| IVOD_ID |
165583 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165583 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:23:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:36:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d171ea6f3a3b1d7cb10799e8a58cec5c3e9ed37f72173c5d090ecafa458f489ced5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:33 - 10:36:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員葉元之等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第六十條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員王育敏等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員蘇清泉等18人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員廖先翔等22人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「家庭暴力防治法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「家庭暴力防治法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
【第八案如經復議，則不予審查】） |
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謝主席 有請石部長 中廷長請石部長還有張司長 張司長 |
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好 三位早這個家暴受害者的心聲就是恕神恕絕我在這邊就8月6號有跟在衛福部也跟世華醫院應該我們這個法務部也都有討論過目前保護令這個發起的時間 |
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是不是可以盡速的去縮短但是根據保護師的資料普通保護令平均是50天暫時保護令是平均23天緊急保護令能當天發出但是當事人不能申請必須第三者就檢察官 警察機關或縣市主管機關 |
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但這個現代婦女經紀委特別指出台北第一院這個一年的新收不包含在案的案件113年就有一萬四千多件平均下來一名法官可能就被分配到一千多個案件嘛這坦白講這是很辛苦一件事情那我當時就特別指出說這個被害者開始申請保護令的時間其實是政治最危險的那個時段 |
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因為這個罪最高度會激怒加害者的時間就是在這個點當時大家也都有認同這個都是不用再贅述的部分但是我為什麼還是在提醒那個時候就是說 |
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這個時間保護令要等最多還有五十多天以上的平均暫時保護令二十幾天緊急保護令當天能夠發出就好像只有可以救到緊急保護令的對象而已的受害者這是很奇怪一件事情嘛那8月6號討論完了之後希望可以加快但是坦白說各位可以回答我說有加快了嗎 |
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哪一個階段的 普通保護令加快幾天暫時保護令加快幾天 有人可以打呼我嗎如果沒有 來 我再給各位看一些時間我是認定是一個 這是一個關鍵的事情啦關鍵的問題所在 這個問題如果不解決GPS再裝幾個 似乎好像沒有辦法解決這些問題 |
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不然你們現在可以馬上打呼我嗎就是說縮短了嗎平均是縮短幾天在這個階段縮短幾天在這個階段縮短幾天8月6號講的到現在已經將近三個月時間三個月的作業時間沒辦法讓我們不管普通保護令 暫時保護令 |
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都可以因為相關的事件 以而在災難上的發生然後督促我們政府相關機關可以大家可以坐下來好好去檢討 去應變把這個保護令的發起時間去縮短如果三個月過後都沒有 顯然 |
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坦白講 我覺得這些事情還是會層出不窮地在持續發生而不是裝了多少個GPS可以去導正 可以去改善可以去降低這樣的傷害這是第一件事情那第二件事情你看我們面對這麼大量的這個案件的數量過老的地方法院的法官要如何有效地去減輕壓力強化保護令流程 縮短時間我想這個是一定是衛福部跟司法院你們必須去共同面對的課題 |
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而不是維持現狀讓法官面對家暴的暗海詐騙的暗海看不到盡頭而家暴受害者也可能也只能在這個恐懼中一直要等到這麼多天家暴令才可以下來那如果今天你們沒辦法打呼我是不是一個月內啦 |
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我們再給一個月的時間 衛護部 司法院 防護部是不是大家可以好好坐下來討論出一個如何縮短保護令花期的時間然後給衛防委員會可以吧 |
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跟委員說明確實以現在的案量來講這個法官的那個負荷很重所以我們之前考論的這個結論是去強化那個風險的辨識把那個高風險的個案先挑出來不然全部要一下子全部縮短是 |
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難度很高啦因為他的負荷太重案子太多了所以我們在強化前端那個高風險個案能夠先高度先先把那個最高風險的抓出來然後去強化是不是暫時保護令或緊急保護令來說短 |
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大概是這樣的概念去那次也有討論到這樣但是所謂的我們在一個時間的點譬如說一季裡面還是半年裡面你到底這樣的一個多少比例叫做高風險然後這個高風險你到底縮短不管暫時的保護令還是普通保護令到底縮短幾天有數據可以給我們做參考嗎如果有最好嘛 好不好 好 謝謝 |
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我們把數據整理一下好 謝謝部長好那另外一個我也給部長還有各位長官看幾個案件啦齁這個都是相關的一些報導那第一個案件加班長嗆家裡有保護令也沒有用也沒有用這個加錢再起訴疑神裁決這個續押齁這個案件齁 大致上是這樣 |
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這個家人是在與家人產生嫌隙口角9月6號持棒棍到齊妹的家園市市場的攤位搗毀冰箱等等等然後被警方逮捕移送並緊急申請保護令禁止男子靠齊妹攤位至少100公尺這個男子也被撕毀 |
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但是又馬上到其妹的攤位那對家人說有保利有沒有用他還是被放出來9月9號隔三天而已他以探望母親為藉口連續兩次前往攤位的樓上住家然後在第二次探望離開時因為其妹不在攤位嘛並要求其妹員工轉達所前需求當場召聚然後他又涉嫌出院恐嚇要叫人做掉他們的員工等等等那當天警方據報逮捕這個 |
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這個家人 移送羈押10月20號 嘉義地方法院認為攔指有繼續這個羈押的 羈押的必要就裁定羈押 羈押三個月好 這是一個案子嘛 你看喔這個案子來講 有保護令有沒有用他還是被放出來了所以 在羈押三個月之後你們覺得這樣就導正了嗎 他就向善了嗎他就不會再去講說 有保護令有什麼用嗎也不可能啦 |
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坦白講不可能 我講這個案例 你再看第二個案例金門家暴人女犯不怕被關再度這個瘋狂揮踢踹母召雞鴨這是去年的事情他去年發生被判決有期住院確定並執行完畢今年9月17 又再來一次 |
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好 然後第二個案子加霸龍入獄關三個月出獄一天後又衝往其妻的住處違反保護令 備受威壓 |
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連續這兩個案件 三個案件我要讓稍微長官看一個數據嘛請大家看這個表格這是110年到113 這四年就好了節節上升的申請保護令的這樣的一個相關的一些統計人數是逐年攀升委員保護令幾乎都是居易也就是說一日以上未滿60日 |
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佔了這四年的77.26%然後六個月以下是18.71%剩下的是六個月以上到三年以下的這個區間有近四年全部僅43人剩下的六個月以上到三年以下的這四年裡面僅43人 佔不到1% 0.51然後尤其三年以下的這四年只有兩個人 |
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只有兩個人 這個數據應該你們都有統計應該也會有這個數據嘛我要凸顯這個問題是說GPS很重要 但是你看到這些數據之後他們還是持續的微軟保護鏈的代價好像是很低啊 太低了 對不對一天到G59天的 是佔了高達七成八左右 |
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七成八左右 那一年以下剛剛特別已經講 我就不再贅述甚至這些好像是屢試不爽沒你怕啦 沒你多嚴重啦假假拘役啦 假假一年下嘛 假假兩年下就對了而且到最後的比例三年以下 四年才有兩個人而已所以他不怕啦 不怕你怎麼處理你們要怎麼處理 你們問簡單答案喔 |
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也就是說家暴法的第61條顯然要嚇阻家暴的力道已經為不足道了啦數據會顯示嘛 昨年攀升比例 局域的比例就這樣了要不要看一下 要不要回應我一下要不要朝向這個部分來做修法 |
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一件事保護你於無誤吧所以你就不要客氣啊你不就應該將對法律的本質去做看怎樣大幅度去做調整還是不能調 不能調就是主點就持續攀升然後那個拘役的1到59天的比例就是這麼高不該啊 |
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接待召委排這個是非常重要但是如果你看到這些數據然後加報61條裡面又不去做修正你的本質永遠都不會改變嘛跟委員說明今天的有委員的版本也會有針對違反保護令罪去提高他的刑責那也許可以來討論看看提高有用嗎 |
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然後判的法官是怎麼處理是這樣子你們怎麼遇到這個問題好像都沒辦法答我然後你看看我看看 大家互相看看 |
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行事廳的黃法官來做這個法官裁決裁判的那請說明主席站上來了 快點好 是 謝謝委員那其實關於違反家暴法的部分的話因為現在目前為止違反保護另一罪是屬於比較輕罪的部分那就誠如委員這邊所講的目前大部分的那個刑度都是落在德意科法監的情況 |
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那只有比較特殊個案的情況下才會判得比較重那這邊我們都是尊重個案法官的裁處啦那以上是簡短的對嘛 就是尊重個案法官的裁處沒有錯啊 加重沒有用啊法官就是要輕判啊邏輯上就是這樣嘛現狀就這樣嘛這個樣態就是這個樣子嘛 |
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693.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以你跟聽長整個GPS也不好啊是 報告委員我剛剛在前一位委員我有報告我們陸續由我們聽長親自跟所有一線在裁判的刑事庭法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
694.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
700.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我們的刑事廳長跟我配合一起跟他們做這個所謂的演習跟相關的意見溝通讓民意跟委員表達的意見讓他們充分的更去審酌這個保護被害人的必要性跟刑責的相當性當然這個沒有拘束但是這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
715.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
743.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
也就所謂的研習會或者這樣的促進會有相當的影響我們剛剛委員有講我們在今年今年的戰保令已經就是以前要二十幾天現在已經加速了兩天多這個當然不足不足以向你們報告但我們還是繼續有很多的方案來促進謝謝好啦 你說聽起來說不足以報告你自己講的也是也心虛虛嘛對不對那你還是報告了嘛這兩天多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
744.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
770.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以是這樣啦 我覺得我們面對問題就是要解決問題 大家都會講嘛那我們是不是可以真的加快嘛然後你們是不是可以趕快做下來到底這事情怎麼去做因應嘛然後加保61條的這一個部分是不是要要有所積極的因應琢磨去做修正嘛我是不是請部長 請相關主管能不能做下來兩個星期內研議啦這個加快速度啦 可不可以 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
771.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
788.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
兩個星期啦 別再拖啦8月6號講到現在了這兩件事情 保護令的縮短還有這一個行者的部分可以吧好 謝謝 好 已經答應了好不好 謝謝好好 謝謝有見國委員發言 |