| IVOD_ID |
165595 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165595 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:50:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T11:05:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d14fd7b1fe6c0f664b63294d83d43b212b45c75d439e1a44ecdff46f77a105961a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:50:57 - 11:05:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍心理衛生制度實施後之影響探討、心理求助樣態原因分析及策進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩部長請郭部長部長早在我今天一個比較大的題目之前有一個個案我想讓國防部知道我們今天當然談的是軍人的心腹 |
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是讓每一個每一位我們國軍的弟兄姊妹都是國家重要的資產我相信我們以前在部隊不管當排長當聯營長都有一句話說要把自己的弟兄照顧好我昨天在地方服務的時候突然有一個年輕人30來歲啊跛著腳然後眼歪嘴斜的走進我的辦公室那他還講不好意思我走路比較慢等我一下他慢慢走進我辦公室 |
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然後坐下來之後他把資料給我看他曾經是我們高雄燕巢工兵訓練中心上尉姓劉我資料待會給陸軍他在民國109年3月4號在聯集合場在出勤務的時候當場腦出血 暈穴然後我們講的中風了就送到醫院去了然後一直治療到 |
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2025年今年7月30日那整個人就是肢體啦顏面各方面你可以想像一個30來歲的年輕人人生會過得很辛苦這個是我們的國軍袍責就好像發現一件事情沒有幫他申請軍保理賠我還問他說你軍保理賠這樣損失多少350萬啊 |
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他未來人生要40年50年都要面對這個狀態一個人他就一個人然後問了負責我們軍保的那個保險公司說不好意思你超過兩年沒有申請你的權利喪失了然後呢部隊裡面的負責團體軍人這個團體意外保險理賠的負責的同仁那個人事官還怪他說你第一時間為什麼沒有提出申請他第一時間昏迷啊 |
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他這筆錢沒辦法申請求助無門所以跑了蠻遠的路到我那邊這件事情我希望他算是一個個案可能也代表一個現象那個參謀長這邊有沒有什麼解決的方法包委員我簡單向您報告謝謝委員的關切這個案子我也針對這個案子召集了法務你知道這個案子嗎 |
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召開了一個專案的了解那我簡單的報告他109年的您所謂的這個身體中風這個狀況那事實上他已經符合了所謂他已經勤領了這個身心一等殘的一個資格那因為他是符合終身撫恤那每年都有他撫恤這塊我們軍方有辦他是屬於一等殘坦白講 |
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這麼年輕的弟兄領一等殘是一個我們當然不希望看到的事情我現在講的是軍保這一塊軍保這一塊因為礙於現行的規定他的確他如果要用現在他因為在11月1號已經辦退伍了 |
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那他如果要追溯就是說拿出最新的證明可是他可能會影響到他的這個終身一等殘的判定所以我簡單的講終身一等殘的判定領取終身撫恤跟這個團體保險他在現在這個狀況下他只能選擇對他權益最大的這個事情我不曉得部長是法律專家我們會持續的我們不管是國軍花錢或者我個人花錢我投保了 |
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跟我在職業 職場上的職災這兩個不能二則一啊 拜託報告委員 我們會再來聯繫這個劉尚銳我花保險就是在現有撫恤體制上能夠加值叫保險嘛保險是花錢買的耶我到了幾等殘 根據殘等你該賠我就賠我現在我們的軍保 其實有很大的問題啊我改天要專題討論這個我們就變成是這樣子你要國家幫你處理了 |
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我就不賠了 那這麼好賺喔我們下去再找這位劉先生就是我們的劉尚偉跟他做人塔再向您報告這是一個概念我們的撫恤是我們軍人的權益是政府作為雇主要負擔的責任保險是我付費買的我希望一輩子不要用到當我出事了 國家照顧我但是我買的保險也該賠我啊 |
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怎麼能說 你撫恤 這個屬於一等殘終生月撫恤可以領所以你這個要二則一我現在在場所有的將領我們都不希望看到這個事情我們自己跟親人都不想看到這個事情怎麼會發生之後保險不賠那是保險公司我保你何用啊因為撫恤比較高啊誰會去選保險 |
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之前還發生一個事情我在義務役授訓跳那個500障礙跳的時候腳受傷了自己到民間這個參謀長知道嗎到民間就醫那因為那役其實四個月的退伍了不賠不賠 |
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家人怪罪國軍 其實他是有保險的啊軍保說沒有 他退伍之後自己到民間醫院就醫 我不賠我們的軍人保險 坦白講對軍人到底是一個保障還是當冤大頭 每年扣那麼多錢給這個公司這個我要希望部長把這個題目這個個案去研究一下 怎麼會撫恤比較優渥所以你的保險二則一那這保險要幹嘛呢 |
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你懂我意思嗎 部長對這事情能不能請部長透過這個個案了解一下因為這牽涉到我們的我們幾十萬的國軍弟兄姊妹的權益我想對這個問題我需要下去了解一下因為相關的這個保險的理賠條件跟這個相關的這些撫恤的關聯性我想我必須要再進一步了解三件事情第一個軍保的理賠的要件 |
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你不能脫離社會 不能對軍人這麼嚴苛第二件事情 我們的人事官面對弟兄會申請這個大概就受重傷了要主動幫他辦 而不是說你又沒有提出申請兩年申請期過了不能幫你辦 這不對 |
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因為他在部隊發生事情才會適用這個所以發生事情該做的撫恤我們記得幫他辦撫恤卻忘了幫他求償幫他申請理賠這是第二件事情第三個事情對於這樣的國軍弟兄他求救無門我們國軍要有門讓他來尋求協助這三件事情是不是請部長跟我們各軍總可以注意一下我現在請教另外一個事情是有關國防大學的心格我這邊有 |
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我剛才看了一下國防大學的使命願景還有宗旨那個國防大學你們其實我不知道是蠻懶惰的還是作業疏忽你們發現你們社校宗旨跟另外一頁的學校的使命一個字都沒變都一模一樣所以你們的宗旨跟使命很好完全符合當然就不用寫兩次 |
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你們社校宗旨跟使命是培育武德武藝兼備之建軍備戰領導及專業人才建立國防事務決策及研究機制與能量這是國防大學的宗旨跟辦學的使命 |
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然後你們願景是建構哲學科學兵學一體全人教育環境這個runway of education這個是我們一般的文學校也是這個全人教育環境那確立軍事學門領域地位 謹慎世界一流軍事學府我當然不是要挑戰你們辦學品質什麼的我現在要講的是我們學校的設計在國防院校國防大學軍事專業素養重要 |
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軍人的武德軍人的專業素養重要但是學術其實應該並重這兩個都一樣重要那這兩個一樣重要呢在軍人的這個天性是服從跟紀律長官的命令就是服從跟紀律但在學術領域叫做開放跟學習開放的心態接受不同的學門不同的心知然後樂於學習這兩個看起來是有點矛盾 |
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但在國防院校裡面如何把它融合西點軍校啦 Virginia啦我們國防大學我們都希望是這樣子所以在學校的校務的部分其實應該有一些設計也就是我們目前國防大學所有的所有從校長 學務長 教務長一直到各院長都是兵科為主 |
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我不是說兵科不好 他有軍事的算頁素養可是我沒有管理學院 我沒有統計的概念的 我當院長我沒有教育背景的 我沒有學術背景的我讓學校的一級主管 校長 副校長全部都是有軍事背景 卻沒有學術背景 |
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那這個就有點失衡光教評會啦各方面可能就有一些處理上他會變成是以服從跟紀律為主開放跟學習變成不只是為府可能就變裝飾品那我還是要強調一次軍事的專業素養軍事的體質是很重要的不能偏廢所以我們可以參考其他國家 |
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美國的國防大學他有一個provostprovost是教務長教務長也是vice president就是他們學校的學務的副校長叫做學術領域的副校長這一個他們任命的是以文職任用但要求要有教育戰略研究背景 |
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日本的防衛大學他叫防衛大學校他有一個教育研究的副校長他特別在軍職之外設計了一套學術領域在學校輔助補強學術的部分他教育研究的副校長呢負責的教育品質研究學術倫理計畫審查那協助校長進行教務決策 |
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韓國的KDU韓國國防大學他有教務副校長他也是文職具博士學位特別側重跟教育部門的聯繫要密切英國的這一個防衛大學防衛學院他有一個學術方面的 |
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有軍文協同有文職來擔任協助軍文協同的制度所以是他山之石可以借鏡啦所以根據我們國防大學的軍事教育條例第八條第一項我們現在條文是軍事學校社校長一人然後呢副校長教務長政戰主任相助校長等等這是目前的我不知道這個國防大學或者我們部長願不願意去推動因為這不難 |
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我們不偏廢我沒有要把軍職的拿走我們應該可以增設一個文職的副校長讓文職的副校長他在有學術背景有教育背景有戰略背景來相助學校在學校的部分然後我們國防大學組織歸程的第七條裡面也有類似的部分所以我就這個題目最後我請教我們的部長跟我們國防大學這一個心格的推動你的意見是什麼 |
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我想委員的指教我會來全面的來檢討整個國防大學的組織架構那因為他有涉及到條例要修法也有可能涉及到組織規程的修改那相關的這些文子的這些副校長的設置的可能可行性還有各學院他是不是要多有這個文子的人員 |
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來參與 這個我想都可以來不只是研究像我之前推動國防醫學院的校務基金因為那個一研究十來年都沒動那時候在邱國正那邊設置了設置的時候對國防醫學院其實有很大幫助這事情我覺得應該把它當作一個命題 |
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那我剛才講的各學院用軍人我覺得OK 軍人當院長那軍人當院長的話其實我們有兵科專長比如說國管院是不是有國管院專長的因為將來的將領我要用兵我這個兵夠不夠專業我用的這個軍官夠不夠專業 |
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他是來自於這邊訓練出來的 財主 主計各方面他有這方面的專業來相助我們的將領做決策 才會相輔相成嘛所以在國防大學 我們國防人才的培育軍事領域 學術領域側重我們的終止願景 我一開始就念了所以我是建議部長跟國防大學去思考在副校長的部分 可以增設一個學術副校長 |
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然後呢在我們的一級主管裡面有關教務的部分也許可以軍文通或者是以文職為主那學院的部分呢尊重軍人背景但是要側重專長這是我個人的潛見至於條例的修法或者學校這個 |
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組織規程內規的修訂修法的部分我已經連署在提出也就是說這是一個中性的針對國防大學的心格它不是政治議題而是說我們的國防大學目前有沒有可以做得更好的部分現狀不錯我可以讓它更進步這個部長能不能給個時間你們的研究多久可以有個方向出來我想委員我有看到提案是說兩個月以內 |
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我尊重你認為適合的研討時間但我不希望這個議題一直拖下去我想是不是就三個月還是三個月吧OK 三個月我可以接受我可以接受我們就要把這個命題研究出來然後我們來推動把這個東西修改然後讓國防大學我是希望它更好對 因為我覺得不是單純副校長的問題剛剛提到的這些我想應該要全面的來檢視好 謝謝部長 謝謝各位 |