前台中總有兩個大樓支持中心跟第三醫療大樓我們總共大概120億正在進行當中我們最近行政院剛幫我們通過我們的新辦計畫我們要蓋兩棟大樓一個科技大樓跟一個醫護宿舍總共要80億所以我們總共是有200億的工程在進行我們台中總算目前有130億的存款 |
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基金但是我們預計明年體可能要開始也要向輔導會的基金看看能不能融資要借錢這樣二哥要取席入啦所以手頭比較緊啦來那個三哥 |
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謝謝委員長那個高雄總統對屏東總統支持我想委員應該很知道啦是剛開始開幕的時候我們一開始建的時候就是我們開始進去幫忙做建設是的謝謝對那剛開始開幕的時候其實我們70%的員工幾乎都是我們高雄總統過去是的謝謝那目前的話我們每個月大概都還有28位的醫師在那邊持續的做資源所以我們大量的投入啦那在不管在制度的建制啊資源的支持我們都持續在做啦這個跟委員做報告好謝謝主委那因為主席站起來了齁 |
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做個結論啦有錢出錢有利吃利老大哥要娶媳婦還可以縮衣截食來幫忙小老弟可以生養小孩老二呢家裡呢自己有新建房屋老三呢出錢出了人了沒有辦法出力沒有辦法出錢還可以有一點啦所以主委三位總院長給我們好好的支持好不好請我們在座整合好那最後的我們王院長最辛苦給這小老弟多多鼓勵好不好好謝謝主委謝謝處長謝謝四位院長 |
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好 謝謝嘉賓委員那接下來請麥玉珍委員上台質詢麥玉珍 麥玉珍 麥玉珍委員不在接下來請鄭天才委員上台質詢主席 各位委員 有請主委有請主委 謝謝 |
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政委好主委好,辛苦了謝謝委員這個再次的給主委看這個民國77年5月15號當時的許立農,許立農主委,你的前輩 |
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這個特別依據這個當時的內政部吳博雄部長的一封信他答覆這個吳博雄部長同意將現未利用的土地46.526公頃撤銷不用歸還 |
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而且還特別承諾,今後是安置狀況若再有不惜公屋利用之土地,定當繼續辦理撤銷撥用就原住民族而言,這個就是一個非常重要的一個退府會族尉的承諾對原住民族而言,它也是一種契約 |
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所以這個部分是讓我們原住委也讓我們所有退府會的一個同仁能夠認清也要把它當成是一個退府會的承諾對原住民族的一個企業好這個 |
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這個原住民族基本法是民國九十四年才公布施行的剛剛的是還沒有原住民族基本法之前民國七十七年的一個退伍會的一個承諾原基法二十條規定政府承認原住民族土地的權利這個寫得非常非常的明確 |
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行政院也核定原民會所提送的當然是從台灣省政府就已經有了這個公有土地增編原住民保留地的處理原則這是行政院核定的非常的清楚第三點寫原住民於七十七年二月一號以前已經使用其祖先寫得很清楚祖先遺留 |
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而且現在還在繼續使用的公有土地就可以增編為原住民保留地所以我沒有要擴大到剛才像原主委這樣的一個胸襟那我只要也現在的原住民只要能夠符合行政院所核定的增化編原住民保留地的原則 |
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只要符合這個規定現在還繼續使用的這個部分所以這個部分到目前為止這個要請主委其實主要是在花蓮台東啦主要是在花蓮台東希望能夠目前還沒有你們還沒有同意的是不是把它這個爐裂出來 |
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在鄉公所在縣政府然後已經跟你們去會勘了然後你們還沒有同意的把它如列出來是哪些土地有幾筆哪些地號這樣的話可不可以提供給我們共同的來去到底有什麼樣的一個需要去協調的這樣可以嗎 |
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我們已經有1303公頃在96年以前歸還原住民就是所謂原住民保留地真化變現在在處理是96年到現在現在有54公頃54公頃我們已經同意了51公頃同意還有這3公頃主要是鄉公所在審核我們會配合辦理這樣 那個3公頃就是這麼一點點而已剛剛你講了那麼多 你看 |
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這麼大面積,之前都同意啊,何況現在所以這3公頃多請提供土地的地段地號可以嗎?沒問題,外國人沒問題好,這個就麻煩這個部分另外,這個會計署會計署請教處長,113年度 |
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的預算,113年度啊不用去看,113年度的預算的解凍案當時你們是在113年還是114年,114年就是去年了,今年 |
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今年113年度應該是去年去年幾月送來到立法院解凍案就是我們送立法院以後到委員會大概排解凍的時間在五月份過去因為預算比較早通過我查過經濟委員會因為我在經濟委員會我查過經濟委員會去年 |
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去年針對113年度3月就排了審查經濟委會3月就排了審查解凍案因為臨時請你當然你回去你回去查一下113年度112年度兩個年度就好 |
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退伍會什麼時候送解凍案到立法院時間就好這樣可以嗎可以好這個最後這個主委這個我知道上面交代不能送解凍案到立法院但是主委為了退伍會的業務 |
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的推動要很勇敢的跟上面講我們還是要送那我們沒有交代這個我們3月21號才公告所以作業要有一個時程要有一個時間剛才我有聽的這個前面的質詢事實上你 |
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第一個書面報告你就把書面報告送來就算是專案報告所以你很清楚嘛當過國防部長很多很多解凍案啊就把它寫清楚就送來就送來雖然是三月才這個當時一月就通過了立法院一月就通過了就應該準備好了 |
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既然這個業務是這麼重要就應該準備好了雖然行政院在總統在3月20號左右才公告但是現在已經4月出了所以如果你在3月20號以前也就是去在今年的1月立法院三讀通過之後認為這個需要一定要這個經費 |
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那就應該送就應該準備好了就應該準備好了所以這個部分請這個退伍會請主委趕快把解凍不管是書面報告或是要狀況報告都一樣要送來好不好我們會儘快完成準備謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝天才委員 謝謝好 那這個今天看起來很多人關心但是我還是要再強調一次這一個是一個禮拜前才復會才剛完所以真的是可能沒有辦法那麼迅速接下來請鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在接下來請葉元之委員上台質詢葉元之在 ON |
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麻煩請退伍會主委謝謝有請主委謝謝葉委員好主委好我們現在是那個超高齡的社會了我必須要非常肯定就是其實在我們板橋的板橋農家辦得非常好在3月的時候美國一個海外的作戰退伍軍人協會他到板橋農家參訪高度的肯定板橋農家的服務品質 |
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但現在有非常多的人想要進到板橋農家可是就是一直進不去我們來看一下一個數據是板橋農家在一般的安養公費部分現在有270個人在等 |
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那自費部分有907個人在等他都是比其他的農家多很多啦我相信這一部分可能也是因為我們農家除了辦得好之外我們交通啊 附近的資源是比較多所以大家都想要進板橋農家 |
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那我們板橋很多在地的一些居民他們的長輩送到龍家去像有一位板橋的那就是想要進板橋龍家就進不去所以他就去了台北龍家可是就一直想要回板橋龍家結果前一段時間家屬跟我們講說他就是等不到然後後來也過世就是到過世之前都一直沒有辦法進到板橋龍家就是自己的家鄉 |
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所以我是想問說主委我是知道我們板橋農家現在也要蓋一個失智樓嘛那主要是要服務失智的一些長輩吧那針對一般的安養的部分未來有可能會有增加的空間嗎 |
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他主要就是因為要實質專區實質旅館區的興建所以剛剛委員也提到了那他這個板橋輪廓他範圍有限他範圍有限 如果要再擴建安養的這些塘 園區之前都有盤點過嗎 能夠用的全部都用了嗎範圍應該都用上了 我們請就養處處長說明一下 |
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委員好 我是救援署署長鄭運國因為施治工程我們總共130床新建事實上板橋的腹地不多它大部分都是公園腹地等於盤點多事實上真的沒有空餘的空間我也知道排的人大概1000多人尤其安養我們是希望說能縮短到其他農家有些伯伯就是執意要板橋農家我們希望說轉到其他農家來住這個我知道 其他農家我知道我們現在是針對板橋農家 |
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硬體的部分剛剛跟您反映了還有就是有關於軟體的部分因為我上一次在這邊質詢也是有跟主委建議就是說我們現在要增加一些活躍老化的課程後來退伏會是有回我一個文是有提到說你們現在做兩件事情一個是由榮民總醫院 榮院來辦的 |
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那農院辦的話就是三個月體適能的課程還有認知功能訓練大概是一個就三個月一個禮拜一次然後另外有提到說會配合新北市政府的新北東健康的政策大概會四到十二月來進行 |
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那這4到12月是分三個階段第一個階段就是做預防延緩失能的介入課程每週一次然後再來就是7到12月就配合新北東健康會找外聘師資來帶領農家的住民進行相關運動課程 |
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那當然這個你們編22萬預算這個都非常感謝就是對我們那個板橋農民的照顧或者是我們板橋居民的照顧但我上次其實跟主委建議的就是說其實活躍老化它不只是在 |
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動健康這一塊因為現在按照WTO活躍老化的指標或者是它的定義應該是針對身體心靈跟心理還包括人際各方面都要促進健康那所以目前看起來這個活躍老化的課程比較偏向在運動這一塊所以我是還是 |
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建議有沒有可能主委這邊還是去研究一下除了運動的方面包括像心靈的提升心理的提升人際健康這幾塊是不是有可能再推出相關的課程出來為什麼我這樣講因為其實活躍老化這是一個國際的趨勢包括台灣現在也都一直在做這個事那活躍老化有一個很重要的指標叫交通的接近性 |
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就是說你在越便利的地方推這種課程其實對長輩來說他願意來參加但農家就是一個非常好的一個處所為什麼因為大家都住在裡面嘛而且環境很好而且大家住在一起可能大家就熟了嘛所以你如果安排這些課程讓他們去參與的話我覺得參與度是高的而且是可以達到效果的這比起你在其他地方開課什麼的我覺得誘因來得更大 |
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所以既然我們有那麼好的條件就環境你們可能在這個部分的課程就是軟體的部分提升其實這個投入的資源也不多嘛因為我看你們剛剛講的有關於運動課程其實也就才22萬而已啊所以只要一點點的錢其實就可以達到很好的效果 |
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不知道那個主委願不願意朝這個方向謝謝委員的關心我們的確希望榮家它是一個非常幸福的一個營養的環境所以陳主任他非常用心他在這一塊最近才辦了一個跟台鐵合作坐台鐵的火車出去旅行就走出戶外走出這個室外的空間那非常的多元化來進行剛剛委員講的活化就是讓他們怎麼樣去 |
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活躍老化不是活化對 活躍老化的一個活動它有很多的活動 很多的規劃所以我們各個同學都有特色那陳主任非常的用心我們會把我是說系統化啦現在不是說好像哪一個主任很用心他就這邊辦一個活動那邊辦一個活動而是說他可以系統化因為這其實有很多是理論支撐的東西啊你找一些比較懂這一塊的人來做一個課程的規劃嘛這樣會比較系統化我們會請就養處怎麼樣把它系統化再做一個規劃 |
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好那如果可以的話是不是也是一樣回一個類似這樣公文給我這樣但是寫得再清楚一點因為上次只給我一頁好謝謝我會送給委員好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝原汁委員那這個接下來有請翁曉琳委員上台質詢翁曉琳委員翁曉琳委員翁曉琳委員不在好那今天已登記的質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束 |
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那這個本日會議有林益君委員提出書面質詢那就列入記錄並刊登公報那本日委員書面及口頭質詢還沒有答覆的部分或要求補充資料則再請這一個退伏會再以書面來答覆好那我們因為我們等一下要先我們等一下要做這個基金等等相關的這一個審議那我們先等一下在下面所以我們現在先休息10分鐘好不好那我們請議事人員佈置協商的場地 |
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等一下來宣讀,他說宣讀十分鐘而已OKOK這建議的嗎? |
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好 我們現在繼續開會那我們來進行這個預算案的處理那請議事人員宣讀預算數及委員的提案目前看起來是有70幾個提案那這個呢 宣讀完畢之後呢請列席官員再移到這個協商桌來處理提案那宣讀大概要10到15分鐘 請宣讀 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主管甲非營業部分依作業基金國軍退儲役官兵安置基金依業務計劃依依據業務收支轉投資固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等項之審查結果隨同調整 |
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2.業務收支1. |
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業務總收入29億4,216萬2千元2. |
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業務總支出20億8,772萬元3. |
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本期剩餘8億5,444萬2千元3. |
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結繳公布金額無列數4. |
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轉投資計劃1億元 |
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5.固定资产建设改良扩充2亿4946万4千亿6.国库增波基金额无劣数2.作业基金荣民医疗作业基金一业务计划因依据业务收支转投资固定资产建设改良扩充及资金应用等项支审查结果随同调整2.业务收支一业务总收入 |
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八百四十七億九千一百九十八萬九千元二 業務總支出八百一十五億四千九百零一萬一千元三 本期剩餘三十二億四千兩百九十七萬八千元三 結繳公庫金額無劣數四 固定資產建設改良擴充六十一億兩百四十萬四千元五 國庫增撥基金額無劣數現在 宣讀委員制預算提案第一案至第四十案為國軍退出一官編安置基金之提案 |
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第41案至第70案為榮民醫療作業基金資提案第一案台東農場業務收入勞務收入增列198萬5千元委員林楚英等人提案第二案業務收入租金及權利金收入增列300萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第三案至第4案為管理及總務費用服務費用資預算提案第三案公關未落費 |
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動結五萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第四案推產費動結四十萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第五案至第八案為管理及總務費用之提案第五案動結十萬元委員林楚瑩等人提案第六案動結十萬元委員盧美玲等人提案第七案動結二十萬元委員黃仁等人提案第八案動結一百萬元委員王定宇等人提案第九案至第十一案為 |
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業務成本與費用退儲役官兵就學進修補助計畫之提案第九案凍結一百萬元委員王定宇等提案第十案凍結一百萬元委員黃仁等提案第十一案凍結一百萬元委員盧美玲等提案第十二案自第十三案為業務成本與費用退儲役官兵職業訓練計畫之提案第十二案 |
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動結五十萬元委員盧茉瑩等人提案 第四三案動結兩百萬元委員黃仁等人提案 第十四案至第十六案為優惠成本與費用退出與官兵就業輔導計畫之預算提案第十四案服務費用動結三百萬元委員陳俊宇等人提案第十五案捐助補助與獎助動結五十萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案 |
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第16案 凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第17案 業務成本與費用雜項業務費用凍結50萬元委員馬文君等提案第18案至第19案 |
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為業務成本與費用管理及總共費用之提案第十八案 修理保養及保固費 凍結八萬五千元五元零儲應等提案第十九案 凍結一百萬元五元零儲應等提案第二十案 業務成本與費用 銷貨成本 凍結一百萬元五元陳冠廷等提案第二十一案 業務成本與費用 業務費用 凍結一百萬元五元陳冠廷等提案 |
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第22案義務成本與費用管理及總務費用凍結100萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第23案固定資產建設改良擴充一次性項目凍結50萬元委員馬文君等提案第24案至第40案為主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容第24案 |
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請國軍退出官兵安置基金比照退輔會所屬醫療機構首長副首長績效平和實施要點引領當轉投資公司發生違反勞動法令受裁罰時相關紀錄須納入會見高階經理人會派代表年度考核之規規範並於三個月內將書面報告送至立法院外交及國防委員會提案人委員陳俊宇等提案第25案 |
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查近年退除役官兵会外就业安置以私人企业安置居多为平均每家合作企业提供退除役官兵就业人数人数偏低此外2023年部分职类之稳定就业受惠人数或受惠者平均薪资较2022年有效划资情形 |
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原要求安置基金管理會就上述兩點與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出檢討改進師書面報告體驗人委員沈伯陽等人第26案退府會彰化農場加一分場 |
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預計委外經營計劃113年9月及114年3月辦理招商皆未有廠商投標,然而加以分廠作邊旅遊條件及佳因積極與潛在之廠商意見交流並於兩個月內提出書面報告向立法院外交及國防委員會說明招商之進度提案人委員陳冠廷等人第27案退府會台東農場位於原住民 |
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位于原住民主地区,应积极强化与在地原住民团体之合作,善用农场资源,提升原住民主就业之机会,确保农场与地方原住民团体共荣发展,进而促进区域经济繁荣与社会稳定。提案人,委员黄仁等人。第28案。 |
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請輔導會因尊重原住民退儲役官兵對國家之貢獻採行更積極之就業輔導作為提升就業成效以彰顯國家對原住民退儲役官兵之照顧並於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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第29案退府會就農旗工廠已經被台南市政府公告為自然地景目前台南市政府在進行周邊支援盤點及整合並提出整體規劃就農旗地區提出未來發展方案及分期分區計劃請退府會儘速促請台南市政府完成土地撥用以符合地方民眾期待及促進地方發展提案人為王定宇等人 |
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第三十案 退府會辦理退廚藝官兵職業訓練計畫為持續有效協助退廚藝官兵尊敬能力及提升準協就業輔導會應就產業環境趨勢適時修正相關訓練做法與課程內容請輔導會於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人 委員王定宇等人 |
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第三十一案安置基金一百一十四年度預算就學補助津貼及獎勵編列一億兩千零三十四萬四千元為一百一十二年及一百一十三年度截至八月抵止經追蹤計劃訪事後回歸一般就業輔導機制之退除亦官兵各年度受益者均遇兩百人屬無業狀態願要求退輔會提出精進作為提案人員林益君等人第三十二案 |
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輔導會所管退除役官兵安置基金設有5所農場近3年度部分農場機構致引農場產品銷售觀光旅遊項目之成本收入佔比蓋城增加之趨勢各該農場成本管控能力有待強化體驗人委員林益君等人第33案退除役官兵就學進修補助計畫之補助大專院校進修項目年3年度均有預算操資之情形 |
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因延時編列 近三年度退除役官兵獲補助參加就業考試補習資錄取率 為及三成退輔會因協助退除役官兵取得專業技能 提高就業考試優勢提案人委員林益君等人 第34案安置接近114年度預算編列退除役官兵職業訓練計畫1億6873萬4千元 |
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110至113年度截至8月底止,辦理置辦訓練,容有提升空間,因改進並關注就業市場脈動與需求,適時檢討職訓內容,精進職業訓練品質,體驗人委員林益君等人。 |
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第三十五案安置基金一百一十四年度預算編列促進退儲役官兵穩定就業方案經費五億一千六百六十一萬五千元農林漁牧等市值類一百一十二年度穩定就業受惠人數或受惠者平均薪資均較一百一十一年度有下滑退輔會應持續觀察並追蹤受益者就業之狀況體驗人委員林益君等人 |
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第36案安置基金辦理退儲役官兵就業輔導計劃110至113年度平均每家合作企業提供退儲役官兵就業人數介於0.98人至2.1人人數偏低應與持續強化與企業協調合作開拓全國具發展性職缺並提升退儲役官兵之推介就業成效提案人委員馬文君等人 |
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第三十期案鑒於今年度受極低氣候變遷之影響年三年110至112年度安置基金所屬農場之農產品產銷數量衰退不如預期該基金應與妥適因應氣候變遷農產調適作為嚴厲具體可行性質調適方案引進優良品種果苗必促進農產之韌性與產銷績效 |
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體驗人委員馬文君等人第38案鑒於親近農場民養秀表演契金已逾30年其表演場地長期缺乏戶外遮陽設施不利欣賞舞台表演遊客抱怨年年建議農場應與時俱進增加民養秀場外戶外遮陽設施或是廣直綠運囊道完善旅客舒適觀賞空間云有檢討改進之必要體驗人委員馬文君等人 |
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第39案國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會近年積極與各部會合作推動推動退出於官兵居民專長轉嫌作業工作及建置居民專長轉嫌運用平台在規劃過程是否導入AI技術運用請國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳永康的人第40案退輔會轄下高山農場 |
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部分住宿及油氣設施因老舊旅遭旅客詬病為提升競爭力並優化旅遊品質其需及需進行硬體設施翻新升級以改善旅宿及油氣環境條件請退幅會議兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告體驗人委員陳永康等人第41案 |
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融米醫療作業基金業務成本與費用住院醫療成本凍結100萬元5元王定宇等人提案第42案業務成本與費用醫療成本凍結300萬元5元林楚英等人提案第43案 |
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業務成本與費用管理費用及總務費用凍結50萬元委員羅美玲等提案第44案業務成本與費用研究發展費用凍結500萬元委員林楚英等提案第45案業務成本與費用訓練費用凍結500萬元委員林楚英等提案第46案其他業務外費用凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第47案業務成本與費用凍結50萬元 |
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委員黃仁等提案第48案至第55案系固定資產建設改良擴充台北榮民總醫院加速型加速器型棚終止 |
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補貨治療已知提案第48案檢列2億6千萬元委員林益君等提案第49案檢列2億6千萬元委員馬文君等提案第50案檢列2億6千萬元委員沈伯陽等提案第51案檢列2億6千萬元委員林楚瑩等提案第52案檢列2億6千萬元委員陳俊宇等提案第53案檢列2億6千萬元委員陳冠廷等提案 |
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第五十四案 簡列良益六千萬元委員黃仁等提案第五十五案 凍結五十萬元委員徐巧欣等提案第五十六案是第七十二案為主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容第五十六案查一百一十四年度國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會榮米醫療作業基金資營運計畫將發展智慧醫療列為醫療服務項目標之一 |
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建請國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會與發展相關業務目標時務必與資通安全主管機關積極合作完善相關資安防護措施與人員教育訓練提案人委員沈伯陽等人 |
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第57案查衛福部中央健保署2025年將陸續推動個別醫院前瞻式預算分區共管事辦計畫為各醫院醫療人員人力短缺問題一發明顯期待積極施行改善措施並 |
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並視成效調整請國軍退出一官兵輔導委員會依據各榮民總醫院之營運狀況給予必要之協助以確保第一線醫療人員得減輕工作負擔並能提升整體醫療服務品質提案人委員沈伯陽等人第58案 |
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請國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會就各醫院違反勞動法規部分提出檢討改進措施並於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人第五十九案台北榮民總醫院御理及鳳林分院地處偏遠專科醫師招募不易且留任困難予求台北榮民總醫院應統籌醫療人力及資源運用於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出檢討改進之書面報告 |
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提案人委員沈伯陽等人第六十案各級容院仍應提高公職契約護理師薪資以吸引並穩定護理人才並增加護理人力以減少護理人員非護理性工作及強化分級醫療落實以確保醫療品質及人力資源提案人委員林楚英等人第六十一案 |
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查近一年內台北榮總高雄榮總北榮桃園分院共計有四次違反勞動基準法規紀錄請退府會確實督導所屬醫療機構檢視現行醫護勞動環境並於三個月內將書面報告送交立法院外交及國防委員會提案人委員陳俊宇等人 |
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第62案退府會所屬灣橋分院為嘉義縣山區居民依賴之中藥醫療院所護理人員攸關醫療服務量能因積極提出改善措施以提升醫療照顧品質提案人委員陳冠廷等人第63案 |
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建請國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會研議增加國防醫學院待訓公費生源額分發至所屬花東三院服務造福花東更多知名眾以促進花東人民健康提案人委員黃仁等人第六十四案退服會所屬容院配合衛福部政策積極推動住院整合照護服務計畫透過共聘照服員方式減輕護理人員非技術性照護及數目工作負荷 |
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請退府衛生給予內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王定宇等人第65案參與獎鑄部件鑄數是長照機構公共化資源計畫之多家醫院計畫預算執行率偏低應積極追蹤管制實地勘查排除自愛並提升預算執行率及工程之品質提案人委員林奕君等人第66案護理人員 |
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離職人數持續增加多家醫院人力短缺問題一發明顯期待積極實施改善措施並視成效調整必維持照護品質與要求退輔會經濟護理人力作為提案人委員林益君等人第67案據輔導會所屬榮民之家 |
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整體之戰床率位及八成, 擁有檢討空間,應託處育理及鳳林分院地處偏遠。專科醫師招募不易,且留任困難,應積極招募。專科醫師、復健科、骨科等專科醫師之醫生。提案人委員林益君等人。第68案,經查榮民醫療作業基金所屬部分醫院,近年度急性後期照護病床,有使用情形不佳或大幅下降之情形, |
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請退輔會因擬輕問題癥結並以潛在之需求脫除並提升適切之急性醫療整合性照護服務提案人為馬文君等人第69案請退輔會針對護理人員空缺積極提高預算員額並給予較高正值人員之名額 |
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採行增加留任獎金提高起薪調薪夜班費鼓勵退休人員回任等措施必維持照護品質及醫療服務量能提案人為馬文君等人第七十案建請國軍退出一官兵及早規劃將智慧型科技導入農家與農種及分院其能落實預防延緩農家長輩罹患失智及減輕照護者身心負擔請國軍退出一官兵輔導委員會於兩個月內 |
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向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳永康等人第七十一案現行榮民總醫院量能過度消耗基層診所使用率不足導致分級醫療體系無法發揮效益榮福處與榮總應共同篩選社區優質特約衛生診所提供部分醫療費用優惠提升基層醫療利用率 |
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使醫療服務全面化原件請國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人為陳永康等人第七十二案衛福部於113年3月1日實施推動三班戶病比標準制度為退輔會少數容院三班戶病比為達標準國軍退出於官兵輔導委員會應檢討增加護理人力提升薪資及福利建置友善工作環境 |
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请退府会与两个院令向立法院外交及国防委员会提出书面报告提案人委员陈永康等人宣读完毕 |
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好 謝謝大家那這個議事人員現在已經宣讀完畢了那我們在進行這個主案討論之前我們先來跟各位說明我們依循往例我們有幾個處理的大原則第一個原則就是呢如果退伏會已經有向提案委員提案委員如果已經有說明了而且有達成共識就直接報告這個溝通的成果好不好就溝通的成果包含說到底是凍結還是刪減還有建議的數額就直接報告 |
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那如果這個委員如果有其他的提問就直接也再補充說明我們這樣也比較迅速然後第二個就是大家應該有拿到列表我們這個預算提案我們就以分支計劃作為併案的原則好不好就是如果分支計劃不同的話我們就還是分開處理那我們當然試討論可以彈性處理 |
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那并案冻结或删减就选择其中一个提案当作主案的方式来处理这跟我们上个会期应该都一样那第三就是主提案人如果不在场的话呢我们原则上不处理除非他刚好有委托来一个其他的委员然后帮忙讲好那我们现在开始进行审查 |
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好那我們首先先從這個國軍退役這個退除役退除役官兵安置基金我們開始來主案討論那我們先從第一案開始第一案呢有關這個台東農場的這個勞務收入部分請退輔會說明這個比較特別這個是增列的 |
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第一案有關台東農場業務收入向下勞務收入提案委員為林楚瑩委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意增列收入150萬元好那楚瑩委員有沒有什麼要補充 |
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好我這邊補充就是當時我本來當然是說是兩百萬因為你們受到這個發展觀光條例落日條款往後延五年的關係那麼當然我覺得現在旅遊打開之後還是很缺這個就是休閒的地方那麼當然 |
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如果一百五十萬的話我相信你們在KPI當中比較容易達標啦所以我覺得就這樣成一百五十萬但是我還是認為啦多增加一點收入絕對對於整體的同仁來講本身還是一種另外一種激勵啦好不好 |
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好 那沒有問題的話呢那我們就第一案這個增列150萬150萬元好 那我們接下來處理第二案第二案是有關這個租金及權利金收入的部分也先請退府會說明第二案有關安置基金業務收入向下租金及權利金收入提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意增列收入50萬元 |
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好 那就有沒有什麼要補充好 原本我是增列300萬那經過協調之後就是增列50那增列50應該沒問題吧好 那就同意增列50好 |
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好那我們就沒問題第二案增列50萬我增列50萬元好接下來我們並案處理這一個第三案跟第四案他們的分支計劃是相同的都是這個管理費及總務費用那這個是有關安置基金管理費管理會的管理費用及總務費用那請退副會說明 |
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第三至四案並案有關安置基金管理會管理及總務費用向下公關未到費及推展費提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意並第五之八案辦理好那因為這兩案的這一個都是俊宇委員嘛有沒有什麼要補充的 |
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好還是尊重我們業務單位因為原本是凍結一個是五萬塊一個是四十萬那後來協調之後就是併案併案凍六十萬那應該沒問題吧好那就照凍六十萬好 |
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那就那這三四併本來是想說要不要跟5到8一起不過我們今天又分支計劃了那我們就先三四併好不好那所以呢我們這個第三案至第四案併案那我們因為兩案都是駿魚委員那就以駿魚委員的這一個第三案為主案好不好第三案為主案 |
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那目前的這個決定是凍結60萬元那提出書面報告那這邊要稍微確認一下因為在這一個這兩岸都是寫提出書面報告還要經同意那想確認一下是要提出書面報告就好了還是要提出書面報告還要經同意 遲得凍結 |
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我先確認一下這一個是要書面同意提出書面報告就好了提出書面報告我更正一下因為剛剛第三案跟第四案的金額是第四案比較高所以我們是第三案至第四案併案以陳俊宇委員的第四案為主案凍結60萬元提出書面報告後時的凍值 |
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好那我們針對所有這個以後這個之後病案凍結的情形那退府會答覆的這個書面報告請這一個如果是病案委員的提案的質詢事項然後也包含就足以回覆那我們就下面就不足以宣告了好那我們接續我們來處理這個第五案到第八案這一個是安置基金管理會的這個管理及總務費用其實這個退府會說明 |
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第五至第八案并案有关安置基金管理会管理及总务费用提案委员为林楚英罗美林黄仁昭委及王地宇等委员以至委员办公室说明及提供资料 |
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懇請委員同意第3至8案定案凍結管理及總務費用60萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資誒 這個齁 因為剛剛這個 因為剛剛是3、4案病 我沒有跟5到8病嘛但因為3到4剛剛是60對不對 3到4剛剛是60了所以呢 我們這邊 |
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對 因為剛剛本來本來他們在協商的時候是想要3到8一起併那因為第八案是這一個100 對 是100嘛所以用這一個然後減成60啦那所以的話呢對5到8併那3到4要維持60嗎3到8我先問一下然後你想一下嗯 |
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主委我們退府會曾經在太北其實我們現在是講霸是不是我們曾經在那邊的人員 送霸在那邊其實很送敬重他過世的時候那個太皇的哥哥還把那個地方降半旗 |
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我知道你們這些有跟台北相關的交流計劃那上面我問了一下我們現在農場都沒有我們的人了當地還有一些學校那個大概是屬於交友會的業務所以我是凍結的數額我們討論好我不去變動它了因為這一次緬甸的地震 |
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泰國人常講他們國家沒地震所以這一次連泰邊境那邊傷害很大我會建議退伏會以前的情誼都在那裡我們那邊還有一些街頭的人那以往那個地方很複雜美斯樂那邊非常複雜有屬於我們國安局業務的有屬於我們退伏會業務的有屬於僑委會業務的甚至於美國各方面那邊蠻複雜但這一次是人道的部分那我們本來跟泰北有一些計畫那是不是 |
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他們現在地震當中 退府會是不是關心一下看有沒有什麼可以協助的地方 這個我建議 |
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請退伏會要不要回覆一下王委員剛剛問的問題其實我們因為從109年因為疫情關係所以說我們跟泰國的交流大概中斷了6年時間那我們從111年開始我們就主動邀請泰國的駐台代表到我們福壽山農場去參訪今年我們還是邀請了駐台代表還有他們外交部的國際合作司副司長也來了 |
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那得到很多很正面的回應他也邀請我們六月份要回訪他們那回訪他們大概主要是曼谷跟另外一個就是剛剛講安康農場那些地方但是上禮拜地震以後我們輔導會第一時間我們就致電兩個單位就表達我們的關心了那六月份能不能呈訪因為現在災後復原階段我們現在還要再觀察這個事情特別跟王委員報告 |
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五到八案每一位委員的提案內容其實是不一樣的我這部分是看到台北市政府勞動局在2025年1月公佈新興客運 |
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他是違反這個勞基法那裁罰的這個金額呢其實是所有罰還金額排序是前五名那當然你們後來有做了一個書面的這個報告可是我還是需要一個口頭的這個說明因為你們有提到說這是因為計分方式變動的關係所以可能跟這個有關係所以變成說他的金額是會到前五名我想這個可能是要我想很多委員應該都會希望知道說為什麼欣欣 |
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客運的罰緩會是在這個所有的153個事業單位裡面的前五名我想這個蠻嚴重的問題這就再說明一下謝謝委員 報告委員跟您報告為什麼新興客運會被罰緩這麼多其實這個是牽扯到救治勞退基金的問題 |
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新興客運越是公營四頁,它的客運一頁,所以它的盈餘都很差一年大概一到兩千萬,他們所有盈餘都一年都平均盈餘尤其前幾年疫情期間它更差但是它的救治的勞動費基金要提撥一點多億所以說它實在沒有能力說我從口袋裡面掏錢出來給它我沒想到說用貸款的方式 |
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可是貸款的利息比台北市的罰款還要多所以我們才做了計畫逐年來攤還那今年3月底我們已經把所有錢的勞退基金都補足了這個是我們按照規劃來進行的規劃原本就是今年的3月把它完成補足大概是所以113年之後我們還是會被罰款45萬元特別跟委員已經解決了這個問題 |
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好 那處理委員謝謝主席本席所提出的這個部分雖然是在同一筆預算底下不過就處美麟委員所說的一樣大家關注的不太一樣本席其實一直關注的就是有關於國有土地被佔有的部分那麼在八百八十萬當中其實我只凍結十萬的原因是因為 |
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我還是肯定退府會現在用無人機的方式來減輕就是我們人力上面的負擔但是對於國有土地被佔有的這個部分我還是強烈的必須要求就是在有效的方式把它給收回來做更有效的運用跟使用因為這是土地正義當中非常重要的一環 |
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所以我只以凍結十萬但是當然我同意就是跟其他委員一起來並案審查因為我覺得數額不重要重要的是還是必須要讓退伏會以及向下所管理的這些土地尤其是農場在營運的過程使用當中還是必須屬於國家的土地就是要要回來 |
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那麼我只是希望能夠留作一個記錄表示退服會也有這個想法跟希望那麼在這個部分當然因為凍結就表示你們有其他更有效的處理方法的時候把報告交上來然後持續的讓管理的這些同仁們他有一個方向去依循那其實我們就可以解凍了是 謝謝委員 沒有問題 |
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我們這幾年的排占率我們自己統計大概排占了百分之八十幾現在只剩下少部分的包含花蓮那個沙子廠我們都要回來了我們通通都要回來了而且我也已經出去了所以還是給予肯定是 謝謝委員 |
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主席抱歉剛剛3到4案應該在溝通的時候是3到8案併案對3到8案3到8案所以請剛剛因為我們剛剛講說3到4案動60那3到8案一起討論 |
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因為剛剛因為本來是要按照分支計劃分但是因為溝通的結果是想說3到8因為畢竟他的業務計劃都是一樣的那我們就真的在場委員的同意那因為黃人委員不在那剛剛其他相關跟這一個管理跟總務費用提案的委員對於3到8那個併案有沒有什麼意見 |
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應該沒有那沒有的話呢我們因為這個金額比較高的是這個王定宇委那我們是不是把第三案到第八案併案那先以這個王定宇委員的這個第八案作為主案然後呢凍結六十萬好不好凍結六十萬 |
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那這邊我再講一次因為畢竟我們3到8是併的比較多但是還是請退伏會答覆的時候不能只是答覆第8案而已就是每一案所有的委員他們剛剛的concern他們剛剛的主張都一定要一併回覆那以下就不知道說明了這個是書面報告後時的動之 |
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好那這個接下來我們接續我們併案處理第九案至第十一案這個是有關這個退出一官兵就學的進修的補助計劃先請退輔會說明 |
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召委各位委員好我是就學就業處處長池玉蘭第九到第十一案病案有關安置基金管理會其他業務費用退出一官兵就學進修補助計畫提案委員為王定宇委員黃仁召委以及羅美玲委員等人均引至委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意病案凍結一百萬提書面報告後使得凍資 |
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好那這邊是黃委員跟美林委員黃任委員在嗎不在吼那這個立委員跟這一個美林委員有沒有什麼要補充的 |
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協調的數額是100嘛好那如果這樣沒有問題的話呢那我們就這一個第九案至第十一案然後併案那我們以這一個羅美玲委員的第十一案為主案好不好羅美玲委員主案那這個呢我們的結論是這個併案凍結100萬元提出書面報告後時的凍資 |
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好那接下來呢我們來處理第十二案到第十三案十二十二十三一起齁請這個退幅會說明第十二至第十三案並案有關安置基金管理會其他業務費用退出於官兵職業訓練計畫提案委員為羅美玲委員及黃仁昭偉等人均以至委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意並案凍結一百萬提書面報告後使得凍資好那這個嘿請 |
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這題呢是其實跟早上的質詢是有關係我要講的就是說因為黃人偉委員沒來是不是就不處理嗎是不是是這樣子嗎黃人偉委員不在嘛不在是不處理因為我現在凍結的部分是五十萬那您願意就是凍到一百萬嗎五十萬一百萬是我的啦 |
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可是你這裡沒有啊?十二十三啊?我跟黃忍而已啊?對,我跟黃忍啊那50萬?那就50啦謝謝委員 |
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好好那我們就第十二十三號第我們以為就只有GT12案因為這個黃仁委員不在那我們的這一個呢我們這個凍結最後是五十萬元提出書面告報告後時的動之那接下來呢我們接續處理第十四案至第十六案我們接續併案處理這是有關退儲役官兵的就業輔導計劃那請這一個托福會說明 |
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第十四至第十六案病案有關安置基金管理會其他業務費用退出於官兵就業輔導計畫提案委員為陳俊宇委員陳冠廷委員及王定宇委員等人均以至委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意病案凍結一百萬提書面報告後使得動之好那各位有沒有要補充請冠廷 |
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簡單說我看從111年到114年今年不算113年為止的話預算的未執行的這個率是蠻蠻嚴重的那都都是500多600多500多那預算都是700多所以是希望說能夠改進我本來是說動武士啊可是看大家的決定好那那個據委員會第一委員有沒有要補充的 |
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我一直說我們有相關的事業單位我們的持股比例跟安置就業的比例要盡量相符目前還有新章距離比較遠 |
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就只有他我們這幾年去鎖定這個我謝謝退伏會因為我們希望去安置就業不只是高階的將領軍官我們希望基層的他真的需要那一碗飯他退伍他需要一個工作而我們軍人的優秀不能說老是做三保工作保全那什麼的所以你們這幾年確實把那數字拉起來我看了整個統計所有新自備的大概都達標只有張化這個沒有達標有沒有特別的原因 |
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謝謝委員的關心您的關心之下我們從原本109年10%漲到現在19%上禮拜我們副副主委為了這個問題親自去拜訪了他們朱董事長也跟朱董事長談了這個問題而且是運用董事會力量去談了這個問題其他名股的董事會力量朱董事長當場也引問我們副副主委 |
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他會開很多直接出來給我們的人然後我們再透過我們執訓中心的合作兩個方面的合作來開發我們榮福處的推薦因為現在我們台中榮福處處長就是他們的股東董事就運用這種關係來協助他們把我們基層的官兵安置到你們繼續努力我還是會 |
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就業也不是一出可及有時候有職缺你們不見得有人所以要長期看那個線性的發展那現在那個條線看起來整體是有上來現在就剩下那個新章然後我們曾經提過台灣現在缺兩萬五千個護理師我們訓跟就職就是訓跟就職之間 |
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衛福部那邊應該要趕快提出一些護佐的基本的訓練課程我們的退伍軍人可以訓練成為護佐那經過專業考試成為護理師那將來支援我們威哥那邊點頭我們很多醫院的樓層關掉是因為缺護理師他去分擔他一些工作那對我退伍軍人來講這份待遇如果還不錯 |
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然後我們在急診室什麼有一些男性的護佐其實對急診室的安全也有所幫助啦所以這個部分一方面我要求衛福部另外一方面我們這邊是不是跟衛福部溝通訂出一個標準因為我們護佐很久沒有了就訂出一個訓練之後他成為護佐人員 |
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那有受過大專護理師訓練的人只考不上護理師執照的先從護佐過渡到護理師沒有這樣專長的透過部隊的我們的EMT EMTJ這些訓練完他成為護理護佐那一方面幫助就業二方面解決現在我們國家缺護理人員非常嚴重這個要拜託你們這個要把它當作一件事情來處理謝謝謝謝委員好 |
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那這樣如果沒有問題的話我們就第十四案到第十六案併案那我們以這個陳俊宇委員的第十四案為主案然後凍結一百萬元那要提出這個書面報告後時的通知是好 那接下來我們進入第十七案雖然是 這個是 你去問這個但是他是放在雜項裡面的業務然後那不是同一個輔導計畫那我們就獨立處理第十七案先請退輔會說明 |
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好 那馬文維 |
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金耳部分有討論過同意凍結30萬不過我們還是要特別強調因為我們今天在質詢的時候也提到我們一直不管你要用什麼對接的方式或者你直顯你要怎麼樣去對照或者像我們現在質詢近兩年它沒有辦法達到理想我們自己都找不出原因的話你後續要推的那個都有困難 |
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那為什麼沒有辦法達到那個目標額很重要的就是我們有提到證照嘛因為你如果沒有證照你現在所有的各行各業都需要不管是水電不管包括你有很多的廚師十一住行有很多其實都需要所以證照的部分怎麼樣去協助他們取得或者在軍中怎麼樣可以轉換我想這個可以整體的去做一個考量那凍結數統一30萬 |
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我們希望可以有一個具體的一個改善的方案還有早上我們提到的就是怎麼樣委外我們需要那個資料一併提供謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝馬委員那我們還是原則是不是就是提出書面報告以後是的 董事因為你原來有寫同意好 |
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那我們現在就是第17案,我們的決定是凍結30萬元然後提出書面報告後,使得凍值主席,我的還是要經同意好了要經同意是不是?對對對,謝謝好,沒問題的話我再唸一次,那就第17案,我們凍結30萬元要提出書面報告後,並經同意後,使得凍值 |
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好 接下來我們接續併案處理第十八案跟第十九案是有關彰化農場的這個管理費用及這個總務費用請退伏會先說明第十八案是第十九案併案有關彰化農場管理及總務費用向下修理保養及保固費提案委員為林祖英委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意併案凍結管理及總務費用一百萬元提書面報告後 使得通知 |
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好我想這個彰化農場的事情審計部也有就是查核發現有這個所謂廠商違反規定然後有關於這個違建的部分是已經拆了沒問題那有關於後續的這個標案的部分當然就是還是請你們詢問這個所謂潛在的廠商想趕快把這個標案能夠做一個完善的處理那金額沒有問題 |
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謝委員好那如果沒有問題的話呢那我們就第十八案第十八案第十九案併案那就以第十九案為主案因為都是這個處理委員那最後呢就是建議我們就是併案凍結然後那就併案凍結一百萬提出書面報告後時的凍結那接下來呢我們接續處理第二十案請退幅會說明 |
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第二十案有關業務成本與費用銷貨成本提案委員為陳冠廷委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意凍結五十萬元提書面報告後使得凍資 |
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對請謝謝我們有看一下就是主要是看這個比例跟達標率那從一年來到一二年那他的達標率是沒有成長甚至有下降好的趨勢比較不穩定那是說但是因為溝通之後我們是同意就是改動五十萬主要是還是希望你們有把你們的預算說明能夠做到就開發新的節水技術等等產銷履歷驗證等等 |
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這樣的話再麻煩了好那沒問題的話呢我們宣告處理結果那就第20案那我們呢凍結50萬元要提出書面報告後時得凍資那我們接下來處理第21案 |
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第二十一案有關業務成本與業務費用 提案委員為陳冠廷委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料 懇請委員同意改組決議 |
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第二十二案有關管理及總務費用提案委員為陳俊宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意凍結五十萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資 |
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好 俊宇有要補充說明嗎好 沒有就同意那個改50萬凍結凍結50萬因為本來是看他那個違法佔用的這個件數逐年下降實際上可能用的這個金額可能沒那麼多那協調之後我同意啦 同意就凍結50萬 |
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好 那我們宣告處理結果 這個第22案我們凍結50萬元那要提出書面報告後 使得凍資那我們接續處理第23案 請退幅會說明第23案有關清淨農場一般建築及設備計畫提案委員為馬文君委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意30萬元提書面報告後 使得凍資 |
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因為這個案子主要是在近五年我們看到那個綿羊的死亡數其實在111年的時候是最多有 |
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高達77頭的綿羊死亡那113年又比112年多112有降下來可是113又有將近50頭的綿羊又有死亡然後問那個原因大概是因為流浪犬的問題 |
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其實我們也非常謝謝親近農場在上一次針對有一些蒙古國來做一些馬術表演的時候我們有做很多的硬體設施其實有立即改善那我們既然要收費我們也希望提供給不管遊客或者國人來的時候都有更好的一個旅遊觀光品質可是也相對的因為我們在親近農場也養了很多的動物 |
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不管是馬、羊或者其他的小動物我們都希望其實牠每一個生命都非常的重要那既然已經發現牠可能會受到流浪犬的攻擊我們就應該要好好的去把它做好牠的防護或者牠的安全或是做更好的照顧那這個部分有什麼樣積極的作為是有來報告可是我們希望可以立即很快的去做改善同意凍結30萬謝謝委員 |
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好那沒有問題的話呢我們來保護這些養妹妹那我們來宣告處理結果這個第23案那我們最後是凍結30萬元然後剛剛按照馬尾是要提出書面報告並經同意並經同意使得凍之好那接下來就在安置基金的部分我們接續要主案處理主決議的部分 |
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那如果機關針對該項主決議是沒有意見的就直接回覆遵照辦理這樣就可以了那如果有修正意見的話請具體說明修正的文字來給委員們討論那我們現在先處理主決議的第24案 |
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遵照辦理好那我們第24案主決議照案通過那我們現在處理主決議第25案遵照辦理好那第25案我們就照案通過那現在處理26案26案遵照辦理好那第26案我們照案通過接續處理第27案主決議 |
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27案 遵照辦理好 那27案主決議照案通過那我們現在處理第28案遵照辦理好 那第28案主決議照案通過那第29案29案遵照辦理好 那第29案主決議照案通過第30案遵照辦理好 那第30案主決議照案通過第31案遵照辦理好 那第31案主決議照案通過第32案呢 |
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還是我的好遵照辦理好那第32案主決議照案通過第33案遵照辦理好第33案主決議照案通過第34案遵照辦理好那第34案主決議照案通過第35案遵照辦理第35案主決議照案通過第36案遵照辦理 |
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那第36案主決議照案通過第37案遵照辦理那第37案主決議照案通過第38案遵照辦理那第38案主決議照案通過第39案遵照辦理那第39案主決議照案通過第40案遵照辦理第40案主決議照案通過那我們再來處理新增的這個主決議剛剛改主決議的共一案請議事人員宣讀 |
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原來的第21案就是剛剛應該是冠廷的那一案嗎要改組決議第41案國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主管安置基金業務費用主要用於各農場推廣農產品及發展油氣旅遊觀光資金費支出事項預算編列近年來有增加之情形然而農場之住宿成本增加幅度大於收入之情形執行成果 |
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衛達期待以通盤監討農場住宿成本管控同步改善旅宿設施及遊器環境提供優質之旅遊體驗以提升觀光服務品質增進經營績效體驗委員陳冠廷等人宣讀完畢 |
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好那我們這個第41的這個主決議照案通過好那我們接續我們來主案討論另外一個就是榮民醫療這個部分榮民醫療的作業基金好那我們先從第41案開始請退幅會說明 |
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好 這邊是定於委員的第41案有沒有什麼要補充說明 |
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我們現在在農民醫院體系醫師的流動率還好 穩定嘛護理師的狀況怎麼樣目前護理師的護病比也都是足夠的足夠嗎是足夠 而且我們的離職率比全國的平均率還要低你確定足夠嗎確定足夠 是威哥你們夠 |
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因為我現在要薪資的調整我們好像剛進來的門診護理師薪水是三萬出頭對不對沒有 full time 的全職的是不是三萬出頭我講的是一般門診護理師 |
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好像是三萬出頭因為這樣的待遇對護理師來講他的工作的負荷loading跟報酬之間能不能達到長留久用這可能要研究一下我們像北龍市大概北台灣最大的單一量體醫院可能要做示範帶頭的作用這給你們建議 |
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好那如果没有问题的话那我们刚刚建议的这个冻结数是50嘛对不对好那我们来这个宣告处理结果第41案最后是冻结50万元提出书面报告后时得冻之那我们接续处理第42案请退幅会说明 |
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第42案有關榮民醫療作業金醫療成本提案委員為林楚瑩委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意改為主決議辦理好 楚瑩委員 |
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為了節省大家時間那我就一併說明一下有關於我提的424445我都全部改成了主決議那主要其實我這些提案都是希望能夠針對因為我們其實在我們的所有的醫院當中大家是我們的服務我們的榮民嘛那我們的榮民當中年紀也都偏高 |
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那麼如何在他們就醫的過程當中能夠透過AI或者是其他的這些機器服務能夠整體來提升他們在就醫上面不只是平值而且甚至於是在就醫的時候可以更方便他們在就醫那所以等一下就不用特別報告就是我所提的4445都全部改成主決議 |
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然後我也代替羅美玲委員報告她的43案也改成主決議所以就是42到45統統改成主決議謝謝委員謝謝主席42到45是不是42到45所以剛剛第43案也一併幫羅美玲委員說明是不是好 |
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那這樣的話呢那我們就處理結果我們第42案到這一個第45案都改成主決議因為有三個是儲殷委員提案一個是梅林委員的提案那麼就一併42案到第45案改為主決議那待會再宣讀那我們接下來處理第46案第46案請特輔會說明第46案有關農民醫療作業金 |
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業務外費用向下其他業務外費用提案委員為王定宇委員以致委員辦公室說明及提供資料懇請委員同意改為主決議辦理好那定宇委員這一個就是你是不是也跟剛剛前面一樣改為主決議好那這個我們處理結果第46案也改為主決議那我們接下來處理第4747第47案華人委員華人委員不在那那小新委員要幫他要幫他講第47案嗎 |
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他好像有溝通是要弄主決議是不是還是 |
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47啊 我不太確定改主決議改主決議了吧她拿了書面來說要改主決議改主決議 謝謝好 那我們第47案也改成主決議那接下來我們併案處理第48案至第55案這個是有關台北榮民總醫院加速氣型這個膨中子不獲治療儀的部分那把它分兩個部分是因為這個因為後來拿到捐款所以我知道很多委員提的這個是這一個直接減2億6千萬 |
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但是這個巧馨委員有提這個另外凍結無時所以是不是先請這個巧馨說明補充說明這一個部分其實我沒有任何意見因為他本來是要來做這些醫療方面的 |
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那但是呢後來已經找到了這個能夠提供資助者好所以無論是用刪減的方式或是用凍結的方式那我個人在這裡是沒有意見的那我只凍結50萬元就是希望給他們一些鼓勵而已就這樣子謝謝那退伏在這邊呢有沒有要說明的 |
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第四十八案到第五十五案 並按悉 農民醫療作業基金台北農民總醫院固定資產建設改良擴充項目下台北農民總醫院加速器型膨脹止薄荷治療提案委員分別為 沈博洋召委 黃仁召委 林益君委員 馬文君委員 林儲銘委員 陳靜雲委員 陳冠林委員 徐巧欣委員進行到委員辦公室說明及提供資料因為目前已經獲得善心人士的見證 興建 |
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懇請委員同意減列2.6億元減列2.6億那我們就不另外凍結這樣是如果可以不要另外凍結非常感恩那我們就這個第48案到第55案我們來宣告這個48到55的處理結果我們就以林益君委員的 |
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的領域軍委第48案為主案好不好 領域軍委員那最後的是簡列2.6億 簡列2.6億好 接下來 接下來又是 接下來是組決議了好 那接下來組決議那我們就跟剛剛一樣 如果說就是是遵照辦理的話就直接說遵照辦理那我們先來看第56案 |
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遵照辦理好那第56案我們就改成主決議照案通過第57案遵照辦理好那第57案改主決議照案不是改主決議57案主決議照案通過第58案遵照辦理好那我們就第58案主決議照案通過第59案遵照辦理那第59案主決議照案通過第60案遵照辦理好那第60案主決議照案通過第61案遵照辦理 |
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第61案主決議照案通過第62案 遵照辦理第62案主決議照案通過第63案 遵照辦理第63案主決議照案通過第64案 遵照辦理第64案主決議照案通過第65案 遵照辦理第65案主決議照案通過第66案 遵照辦理 |
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第66案主決議照案通過第67案 遵照辦理第67案主決議照案通過第68案 遵照辦理第68案主決議照案通過第69案 遵照辦理第69案主決議照案通過第70案 遵照辦理第70案主決議照案通過第71案 遵照辦理第71案主決議照案通過第72案 遵照辦理 |
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第七十二案主決議照案通過那因為呢剛剛有很多重新要新增主決議的所以我們休息三分鐘然後等一下來宣讀這個新增主決議的部分休息三分鐘 |
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15311.011 |
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那等下再講話嗎 等下嘛就不用再講話了 念完就好靜靜思念 靜靜思念有什麼心情 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15335.751 |
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15335.871 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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15357.927 |
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我跟他致敬我跟他致敬我跟他致敬我跟他致敬 |
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那現在就是醫院都在發展所以我們剩餘都沒有繳付我們就留在醫院 |
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15409.915 |
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15411.116 |
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那個會有那個還要看心願的 |
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15435.065 |
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那是新加坡老区公共集团的一个集团那是新加坡老区公共集团的一个集团那是新加坡老区公共集团的一个集团那是新加坡老区公共集团的一个集团 |
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我們會長那個 |
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15490.15 |
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15507.623 |
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好那我們繼續開會齁那因為接下來有新增的主決議有六案我們先請議事人員宣讀第七十二之一案台北榮民總醫院預理分院一百一十三年預算業務順於四十四萬四千元為一百一十四年 |
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15508.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15536.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
預算業務短處576萬9千元其中業務成本與費用有113年成長3410萬3千元台北榮民總醫院育理分院業務成本與費用114年成長率1.45%遠高於業務收入成長率1.18%請退譜會議三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出業務績效改善書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人第72支二案 |
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近年度部分榮民醫院有違反勞動法規而屢遭處分刑事請退府會確實督導各院就常見違規樣態注意改善以建構良好之醫院勞動環境亦可提升病人之就醫品質提案人委員羅美玲等人第七十二之三案 |
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15569.154 |
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病人自主權利法於2019年1月6日施行預立醫療遺囑旨在保障民眾在失去意識時或決策能力時依據個人意願接受或拒絕醫療行為之權利請退服會 |
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15573.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
督促所屬榮運以病人最大利益考量結合跨領域專業團隊推動育立醫療照護諮商及育立醫療遺囑提升末期病人生活之品質於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林楚英等人 |
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第72支事案,台灣即將於2025年進入超高齡社會,請退府會因督促所屬醫院持續透過教育訓練增進高齡照護人員核心技能,提供以實證為基礎之優質醫療照護,並以3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告。提案人為林楚英等人, |
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第七十二支五案建於台北榮民總醫院與台灣微軟於二零二五年三月簽署合作備忘錄計劃導入生成式AI技術開發醫療應用請國軍退出官兵輔導委員會對於AI醫療使用建置資料治理各支保護及倫理審查之具體規範於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告 |
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15640.642 |
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體驗人委員林楚英等人第七十二之六案經查一百零九至一百一十三年八月抵職退府會所屬醫院違反勞基法、工會法、性別平等工作法等規定者及七件請國軍退除與官兵輔導委員會於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告體驗人委員王定宇等人宣讀完畢 |
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好 那這幾案 第72-1案這個特不會 都沒問題 遵照辦理好 那我們第72-1主決議通過 72-2遵照辦理好 那72-2主決議招案通過 72-3遵照辦理好 72-3主決議招案通過 72-4遵照辦理72-4主決議招案通過 72-5遵照辦理好 72-5主決議招案通過 最後一個72-6 |
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15713.5 |
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遵照辦理七十二之六主決議照案通過好那這個呢一一四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算那關於這個國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會主管的非營業基金兩項作業基金都已經審查完略了那我會送到財政委員會會診後再提報院會那請問院會審議前有需要黨團協商嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
應該不用 我們就不用黨團協商所以我們這邊做決定 我們不用黨團協商再來 院會決議時請推派一位委員做補充說明請推派好 那就是我了本日審查如有預算科目物質或金額的調整我們就授權議事人員處理 大家應該沒問題吧沒問題的話本日會議到此結束 散會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
謝謝主委謝謝 |
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15766.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
太好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
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15801.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
謝謝,謝謝,謝謝 |