| IVOD_ID |
165623 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165623 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T12:00:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T12:12:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d15d5f15cc7f4b233f0799e8a58cec5c3e90886039ce1be0fd11aaf748057b52845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:32 - 12:12:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員葉元之等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第六十條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員王育敏等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員蘇清泉等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員廖先翔等22人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第八案如經復議，則不予審查】） |
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好 謝謝 接下來請陳瑛委員發言麻煩請衛福部部長請衛福部時部長 |
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陳委員好部長好我們今天討論這個家庭暴力防治法的修法那根據第五條的規定衛福部應該每四年對家庭暴力的問題防治現況成效與需求進行調查分析並且要定期公佈家庭暴力致死的人數各項補助及醫療支出的統計分析資料首先要請教最近一次的調查統計報告是哪一年公佈的 |
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我們公布的是2020到2023年的這個報告那已經發布了所以是在哪一年公布了這個資料今年今年的幾月份 |
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10月份10月份才好所以我們2025年的10月公佈公佈了這個發佈了這個2020年到2023年的交警暴力防防制的報告 |
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這部法令在衛福部內部的這個主政單位是社家署還是保護司保護司保護司好那事實上呢這部法從87年開始實施以來好像這個家暴的這個通報人數每年都以七八千件的比例不斷的在增加那從109年149000件到113年179000件 |
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然后大概有5成左右都是出自枕边人女性的部分约占了7成而且平均都是忍受了4.2年才会通报这样的结果其实令人是很惊讶的卫福部可不可以解释一下这个问题到底是出在什么样的地方是我们 |
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这个法令规范不足呢还是执行面上的问题还是说因为在整个这个社会的这个眼镜当中大家的生活压力都太大了 |
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跟委員報告就是說我們有兩個啦一個是說流行病學的推估它的那個可能的這個黑數還有多少那以我們現在的通報量來講呢其實是還有黑數的所以如何去去這個讓就像委員所看到呃呈現的資料這個時間上還是拖了所以應該要有更多的這個宣導跟這個讓讓大家知道這個 |
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怎样的事件呢其实是符合这个家报那他能够怎么样通报出来可以得到什么样的协助所以我们一直在社区推广这方面所以部长也觉得说那个发布的时间这个报告发布的时间其实是还真的是拖了因为我这样看也慢了将近整整两年 |
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所以这个部分可能在发布的时程上你们需要再多压缩一些那再来因为各县市政府也就是这部法的地方主管机关那请教一下部长你们统计有没有针对县市别去分析县市别有有分县市别那再麻烦你们提供给我们好 |
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因為我們這邊還沒看到就是我們內部有啦那可能在這個公開的報告上面沒有呈現吧你們也有嗎這在另外一個啦在另外一個在我們的統計處 |
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這另外一個在另外不是這一本那有公佈嗎有有有那個是好那麻煩在資料提供給我那好那看起來你們有所掌握那你們可不可以講一下就是說在在這個城鄉差距是不是到底是人口比較擁擠生活壓力比較大的都會區呢家暴件數比較多呢還是說人口比較少的縣市那可能因為社工及保護人力比較不足家暴通報的案件就 |
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反而比較高到底是怎麼樣的情況 你們可以講一下從數據上面看起來六都的數據是一定是高的那特別是像新北因為它的總人口數也多所以它的通報量幾乎佔我們的全國的六分之一也就是這麼高 |
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相对的比较是偏乡的县市我会觉得一个是他的家庭支持的系统以及他的民情可能比较淳朴社区支持的系统例如说九里之间零里之间的系统比较紧密所以他的通报量相较的也就是他的施暴的状况是比较稳定的我们看起来是这个样子的 |
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好 謝謝那其次因為你們的統計數字是以這個件數為單位那家暴往往再犯的可能是有的那所以衛福部能不能跟我們講一下說再犯的比例大概是多少 |
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目前應該是說再通報就是再被通報已經進到我們的服務體系之後在服務當中又再被通報這種比例是也有一定的程度所以又再被通報你們的定義是就是再次受到家暴他又通報出來 |
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好不會一件被受到家暴一次通報通報兩次確認一下再通報就是但是你們要用講好再通報好那 |
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家暴法裡面有一項很重要的這個作為就是要對加害人實施這個處遇計劃也就是說對於加害人實施認知教育輔導輕職教育輔導心理輔導精神治療還有戒癮治療以及其他的這個輔導跟治療那請教一下部長一般這樣的計劃大概是時間多長有沒有強制性那每年加害人接受計劃的這個輔導大概有多少件多少比例 |
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那个处愈的部分大概有戒饮戒治好这几个这个是比较我们比较重要的那这个我们过去的包含精神治疗包含戒饮治疗那么还有一些是像这个亲子辅导认知教育辅导等等这一些 |
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那我们如果按照执行率来看就是应该这个以113年为例那么以这个认知辅导这边是最多大概占了85%那其次才是这个精神治疗的部分是17%好谢谢那再根据家庭暴力防治法为推动家庭暴力及性侵害的相关防治工作卫福部应设置基金目前你们基金的这个额度有多少 |
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因為我們的基金大致上都是用公務預算從這個撥補的部分那因為有推動2.0就我們的山網加解我們一年大概20億左右好那地方縣市政府的防止家暴是要自己編列預算還是你們會補助那你那這個補助的預算 |
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但每年怎麼樣的編列還是說透過這個基金去給縣市政府原則上地方也要有自己的自由財源他們要自己編預算那有一些計畫我們就會用計畫型補助例如社會安全網那我們的補助就按照行政院規定這個50%到90%這樣的比例按照他的財力分析 |
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好 那另外在這部法59條有規定移民主管機關應辦理移民業務人員防止家庭暴力的在職教育那要請教你們就是為什麼移民業務人員也要接受防止家暴教育那他們在學完之後有相關的職權去針對移民推動家暴防制業務嗎 |
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移民主軟器官他會接觸到我們的新住民甚至是移工那他也有可能在他的家庭或者是他的工作場所遭到僱主或遭到家人的不法侵犯所以他們有職權去推動這樣子的防治業務他基本上就是宣導還有敏感到要做通報好 那說到這裡重點來了 |
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就是说当然我们也关心这个外籍的劳工朋友就我们了解了说如果都是这个双方都是外籍劳工那他们在台湾是不是他们在台湾其实是不能组家庭的 |
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但是呢卻可以住在一起生養小孩這是他們能做的那萬一發生家暴受害的外籍勞工朋友可能他們到底能不能得到這部家庭暴力防治法的保護因為他們的小孩也有可能會被傷害我不知道你們的看法是什麼 |
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對啊 只要對應該是都在我們的保護範圍啦都在您提的是移工嘛對 因為雙方都他們我講的是兩邊都是外籍的兩邊都是外籍的喔不是嫁給台灣人喔部長要不要想一下可以嗎 |
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因為他們不能組家庭但是卻有家庭生活的事實共居的概念 |
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對 但是因為這比較特別我想今天質詢的一個心得一個很重要的我覺得是大家疏漏的地方特別請稍微多給一點時間我趕快把它講完那因為我們一年在台灣就出生這樣800個這樣的孩子那這幾年下來你們有掌握累積了多少黑虎寶寶了嗎黑虎寶寶好像 |
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650.724 |
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這個部分我們會以後再提供對你們如果你們有所掌握那我剛剛提出來的就是一個很重要的一個問題了那因為這部家庭暴力防治法對於這個勞動主管機關只有規定被家暴後的職業訓練跟就業服務的部分那因為 |
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651.945 |
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677.461 |
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勞動部紅部長他標榜一向都非常特別關心外籍勞工朋友的權益而且呢台大研究已經有發表這個家暴的發生會降低勞動參與率喔也就是會導致離開職場那勞動部對於這個職場僱主的暴力已經有安置的措施所以本席建議衛福部可能要找勞動部好好討論一下基於人道的立場協調一個部會可以去關注這個問題 |
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679.627 |
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706.465 |
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那我们希望就是说今天点出这个部分看起来是有疏漏啦我们漏掉了这一块那我想就是说我们一起努力让我们就是国家的每一个家庭不要有人在黑暗中哭泣啦那我们就一起努力这样子谢谢委员对移工的受暴的部分我们来强化好谢谢谢谢陈寅委员发言 |