| IVOD_ID |
165635 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165635 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,19,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T12:57:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T13:05:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d1f9824676955b984e7119a7747a4c5c6c662daff7a264498a44d40c79ee0f93675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:57:15 - 13:05:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：11月18日（二）下午3時】
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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現在請李坤成委員質詢謝謝主席我們先請內政部劉部長請劉部長 |
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委員你好來 部長好我在手上有一本這個台灣安全台灣全民的安全指引我發現我這本其實是舊版因為你們新版還特別把這個馬灘系的顏色湖有把它加進去是不是 |
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對 應該就是有些大自然災變的部分我們覺得有與時漸進的話那國安會指導我們就把它放到裡面去因為我這個是比較少拿到的版本所以這裡面的版本 我比對了一下這個新的版本裡面還有花蓮馬太安溪的這個煙色湖 |
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然後如何遇到危險的時候天災的時候怎麼去做防範因為我們會遇到這本書裡面這個其實有天災有人禍預防天災就是我們剛剛常講的颱風 地震 土石流 煙車等等還有包含就是說遇到的威脅有可能是軍事侵略都寫在這裡面對不對 |
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那請問一下部長 這本手冊是從今天開始普發嗎是開始作業 要分地區對 因為我看國防部還有內政部有說明是採取用選舉公報的方式做普發就對了是不是 |
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對 就是我們會透過民政系統來協助普發這個全民安全國防組織那大概最晚是哪時候全民可以拿到這一本書因為我覺得這本書其實編得蠻好的明年初 明年初過年前 希望1月對 農曆 農曆明年農曆過年前都能夠拿到其實我是覺得啦我們自己的這一個不管是景蕭益 蕭明房啊他們這一本應該都要好好的去參閱一下因為其實裡面蠻多值得參考的地方啦 |
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報告委員 警消 民防 疫消他們本來就要會這些不是只有拿這個來參考而且他們還要救人所以不太一樣裡面的資訊是蠻新的啦是好 那謝謝劉部長接下來請這一個我們財政部莊部長好 請莊部長還有主計處我們這個陳主計長好 陳主計長這個有一些可能要說明一下免得被外界 |
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誤會啦說昨天你們有找這個各縣市的這個財主單位有來開會是不是然後呢這個我看你們開會的主要是中央跟地方的事權的劃分原則嘛所以主要是在講這一個事權的劃分原則嘛因為財劃法的這一個水平分配的話應該之前財政部就有說過了嘛 |
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就是說我們水平分配的指標大概是哪些大概都有講過了所以昨天我看有很多的在野黨今天就拿說怎麼兩張Air Force兩張Air Force就要來決定財務法這個主計長要對外講清楚 |
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是 這個部分我們主要是針對市權的一個原則和結構來做說明而且它大部分市權的一個分派大部分跟114年度大致相同是大家各縣市所熟悉的一個方式所以這個部分在整個一個紙張方面就沒有那個只做一個簡報的一個分析它一張一個說明這樣 |
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因為它是跟114年度的一般性補助款還有計劃型補助款原則上是都一樣還有包括一般性補助款裡面的一個基本財政收支差短移到統籌分配稅去這樣我們是就針對原則性的一個說明所以這個部分並沒有涉及到整個財劃法裡面它一個財源分配的一個問題那我接下來請莊部長 |
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那這個我們這個行政院版的這個財化法是明天會送院會是的 明天會提報院會討論那麼在院會之後會有記者會我們會詳細的報告跟大家報告財化法修正案的一個整體價格就是它的垂直跟水平就對了對 都會報告好 那我先問一下這個垂直分配來講的話會比這一個114年度的這一個分配的款項還要多嗎 |
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會比114年就是三項合計中央統籌分配稅款加一般性補助款加計劃型補助款會比114年當然會增加也會比115年的總規模來的增加那增加去年是多少 |
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一兆零一百三十一億那一百一十五年是一兆一千六百八十三億所以多多少多多少那明天會約會討論後再來做一個試算因為這個設計我們基本上是用像一一五年是用一一五年的稅客收入來計算所以垂直分配基本上會比一百一十四年還多就對了會多的那這個統籌分配款的部分呢因為今年等於是四千四百多億 |
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4676億那115年是8874億那我們在三項佳績會比這114跟115年都增加那中央統籌分配稅款的規模當然我們要考慮到市權的一個調整也就是剛剛主席長所講的 |
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那在這個有關市權調整也就屬於地方自治的事項要回歸到地方去辦理的事項有哪一些但是會在中央統籌分配稅款裡面把它放到基準財政收的需要額裡面去也就是說會把它納入 |
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是不是就是說我可以講就是說因為市權你們有做重新的調整了市權做按照地方自治事項做一些回歸的部分那當然一般性補助款也還是會有那計劃型補助款也還是會有那所以因為市權做了調整了原本是要由地方來做處理過去由中央來支付的未來會回到地方來做處理 |
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部分不是全部那就是屬於經常性的經常性常態性的對那所以這樣子的話整個統籌分配款是因為這樣增加嗎除了這個當然還有其他的因素我們認為要提升地方財政自主一向來就是財化法在我們在財政部討論以後行政院討論的時候提升地方的財政自主本來就是我們的一個目標 |
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那最後再問 如果按照這一個因為我們願版是明天才送那接下來要送到立法院來那如果按照這個在野黨他們目前所通過的這一個財務法的修正案的話那你們有提過第一個自愛難行 要舉債那舉債又會違反這個公債法然後總預算也不可能主席長 總預算也不可能退回去從邊 |
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因為他要增加2646億那超過舉債的一個上限所以我們這是沒有辦法的對 也沒辦法退回去從邊那這個也會違反了公債法的舉債上限15%的規定那怎麼辦 |
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我們現在要循憲政的一個程序來做救濟可是第一個你如果要服役的話也不會過我想政治現實第二個我們這個大法官現在也沒辦法來做這個事先案的這個裁判那所以呢所以我們有新的裁判法提出來我們希望也是大家希望用現在的裁判法來做處理就對了大家一起共同來討論然後來看這個有沒有一個 |
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所以新的財化法是能夠解決目前的僵局就對了可以 希望如此好 謝謝好 謝謝李坤勝委員 |