| IVOD_ID |
165581 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165581 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,19,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:28:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:36:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d13c0073b3cf818d977119a7747a4c5c6c9ed37f72173c5d0910110eaefe7530705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:21 - 10:36:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：11月18日（二）下午3時】
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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主席 在場委員先進列席的政府經濟上的官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請行政院陳主席長財政部莊部長以及經濟部的賴次長經濟部賴次長 請委員好主席長好部長好 還有我們次長好 |
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來主席來主席長我們明年度的預算規模支出是超過三兆是好請問財政部長那我們的稅率是不是兩兆2.8兆是的那身為我們國家的財政大臣你覺得這樣的要求有這樣的稅率會不會有點吃力這樣的稅率其實因為明年的稅率會減少主要因為在我只問你簡單回答就好好那 |
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你們知道嗎 目前我們預算當中我請教次長 賴次長你覺得我們經濟建設的預算較多還是這三張預算佔最大數的是什麼明年的總預算最大宗的正式別水利 社福 還是什麼沒辦法回答 來 |
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對國防支出好我們來看一下國防支出國防支出將近9500億足足比去年多了比前一年度多了1000塊800億將近逼近我們GDP的3.32那你覺得國人支持嗎主席長我們的民意調查一半的國人支持這裡面大部分的國防預算在過去的年度當中從2000年以來有四位總統這四位總統 |
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當中我們看到有編國防預算特別預算的有誰 陳水扁總統當時編了六千億但是沒有被國會接受蔡英文總統任內編了快五千億通過了 是不是這樣子是 |
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可見過去從兩千年以來這四位總統陳總統重視國防蔡總統重視國防國會有支持那接下來我們的特別預算是編什麼我們來看一下我們來猜猜看來請教蔡次長你覺得過去的幾任總統對哪個部門比較重視救災還是振興經濟還是國防 |
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台灣因為地理位置的關係所以我們需要水利的建設很好 我們來看一下 |
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李登輝總統的時候遇到921特別預算800億陳水扁總統我們有三個治水預算對不對 賴市長其中呢 防疫紓困也佔了500億也是遇到了天災或一些事情振興經濟花了5000億馬英九總統裡面都在做振興建設 災後重建還保留了兩項治水預算 是不是所以治水過去是我們的主軸 再往下看 |
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來 我們看蔡英文總統之後結果遇到COVID-19有防疫紓困就佔了一半 快一半國防開始出現了振興經濟也加了三分之一兩兆六千億主席長我們的特別預算從李登輝總統的八百億到陳水扁總統的七千多億到了馬英九總統的八千多億一下到蔡總統變成了兩兆六 |
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您覺得特別預算對我國家的一個財政有沒有產生一個很大的一個部門還是很大的壓力我們怎麼有辦法編出這麼多的特別預算 |
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將近我們明年的稅數的規模了嘛 是不是這樣蔡總統半年任內我們的稅數規模也不到三兆嘛 對不對可是八年的特別預算就將近是一年的總預算所以可以說啊 蔡總統做了八年的總統用了九年的預算規模 可不可以這樣講 |
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好 那國家財政 莊部長那國家財政能夠支持嗎為什麼那時候蔡總統做八年的總統可以用到九年的年度總預算規模有幾項特別預算非常重要像前瞻基礎建設計畫因為這樣為什麼我們那個財政能力帶動經濟成長 稅收成長所以我們有多餘的錢就去還債所以整個財政運氣很好那你覺得未來我們還有蔡總統這八年的黃金時光可以再去支撐同樣規模的特別預算嗎 |
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所以說 我們來看一下賴總統不到兩年我們就用了七千億的特別預算了大家來想想看接下來我們還有哪些錢要花 往下看 |
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有治水有防疫有災害重建有紓困振興有建設發展還有國防還有關稅衝擊還有哪些國家的重大問題需要特別預算還是公務預算就可以支應是要中央調度還是要地方支出主席長你認為呢要用特別預算公務預算還是中央來調度還是地方支出未來這些事情有沒有可能地方來出錢不可能對往下看這些事情不可能地方來出錢但是我們來看一下 |
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憲法規定第十章到第十三章社會福利是地方的一半事項目前我國的社會保險誰在出錢我們來看一下李登輝總統時候的公保虧損七百多億他手上就要撥補完成接著我們各後來的總統總共撥了四千三百六十億加起來最後加上未來的七百億會高達五千八百億這些錢是地方出還是中央出 |
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目前是誰出 主席長這是誰在出這些錢是誰 撥補的錢是誰出的中央的預算還是地方預算中央出的好我們來看來 現在我們有就職的公教退休有公務人員退府 有勞保 國保跟農保這些除了三個後面社會保險由中央政府 由政府負最終責任之外這兩個退府基金其實基本上他要設法自己去 |
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去填補對不對 |
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這20兆的潛藏負債財政有沒有辦法支應這個部分確實是基於社會安全保險起伏是未來的一個潛藏負債是的 那我現在問一下主席長那個財化法之後我們現在地方拿走那麼多錢中央有能力去負擔這20兆的潛藏負債嗎往下看這個是有困難的困難的嘛現在再修的財化法要再舉債560億5600億5600億 對有沒有超過公債法上限 |
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有沒有辦法執行政府能違法嗎所以這個部分如果沒有縮減那縮減要縮減哪些項目這就是一個問題所以啊我說我們現在在省特別預算我們特別預算恐怕財化法被二修之後中央政府再也沒有能力透過特別預算來支應我們現在這270億的天災的一個補救了 |
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所以在這裡呢 要提醒行政院裁判法 願滿的裁判法要堅持到底不然的話 未來中央的財政惡化淺藏的負債沒辦法支持未來也沒有能力用特別預算來補足天災應變的這些能力組長同意嗎是部長同意嗎沒有錯好 謝謝好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |