| IVOD_ID |
165584 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165584 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:35:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:45:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d1250e498eb635efe956e0913f8e9ddf6f9ed37f72173c5d095676bdfe407d455b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭正鈐 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:28 - 10:45:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣中油股份有限公司董事長及行政院公共工程委員會首長就「中油三接案第二期遭檢舉浮報工程款項爭議」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請鄭政權委員請坐診堂謝謝主席想請一下經濟部工部長還有中油董事長 方董事長好 請三位 謝謝兩位 方董事長這位好部長好 |
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謝謝主席今天特別安排的中油三接案第二期招檢舉福報工程款項的爭議的部分剛剛那個張偉這邊一直在問總經理到底是誰我記得方董事長之前在司法法制委員會曾經有提過這個總經理不是你應該是你前任的總經理針對這個部分可不可以請董事長做一個說明因為你剛剛一直閃避也不願意講總經理 |
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到底是誰 可是這個法制其實你有明確講到 可不可以請董事長做個說明我當時回應就是說 這個錄音檔週刊所報導這個文字呢講的總經理並沒有講是哪一家公司的總經理 這第一點那麼第二點就是說 就以我個人來講 在當時那個階段呢我並不是擔任總經理的職務 是擔任副總經理的職務 |
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所以你講的是前總經理嗎其實我在想說前總經理的名字是誰啊我沒有講這個裡面說你講那時間的比對出來啊就說那總經理當時是副總嗎當時總經理不是你啊所以當時總經理是誰當時總經理是前董事長李順心李順心喔OK好那我想說因為今天我們在講說中油三接相關的問題啦其實對我們來說的時候 |
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福報空城管這東西很重要可是對整個國人來講的時候怎麼樣子讓台灣的能源安全更重要那中央會要降低輸氣跟移運的風險提升儲槽的一個容量並穩定供應國內的一個天然氣從一階一直規劃到了七階經濟部長這沒問題吧 |
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一階到七階嘛 我整理得很清楚那我們整個擴增儲存的容量大概總而要到多少 部長你知道嗎我只知道要儲存多少天 安全存量安全存量多少天現在是11天嘛 那將來會到14天什麼時候到14天116年116年要到14天這個地方我簡單來做一個更 |
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完整的一個說明 其實我們目前從一階到七階這邊的時候整個LNG那個儲槽的總容量最多可以到達889萬公柄整個量到889萬公柄到目前為止大概只有165萬公柄目前的儲量就是增建跟新增的部分大概只有165萬公柄針對這個部分那個剛剛部長直接講說儲量現在是11天 |
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不過因為之前 審計部之前有曾經提到目前的儲量可能不到11天只有10.6天這8月份的時候 就審計部特別提出來的一個數字如果不到11天就是違法的一個狀態所以針對這個部分的時候呢針對這個部分我們經濟部 中油這邊要怎麼樣去符合我們天然氣法的要求 |
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以目前這樣進度一直裹足不前然後很多的案件我們從一階到七階目前在走的時候呢只有一階跟二階就現有然後新增的部分我想請教一下兩個問題新增的部分目前有哪幾個地方已經新建完成 |
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新增的部分現在其中在是在永安台中以及周濟高雄周濟這三個地方的接收站這現有的啦我說新增的部分新增就在周濟高雄周濟所謂的七街七街完成了嗎建造中建造中很多 |
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董事長你把我這整個東西去整個看一下如果說我們這邊有些進度有一些沒有非常跟上的時候你給我們一些指導我目前看起來的時候我說已經興建中的 |
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這些都在檯面上面 程度不一樣那我說已經興建完成的 有哪幾個地方已經興建完成的有啊 在第一階就是永安嘛二階台中 但是本來現有的啦我說興建 新增的部分 我這邏輯很清楚嘛現有的是現有的 不然現在天然氣不可能發電啦新增的部分 從一階到七階當中的時候看起來只有三階的部分 三階兩座出差了 |
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兩做OK了嘛 對不對那什麼時候可以投入運營 |
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已經運營了已經正式在運營了是不是所以新增的部分就這兩座投入運營那我這邊想問一下部分就是說按照現在這情況我們目前只有165萬公秉在增加新增的兩個部分的時候我們目前占到我們889萬公秉整個量大概是百分之多少 |
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我是不曉得這個數字是從哪裡來的而且是包含哪些內容但是我相信這裡面有包含了四街的除潮在裡面一街到七街全部都算起來了因為四街是屬於台電的所以我沒辦法去回答直接現在就回答你這個問題 |
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那針對這個部分因為我們關心的狀態是整個的一個擴建計畫的一個進度那現在又碰到了這個三接這個第二期招標這個部分碰到一個疑雲的狀態的時候疑似彼岸的狀態的時候 |
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我們認為他可能會被拖到所以針對這樣的情況我們關心的是整個擴建的計畫跟進度那我想就中油這邊可以掌控的部分整理完之後之後到本辦公室給我們很清楚的一個資料好不好好 |
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那我想說針對整個經濟部下下這個中油這樣子的一個標案的疑雲我這邊要特別提到一個部分就針對台電這個部分也有一個類似的一個情況就是合一合二廠的盒子燃料室室內乾式儲存設備這個部分部長知道這個案子嗎我知道 |
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215億的那個高額的一個採購案那因為開的是國際標所以兩個廠商兩個廠商都是美國的廠商那目前有一家廠商他們覺得受到不公平的一個對待對台電對台灣來說都是影響到國際的一個形象的一個部分那針對這個部分的時候部長有沒有去了解台電這裡面情況到底是怎麼一回事為什麼會讓國際的廠商 |
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認為他們受到不公平的對待而且提出申訴我是不是請台電說明一下可以跟委員報告因為廠商提出的疑慮台電目前都還在釐清中那剛才有提到說有美國籍的那個中國籍的部分我們有檢視過那個人確實是中國出生但是他已經放棄中國籍什麼時候放棄中國籍這個我們還要再查但他現在確定的是只有一個美國籍而已 |
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所以你們不知道他什麼時候放棄中國籍委員要的更細的可能要回去再提供給委員因為美國的廠商就是檢舉得非常非常的具體因為他說他取得 |
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美國籍的時間跟他擔任這個專案的時間有明顯的一個落差在他當專案的時候已經多次用大陸籍的身份到台灣來而且可能進到我們核能相關的一個設備核能設備就跟國安問題有關如果是這樣的情況完全踩到了目前陸委會設定下來的兩岸關係的紅線 |
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所以針對這個部分我們需要很清楚的知道您其實提到說他是美國籍他什麼時候取得美國籍他什麼時候放棄中國籍他過去幾次來台做公務的工作的時候是不是用觀光簽證進來還是如何這個部分是不是都會一起給我們一個交代 |
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還是跟委員報告我們會提供那針對涉及國安的關鍵基礎措施台電還是一樣會遵守相關的規定只要是中國企業我們是不同意他所以這個部分非常非常的具體那我們希望既然是採國際標就希望能夠讓所有的國際的廠商都覺得台灣是一個公平 |
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公開去合理招標的一個情況而不會有獨厚特定廠商的一個問題那我想說針對這個部分我們希望部長對於中油跟台電的部分這兩大就是以往被我們國人都認為是優質的一個國營企業可是現在不斷的涉及到一些疑似弊案的問題我們希望部長這邊能夠對中油跟台電的部分 |
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嚴加監督管理然後也給本辦公室很清楚的一個後續相關的資料好不好謝謝 |