| IVOD_ID |
165614 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165614 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T11:43:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T11:53:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d19b39f6e38550952f56e0913f8e9ddf6f45c75d439e1a44ece7ecaafb1c2cb07b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:29 - 11:53:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣中油股份有限公司董事長及行政院公共工程委員會首長就「中油三接案第二期遭檢舉浮報工程款項爭議」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是先請工程會今天是副主委請我們工程會副主委陳偉強陳副主委謝謝 |
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副主委從丹納斯颱風到現在我多次的跟工程會建議現在政府的工程的人才人才荒你的禁用方式不管是錄取或者是留任基本上都是非常的慘 |
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那我直接列一個數據就是說你看一下整個這幾年來工程類的缺額從1400、1700到114年變2000土木工程的缺額從700到966到今年是1111人那報考的人數逐年減少 |
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那表示說現在普遍的工程人員認為說第一個民間的薪資遠大於在公務機關第二個在公務機關勒畢竟他要擔負的可能就是土地罪然後或者是一些刑責讓他核銷上這工程人員都會有所顧忌所以他認為說平白白是這樣我到民間去可能會比較好的一個選項那造成很多政府的公共工程基本上要發包的問題更何況後續的執行 |
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那這樣的一個現象 我想請教副主委 到底工程會有沒有正視這樣的狀況嗎謝謝委員的提問 工程會一直跟考試院還有行政人事總處有意識到這個問題 所以我們有經過還蠻密集的一些研商 |
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那目前這個情況特別嚴重的是在比較偏遠的地區或者是這個行政層級越低的它越攔那我們也有去有你們有注意到行政層級低嘛對不對行政層級越低的尤其是在公所端公所端建設課沒半人這個人就沒了 |
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所以目前我們當然第一個當然是有有這個留任獎金的一個這個留任獎金那另外特別針對偏遠 |
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或是比較鄉鎮級的我們是逐步要透過跟大學有關土木工程系的部分來合作譬如說我們會首先在花蓮地區跟國立藍大學在那邊設置開設專業的班就是讓一些譬如說有志將來要從事 |
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這是政府的工作或者現在已經是月聘雇人員那麼給他一些工程方面的專業還有以及採購的證照讓他經過一定的學分以後他取得了專業的證照以後那麼 |
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就可以進入到公部門比較合適的位置來擔任目前是應該在我們100今年度的預算我們有編列那我們也希望大院可以支持那我們就可以循這個模式 |
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副主委那我聽到這個重點就是說你們會跟大學端來合作啦那需求機關有可能是公所有可能是地方政府有可能是中央政府的各機關他可能會需求機關嘛對不對那到底誰要來跟這個大學來做對接 |
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是由工程會來統一來主導然後由你們來分配還是自己需求機關自己來跟大學對接他去找他要的人才我想要聽一下原則上我們當然不排斥那個個別機關去找嘛但我想個別機關去找大學恐怕有一點困難所以目前是由工程會出面來整合那我們可不可以探求這個機關的需求嘛 |
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那我們出面來跟大學 那機關是報需求給你們喔我們會去調查 沒錯 你們會來調查那嘉義應該也會調查吧 我們嘉義我們就是因為是事辦的性質啦 事辦這樣為什麼我們嘉義為什麼不事辦我們這次丹納斯颱風真的很慘欸 我們好幾個公所齁 |
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因為他的工程太多了 你看那個汙損啊然後汙損的認定啦 很多災損然後又要辦那些小型工程啊例如那個爐啊 行道樹啦 電火條啦 要刷啦這都工程的發包耶 沒人做耶 |
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所以這個當然就是說人才是一件事情另外在採購之外部主委我建議工程會把這一次丹納斯颱風的受災區作為優先事項的地方如果你們有一個多元禁用的一個方案對不對 |
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那這樣的方案我們現在確實我們需要這樣的一個人才那又卡到了我事實上我對考試院這一次在核定的這一次植物劣等的一個核定我是看到很不開心為什麼植物劣等他們說好我們會針對二級機關以上然後把植物劣等提高就是說可能在我們縣政府縣的層級他當到科長有可能會讓他到九職等 |
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當然待遇的提升可能會讓這一些工程人才願意留在機關這是好事但是偏偏這樣他又排斥了三級機關排斥了三級機關代表什麼代表說我工廠有一個人訓練會好 |
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他可能 我就好啊 我要跑去鮑威 我要跑來中庸我跑去管政府 或是我如果嫁他 我就跑去台南那裡的公所因為北北窟公所 他們的列當就比我還高北北的公所 他們叫區公所我們叫做鄉鎮市公所 我們的資料列的比較低所以我覺得整個中央的思考一個模式都是清六都 縱六都 |
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都落土比較好啊我們這廢料住的就讓我們趴著很多人走沒得讓我們重視 |
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這些問題當時我們有收集到各地方政府的意見我們有回饋給考試院啦那考試院當然他有整體人事文官制度的一些發表當然啦 因為你們沒辦法代表考試院嘛所以這意見我們也是特惠你跟考試院說然後我也會去跟考試院再發飆一下因為他這樣的一個決定下去你知道對我們是雪上加霜欸我們人就已經要潘老啊 |
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結果他這個植物業等你下去我們公署的人一定又跑掉了啊我們有感受到這個困境所以工程會也希望能夠積極的協助來處理這個問題那委員的意見我們會帶回去積極來處理好 那第二個啦事實上我知道最近政府採購法 |
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有在推針對這個三家以上合格的廠商投標那這件事有可能會透過修法來做一個調整那這個修法的調整事實上原因主要也是希望推動整個公務機關在辦理工程的一個效率在辦理效率當然剛才第一人的問題我剛才已經說了第二制度面的問題但是這樣的一個制度為了效率但是可能你們要去思考就是說 |
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那未來工程的品質是否妥當這件事 我覺得這一定要注意喔有信心嗎 我們不是單純把三家才能開標拿掉原則上我們是先建立其他的配套措施 當年我想一開始政府才有辦法立這個 |
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立法的過程本來是沒有三家是因為到大院的時候大院也是考慮到會不會有其他的因為資訊當時不夠充分所以列了一個三家才能開標可是這20幾年來實施的結果這樣三家導致的管制成本太高了那而且現在已經資訊相對的 |
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比較公開那管道也比較多而且我們現在配套的修法會強制機關在大院的立法案的審議通過預算以後大概都知道要辦理什麼採購會先做一個年初的這個公告 |
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副主委我們都知道啦縱使以前規定三家那個三家一直是形式上啦因為真的想要去投標的人對他來說三家也不是什麼大問題啦還是機關拜託他找三家而已啊所以這個是形式 |
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我們當然是雖然說整個法律就是說去形式化讓實質上的效果是最重要那實質的效果的監督就是要靠你們你要幹得好 工廠的品質要出來雖然說好 可能修掉三家後以後變成單家投標 單家得標 |
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但是這一家廠商是否他的品質是夠的他做出來的工程 工夫夠不夠這就是要看你們的監督的能力到底是夠不夠我們有連結到後面整個停權就會加嚴啦好 那我們也是期待啦當然這樣一個修法我們基本上大方向我們是支持的啦好 謝謝 |